| 00:00.22 | luke-jr | what's the best firmware if I want to just do calls over SIP? |
| 00:01.47 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: same error on retry :/ |
| 00:01.57 | luke-jr | both images are 258076672 bytes |
| 00:02.09 | undrwater | who's got a sip client? |
| 00:02.20 | undrwater | pretty sure there's sipphone on shr |
| 00:03.00 | undrwater | hmm..not by default |
| 00:03.13 | luke-jr | not merely a client, I want it native |
| 00:03.24 | luke-jr | as in able to replace the default GSM |
| 00:03.42 | undrwater | ahh...don't think ANYONE has done that :) |
| 00:03.56 | undrwater | but i've been away with android for a while |
| 00:03.56 | luke-jr | except Nokia? |
| 00:04.05 | undrwater | for openmoko i mean |
| 00:05.34 | undrwater | android allows google voice natively |
| 00:11.03 | luke-jr | undrwater: any idea how large the rootfs partition is? |
| 00:11.57 | luke-jr | undrwater: which build of Android do you use? |
| 00:12.10 | undrwater | the latest i've used that works is 1.6 |
| 00:12.23 | luke-jr | ._. |
| 00:12.25 | undrwater | there's a 2.2 that runs, but is slow |
| 00:12.27 | luke-jr | where is that? |
| 00:12.37 | undrwater | search for android on freerunner |
| 00:12.37 | luke-jr | I only see a weekly from April 2010, and 0.2.0-rc1 |
| 00:12.43 | undrwater | there's a wiki |
| 00:12.51 | undrwater | on the wiki? |
| 00:13.01 | luke-jr | the dl page |
| 00:13.09 | luke-jr | "A fully charged Openmoko Freerunner GTA02 telephone" |
| 00:13.14 | luke-jr | how do I make sure? |
| 00:13.29 | luke-jr | "Some way of connecting your SD card to your computer." -- don't have â¹ |
| 00:14.42 | luke-jr | wiki refers back to dl page |
| 00:14.49 | undrwater | yep... |
| 00:15.28 | luke-jr | which only has 2010-16 and 0.2.0-rc1 |
| 00:15.28 | undrwater | http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ |
| 00:15.50 | luke-jr | no 1.6 there either :/ |
| 00:16.07 | undrwater | 1.6 is which? |
| 00:16.17 | undrwater | i can't stand these code names |
| 00:16.35 | luke-jr | uh? |
| 00:16.36 | luke-jr | dunno |
| 00:16.47 | undrwater | i think cupcake is 1.6 |
| 00:16.48 | luke-jr | knows almost nothing about Android |
| 00:16.55 | luke-jr | which cupcake then? |
| 00:17.00 | luke-jr | or do they all usually work? |
| 00:17.19 | undrwater | nevermind donut is 1.6 |
| 00:17.44 | undrwater | i'll link the one i have |
| 00:18.42 | undrwater | http://openmoko.senfdax.de/android/ |
| 00:18.56 | undrwater | so that's 1.5 on SD |
| 00:19.14 | undrwater | don't need to flash the NAND |
| 00:20.07 | undrwater | i use uboot and created a menu entry for that on a partition of my SD |
| 00:20.14 | luke-jr | where can I find one for dfu-util? |
| 00:25.40 | undrwater | luke-jr: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/GetIt |
| 00:25.53 | undrwater | apparently no dfu-util install :) |
| 00:26.03 | undrwater | but it does an internal NAND flash |
| 00:26.32 | luke-jr | but i fail 50% of the requirements |
| 00:26.54 | luke-jr | don't know if my phone is charged, and no way to do SD from my PC |
| 00:27.34 | undrwater | do you have usb cable for moko? |
| 00:27.37 | luke-jr | yes |
| 00:27.52 | undrwater | when plugged in, do you see lit led in power switch? |
| 00:28.03 | luke-jr | no |
| 00:28.10 | luke-jr | only U-boot works |
| 00:28.25 | undrwater | if you hold power, nothing works? |
| 00:28.33 | luke-jr | I get Linux kernel errors |
| 00:28.43 | undrwater | ahh.. |
| 00:29.03 | undrwater | yeah...i'm not sure if you're charging either...but you can feasibly do this while plugged in |
| 00:29.22 | undrwater | do you have another phone that will accept microSD and mount as drive? |
| 00:29.38 | luke-jr | N900 might, but I'd have to remove my permanent one |
| 00:29.54 | undrwater | yep...that looks like a likely solution |
| 00:30.03 | luke-jr | which happens to be an important rootfs for me :P |
| 00:30.13 | undrwater | n900 should allow you to repartition too |
| 00:30.16 | luke-jr | wait no |
| 00:30.20 | luke-jr | it's only rootfs on my N810 |
| 00:30.29 | luke-jr | N900 uSD should be removable |
| 00:30.47 | undrwater | OR...flash shr to NAND using dfu-util...use shr to help you partition your SD, then put the android on it |
| 00:31.05 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 00:31.09 | luke-jr | N900 might be easier XD |
| 00:31.14 | undrwater | indeed :) |
| 00:36.40 | luke-jr | undrwater: how big is rootfs partition? |
| 00:51.41 | badcloud | ooh, N900 *drools* |
| 00:51.46 | badcloud | me want |
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| 00:59.53 | luke-jr | badcloud: it's not open |
| 01:00.18 | badcloud | luke-jr: crap |
| 01:01.20 | luke-jr | the software side *mostly* can be |
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| 01:01.43 | luke-jr | I think except for 3D now |
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| 01:05.19 | badcloud | I just gotta have a builtin hw kbd for my next phone |
| 01:05.34 | badcloud | hope they put something out there that's both open and good hw |
| 01:05.34 | luke-jr | phones are lame |
| 01:05.37 | luke-jr | N900 isn't a phone |
| 01:05.40 | badcloud | luke-jr: true true |
| 01:05.58 | luke-jr | I hope someone builds an open successor to the Zaurus clamshell line |
| 01:06.10 | luke-jr | those had great kbs |
| 01:06.21 | luke-jr | N900's is almost unusable |
| 01:06.27 | luke-jr | N810's was a little better, but still pretty bad |
| 01:07.12 | badcloud | luke-jr: looks bulky as all hell |
| 01:07.15 | luke-jr | whoever makes an open successor to the Zaurus clamshell line up to modern specs gets $800 from me to buy it :P |
| 01:07.27 | luke-jr | as long as it fits in my pocket, bulky is fine :P |
| 01:07.33 | luke-jr | don't want to waste pocket space |
| 01:08.07 | badcloud | no gsm modem in there? |
| 01:10.33 | badcloud | luke-jr: / |
| 01:10.35 | badcloud | ? |
| 01:10.38 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 01:10.45 | luke-jr | GSM/WCDMA |
| 01:11.12 | badcloud | so I'm guessing you'd use a bt headset for calls |
| 01:11.36 | badcloud | otherwise it would be like talking into a hardcover dictionary |
| 01:12.00 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 01:12.05 | luke-jr | wait, which device? |
| 01:12.08 | luke-jr | Zaurus never had a modem |
| 01:12.18 | badcloud | I was looking at Zaurus SL-C3000 |
| 01:12.35 | badcloud | but didn't say anything about any phone modem |
| 01:12.37 | luke-jr | nor builtin wifi or bluetooth |
| 01:12.49 | luke-jr | had a compactflash 802.11b |
| 01:12.51 | luke-jr | for it |
| 01:17.22 | badcloud | meh |
| 01:19.00 | luke-jr | but would definitely want GSM/WCDMA/WiMax in a new model |
| 01:19.06 | luke-jr | ideally CDMA2000 too |
| 01:19.22 | SpeedEvil | DECT |
| 01:19.23 | luke-jr | and ofc 802.11bgn |
| 01:19.27 | luke-jr | wtf is DECT |
| 01:19.50 | SpeedEvil | It's a cordless phone standard. |
| 01:20.12 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 01:20.26 | luke-jr | walkie-talkie frequencies would be neat |
| 01:21.16 | badcloud | wow, the amount of stuff you can cram into a box of circuits... |
| 01:21.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:21.28 | SpeedEvil | I want zigbee too |
| 01:21.30 | SpeedEvil | Ideally. |
| 01:21.32 | kirun | That doesn't leave many wireless standards left... short the battery and do smoke signals? |
| 01:21.57 | badcloud | kirun: haha |
| 01:22.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and a compass, and gyro |
| 01:22.25 | badcloud | and a French maid |
| 01:24.25 | kirun | Mahoromatic? |
| 01:25.38 | badcloud | Japanese scientists are busy at work as we speak |
| 01:26.10 | badcloud | alongside magna artists and a mount-Everest-sized pile of blow |
| 01:26.55 | kirun | The HRP-4C is pretty close, it can already cosplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkuSGYPTcw |
| 01:27.52 | badcloud | yikes |
| 01:27.59 | badcloud | gonna have nightmares TOnight |
| 01:28.13 | badcloud | g'night |
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| 02:19.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: your thing is broken |
| 02:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WUT? |
| 02:20.16 | luke-jr | flash-moko11-2.image |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | so who broke it? last time I looked at it it worked like a charm |
| 02:20.53 | luke-jr | not for me |
| 02:21.34 | luke-jr | I'm reflashing the uSD just to be sure |
| 02:21.49 | luke-jr | this time I will sync instead of 'woops the battery just fell out' |
| 02:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 02:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | might actually help :-P |
| 02:25.35 | luke-jr | looks like it |
| 02:25.48 | luke-jr | is this thing charging? :x |
| 02:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | you might not believe this, but yes |
| 02:26.36 | luke-jr | cool |
| 02:26.48 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any idea where I read about an open GSM firmware for it? |
| 02:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 02:27.14 | SpeedEvil | http://openbsc.osmocom.org/ |
| 02:27.16 | luke-jr | btw,I'm getting bluetooth errors |
| 02:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/#SupportedPhonehardware |
| 02:27.51 | SpeedEvil | err - no - wrong end |
| 02:27.53 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
| 02:30.02 | luke-jr | no details? :/ |
| 02:30.17 | SpeedEvil | there is no really functional stack yet |
| 02:31.02 | luke-jr | gotta be better than DocScrutinizer's garbage |
| 02:31.03 | luke-jr | ducks |
| 02:31.47 | luke-jr | j/k! |
| 02:33.54 | SpeedEvil | TIs garbage. :) |
| 02:34.25 | luke-jr | how do I login over SSH to the DONE flasher? |
| 02:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | good question. It's like 2 years ago I last time did that. I'd hope typing 'neo-ssh' on my laptop would do it for me :-P |
| 02:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
| 02:55.01 | luke-jr | any idea how to install Android? |
| 02:55.06 | luke-jr | their instructions are wrong |
| 02:55.07 | luke-jr | or something |
| 02:55.43 | luke-jr | FR seems to want a uImage file or something |
| 02:55.47 | luke-jr | but the tar has none |
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| 03:17.26 | luke-jr | well since Android is hopeless⦠what should I try? |
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| 03:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | SHR? |
| 03:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | QtMoko? |
| 03:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I only know SHR |
| 03:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | and it was comparatively nice a year ago |
| 03:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | can't have gotten much worse since :-P |
| 03:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | also maybe see /topic |
| 03:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | isn't #openmoko-debian sounding nice to you? |
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| 09:45.07 | badcloud | so which phones on the market now are actually completely open source apart from the Freerunner? |
| 09:45.20 | lindi- | badcloud: is freerunner completely open? |
| 09:45.33 | badcloud | lindi-: I was under the impression that it was |
| 09:45.49 | badcloud | :P ? |
| 09:46.04 | badcloud | bah, I suck at emoticons |
| 09:46.12 | lindi- | badcloud: well it depends on what completely open means :) |
| 09:46.23 | Defiant | its the most open |
| 09:46.32 | badcloud | lindi-: open hardware, stacks, etc |
| 09:47.03 | badcloud | Defiant: what's not open about it then? |
| 09:47.11 | lindi- | badcloud: well some parts of the hardware schematics are under nda |
| 09:47.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | gms firmware is proprietary too, ootb |
| 09:47.43 | lindi- | badcloud: I'm not saying it's bad but you need to be careful when you make claims like that |
| 09:47.54 | badcloud | ah |
| 09:48.02 | lindi- | wlan, gsm and gps operating systems are all proprietary yes |
| 09:48.08 | badcloud | what, like glamo? |
| 09:48.16 | badcloud | just after a quick google |
| 09:49.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Hi :) have you tried radare? Or do you know a better tool? |
| 09:49.58 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I think I have tried it briefly yes |
| 09:50.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser: libdisarm and llvm machine instruction disassembler APIs are also promising |
| 09:51.43 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, but those are only APIs. And radare2 provides a real framework that have the opportunity to provide IDA-like experience it seems. |
| 09:54.20 | lindi- | PaulFertser: maybe I dismissed it since their arm stuff was not ready at that time |
| 09:56.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, i'm trying it now and though i experience some minor bug, overall impression is very good. |
| 10:02.21 | lindi- | badcloud: it's kind of hard to say what those nda'd parts really contain :) |
| 10:02.57 | lindi- | badcloud: but i think it's gsm stuff too |
| 10:04.17 | badcloud | gsm seems like a pretty big hurdle (even without knowing all the details) |
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| 10:24.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: how to rename lables/functions without radare? I mean imagine i understood the purpose of a particular function/label and i want to name it appropriately and to see that name everywhere it's used. |
| 10:36.13 | pabs3 | badcloud: there is a gsm firmware replacement in the works: bb.osmocom.org/trac/ |
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| 10:44.38 | gena2x | PaulFertser: sed? :) |
| 10:45.03 | PaulFertser | gena2x: not nearly as useable. |
| 10:46.27 | badcloud | pabs3: cool, thanks |
| 10:47.26 | PaulFertser | gena2x: radare seems to be a really nice stuff, even if not finished yet. |
| 10:49.10 | gena2x | PaulFertser: yeah, description look promising, thanks for link. |
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| 10:50.40 | PaulFertser | gena2x: that's the hint GNUtoo gave me. For unknown reason i didn't find it during my googling session. |
| 10:52.31 | [Rui] | hi all |
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| 18:13.37 | [Rui] | gena2x: it seems the white screen bug on unblank is back again |
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| 19:08.01 | PBeck | hi |
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| 20:14.57 | luke-jr | is there a distro that *isn't* totally dead? |
| 20:15.20 | lindi- | luke-jr: debian? |
| 20:15.32 | luke-jr | is Debian half-sane on FR? O.o |
| 20:15.41 | luke-jr | has only used Debian with CLI |
| 20:15.42 | max_posedon | shr-unstable |
| 20:15.49 | lindi- | luke-jr: depends on what sane means |
| 20:16.01 | luke-jr | and even if I install KDE, i can't imagine FR has the RAM for it |
| 20:16.25 | max_posedon | e17 is most popular DE for FR I think |
| 20:16.40 | lindi- | luke-jr: get real, you can install things like icewm too |
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| 20:44.01 | Broam | luke-jr: QtMoko isn't dead |
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