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| 17:45.05 | zooko | Folks: I just powered up my shiny new Neo FreeRunner, but I can't make a call. It says "Registering...". |
| 17:45.15 | zooko | The gsm antenna symbol shows 5 bars and power on. |
| 17:45.27 | zooko | Where do I start on diagnosing what is going on? |
| 17:49.42 | Heinervdm | zooko: which distribution do you use? |
| 17:52.33 | Heinervdm | zooko: if it's brand new you should check the GSM firmware version, and upgrade if it's not the latest http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 17:52.36 | zooko | Whatever it came with. |
| 17:52.40 | zooko | Heinervdm: okay, thanks. |
| 17:52.58 | Heinervdm | zooko: then it's probably OM 2008.9 |
| 17:53.07 | Heinervdm | that's really old |
| 17:53.15 | zooko | Would you expect it to fail to Register with the GSM provider? |
| 17:53.55 | zooko | Because at this point (about to travel -- need a phone) I don't want to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, but only if I have some specific reason to think it will change this particular behavior... |
| 17:54.04 | zooko | back in a bit! |
| 17:57.01 | Heinervdm | Don't know, but perhaps someone else has an idea |
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| 18:09.30 | zooko | Would it be an appropriate question for a mailing list? |
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| 19:33.23 | gena2x | zooko: you should update your 2008.9 to make usable phone. try latest shr or qtmoko v28 |
| 19:34.11 | gena2x | zooko: modern distros work more than twice as fast and much more stable |
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| 19:40.09 | zooko | gena2x: so you think there is a good chance that the failure to register with the GSM provider is due to a bug in the distro ? |
| 19:40.41 | zooko | I just would like to find some way to get real diagnosis, or testing, or find someone else's confirmed sighting of the same bug, rather than just use the "upgrade to the shiniest newest thing cause it is better" approach. ;-) |
| 19:40.45 | zooko | For once in my life. |
| 19:41.24 | zooko | Do you think there's something I could do to work-around this issue without upgrading, like maybe remove the battery, or reboot, or issue some command on the terminal ... |
| 19:41.41 | gena2x | zooko: really should not be related distro, but really, upgrade. to understand your issue you should just attempt to register manually |
| 19:41.51 | zooko | Say... how hard is it to ssh into my FreeRunner? |
| 19:41.57 | zooko | So I can use a real keyboard to type into it? :-) |
| 19:42.02 | zooko | turns on the wifi... |
| 19:42.17 | zooko | How do I attempt to register manually? |
| 19:42.27 | zooko | I really do intend to upgrade, but I would like to learn more about my issue first... |
| 19:42.32 | gena2x | zooko: but gsm firmware upgrade is _specifically_ to fix such issues! |
| 19:43.54 | gena2x | zooko: it's not wise to learn issue which may be already fixed and forgotten |
| 19:43.58 | zooko | Okay then! :-) |
| 19:44.07 | zooko | Is there a changelog of the gsm firmware upgrade? |
| 19:44.15 | zooko | looks for that page about how to detect the current version of the firmware... |
| 19:44.43 | gena2x | so, first upgrade your distro and gsm firmware, then fix issues. 2008.9 is really old. |
| 19:45.02 | gena2x | zooko: can't really recall, i did it more than a year ago |
| 19:45.10 | zooko | Is there a doc which will teach me how to manually register? |
| 19:45.41 | gena2x | you should open gsm serial port and just issue few commands |
| 19:46.38 | gena2x | need just to find some logs of working gsm... |
| 19:46.53 | gena2x | i had gprs sequence somewhere... |
| 19:48.46 | zooko | I guess I better get sshd working first because I don't think I can type very many commands on this tiny keyboard... |
| 19:49.03 | gena2x | upgrade! . |
| 19:51.47 | gena2x | you will get comlete different phone after upgrade |
| 19:52.43 | gena2x | use your will to fix real problems |
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| 20:00.20 | zooko | gena2x: ;-) |
| 20:00.23 | zooko | You make a good case. |
| 20:00.29 | zooko | But to what distro should I upgrade? |
| 20:01.40 | gena2x | zooko: i am using qtmoko. |
| 20:02.13 | zooko | I like qt. |
| 20:02.35 | gena2x | zooko: get v28. |
| 20:02.56 | gena2x | zooko: do not forget to upgrade gsm firmware |
| 20:02.59 | gena2x | too |
| 20:04.22 | zooko | Before or after upgrading distro? |
| 20:06.55 | gena2x | no matter |
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| 20:25.42 | zooko | Wow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing is confusing. |
| 20:26.01 | zooko | So "MOKO11" is the name+version number of the firmware? |
| 20:26.10 | zooko | And GTA02 is the version of hardware that I have (I think). |
| 20:26.46 | zooko | Hm, I think I have a µSD card that came in my FreeRunner. |
| 20:26.51 | zooko | Should I use that one or do I need to buy a new one? |
| 20:27.01 | zooko | I wonder if I can successfully write the image to my µSD using my Macintosh. |
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| 20:31.35 | gena2x | zooko: [flashing] -> just use 'manual update' |
| 20:31.51 | zooko | looks on the page for "manual update". |
| 20:34.34 | gena2x | zooko: i used that method i think, so can't say about usd card. |
| 20:34.53 | zooko | gena2x: thanks! |
| 20:35.24 | zooko | Does the distro that came with my FreeRunner allow me to ssh into the device? |
| 20:35.33 | lindi- | zooko: what distro was it? |
| 20:35.41 | zooko | Not sure. |
| 20:35.43 | gena2x | zooko: really, really forget about that distro |
| 20:35.52 | zooko | laughs |
| 20:36.00 | zooko | I dare not speak its name in front of gena2x. |
| 20:36.14 | gena2x | you told 2008.9 |
| 20:36.28 | gena2x | oh, |
| 20:36.40 | gena2x | you can't install any ipks to 2008.9 i think. |
| 20:36.45 | gena2x | i think |
| 20:36.54 | gena2x | hm. so you have to got usd way |
| 20:37.33 | gena2x | s/got/go/ |
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| 20:58.10 | zooko | Thanks gena2x. |
| 20:59.00 | gena2x | zooko: np, looking forward for fixes from you in qtmoko :) |
| 20:59.47 | zooko | :- |
| 20:59.48 | zooko | ) |
| 21:00.38 | zooko | My next step is to decide if I need to acquire a new μSD card or if I can use the one that came with my phone... |
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