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| 07:51.44 | [Steven_M] | I was told from a guy in #android that this project is dead, is that true? |
| 07:52.21 | max_posedon | its depend on what is dead |
| 07:52.40 | max_posedon | projectc/community/company |
| 07:54.30 | [Steven_M] | max_posedon: can I buy a Openmoko smart phone to use in New Zealand? |
| 07:55.39 | max_posedon | if you ok with internet shopping - I think yes |
| 07:56.00 | Heinervdm | [Steven_M]: You can find the distributors here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
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| 07:58.27 | [Steven_M] | how do I know if it will work on my phone network? |
| 08:03.28 | [Steven_M] | As I said to a guy in #android: As a Linux fan I am torn between buying an Android phone and waiting for a GNU/Linux smart phone to come out. |
| 08:05.09 | PaulFertser | [Steven_M]: it works with any GSM network but limited to 2G (no support for EDGE even). Be sure to buy "international" (900MHz) version (and not US-specific 850MHz). |
| 08:05.58 | PaulFertser | [Steven_M]: if you're a GNU/Linux fan you can also consider N900 or the upcoming N9 though the degree of freedom these devices offer to one is considerably low comparing to the FreeRunner. |
| 08:11.48 | [Steven_M] | PaulFertser: What's the difference between 2G and 3G again? |
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| 08:12.55 | PaulFertser | [Steven_M]: from end-user pov: speed. |
| 08:13.36 | PaulFertser | [Steven_M]: by 3G i mean HSDPA/HSUPA, that kind of stuff. You'll find plenty of info on wikipedia ;) |
| 08:13.55 | [Steven_M] | ok, is upcoming N9 3G? |
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| 08:24.39 | [Steven_M] | PaulFertser: Is the upcoming N9 going to be 3G? |
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| 08:35.20 | Heinervdm | [Steven_M]: yes, nearly every upcomming smartphone has 3G |
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| 08:37.42 | [Steven_M] | Heinervdm: thanks |
| 08:38.52 | [Steven_M] | Can you gtk2 apps on it such as pidgin and claws-mail? |
| 08:43.25 | Heinervdm | [Steven_M]: Don't know, i never used MeeGo |
| 08:46.03 | [Steven_M] | Heinervdm: what's meeGo? |
| 08:46.50 | Heinervdm | [Steven_M]: The OS that will be running on N9, it's a linux distri developed by intel and nokia |
| 08:48.21 | [Steven_M] | Heinervdm: ok, forgive my ignorance |
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| 14:40.52 | pabs3 | anyone know where I can find the kernel config for SHR-u 2.6.34? |
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| 14:41.23 | tomcatek | /boot ? |
| 14:42.01 | pabs3 | nope, nor /proc |
| 14:43.12 | PaulFertser | pabs3: the OE repository |
| 14:44.07 | jluis | pabs I could post mine but it only boots and neither touchscreen nor X11 work |
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| 15:20.25 | Heinervdm | PaulFertser: gta01? http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-2.6.34/om-gta01/defconfig |
| 15:20.48 | PaulFertser | pabs3: ^^ |
| 15:20.51 | PaulFertser | Heinervdm: thanks |
| 15:21.04 | pabs3 | yep, already cloned and found it (gta02) |
| 15:21.29 | Heinervdm | PaulFertser: ups, wront autocompletion :) |
| 15:21.33 | Heinervdm | wrong |
| 15:21.38 | pabs3 | (trying to figure out why aplay doesn't work with the Debian pkg-fso 2.6.34 kernel) |
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| 15:30.25 | pabs3 | anyone else experiencing aplay/mplayer being broken with Debian and pkg-fso 2.6.34 kernel? |
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| 20:16.20 | luke-jr | someone sent me a Freerunner. it doesn't seem to boot. is that to be expected? :P |
| 20:16.58 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: only if it's totally discharged. BTW, does NOR u-boot work? |
| 20:17.08 | luke-jr | INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294909852/2000 jiffies) |
| 20:17.19 | luke-jr | NOR u-bootâ |
| 20:19.10 | max_posedon | looks like kernel boots |
| 20:19.38 | max_posedon | so, just flash kernel, and rootfs and bootloader, from shr-unstable for example |
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| 20:28.08 | luke-jr | how? |
| 20:28.25 | luke-jr | probably the bigger question is how to backup existing content first |
| 20:28.48 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: you do not really need to backup anything usually. |
| 20:28.58 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: to flash just use nor u-boot and dfu-util on host. |
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| 20:33.08 | max_posedon | luke-jr, press aux, press power, wait 2-3 sec, release power, release aux |
| 20:33.16 | max_posedon | you will see nor u-boot menu |
| 20:33.38 | luke-jr | flashing replaces data. that implies a need to backup |
| 20:33.40 | max_posedon | install dfu-util , and next you can easyly flush kernel/uboot/rootfs |
| 20:33.55 | max_posedon | dfu-util could do backup |
| 20:34.56 | PaulFertser | NOR dfu-util can't do a backup |
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| 21:20.04 | luke-jr | ugh, dfu-util exists only as some unstable 0.1? :/ |
| 21:20.52 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: yes but so far it was quite stable. 0.2 was released just about a week ago. |
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| 22:33.35 | luke-jr | so where can I find the open source cell firmware? |
| 22:36.41 | max_posedon | in PI, but I don't remember exact ofset and limit |
| 22:37.26 | max_posedon | in short, Neo Freerunner haven't open source cell firmware |
| 22:38.57 | luke-jr | max_posedon: I heard it did, but it was as of yet incomplete |
| 22:39.10 | luke-jr | how can I be sure bugs 676 and 1843 aren't affecting me? |
| 22:39.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | cell? |
| 22:39.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, network. right. |
| 22:40.16 | luke-jr | looks like my U-Boot is 1.3.2-moko12 May 9 2008 @ 10:28:40 |
| 22:41.22 | max_posedon | nor or nand? |
| 22:41.27 | max_posedon | freerunner have 2 uboots) |
| 22:42.24 | luke-jr | NOR |
| 22:43.02 | max_posedon | its ok, usually people flush recent uboot(or qi but its another story) to nand and use it |
| 22:43.58 | luke-jr | We have 7 DFU Interfaces/Altsettings, you have to specify one via --intf / --alt options |
| 22:44.01 | luke-jr | how do I list them? |
| 22:44.13 | max_posedon | lsusb |
| 22:44.17 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 22:44.32 | max_posedon | ah, sorry, --alt |
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| 22:44.58 | max_posedon | u-boot | kernel | rootfs |
| 22:45.02 | luke-jr | -i vs -a is index vs name? |
| 22:45.03 | max_posedon | man u-boot have examples) |
| 22:45.27 | max_posedon | -a accepts index, I prefer names |
| 22:45.40 | luke-jr | what's -i then? |
| 22:45.56 | max_posedon | may be I lied about -a, but I remember -a 0 and so on |
| 22:46.02 | max_posedon | as I said, I prefer names |
| 22:46.07 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 22:46.21 | luke-jr | me too, but I want to be sure I backup everything⦠|
| 22:46.27 | luke-jr | is -a different data than -i? |
| 22:47.38 | max_posedon | I don't think so |
| 22:48.56 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: any idea how to identify if my backups are affected by bugs 676 & 1843? |
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| 23:23.39 | luke-jr | dfu_upload: usb_control_msg returned -84: error sending control message: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character |
| 23:23.40 | luke-jr | wtf |
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| 23:40.15 | SpeedEvil | bogus use of ERRNO I think |
| 23:40.26 | SpeedEvil | -84 is a common USB error. |
| 23:40.34 | SpeedEvil | 'I've fallen over and I can't get up' IIRC |
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| 23:40.59 | SpeedEvil | Or it may be EPAININTHEDIODESDOWNMYRIGHTHANDSIDE |
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