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12:24.12ThibGhm, what would cause my FR to boot itself in the middle of the night...?
12:24.22PBeckghosts
12:24.38PBeckghost of the first mobile handset pioneer in 1973
12:28.45gena2xThibG: usb supply toggle
12:29.04gena2xThibG: or alternatively spirit of DocScrutinizer
12:29.35DocScrutinizerwho summoned me??? (with low voice and a cloud of sulfur)
12:30.12ThibGunplugged
12:30.45DocScrutinizera kernel panic?
12:30.58DocScrutinizerlow battery?
12:31.07DocScrutinizerstatic electricity?
12:31.37DocScrutinizersome weird madness in any of the founding system components?
12:31.42Defiantlow battery forces a wakeup?
12:31.59ThibGstory: I run QtMoko from NAND, power off my FR before sleeping
12:32.08ThibGtry to sleep, actually manage to sleep
12:32.10DocScrutinizererr yep should wake up from suspend to shutdown cleanly :-D
12:32.11ThibGwake up
12:32.31gena2xmy 2cent idea: while you powering off, it is not really power off
12:32.41ThibGand find my FR booted on my µSD system
12:32.47gena2xmay be sometimes
12:33.20gena2xso you see black screen, but battery still charging
12:33.42gena2xso - my idea unfinished shutdown
12:33.53DocScrutinizerumm, FR shouldn't do this. This is a maemo invention
12:34.28DocScrutinizeron FR shutdown should really mean shutdown
12:34.56ThibGone thing is that my µSD system isn't configured to suspend, so, maybe I can run uptime next time, to see when it waked up...?
12:35.06DocScrutinizerand actually FR hw should charge just fine when shutdown
12:36.14gena2xThibG: hang camera over it :)
12:36.21DocScrutinizeranother possible scenario is mains blackout: FR runns from battery, discharges, dies, and on mains return boots up again
12:36.52gena2xah
12:36.57gena2xone more possibility
12:37.01ThibGmains?
12:37.14DocScrutinizerThibG: install decent syslog, with *MARK* every 5 min ;-D
12:37.25gena2xyou waked up and booted it :)
12:37.49ThibGhm, DocScrutinizer not a bad idea
12:37.52gena2xcamera will help in this case too
12:37.55ThibGI should have logs...
12:38.04DocScrutinizersyslog file (usually /var/lg/messages) should tell you the whole story
12:39.55ThibGthe whole story? I don't think so
12:40.07DocScrutinizerbut actually I've seen FR boot up and reboot out of thin air occasionally (actually one or 2 times)
12:40.28ThibGit happened two times in the middle of the night
12:41.19gena2xi saw sudden reboots, but only then wdt is on
12:41.30gena2xThibG: ah, rtcwake!
12:41.30DocScrutinizer:nod:
12:41.44DocScrutinizerrtcwake shouldn't cause reboots
12:41.45gena2xalarms and etc
12:41.56ThibGI think it's rtcwake...
12:42.01ThibGjust checked out syslog
12:42.16gena2xDocScrutinizer: i am about ThibG situation - he told about shutdown
12:42.20ThibGthe first syslog entry is at 0206
12:42.30ThibGeach time
12:42.31DocScrutinizerwhy should system shutdown on rtcwake?
12:42.42ThibGno, no
12:42.47ThibGmy system is already shut down
12:42.49ThibGand wakes up
12:42.52DocScrutinizerooh
12:43.10DocScrutinizeryes ofcourse, that's obviously hwclock then
12:43.16DocScrutinizerRTC
12:43.57gena2xeh, so nice mistery
12:43.58DocScrutinizersomebody might have set a recurring daily alarm @ 02:05
12:44.04gena2xdemistified...
12:44.32DocScrutinizerRTC hw stores up, even over boot and short main bat removal
12:45.06gena2xif you didn't desolder your backup battery
12:45.40DocScrutinizeror remove main battery >60s and are one of the 95% with a borked backup bat ;-P
12:46.23ThibGhm, and how do you check the hardware clock settings and remove it?
12:46.42gena2xqtmoko has alarm settings
12:46.48DocScrutinizere.g ffalarms should use rtc
12:46.57SpeedEvil0206 is 127 minutes after midnight
12:47.09SpeedEvilor maybe 128
12:47.10DocScrutinizeralso there are linux cmdline tools
12:47.16gena2xUTC +2 is default timezone in qtmoko
12:47.23DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: nice catch
12:47.29SpeedEvilOr that
12:48.25gena2xsomething not really excellent with alarm in qtmoko, so you may find bugs.
12:48.39DocScrutinizerrtcwake (8)          - enter a system sleep state until specified wakeup time
12:48.48gena2xDocScrutinizer: yes, sorry
12:49.15gena2xhm.
12:49.36gena2xbad idea
12:49.45gena2xcan it boot on rtc?
12:52.23gena2xi think yes, if it can wake on rtc?
12:52.35gena2xbut is this implemented?
12:53.46gena2xor back to camera idea :)
12:55.45ThibGset an alarm in QtMoko and powered off my FR...
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12:57.44ThibGmy FR is booting!
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12:59.20gena2xnice
12:59.33gena2xi didn't thought about this.
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14:06.21DocScrutinizertold ya ffalarms does
14:06.41DocScrutinizerit's been tested to work since day 1 iirc
14:07.03DocScrutinizerthat's what fsoatd is all about afaik
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14:08.02gena2xDocScrutinizer: ok, i didn't use it as it is only in shr
14:08.24DocScrutinizerI see, your discretion :-)
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14:37.23viricHello all
14:37.57viricI think I'm a bit pushed to buying a phone, and wanting most freedom on software/hardware, I'm thinking about buying a Neo FreeRunner
14:39.10viricis there anything I should know about it?
14:39.15viric(anything bad)
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21:36.41Gabryshi guys
21:36.50GabrysI've done a new browser for SHR unstable
21:37.06Gabrysopkg install http://ffbrowser.com/ffbrowser-latest.ipk
21:37.23Gabrysit's more or less working, but some things just doesn't work yet
21:37.27Gabrysplease try anyways
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