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| 14:54.33 | ndnihil | just checked the uptime on my FR |
| 14:54.39 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.14 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: impressive. How is this device used? |
| 15:57.33 | ndnihil | its pretending it's a cd changer |
| 15:57.42 | ndnihil | s/its/it's/ |
| 15:57.45 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
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| 15:58.50 | ndnihil | car2pc VAG specific adapter, tricks the OEM head unit in the audi into thinking a computer is a cd changer, one-off perl script to respond to head unit controls and play music |
| 15:59.29 | ndnihil | used it for nav a couple times, but then I got the droid |
| 15:59.33 | ndnihil | droid nav is quite nice |
| 16:00.16 | ndnihil | FR hasn't been in the car for a couple months though |
| 16:00.35 | ndnihil | took it out when I removed the glovebox to run wiring for a remote mount radar/laser detector |
| 16:00.42 | ndnihil | just haven't thrown it back in yet |
| 16:01.01 | ndnihil | brought it inside and plugged it into the hub, and it's been sitting there |
| 16:04.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:20.29 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:24.49 | Broam | hello |
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| 19:33.44 | alcy | gena2x: I confirmed it from the sales guy that its an A7. So, I guess the buzz problem won't be there ? Also, any clue about the battery problem ? |
| 19:36.07 | gena2x | alcy: it's backup battery, in mony cases for unknown reason . purpose of backup battery is to hold (rtc) clock while main battery is not installed or comletely discharged. remove/insert buttery is only method to reboot hang freerunner from time to time. |
| 19:36.54 | gena2x | alcy: so, recently some replacemet suggested for bubatt, and it seem working well |
| 19:37.53 | alcy | gena2x: so nothing serious then ? :) ... also I hope I don't have to meddle with different SIMs, or do I ? |
| 19:38.49 | gena2x | alcy: you have to ungrade GSM firmware. i have no really big xp with sims problems, but somehow i think after upgrade all sims working. |
| 19:39.26 | gena2x | alcy: it depends on your definition of 'serious' |
| 19:40.05 | gena2x | alcy: for me it still has 'serious' issues - like 1 out of 50 hang in suspend. |
| 19:40.21 | gena2x | alcy: but it's usable. |
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| 19:42.39 | alcy | gena2x: good to know. hope I'll be able to do the upgrades smoothly. |
| 19:42.44 | gena2x | alcy: s/in mony cases for unknown reason ./in many cases it is not working for unknown reason/ |
| 19:43.05 | gena2x | alcy: it's not hard. if you have linux xp :) |
| 19:43.51 | alcy | gena2x: is that a new distro ? :D |
| 19:44.00 | gena2x | alcy: i should warn you, i can only consider fr as a good pushcase if you want to do some development of learn embedded systems. |
| 19:44.13 | gena2x | alcy: ah, i meant xp==expierence :) |
| 19:45.47 | gena2x | alcy: i am really unsure how it is as 'just phone'. |
| 19:46.34 | gena2x | alcy: but would be interesting to see new user view. |
| 19:47.05 | alcy | gena2x: ..I actually have no inclination of doing development, but just for the sake of having an open source phone, I want to buy it. And I hope its the only phone I will be using. Was just going through this mailing list post http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg56539.html :) |
| 19:47.42 | alcy | gena2x: wanted to buy it when it came out, but then I didn't have a job and this thing was procey. |
| 19:47.53 | alcy | s/procey/pricey |
| 19:48.52 | gena2x | alcy, heh, in Dec 2009 it were not usable as main phone. from my point of view. with current kernel - i am not sure, but now it is usable. |
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| 19:49.33 | PaulFertser | gena2x: lol, it worked better for me as a phone in Dec 2009 than now. |
| 19:50.02 | gena2x | PaulFertser: you have different standards :) |
| 19:50.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: and now you got n900 :) |
| 19:50.30 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i can't use as a phone altogether. |
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| 19:51.48 | ndnihil | it's usable as a phone now? |
| 19:51.50 | ndnihil | :) |
| 19:52.15 | gena2x | i am using it as a main phone now and happy. |
| 19:52.45 | ndnihil | it was my regular carry phone for a while |
| 19:52.56 | ndnihil | back when it wasn't suitable for such a role apparently :) |
| 19:53.17 | ndnihil | have to say though, the droid is nice |
| 19:53.21 | gena2x | as i told, Paul has different standards |
| 19:53.22 | Broam | alcy: I have an A7 |
| 19:53.34 | ndnihil | having the hardware keyboard makes a huge difference when you've got massive hands |
| 19:54.33 | alcy | Broam: and, you share the same above opinion ? :) |
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| 19:56.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i think, for $220, FR is not bad. |
| 19:57.10 | Broam | alcy: i would prefer Dasher on my FR |
| 19:57.17 | Broam | as keyboard input |
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| 19:59.38 | SpeedEvil | dasher requires you to stare fixedly at the device |
| 20:00.21 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i was always saying FR is actually good. |
| 20:00.28 | PaulFertser | gena2x: especially for its price. |
| 20:00.32 | PaulFertser | gena2x: never denied it. |
| 20:00.42 | PaulFertser | gena2x: and it's better as a phone than n900 even! |
| 20:00.50 | PaulFertser | gena2x: because n900 is not usable as a phone altogether. |
| 20:00.58 | gena2x | PaulFertser: no emacs? |
| 20:01.22 | PaulFertser | gena2x: no FSO, and ofono is just not ready and is not used by anybody, so no GSM telephony support. |
| 20:02.26 | Broam | alcy: I do not have the suspend problem gena2x has. |
| 20:02.34 | Broam | at least, I haven't noticed it |
| 20:02.45 | Broam | SpeedEvil: yeah that's fine, I don't text & drive :D |
| 20:03.07 | Broam | SpeedEvil: at least with a Free Software implementation there's room for multiple different keyboard methods |
| 20:03.14 | alcy | Broam: cool. |
| 20:03.53 | Broam | alcy: I have A7 in US. Reception is a slight issue |
| 20:04.08 | Broam | large # of dead zones where only GSM 850 would be |
| 20:05.28 | alcy | Broam: I guess I can't have too many testimonials from Indian folks, just hoping it to do fine. |
| 20:05.43 | Broam | alcy: I'm not in India. I'm in the US |
| 20:06.12 | Broam | alcy: just make sure you update GSM firmware to v11 |
| 20:06.26 | gena2x | and use latest distro |
| 20:06.42 | gena2x | btw suspend problem is really rare, once per week or two. |
| 20:07.00 | Broam | gena2x: been using my phone for months, mostly in suspend... |
| 20:07.07 | alcy | Broam: errm, yes. just emphasizing that I can't know what folks here in my country are experiencing ( regarding signal reception :) ) |
| 20:07.21 | gena2x | Broam: which kernel? i have it only with latest .34 |
| 20:07.24 | Broam | alcy: You can look up GSM bands |
| 20:07.38 | Broam | gena2x: I'm using qtmoko v26 so it's a .29 kernel I think |
| 20:08.07 | Broam | yeah 2.6.29-rc3-v26 |
| 20:08.15 | gena2x | anyway, it's sorware fixable stuff. |
| 20:08.26 | gena2x | *software |
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| 20:08.31 | Broam | I still want #1024 fix |
| 20:09.15 | gena2x | oh, it's compilcated. (once again many thanks to PaulFertser who did it for me) |
| 20:09.51 | Broam | how did battery life fare once you got it done? |
| 20:10.43 | gena2x | Broam: funny enough, i didn't measure. I am just connecting to to usb every evening. |
| 20:11.01 | Broam | i can usually go 20-24 hours between charges |
| 20:11.09 | Broam | most of that in suspend. I don't have a lot of people who call me. |
| 20:11.37 | gena2x | Broam: but sometimes, i forgot it somewhare and then i resume it - it still works :) |
| 20:12.50 | Broam | it's nice when things work. :D |
| 20:18.09 | gena2x | now even my clock is not reset - so, i think no more really annoying bugs |
| 20:18.24 | Broam | oh yeah, i need to put the capacitor in place of this battery |
| 20:18.30 | gena2x | just happy |
| 20:21.03 | alcy | n900 dies pretty quickly too. |
| 20:26.08 | Broam | alcy: about how long? |
| 20:26.18 | Broam | most smartphones have battery life of a diseased gerbil |
| 20:28.02 | alcy | Broam: my dad was upset with it. he said not more than ~8-10 hours with normal usage (a bit of browsing, bunch of calls etc.). I used to do some browsing at night with almost a fully charged battery...and in the morning...surprise. |
| 20:28.11 | Weiss | finds N900 quite good on battery life actually |
| 20:28.29 | Broam | you're constantly using it, and the battery goes in 8-10 hours? That's pretty good for a really small laptop |
| 20:28.38 | Broam | which is what the N900 is |
| 20:28.43 | Weiss | it lasts a day with 3G+Skype on the whole day, but with it turned off, it lasts about two days, possibly more |
| 20:29.07 | Broam | you want 30 hours of talk time, you get a Candy Bar with the two most modern features in it being "text messaging" and "a color screen" |
| 20:29.11 | Weiss | (a day being morning->night, not all night as well) |
| 20:30.31 | PaulFertser | Weiss: are you using skype? :((( |
| 20:30.34 | Broam | The FreeRunner has two ARM cores. One is the processor you run Linux on. The other is the GSM modem. |
| 20:30.40 | Broam | skype hiss it burnses |
| 20:30.49 | PaulFertser | Broam: the third is inside GPS module. |
| 20:30.55 | Broam | aha, three. |
| 20:31.13 | Broam | I haven't gotten GPS to work w/ qtmoko. Worked great w/ SHR |
| 20:31.20 | Weiss | PaulFertser: yes, sorry :( |
| 20:31.43 | Weiss | it's not the worst IM system that I use though :(( (but I'm cutting down a lot on the other one) |
| 20:32.46 | PaulFertser | thought skype is the worst in this world |
| 20:32.55 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i bet glamo has some kind of core too |
| 20:33.13 | gena2x | Broam: GPS? works well |
| 20:33.23 | gena2x | Broam: are you using u-boot? |
| 20:33.28 | gena2x | Broam: or qi? |
| 20:33.52 | Broam | qi |
| 20:34.02 | Broam | using qi from shr |
| 20:34.11 | [Rui] | gena2x: question for the experts: previously, touching the touchscreen when blanked would only unblank, now it also passes the mouse event WTH!!!!! |
| 20:34.16 | Broam | i'm on nand too gena2x |
| 20:35.09 | gena2x | Broam: hm. may be this related to power-on kernel patch |
| 20:35.18 | gena2x | Broam: can you cat gps device? |
| 20:35.32 | gena2x | Broam: after resume, cat /dev/ttyS1 |
| 20:35.52 | gena2x | Broam: it should actually print some stuff. if not - this is power issue. |
| 20:35.54 | Broam | gena2x: yeah, lemme do it now |
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| 20:36.12 | Broam | gena2x: going to lock screen & let system suspend normally |
| 20:36.20 | gena2x | Broam: and yeah, run nerongps |
| 20:36.39 | gena2x | Broam: or yes, power it on, cat /dev/ttySAC1 and suspend |
| 20:37.06 | gena2x | Broam: resume and check if something still comes from port |
| 20:39.01 | Broam | it's not that...it's that I never get a fix |
| 20:39.04 | gena2x | [Rui]: damn. blank no idea how it is working, but probably this is not related to ts driver itself |
| 20:39.27 | gena2x | Broam: but can you see data on serial device? |
| 20:39.53 | Broam | yeah I do see data on /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 20:40.23 | Broam | just never get a fix. 45 minutes = no fix |
| 20:40.38 | Broam | don't have an uSD card even inserted |
| 20:41.14 | gena2x | Broam: i only now expert in power :) |
| 20:41.21 | [Rui] | gena2x: no? |
| 20:41.38 | Broam | gena2x: well, GPS isn't as important as GPRS. or BT. or phone |
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| 20:41.52 | gena2x | Broam: for me - it is. |
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| 20:42.21 | Broam | gena2x: The fact that we're using the same device for 2 very different reasons is good for the community :) |
| 20:42.27 | gena2x | Broam: map itself is more important, but gps is nice thing to quick check position |
| 20:42.59 | gena2x | of course, 'quick' should be 'quick' :) |
| 20:43.42 | Broam | not sure why there's no fix...usd clock should be off, right? |
| 20:44.14 | gena2x | Broam: here, it works well with clock |
| 20:44.37 | gena2x | Broam: and usd |
| 20:44.43 | Broam | i mean the CLK signal for uSD card - wasn't there an issue w/ GPS fix & uSD? |
| 20:45.07 | gena2x | Broam: were some issue, but is was fixed long ago i thing |
| 20:45.12 | gena2x | *think |
| 20:45.39 | gena2x | by adding capacitor. don't really know, never faced it |
| 20:45.59 | Broam | I see. |
| 20:46.16 | Broam | I remember discussion about if uSD was in use it could affect getting the first fix |
| 20:46.23 | gena2x | Broam: what is your gps log? |
| 20:46.35 | Broam | my log? |
| 20:47.01 | gena2x | Broam: cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 20:47.09 | gena2x | Broam: under clean sky |
| 20:47.29 | gena2x | Broam: i mean cat /dev/ttySAC1 >somewhere.log |
| 20:48.14 | gena2x | [Rui]: i'll try to reproduce your ts-unblank thing here in qtmoko |
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| 20:49.14 | Broam | ok I'll have to go outside... |
| 20:49.19 | Broam | might be a few hours, I can get one to you tomorrow |
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| 20:52.15 | gena2x | Broam: ok, i'll check ts unblank now and off for today |
| 20:52.19 | gena2x | anyway |
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| 21:12.40 | gena2x | [Rui]: hm, really seem after 'xset dpms force standby' and pressing mouse, event passed to actual window. are you sure this were different? |
| 21:12.58 | gena2x | [Rui]: and same on desktop |
| 21:19.16 | gena2x | off for today |
| 21:19.22 | gena2x | all good night |
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