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| 00:12.15 | rozzin | Is there anyone here present who can talk about the design/rationale behind FSO's GPS support? |
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| 03:27.57 | pabs3 | whats with SHR-u these days, it hasn't had an update in a while |
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| 05:28.16 | JaMa|Zzzz | pabs3: read ML about tests images |
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| 09:16.26 | michelk | I couldn't mount nSD card with SHR - could someone help out? |
| 09:19.12 | pabs3 | you forgot to post the error |
| 09:22.07 | michelk | "df" shows me: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 09:22.10 | michelk | /dev/root 252544 249932 2612 99% / |
| 09:22.12 | michelk | devtmpfs 62976 164 62812 0% /dev |
| 09:22.15 | michelk | none 62976 164 62812 0% /dev |
| 09:22.17 | michelk | shmfs 62976 0 62976 0% /dev/shm |
| 09:22.20 | michelk | tmpfs 62976 1244 61732 2% /var/volatile |
| 09:22.22 | michelk | tmpfs 62976 0 62976 0% /dev/shm |
| 09:22.25 | michelk | tmpfs 62976 0 62976 0% /media/ram |
| 09:22.28 | michelk | volatile 62976 1244 61732 2% /var/volatile |
| 09:22.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps michelk about with a filleted trout |
| 09:22.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | please don't paste in here. |
| 09:22.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | and thats _still_ not an error :) |
| 09:27.12 | PaulFertser | ~pastebin |
| 09:27.13 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 09:32.38 | michelk | ok thanks |
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| 10:56.02 | case__ | hi there. i'm slightly offtopic but i don't know where to ask : i'm looking for insights about UMTS infrastructures, any clue (website, channels, even bare keywords are welcome) |
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| 11:13.38 | adiblol | case__: openbts source code? |
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| 11:24.52 | SpeedEvil | case__: Go to wikipedia, enter umts - there should be links to the standard. |
| 11:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a particular case? |
| 11:25.05 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:25.06 | SpeedEvil | question |
| 11:25.19 | SpeedEvil | long standard is long. |
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| 12:38.52 | adiblol | lindi-: are u alive? |
| 12:39.06 | lindi- | adiblol: yep |
| 12:39.32 | adiblol | "What is a clean way to start answering-machine on boot as normal user?" is this question up to date? |
| 12:40.22 | lindi- | adiblol: sort of |
| 12:40.42 | lindi- | adiblol: i still don't know what's the clean way to start per-user daemons :) |
| 12:40.43 | adiblol | ok. |
| 12:41.10 | adiblol | su --command=answering-machine normal_user |
| 12:41.11 | lindi- | the only established practice is from the X world where a deamon is started when you login via gdm for example |
| 12:41.25 | adiblol | in /etc/rc.local |
| 12:41.32 | lindi- | adiblol: sure but rc.local can never be part of a package |
| 12:41.42 | lindi- | adiblol: by "clean" I meant something that could be used by others |
| 12:41.51 | lindi- | adiblol: something that could be included in the distro |
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| 12:48.32 | adiblol | lindi-: man start-stop-daemon should help |
| 12:50.14 | adiblol | adapt the script /etc/init.d/skeleton and add --user normal_user to start-stop-daemon's cmdline |
| 12:52.04 | PaulFertser | adiblol: it's not exactly the way as it requires a user to log in. |
| 12:54.14 | lindi- | adiblol: sure but you can't hardcode "normal_user" to some package |
| 12:54.41 | lindi- | PaulFertser: hmm? surely init scripts will run even without logged in users? |
| 12:54.44 | PaulFertser | (i was talking about the dm way, and yes, using normal_user in init.d is also uncool) |
| 12:55.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yeah, dm way is a problem since it requires the user to login |
| 12:55.28 | lindi- | and also it does not handle logout/relogin nicely |
| 12:55.59 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if you can trade "on startup" to "check if daemon is running and run when necessary", you can use user's crontab. |
| 12:56.34 | PaulFertser | s/to/for/ |
| 12:56.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: sure but that sounds bit wrong |
| 12:56.52 | PaulFertser | Indeed |
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| 13:13.02 | adiblol | lindi-: but where from will the starter script know the username if nobody is logged in? |
| 13:15.52 | PaulFertser | adiblol: one can use a special post-install script that asks which user to run as on startup or something. |
| 13:16.54 | adiblol | ... and will create /etc/default/answering-machine, with for example RUN_UID=normal_user inside |
| 13:17.21 | adiblol | then we can include it by ". /etc/default/answering-machine" |
| 13:18.01 | adiblol | and use $RUN_UID in start-stop-daemon's command line. |
| 13:20.20 | PaulFertser | I'm sure lindi- will find some downsides in this method but it sounds sane to me :) |
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| 13:34.25 | lindi- | adiblol: PaulFertser: possible solution yes |
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| 14:40.04 | adiblol | hackable:1 f^#&ed up by upgrade, which apt-based distro would you recommend for neo? |
| 14:42.08 | case__ | SpeedEvil, ( and adiblol ) thanks for answering... my questions aren't answered by the WP page and i don't know if i will find them in the spec, It may depend of the carriers in fact... how large is a "cell" of the network? how many cell phone can connect in each cell? what total bandwith can a "cell" manage between these cell phones and the rest of the world (radio-bound or uplink bound?) |
| 14:47.22 | SpeedEvil | It is found in the standard - the limits |
| 14:47.56 | SpeedEvil | The real world depends on things like spectrum allocation, local spectrum managment, environment, and network planning. |
| 14:48.21 | SpeedEvil | In lightly populated areas, for example, towers may be 10 or more km apart. |
| 14:48.47 | SpeedEvil | In densely populated areas, well under a kilometer. |
| 14:49.15 | SpeedEvil | http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/ |
| 14:49.18 | SpeedEvil | may be of use to you |
| 14:50.06 | case__ | cool thanks for the link |
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| 14:50.51 | SpeedEvil | Also - http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ |
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| 15:27.50 | pabs3 | one week to submit something to the Mobile FOSS miniconf at LCA: http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers |
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