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| 00:57.52 | Ar|stote|is | Hello, I have visited the shr blog and I've seen the last post being in may 2010 and I wanted to ask how is the project going. Has it stopped for summer vacation or something? |
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| 01:21.45 | Ar|stote|is | is there anyone here that can help me with a hardware problem i've been having with my a5 openmoko ? |
| 01:24.31 | SpeedEvil | What is it? |
| 01:27.04 | Ar|stote|is | my aux button is broken |
| 01:27.08 | Ar|stote|is | and needs resoldering |
| 01:27.19 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 01:27.22 | Ar|stote|is | problem is that i probably lost the actual button piece |
| 01:27.27 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 01:27.48 | Ar|stote|is | and i can't seem to find a product id number to order a new button from some electronics store |
| 01:27.51 | Ar|stote|is | i am in greece now |
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| 01:29.17 | Ar|stote|is | i am mostly in need of a product number so i can order a replacement for my button |
| 01:29.29 | Ar|stote|is | i dont think ill go and buy a7 just for a broken aux |
| 01:32.48 | SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer |
| 01:32.51 | SpeedEvil1 | ^ |
| 01:33.01 | SpeedEvil1 | Unsure what the part number is. |
| 01:33.09 | SpeedEvil1 | Can you work ta soldering iron? |
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| 01:57.12 | Ar|stote|is | ill get a mobile phone technician friend to do it |
| 01:57.22 | Ar|stote|is | i just need to bring him a spare button |
| 01:59.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer should know - he may be aslrep |
| 01:59.29 | SpeedEvil | you've looked at the schematic to see if it's listed? |
| 01:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | not anymore, I guess |
| 02:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | we had that topic last year |
| 02:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | If only I could remeber where exatly to search for it, and how |
| 02:00.46 | Ar|stote|is | i have a couple of pdfs but im not good at deciphering what i see |
| 02:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | could you please check the BOM in my peoples folder? |
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| 02:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | or wait 10 min, till I'm awake |
| 02:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | AUX KEY = SW1501 (label in schematic) |
| 02:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/BOM/BOM.xls |
| 02:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | find SW1501 |
| 02:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | SWITCH 4.7*3.5*1.6 SIDE PUSH SMT TYPE 4 PIN EVQPUD02K PANASONIC FOE GSM LR |
| 02:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | digikey.com |
| 02:16.01 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P10850STR-ND |
| 02:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=US&WT.z_homepage_link=hp_go_button&KeyWords=EVQPUD02K&x=24&y=18&=go |
| 02:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Only 28 cents |
| 02:16.15 | Ar|stote|is | yeah thats what i ve found |
| 02:16.15 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:16.23 | SpeedEvil | that's if you buy 4000. :) |
| 02:16.34 | Ar|stote|is | haha |
| 02:16.54 | Ar|stote|is | anyone wants 3999 ? |
| 02:17.04 | SpeedEvil | But 57 cents at 1 is quite reasonable |
| 02:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | .57 |
| 02:18.19 | Ar|stote|is | sure |
| 02:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | now leme prepare a 0x00C0FFEE |
| 02:18.32 | Ar|stote|is | @digikey.com ? |
| 02:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | see my above link, second row |
| 02:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P10850SCT-ND |
| 02:20.21 | Ar|stote|is | btw i have the a5 since im gonna buy that aux button replacement |
| 02:20.28 | Ar|stote|is | what else should i get ? |
| 02:21.35 | SpeedEvil | I would probably get a couple of each and the buttons |
| 02:21.40 | SpeedEvil | couple of each button |
| 02:21.55 | SpeedEvil | also - I'm unsure what parts are for the deep-sleep and otrher mods |
| 02:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | both same |
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| 02:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | ds: 10uF, buzzfix: see SOP.pdf |
| 02:22.44 | Ar|stote|is | each of what? ill get like 4-5 aux buttons but what else should i try and find ? |
| 02:23.34 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo_FreeRunner_reworks_and_mods |
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| 02:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | ds: 10http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site:http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/+1024&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=uF, buzzfix: see SOP.pdf |
| 02:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 02:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site:http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/+1024&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 02:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_oscillating_between_registered_and_not_registered |
| 02:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024#Hardware_bug_fixing |
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| 02:28.37 | Ar|stote|is | hm should i opt for an a7+ instead. all those stuff seem high technical to me... |
| 02:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ |
| 02:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-28 03:57:12] <Ar|stote|is> ill get a mobile phone technician friend to do it |
| 02:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | so you probably should ask him about that |
| 02:38.25 | Ar|stote|is | well ill sure do |
| 02:38.40 | Ar|stote|is | and since ive seen quite a buzz going on in barcelona |
| 02:38.54 | Ar|stote|is | if ill go there for erasmus this semester i may be able to fix it there |
| 02:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, both fixes are properly described, buzzfix in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Your friend should be able to tell if he feels capable to do these |
| 02:44.17 | Ar|stote|is | ill try and get it done. btw when will we see the first shr stable ? |
| 02:56.05 | Ar|stote|is | thanks again for all the information i hope that next time my fr will be operating smoothly once again |
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| 08:07.48 | djp_ | how do you import your contacts under shr-u right now? |
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| 08:10.11 | flack | djp i mean somewhere in setting/phone/ below is something like sim and there is maybe import conntacts |
| 08:11.02 | djp_ | flack: unable to access settings/other/sim manager. not working. settings won't open. |
| 08:11.28 | djp_ | also latest build (27 Aug), it appears shutdown is not working... |
| 08:11.32 | flack | djp_ mmt i have maybe also this bug |
| 08:12.01 | flack | djp_ and can you call to somebody? |
| 08:12.34 | djp_ | flack: not got that far yet! ;) |
| 08:13.04 | flack | on the top on the left side of battery indicator is indicator of signal... have you also like as I OFF? |
| 08:14.12 | djp_ | flack: 'none' at present |
| 08:14.37 | djp_ | flack: got a network now |
| 08:14.46 | djp_ | flack: you may need to reboot |
| 08:14.53 | flack | i have off :D but none i also seen sometime |
| 08:15.24 | flack | djp_ one man tell me this. |
| 08:15.37 | djp_ | suspend is working... |
| 08:15.41 | djp_ | shutdown isn't |
| 08:16.02 | djp_ | lock is working |
| 08:16.03 | flack | "you must switch off PIN" |
| 08:16.19 | flack | jj shutdown also not work for me |
| 08:16.38 | flack | try switch off pin |
| 08:16.42 | djp_ | i wondered if there was a way to import contacts via terminal |
| 08:17.07 | djp_ | flack: switch off pin? |
| 08:17.16 | flack | yes PIN code |
| 08:17.29 | djp_ | flack: what does this fix? |
| 08:17.51 | djp_ | and how do i do this? |
| 08:17.58 | flack | in SHR |
| 08:18.10 | flack | hmm i thing it is in /settings/phone |
| 08:18.32 | djp_ | flack: can't access settings/phone... :( |
| 08:18.33 | flack | but if you get "sim manager. not working. settings won't open." maybe not work also this PIN switch |
| 08:18.50 | flack | maybe this.. wait |
| 08:18.57 | djp_ | flack: how do you launch settings from terminal? |
| 08:19.11 | flack | i dont know what this work but somethimes also work for me |
| 08:19.12 | flack | /etc/init.d/phonefsod stop; killall fsogsmd; /etc/init.d/phonefsod start |
| 08:19.12 | flack | and then |
| 08:19.12 | flack | mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 08:19.13 | flack | org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetFunctionality full 1 PIN |
| 08:23.36 | flack | man tell me "SHR have some problems with FSO for this time"--but this tell me 2010/07/16 .. Today i have freerunner litle bit crashed? becouse few days ago i try do bazzfix with me friend but rezistor 0402 who must be placed instead another rezistor- we lost on carpet :D it si too much small |
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| 08:28.40 | flack | now i can not without this rezistor call to somewhere,, maybe it is bug like as you in SHR but qtmoko from uSD for me dont start xserver,, i have in NAND shr- this i dot want reflash if miss my rezistor .. becouse i dont know what can do this :D i trying firmware for this moment only at uSD... my status is now shr from nand not start GSM also not start from uSD.. qtmoko from uSD not start-i mean i have black screen if must start xserver or what. and n |
| 08:28.40 | flack | ow i can test hackable ... maybe if this work i can result if this me problem is from missing rezistor or no |
| 08:28.54 | flack | sry for poor english:D |
| 08:29.56 | flack | djp_ you have new reflash shr? becouse after reflash this not work offten ..try restart |
| 08:31.32 | djp_ | flack: yes latest build. i only want it on the fr to install debian... currently shr-u issues i've noticed... shutdown not working unable to access settings and the close/move to different app pop-up isn't working |
| 08:32.00 | djp_ | flack: apologies for my distinct lack of technical speak! ;) |
| 08:32.49 | flack | :D |
| 08:32.58 | djp_ | going afk... later flack :) |
| 08:33.08 | flack | ok later see you |
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| 09:21.18 | oliver | hi |
| 09:22.57 | Fox_Muldr | latest shr-u kernel 2.6.32.21 is missing the snd-pcm-oss module. therefore i have no sound in scummvm anymore. could i fetch the source for this kernel version somewhere to compile it myself? |
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| 09:35.21 | JaMa|GoNe | Fox_Muldr: http://gitorious.org/~jama/htc-msm-2-6-32/openmoko-kernel/commits/om-gta02-2.6.32 |
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| 09:36.50 | JaMa|GoNe | Fox_Muldr: but CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m |
| 09:37.08 | Fox_Muldr | JaMa|GoNe: i know this url but i thought there were only the patches for openmoko. but are these applied to a vanilla kernel or should i use "git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 |
| 09:37.08 | Fox_Muldr | " ? |
| 09:38.46 | JaMa|GoNe | Fox_Muldr: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32_git.bb |
| 09:39.31 | JaMa|GoNe | Fox_Muldr: but I still don't see the problem http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/om-gta02/kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss_2.6.32.21-oe3.3+gitr6+a9254be10ac2294ea20165a87c09ea6afcf66d94-r0.5_om-gta02.ipk |
| 09:39.48 | Fox_Muldr | JaMa|GoNe: hmm ok |
| 09:39.58 | Fox_Muldr | JaMa|GoNe: so there are not all modules installed by default? |
| 09:40.17 | Fox_Muldr | JaMa|GoNe: should it be just so simple... :) |
| 09:40.18 | JaMa|GoNe | no only those really needed |
| 09:40.50 | Fox_Muldr | JaMa|GoNe: thanks. than my problem was solved without compiling a new kernel ;) |
| 09:41.05 | JaMa|GoNe | y |
| 09:43.28 | Fox_Muldr | but i see that the top shelf gsm icon still has problems since weeks and with latest updates. after suspend it shows "off" but gsm still works :/ |
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| 09:59.36 | Fox_Muldr | since the change from 2.6.29 to 2.6.32 in shr-u the gsm functionality is no more reliable. before that update i used it as my main phone but since than i couldn't. is there any workaround to get the gsm function stable working again? |
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| 10:07.25 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: have you reported that as a bug? |
| 10:07.42 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: since GSM is just a |
| 10:08.08 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: since GSM is just a serial port to the kernel 2.6.32 should not strictly speaking be able to cause any GSM specific issues |
| 10:08.25 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: I mean, it should affect GPS as well if it's a serial port bug |
| 10:09.02 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: the problem is that gsm and suspend seems not to work very good together. i didn't try gps in the last few weeks |
| 10:09.45 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: well because of http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349 I don't think I'm going to run 2.6.32 for any time soon |
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| 10:10.28 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: after suspend quite often gsm disappears. this bug is also a big problem for the fr because of the low standby time |
| 10:11.52 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: it would be best if shr-u would have an easy way to switch back to the latest 2.6.29 which worked quite good until the problems with the .32 kernel are removed |
| 10:12.45 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: and i don't mean to reflash the whole system back to an older image ;) |
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| 10:17.47 | Fox_Muldr | i would also use debian as main os but last time i checked there was no half useable phone applications available. i read that the shr phone apps (which i like) would be integrated into the debian feeds but at the moment they aren't working at all |
| 10:18.16 | Fox_Muldr | and zhone is no useable phone application for me ;) |
| 10:20.25 | PaulF | And my emacs ui just works |
| 10:21.36 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: disappears? |
| 10:22.08 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: just install older kernel package? |
| 10:23.06 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: as i read in the ml the older kernels in shr-u doen't work anymore without changing a few things in the system/fso. but i don't know what to change |
| 10:23.37 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: argh :) |
| 10:23.51 | lindi- | hardcoding sysfs paths is a bad idea |
| 10:24.33 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: i don't know what exactly has changed between .29 and .32 but also touchscreen things have changed and works not the same way as before |
| 10:24.49 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: yep |
| 10:27.31 | pabs3 | hmmmm, my SHR-u install is giving wsod every time X starts |
| 10:28.35 | flack | pabs3, glamo update? |
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| 10:29.17 | pabs3 | not sure, does opkg have a log? |
| 10:29.44 | pabs3 | fun, sshd isn't listening either |
| 10:29.50 | pabs3 | reboots to Debian |
| 10:30.26 | flack | pabs3, try maybe this kernel image http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/shrkernel_nows/ |
| 10:30.28 | pabs3 | fun, no power-off after 10 seconds of power button |
| 10:30.52 | lindi- | pabs3: imho that was a stupid feature anyway |
| 10:30.57 | Fox_Muldr | 2.6.32 doesn't seem to have this 10s shutdown anymore |
| 10:31.06 | flack | pabs3, after reflash you restart device? |
| 10:31.09 | lindi- | pabs3: it prevented me from using power button to control audio dictation |
| 10:31.31 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: i think it was a very usefull feature i case the fr hung ;) |
| 10:31.56 | pabs3 | lindi-: I find it nice since otherwise my clock gets reset to 1999 when I need to reboot because the UI isn't responsive |
| 10:31.57 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: I use watchdog for that |
| 10:32.22 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: if you shutdown you won't see why it hung |
| 10:32.33 | pabs3 | is there a tutorial on how to setup the watchdog thing on Debian? |
| 10:32.43 | lindi- | pabs3: apt-get install watchdog? |
| 10:32.52 | pabs3 | that all? |
| 10:32.53 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: hmm i never used the watchdog before. is there somewhere a docu for it? |
| 10:33.00 | pabs3 | expected some configuration |
| 10:33.01 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: in the watchdog package |
| 10:33.33 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: ok than i will take a look into it in the next days :) |
| 10:33.54 | lindi- | pabs3: not much. you enable it in /etc/default/watchdog |
| 10:33.57 | pabs3 | flack: I always upgrade with opkg rather than reflashing. and this is on every boot |
| 10:34.03 | pabs3 | goes for it |
| 10:34.23 | pabs3 | lindi-: perhaps that should be in the default install from install.sh/d-i |
| 10:34.32 | lindi- | pabs3: I don't think so |
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| 10:34.54 | pabs3 | why is that? |
| 10:35.34 | lindi- | pabs3: if you don't know what it is it can be confusing |
| 10:36.10 | Fox_Muldr | lindi-: but watchdogs work in the background so no one will get notice of it if nothing happens, right? |
| 10:36.25 | lindi- | Fox_Muldr: well unless you try to do kernel debugging |
| 10:36.31 | lindi- | :) |
| 10:36.57 | lindi- | It's also an extra process that stricly speaking should not be necessary |
| 10:37.03 | pabs3 | arghs at Debian suspending while on USB |
| 10:37.17 | lindi- | pabs3: thank fso's autosuspend :) |
| 10:37.45 | pabs3 | it didn't always do that |
| 10:37.45 | PaulF | I'm rather unhappy about autosuspend not working after i actually disconnect it from usb. |
| 10:37.55 | PaulF | Most probably due to oeventsd bugs |
| 10:39.04 | pabs3 | in other news, hex-a-hop is mostly playable on the FR (even with intone/mplayer running, best in landscape mode) |
| 10:39.23 | Fox_Muldr | pabs3: what is hex-a-hop? |
| 10:39.49 | pabs3 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/hex-a-hop |
| 10:40.07 | Fox_Muldr | ah http://hexahop.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:42.48 | pabs3 | right |
| 10:43.05 | Fox_Muldr | looks funny |
| 10:43.09 | pabs3 | anyone know if folks are working on glamo support in mesa |
| 10:43.11 | pabs3 | ? |
| 10:45.07 | Fox_Muldr | now its time for breakfast. cu later |
| 10:47.11 | JaMa|GoNe | pabs3: Weiss |
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| 12:21.28 | oliver_ | bye |
| 12:25.34 | Weiss | pabs3: yep, I haven't been very active recently |
| 12:26.29 | SpeedEvil | weis - interesting |
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| 12:54.59 | gena2x | Weiss: are you doing opengl? |
| 12:55.02 | pabs3 | Weiss: oh, ping, whatever happened with the Debian + OpenMooCow issue?? |
| 12:55.25 | gena2x | Weiss: hi btw :) |
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| 13:02.27 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 13:02.41 | Weiss | pabs3: with ALSA etc? that's SDL's fault.. |
| 13:03.47 | pabs3 | Weiss: aye. Debian SDL or SDL upstream? |
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| 13:21.58 | Weiss | pabs3: no idea.. SDL claims to support ALSA at least, and IIRC in Debian it's enabled, so.. |
| 13:29.44 | gena2x | Weiss: month ago i asked you to comment/do proper fix for the 2-4-2 WSOD problem with newer compilators. Now it known that this patch also fixes 4-4-4 roration WS. anything new about this patch? |
| 13:30.34 | gena2x | Weiss: Martin added mdelay version to shr, and it is even tested now. |
| 13:31.15 | gena2x | Weiss: if you can't/won't do anything with it, should it be commited as it is to kernel git, as it fixes seroius promlem? |
| 13:33.09 | radekp | gena2x: i have that patch also in qtmoko-v26, will tell you if it works soon (flashing image now) |
| 13:33.59 | gena2x | radekp: thanks, would be nice to know will it help qvga switch. |
| 13:34.45 | radekp | gena2x: it will be very useful if it works - because watching videos in qvga until now caused WS very very often |
| 13:36.26 | gena2x | radekp: would be nice, but unfortunately, it is only workaround |
| 13:38.15 | gena2x | radekp: so it would be good to have something better, commint it as it is somewhere sound wrong anyway. but of course, if no choise, better to have no WSes with workaround than WSes with nothing. |
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| 13:47.03 | radekp | gena2x: i think 1 line workaround is quite good solution :) |
| 13:49.15 | radekp | gena2x: btw i have set CONFIG_BOOT_PRINTK_DELAY and measured power consumtion with .34 kernel with ammeter, no actual result yet, but i think comparing with .29 kernel could get us somewhere |
| 13:49.30 | gena2x | radekp: wow, nice |
| 13:50.26 | gena2x | radekp: i thought that will be better to add reading from current_now and print it after proper delay |
| 13:50.50 | radekp | yup maybe |
| 13:51.06 | gena2x | radekp: other option may be to make video :) |
| 13:51.20 | radekp | gena2x: :) |
| 13:51.26 | gena2x | but current_now seems better to do analisis :) |
| 13:51.35 | radekp | g2g for now, c u later |
| 13:51.43 | gena2x | cu |
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| 15:41.06 | Arigead | Hello Openmoko, just flashed shr and they've changed the way things work. Anybody know how to kill an app? used to be a drop down menu when you clicked the top of the screen |
| 15:44.47 | cz_jc | Arigead, what about the old fashioned way? kill and killall |
| 15:45.31 | JaMa|GoNe | Arigead: if the drop down menu doesn't work for you, kill and start shr_elm_softkey process (happens if you spend >10s in 1st time wizard on 1st boot) |
| 15:45.34 | Arigead | cz_jc: I mean from the gui don't have me typing in commands to kill the contacts window |
| 15:45.39 | Arigead | ;-) |
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| 15:48.47 | Arigead | JaMa|Gone:Ah thanks a million that works perfect. Happy again. Built this whole image on an eeePC so I'm chuffed with meself. Small steps |
| 15:52.41 | radekp | gena2x: WS fix works on 2.6.29 kernel, finally no more WS after years :) |
| 15:53.00 | radekp | gena2x: again many thanks |
| 15:53.42 | PaulF | radekp: sorry for asking, but can you give me a link to the patch? :) |
| 15:54.49 | gena2x | radekp: excellent! :) |
| 15:55.19 | gena2x | PaulF: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/gcc44wsfix.diff |
| 15:55.34 | gena2x | just find similar place in your kernel |
| 15:55.51 | PaulF | gena2x: wow, thanks :) |
| 15:56.13 | radekp | PaulF: or this is for 2.6.29 http://github.com/radekp/linux-2.6/commit/c6c9bdc23afafd5bc9820ef12ae636cc09c40fb7 |
| 15:56.40 | PaulF | gena2x: so one fucking mdelay was it? |
| 15:57.35 | gena2x | it's not proper fix, only workaround. proper thing will need some glamo understanding. |
| 15:57.54 | gena2x | and nobody knows it it is _last_ WS :) |
| 15:58.29 | radekp | gena2x: i tried switching to qvga in qmplayer many times and no WS, it used to be like 70% chance of WS before |
| 15:58.53 | radekp | gena2x: and i tried rotating with xrandr many times and it's now 100% ok too |
| 15:58.59 | gena2x | radekp: yeah, but this not means that no more WSes exist :) |
| 15:59.10 | lindi- | radekp: just rotating would cause WS? |
| 15:59.40 | gena2x | radekp: i am using it for month |
| 15:59.40 | lindi- | radekp: like while true; do om screen resolution normal; om screen resolution qvga-normal; done? |
| 15:59.50 | radekp | lindi-: yes, it did with like 50% chance before on 2.6.29 and it was 100% WS on 2.6.32 |
| 15:59.59 | lindi- | tries |
| 16:00.19 | PaulF | gena2x: how did you find that workaround? |
| 16:00.38 | lindi- | radekp: qmplayer? no Xorg running? |
| 16:00.53 | gena2x | PaulF: just thought hard why damn 2-4-2 causes wsod on boot |
| 16:01.56 | gena2x | PaulF: look throught code, did random guesses, found this place. checked. worked. amazed. i knew also that WSOD is actually hardly influenced by gcc version |
| 16:02.06 | lindi- | radekp: i=0; while true; do echo $i; i=$(expr $i + 1); om screen resolution normal; sleep 1; om screen resolution qvga-normal; sleep 1; done has ran for 20 iterations now on 2.6.29, no WS |
| 16:02.10 | gena2x | PaulF: so this should be some kind os delay thing |
| 16:02.36 | gena2x | s/os/of/ |
| 16:03.02 | PaulF | gena2x: it's weird how some many guys who read glamo docs extensively didn't notice that place. |
| 16:04.03 | Weiss | because the docs don't mention random delays the HE is fussy about.. |
| 16:04.20 | PaulF | HE? |
| 16:04.30 | Weiss | beyond a few key things, there's nothing much about timings |
| 16:04.33 | Weiss | HW* |
| 16:04.38 | gena2x | PaulF: this place look promising for me, as it does 'reg_write_lcd' and then one more 'reg_write_lcd' without anything in between. i had idea (because i read much glamo code before) that this may be right place |
| 16:05.35 | gena2x | so just added one delay first, then commented it and added one above and one below to check if problem is really here not general delay |
| 16:05.44 | PaulF | gena2x: yeah, i saw that and thought the same (after seeing your patch of course) :) |
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| 16:05.50 | gena2x | one above/below didn't work |
| 16:06.10 | gena2x | after that i sent all this to Thomas to get proper fix |
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| 16:06.26 | gena2x | with appropriate comments |
| 16:06.34 | gena2x | that's all - no magic. |
| 16:07.32 | gena2x | and as Thomas were busy in real life, i just announced it a bit wider - asked jama to include it to SHR |
| 16:07.53 | gena2x | as this allow people to use 2-4-2. |
| 16:08.19 | gena2x | and i didn't test it too much on 4-4-4 because i didn't care about it too much |
| 16:08.34 | vanous|away | gena2x: also it finally allows to use screen rotation, which is very seldom used now imho |
| 16:08.52 | gena2x | i think rotatation is small value |
| 16:08.56 | gena2x | for me |
| 16:09.09 | gena2x | just because i am fan of precise colors |
| 16:09.33 | gena2x | but on our lcd colors are chinging depending on angle of view |
| 16:09.40 | vanous|away | well, i think we learned to live without it... like landscape keyboard |
| 16:10.29 | gena2x | so, it's annoying to me to see openmoko in direction, other than from bottom. |
| 16:10.57 | gena2x | lindi-: this may depend on compiler, which is used to build kernel |
| 16:11.25 | gena2x | lindi-: i've found that even with 2-4-2, it is ok with gcc-4.1 on boot, but nok with gcc-4.4 |
| 16:11.57 | gena2x | lindi-: i've told you to try this patch multiple times, but it didn't meet your requirements |
| 16:21.40 | vanous|away | gena2x: so 2-4-2 is generally setting some values in glamo registers? |
| 16:22.34 | gena2x | vanous|away: no, it setting values to CPU (S3C2440) memory bank . |
| 16:23.09 | gena2x | vanous|away: glamo is connected to our CPU memory interface. for cpu it is just piece of SRAM |
| 16:23.21 | vanous|away | i understand this can be done during the boot or anytime later? |
| 16:23.43 | gena2x | vanous|away: sure, but proper place for setting such things is bootloader |
| 16:23.55 | vanous|away | i mean, you can undo it...? |
| 16:24.03 | gena2x | vanous|away: sure |
| 16:24.24 | gena2x | vanous|away: it's just basically writing 1 int to memory |
| 16:24.38 | gena2x | vanous|away: you may use my memwrite tool to do it. |
| 16:26.25 | gena2x | vanous|away: or a little bit evil lindi-'s omhacks tool. he added support for changing this yesterday, and the reason of baing a bit evil seem that i were a bit unhappy with description he added to it :) |
| 16:27.12 | vanous|away | gena2x: i looked but haven't seen any commit about this yet... |
| 16:27.25 | gena2x | and my unhapappiness were strongly grounded :) |
| 16:27.50 | gena2x | vanous|away: you may try memwrite tool at any moment to try 2-4-2 |
| 16:28.22 | vanous|away | where does memwrite grow? |
| 16:29.06 | gena2x | http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/timings/ |
| 16:29.17 | gena2x | c and binary for debian |
| 16:29.30 | gena2x | wait a bit command line... |
| 16:29.55 | vanous|away | yup |
| 16:31.21 | gena2x | memwrite $((0x48000008)) $((0x1380)) |
| 16:31.28 | gena2x | for 2-4-2 |
| 16:31.54 | radekp | lindi-: yes qmplayer uses mplayer with glamo acceleration |
| 16:32.15 | lindi- | vanous|away, you can pull it from iki.fi/lindigit/omhacks while I wait for enrico to review the changes |
| 16:32.23 | lindi- | s/lindigit/lindi\/git/ |
| 16:32.53 | gena2x | vanous|away: notice old value then you'll set 2-4-2 and use it to switch back |
| 16:33.23 | gena2x | vanous|away: only pay attention to byte order |
| 16:33.41 | vanous|away | gena2x: just in case, reboot resets these? |
| 16:33.54 | gena2x | vanous|away: normally, this is set in bootloader |
| 16:34.13 | vanous|away | ok |
| 16:34.25 | gena2x | do not worry at all about you hardware, i think i set many extreme values and nothing really died |
| 16:34.50 | vanous|away | :) |
| 16:35.00 | gena2x | nothing should happen anyway as you only change memory bus settings |
| 16:35.10 | gena2x | only bad thing may happen |
| 16:35.50 | gena2x | if you send some bad values (2-4-2 is not bad) while work in progress, you may loose or get wrong data written/read from sd card |
| 16:35.55 | gena2x | as it is on same bus |
| 16:36.32 | gena2x | i hit that multiple times while testing and just restored my sd from backup |
| 16:37.01 | gena2x | but in general your system will work even with completely non-working sd access |
| 16:37.27 | gena2x | and will restore than you'll set some correct values back |
| 16:38.07 | gena2x | so, be careful with byte order :) |
| 16:39.15 | vanous|away | ok |
| 16:41.58 | vanous|away | i have set 2-4-2, will observe what happens, i.e. ws |
| 16:43.40 | gena2x | better observe general speed increase please :) |
| 16:45.57 | vanous|away | gena2x: if no params are given, values of 0 are set? |
| 16:46.06 | gena2x | nope |
| 16:46.20 | gena2x | if no params it not writes but reads instead |
| 16:46.30 | gena2x | i mean if second param is not set |
| 16:46.58 | gena2x | if first param is not set it will just segfault, giving a hint this is wrong way to run it |
| 16:47.01 | gena2x | ;) |
| 16:48.34 | vanous|away | :) |
| 16:49.10 | vanous|away | i guess i set some funny values via --help but then i set the $((0x48000008)) $((0x1380)) |
| 16:49.50 | vanous|away | gena2x: what is the 4-4-4 ? |
| 16:50.02 | gena2x | default |
| 16:50.17 | gena2x | actual this is 0-4-4-4-0, sram timings |
| 16:50.54 | gena2x | check s3c manual for meaning, it has nice picture if you want to understand it better |
| 16:51.11 | gena2x | 'SRAM timings' or something like this |
| 16:51.57 | gena2x | vanous|away: no, with one parameter (--help), it can't set anything |
| 16:52.05 | gena2x | it will attempt only read |
| 16:52.17 | vanous|away | ok |
| 16:52.25 | gena2x | from 0x0 i think, and segfault |
| 16:53.02 | gena2x | hm. easier to add 2 lines to program to display help than describe it even once :) |
| 16:53.08 | gena2x | i'll learn this. |
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| 17:01.38 | vanous|away | hmm, shr-u 2.6.32.21, mplayer gives me :No Glamo chip found or the kerne is old. Found SMedia Glamo 3362, with 3365 core, rev A2 |
| 17:02.13 | vanous|away | gotta go out now, bbl |
| 17:37.41 | vanous|away | gena2x: i rebooted and tried what is the feeling with default timings |
| 17:37.48 | vanous|away | then i applied 2-4-2 |
| 17:38.15 | vanous|away | i have to say it is really hard for me to objectively see what the difference is |
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| 17:40.05 | vanous|away | i will try again |
| 17:42.42 | gena2x | vanous|away: it is quite possible |
| 17:43.16 | gena2x | with accerated glamo cpu<->glamo transfer is really rare i think, need Weiss to explain. |
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| 17:44.07 | gena2x | also i noticed that effect in software mplayer is much smaller in one version of mplayer, and bigger in other. |
| 17:44.22 | gena2x | but this were also with different kernels |
| 17:44.54 | gena2x | the glamo is already pretty fast i think. |
| 17:45.18 | gena2x | so best way to see is software video decoding |
| 17:45.26 | SpeedEvil | The glamo is fast, the bus to it is very, verry slow. |
| 17:45.32 | SpeedEvil | But I expect you know that |
| 17:45.45 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: i don't agreed with this opinion |
| 17:46.03 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: even more, i think it is not true |
| 17:46.05 | SpeedEvil | The bus is 7Mbytes/second |
| 17:46.07 | oliver | bye |
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| 17:46.16 | SpeedEvil | between the CPU and the glamo. |
| 17:46.20 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: this is sure not true |
| 17:46.35 | SpeedEvil | This was from raster. |
| 17:46.42 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: please read my mail about practical measurement of glamo bus speed |
| 17:46.47 | SpeedEvil | url? |
| 17:47.07 | gena2x | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-July/062495.html |
| 17:47.27 | gena2x | it contains exact measures, both practical and theoretical |
| 17:48.14 | gena2x | also add up this measurement to understand what is source of 7Mb/s: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-July/062504.html |
| 17:48.43 | gena2x | add up debuggin kernel to that, and you'll get your 7Mb/s |
| 17:49.13 | SpeedEvil | Interesting - I hadn't been following this as I have gta01. |
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| 17:50.14 | gena2x | this is the facts i see, so forget about 7Mb/s. |
| 17:51.34 | vanous|around | gena2x: i have to say that here i have been trying to see if i can notice speedup of my address list. pretty hard to see, i must say, but perhaps i can see a difference. i will try later again scrolling on illume2 home, atm i have it disabled. |
| 17:52.47 | gena2x | it's not 'magic 200% boost', only 33%, i think e is also doing much things which influence scroll speed aside of glamo |
| 17:53.27 | gena2x | e scrolling i thing i do not like much. |
| 17:53.32 | gena2x | and never liked |
| 17:54.01 | gena2x | because of redraw paradigm |
| 17:54.07 | gena2x | on each frame |
| 17:55.07 | gena2x | but i can't say pretty nothing about details. that's why i am not using shr... |
| 17:56.00 | gena2x | among other reasons |
| 17:58.14 | PaulF | gena2x: i guess raster elaborated pretty much extensively on the redraw paradigm and the bottomline was that if you want multi-layered fancy graphics, it's the best option for modern devices. |
| 18:02.16 | gena2x | PaulF: i feel absouletely no need in modern graphics, instead i need fast, usable interface, smallest battery consumption, ability to install reach set of open software software, friendly community. |
| 18:03.04 | gena2x | gnome, kde and windows interfaces are too slow for me on desktop. |
| 18:04.05 | gena2x | so i have to use wmaker, xterm, xpdf. i do not wait while 'modern interface' animation will anymate something, eating my time and watts. |
| 18:04.14 | PaulF | gena2x: mupdf is even faster |
| 18:04.24 | PaulF | gena2x: only tiling WMs for me |
| 18:04.32 | PaulF | gena2x: other than that, ack :) |
| 18:06.19 | gena2x | PaulF: so, e may be good... for whose who want to watch pretty same anymations 1000 times, like gnome-terminal may be good for someone on desktop. just not for me. |
| 18:06.35 | gena2x | s/anym/anim/ |
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| 18:18.58 | djp_ | anyone know how to shutdown shr-u from terminal? i tried shutdown -h now, but it returns a permission denied |
| 18:20.45 | PaulF | djp_: probably "poweroff"? |
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| 18:21.33 | djp_ | PaulF: nope |
| 18:22.32 | PaulF | telinit 6 ? :))) |
| 18:22.51 | PaulF | or 0 |
| 18:23.35 | djp_ | PaulF: cheers. telinit 0 did the trick |
| 18:26.12 | gena2x | i want to make some video of modern freerunner distribution (read qtmoko), just too few videos about it this year. i have average web-camera (uvc) and want to push video to utube. it will be my first video xp in linux, and at all. i know photography pretty vell. so, my question :) any recommendations about toolchain? i've found uvccapture->ffmpeg->cinelerra. |
| 18:26.48 | gena2x | anyone can recommend sothing better/or just share expierence of making videos in linux? |
| 18:30.29 | PaulF | gena2x: i know one can also capture with mencoder. |
| 18:31.19 | PaulF | gena2x: also i used avidemux several times for some easy video-related work (cutting commercials from tv recordings). |
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| 18:39.13 | gena2x | PaulF: read about it, thanks for link. |
| 18:42.30 | PaulF | gena2x: (photgraphy) my friend complaints there's nothing analogous to Lightroom (features- and performance-wise), can you suggest something? |
| 18:46.09 | vanous|around | gena2x: i used avidemux for this but had tried kdenlive and this was good too |
| 18:46.46 | vanous|around | plus some conversions with ffmpeg and mencoder |
| 18:47.26 | vanous|around | gena2x: keep the size big, so people can see it in higher resolution to observe details |
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| 18:48.33 | gena2x | PaulF: ah, i'm sure not pro, so my workflow is rawstudio->gimp->rarely print via gutenprint. this works very well, but lacks of some features. everything else i tryed segfaults, miss must-have features or slow below usability. my monitor is wide-gamut so i am attempting to be very careful to have proper color managment support. extremly few tools do proper color management. |
| 18:49.28 | gena2x | PaulF: i thing also quite promising is http://darktable.sourceforge.net/, but it is very slow. |
| 18:51.10 | gena2x | PaulF: also i prefer 'album is directory' paradigm, so this limits my tools too. |
| 18:51.13 | PaulF | gena2x: yes, she says every tool is too slow, much slower than Lightroom |
| 18:51.34 | gena2x | rawstudio is pretty fast |
| 18:52.06 | gena2x | and last years many tools appear out of nothing in linux, i didn't review them recently |
| 18:52.34 | gena2x | darktable appear in 2009, but look extremly promising |
| 18:53.45 | PaulF | gena2x: you can see her works here: http://odpium.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
| 18:54.07 | gena2x | PaulF: also, some commercical tools exist, i think they may fullfeel needs of more professional photographers, as they are same for windows/linux (java i think), but i can't recall names. |
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| 19:00.08 | gena2x | PaulF: ah, looks very good, i can say excellent. i have no such sense of beauty to make my photography an art. i am using it mostly to shot places where i were. |
| 19:02.08 | radekp | gena2x: if you make video then please do it with qtmoko v26 - it can be downloaded now from sourceforge page |
| 19:02.17 | radekp | gena2x: it has new cool theme |
| 19:02.57 | gena2x | radekp: yeaaahh! :) flashing! |
| 19:02.58 | radekp | gena2x: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/finximod_home.png |
| 19:03.07 | radekp | gena2x: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/finximod_dialer.png |
| 19:03.25 | radekp | gena2x: i hope i havent made any new bugs... |
| 19:03.47 | gena2x | radekp: i'll inform you. looks very nice. very. |
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| 19:14.18 | gena2x | radekp: my video camera is not very good. it lacks even dynamic range to get all colors of fr display, so don't expect something very good. i just basically want to show that modern fr software is very usable |
| 19:15.22 | gena2x | PaulF: http://www.bsdmn.com/elbrus/_igp3835_01.jpg, this is example of my photo. taken from Elbrus at ~4100. :) |
| 19:29.42 | PaulF | gena2x: i bet it was a unique feeling up there. |
| 19:34.58 | gena2x | PaulF: pretty too many people and cold. but view... i enjoyed every moment of it. wanted to climb up to top, but weather didn't allow. it's pretty easy, only really sudden weather change may kill you, but climb itself is not hard at all. |
| 19:35.30 | gena2x | s/kill you/dangerous/ :) |
| 19:35.56 | gena2x | as car on street can kill too. |
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