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09:11.27 | PBeck | hi |
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11:59.29 | PBeck | re |
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12:24.12 | ThibG | hm, what would cause my FR to boot itself in the middle of the night...? |
12:24.22 | PBeck | ghosts |
12:24.38 | PBeck | ghost of the first mobile handset pioneer in 1973 |
12:28.45 | gena2x | ThibG: usb supply toggle |
12:29.04 | gena2x | ThibG: or alternatively spirit of DocScrutinizer |
12:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | who summoned me??? (with low voice and a cloud of sulfur) |
12:30.12 | ThibG | unplugged |
12:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | a kernel panic? |
12:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | low battery? |
12:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | static electricity? |
12:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | some weird madness in any of the founding system components? |
12:31.42 | Defiant | low battery forces a wakeup? |
12:31.59 | ThibG | story: I run QtMoko from NAND, power off my FR before sleeping |
12:32.08 | ThibG | try to sleep, actually manage to sleep |
12:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | err yep should wake up from suspend to shutdown cleanly :-D |
12:32.11 | ThibG | wake up |
12:32.31 | gena2x | my 2cent idea: while you powering off, it is not really power off |
12:32.41 | ThibG | and find my FR booted on my µSD system |
12:32.47 | gena2x | may be sometimes |
12:33.20 | gena2x | so you see black screen, but battery still charging |
12:33.42 | gena2x | so - my idea unfinished shutdown |
12:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | umm, FR shouldn't do this. This is a maemo invention |
12:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | on FR shutdown should really mean shutdown |
12:34.56 | ThibG | one thing is that my µSD system isn't configured to suspend, so, maybe I can run uptime next time, to see when it waked up...? |
12:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | and actually FR hw should charge just fine when shutdown |
12:36.14 | gena2x | ThibG: hang camera over it :) |
12:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | another possible scenario is mains blackout: FR runns from battery, discharges, dies, and on mains return boots up again |
12:36.52 | gena2x | ah |
12:36.57 | gena2x | one more possibility |
12:37.01 | ThibG | mains? |
12:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | ThibG: install decent syslog, with *MARK* every 5 min ;-D |
12:37.25 | gena2x | you waked up and booted it :) |
12:37.49 | ThibG | hm, DocScrutinizer not a bad idea |
12:37.52 | gena2x | camera will help in this case too |
12:37.55 | ThibG | I should have logs... |
12:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | syslog file (usually /var/lg/messages) should tell you the whole story |
12:39.55 | ThibG | the whole story? I don't think so |
12:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | but actually I've seen FR boot up and reboot out of thin air occasionally (actually one or 2 times) |
12:40.28 | ThibG | it happened two times in the middle of the night |
12:41.19 | gena2x | i saw sudden reboots, but only then wdt is on |
12:41.30 | gena2x | ThibG: ah, rtcwake! |
12:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
12:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | rtcwake shouldn't cause reboots |
12:41.45 | gena2x | alarms and etc |
12:41.56 | ThibG | I think it's rtcwake... |
12:42.01 | ThibG | just checked out syslog |
12:42.16 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: i am about ThibG situation - he told about shutdown |
12:42.20 | ThibG | the first syslog entry is at 0206 |
12:42.30 | ThibG | each time |
12:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | why should system shutdown on rtcwake? |
12:42.42 | ThibG | no, no |
12:42.47 | ThibG | my system is already shut down |
12:42.49 | ThibG | and wakes up |
12:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
12:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes ofcourse, that's obviously hwclock then |
12:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | RTC |
12:43.57 | gena2x | eh, so nice mistery |
12:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | somebody might have set a recurring daily alarm @ 02:05 |
12:44.04 | gena2x | demistified... |
12:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | RTC hw stores up, even over boot and short main bat removal |
12:45.06 | gena2x | if you didn't desolder your backup battery |
12:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | or remove main battery >60s and are one of the 95% with a borked backup bat ;-P |
12:46.23 | ThibG | hm, and how do you check the hardware clock settings and remove it? |
12:46.42 | gena2x | qtmoko has alarm settings |
12:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | e.g ffalarms should use rtc |
12:46.57 | SpeedEvil | 0206 is 127 minutes after midnight |
12:47.09 | SpeedEvil | or maybe 128 |
12:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | also there are linux cmdline tools |
12:47.16 | gena2x | UTC +2 is default timezone in qtmoko |
12:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nice catch |
12:47.29 | SpeedEvil | Or that |
12:48.25 | gena2x | something not really excellent with alarm in qtmoko, so you may find bugs. |
12:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | rtcwake (8) - enter a system sleep state until specified wakeup time |
12:48.48 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: yes, sorry |
12:49.15 | gena2x | hm. |
12:49.36 | gena2x | bad idea |
12:49.45 | gena2x | can it boot on rtc? |
12:52.23 | gena2x | i think yes, if it can wake on rtc? |
12:52.35 | gena2x | but is this implemented? |
12:53.46 | gena2x | or back to camera idea :) |
12:55.45 | ThibG | set an alarm in QtMoko and powered off my FR... |
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12:57.44 | ThibG | my FR is booting! |
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12:59.20 | gena2x | nice |
12:59.33 | gena2x | i didn't thought about this. |
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14:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | told ya ffalarms does |
14:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | it's been tested to work since day 1 iirc |
14:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's what fsoatd is all about afaik |
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14:08.02 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: ok, i didn't use it as it is only in shr |
14:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | I see, your discretion :-) |
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14:37.23 | viric | Hello all |
14:37.57 | viric | I think I'm a bit pushed to buying a phone, and wanting most freedom on software/hardware, I'm thinking about buying a Neo FreeRunner |
14:39.10 | viric | is there anything I should know about it? |
14:39.15 | viric | (anything bad) |
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21:36.41 | Gabrys | hi guys |
21:36.50 | Gabrys | I've done a new browser for SHR unstable |
21:37.06 | Gabrys | opkg install http://ffbrowser.com/ffbrowser-latest.ipk |
21:37.23 | Gabrys | it's more or less working, but some things just doesn't work yet |
21:37.27 | Gabrys | please try anyways |
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