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| 22:47.51 | Ken-Young | When I run LEDCLOCK on my Freerunner, the time it displays is one hour in the past. The system shows the proper time otherwise (for instance on the toolbar and via the shell date command). Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:49.57 | SpeedEvil | timezone I assume? |
| 22:50.03 | SpeedEvil | Poke the devel about TZ? |
| 22:50.58 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, I've got the timezone set correctly. It shows the right timezone when I type "date". |
| 22:52.04 | Ken-Young | And I've checked that /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are correct. |
| 22:55.27 | lindi- | Ken-Young: what is ledclock? |
| 22:57.13 | Ken-Young | lindi-, LEDCLOCK is a nice application which makes the Freerunner act like an old-style digital clock of the type often found in hotels. |
| 22:57.32 | SpeedEvil | I mean it seems likely to be a TZ issue in LEDclock |
| 22:57.33 | SpeedEvil | somehow |
| 22:57.51 | Ken-Young | It shows the time in simulated large red 7-segment LEDs. It is easy to read at night, like a hotel room alarm clock. |
| 22:58.22 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, I agree. I'm just puzzled by why none of the other time indicators on the phone show the wrong time. |
| 22:58.29 | lindi- | Ken-Young: it sounds openmoko specific |
| 22:58.38 | Ken-Young | lindi-, I think it is. |
| 22:58.54 | lindi- | (and that usually implies crappy quality..) |
| 22:59.02 | lindi- | Ken-Young: but what's the url? |
| 22:59.36 | Ken-Young | lindi-, Try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock |
| 23:00.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ken-Young: hasn't ffalarms also such LED clock? |
| 23:00.19 | lindi- | it does "cd /usr/local/ledclock; ./ledclock.py"? huh? |
| 23:01.05 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, THat's a good point. I haven't tried ffalarms in a while, but I remember it was handy. I'll try that. |
| 23:02.57 | lindi- | Ken-Young: it seems to display int(time.time() - time.timezone), |
| 23:03.33 | Ken-Young | lindi-, It's probably handling "daylight savings time" improperly. |
| 23:04.04 | lindi- | a clock should not try to handle that itself |
| 23:04.13 | Ken-Young | It's displaying the time one hour in the past, as if the timezone info didn't know about summer rules. |
| 23:04.27 | Ken-Young | lindi-, I wholeheartedly agree. |
| 23:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | howls like a wolf |
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| 23:14.09 | Ken-Young | lindi-, Thanks for pointing out how the code was handling the timezone. It was easy to edit the file and fix the problem. Yea python! |
| 23:14.48 | Ken-Young | Although it doesn't fix the underlying bad design choice. |
| 23:20.49 | lindi- | it has things like |
| 23:20.49 | lindi- | except AttributeError: |
| 23:20.49 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.02 | lindi- | which seem to mask some of the bugs it has |
| 23:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | >>> print time.asctime() |
| 23:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | Thu Aug 19 01:22:52 2010 |
| 23:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | which - btw - is correct wrt both TZ and DST |
| 23:23.52 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yeah but that's a string |
| 23:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | >>> print time.localtime( ) |
| 23:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | time.struct_time(tm_year=2010, tm_mon=8, tm_mday=19, tm_hour=1, tm_min=26, tm_sec=11, tm_wday=3, tm_yday=231, tm_isdst=1) |
| 23:27.27 | lindi- | yep |
| 23:27.58 | lindi- | except of course that in debian stable it is |
| 23:27.59 | lindi- | >>> time.localtime() |
| 23:27.59 | lindi- | (2010, 8, 19, 2, 27, 51, 3, 231, 1) |
| 23:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | this looks pretty much like a config option for printing of non-ascii and esp structured data |
| 23:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | (damn my last py coding is some 8 years ago it seems) |
| 23:32.19 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yeah python keeps changing all the time |
| 23:32.36 | lindi- | writing a portable python app is a true challenge :) |
| 23:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I couldn't see any sane rationale why anybody might want to use jiffies-since-epoch_UTC_int for printing HH:MM with whatever typefont |
| 23:35.12 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yeah localtime() is the way to go |
| 23:35.22 | lindi- | plus maybe handling milliseconds manually |
| 23:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | microseconds! |
| 23:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | bah femtoseconds |
| 23:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, the displayed time wouldn't be correct anymore by the moment the photons leave the glass og the LCD :-P |
| 23:39.54 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 23:40.04 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: did you hear about my gps experiments btw? |
| 23:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | not axactly |
| 23:40.52 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: in http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/gps/experiment/4/marker1.jpg you see a white aerial photography marker |
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| 23:41.18 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: in http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/gps/experiment/4/screenshot4.png you see a GPS trace that I got when I moved the gps receiver along the edges of the marker, units are in meters |
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| 23:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | heh nice :-D |
| 23:43.12 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss-gps/2010-August/000407.html has some more plots |
| 23:44.47 | lindi- | mentioning the finite speed of photons just made me instantly think of RTK GPS which is based on measuring the phase of the gps signal |
| 23:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^^ check that! |
| 23:45.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:46.45 | SpeedEvil | yewhat GPS hardware is this with? |
| 23:46.56 | lindi- | I just have two poor openmokos |
| 23:47.08 | SpeedEvil | you're just comparing the raw position outputs? |
| 23:47.35 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: the earlier emails document the parameters that I'm giving to rtklib |
| 23:47.53 | SpeedEvil | NEt is going 128K right now. |
| 23:48.07 | lindi- | ? |
| 23:48.08 | SpeedEvil | Are you simply taking the NMEA postion outputs, or are you doing something else |
| 23:48.17 | SpeedEvil | Hence looing up stuff is annoying |
| 23:48.27 | SpeedEvil | look |
| 23:49.17 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: ah |
| 23:49.34 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: no nmea, i'm reading rxm-raw and rxm-sfrb ubx messages |
| 23:49.41 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 23:49.47 | SpeedEvil | That's 'boring' then to me. |
| 23:50.00 | SpeedEvil | As it's expected, and I can't do it on any hardware I have. |
| 23:50.42 | lindi- | well.. |
| 23:50.49 | SpeedEvil | Also - I would want to see long-term measurements. |
| 23:51.10 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: I had to change one byte in the memory of the gps chip to enable this |
| 23:51.12 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS - the drift velocity can be quite small |
| 23:51.43 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I haven't uploaded the drift velocity curves oops. |
| 23:51.52 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: feel free, my emails contain multiple long measurements in raw format |
| 23:51.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 23:52.08 | SpeedEvil | Can't look at them now. Stupid DSL. |
| 23:52.56 | lindi- | n900? |
| 23:53.00 | SpeedEvil | change one byte - how? |
| 23:53.02 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | ublox is really *open* |
| 23:53.16 | SpeedEvil | And yes, I could logon using the n900 as a bridge |
| 23:53.22 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: well there's this ubx command to write to RAM |
| 23:53.34 | SpeedEvil | That would involve getting out of bed. |
| 23:53.53 | SpeedEvil | why are you needing to write to RAM? |
| 23:54.27 | lindi- | well otherwise RXM-RAW does not work :) |
| 23:54.30 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | friggin exciting |
| 23:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | so those old bricks turn into cm-precision DGPS devices :-D |
| 23:55.38 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: I had to up the baudrate to get data at 20 Hz |
| 23:55.44 | lindi- | and hit a kernel bug in the process |
| 23:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's real big news :-))) |
| 23:56.35 | lindi- | but rtklib is really not very easy to use. I still need to figure out how to get the realtime mode work |
| 23:56.42 | lindi- | i have no idea if openmoko is fast enough to run it locally |
| 23:57.23 | SpeedEvil | Neart. |
| 23:57.29 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
| 23:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | actually |
| 23:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 23:57.53 | SpeedEvil | Old idea. |
| 23:57.57 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS :) |
| 23:58.15 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: AGPS does not have much to do with RTK |
| 23:58.45 | SpeedEvil | It does - sort of. |
| 23:59.03 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: usually agps only includes sending almanac and ephemeris |
| 23:59.14 | SpeedEvil | AGPS varies hugely. |
| 23:59.15 | lindi- | and possibly a guess of current location |
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| 23:59.20 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: yes it's an umbrealla term |
| 23:59.35 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: afaik rtklib is the first free implementation of RTK, it's very new |
| 23:59.38 | SpeedEvil | From simply sampling the RF signal, and storing it, to much more device involved. |
| 23:59.56 | SpeedEvil | I was more referring to the comments in the above about a peer-peer ionospheric and other error model. |
| 23:59.56 | lindi- | RTK itself is quite old idea though but not in the free world |
