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| 14:20.52 | pengu1n | where can I buy a freerunner? |
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| 14:21.30 | SpeedEvil | ebay? |
| 14:21.36 | SpeedEvil | Is the site still selling them/ |
| 14:22.08 | JaMa | http://pulster.de/ |
| 14:22.10 | soltys | pengu1n: ask on community ml, maybe someone knows |
| 14:22.24 | JaMa | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner |
| 14:22.38 | SpeedEvil | the 'buy freerunner' link on om.com no longer goes to their internal store, just to disties. |
| 14:22.45 | SpeedEvil | I guess some might still have stock |
| 14:23.02 | JaMa | yeah like pulster and goldenDelicious :) |
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| 14:24.21 | pengu1n | I've search it in ebay, amazon, found nothing |
| 14:29.38 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neo-FreeRunner-GTA02-/290461340417?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item43a0d85301 - one in UK |
| 14:33.17 | pengu1n | thx |
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| 19:18.51 | Daramarak | ok, now I have struggled enough on my own. I cannot access internet through my laptop using shr-unstable via usb. My configuration was working earlier, and I have no clues on how to proceed. Anyone got any ideas? I obviously suck at networking. |
| 19:19.19 | Daramarak | I can ping my laptop but the forwarding doesn't seem to work |
| 19:19.57 | lindi- | Daramarak: can you put the output of iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings on all affected systems online? |
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| 19:22.13 | Daramarak | lindi-: working on it |
| 19:25.50 | Daramarak | lindi-: for my ubuntu system http://pastebin.com/BazUeAsW |
| 19:27.51 | lindi- | Daramarak: so you want to ping laptop -> FR -> internet? |
| 19:30.53 | Daramarak | I want to ping FR -> laptop -> internet |
| 19:31.12 | lindi- | ok |
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| 19:32.29 | Daramarak | lindi: on FR: http://pastebin.com/VV1iLM7C |
| 19:32.46 | lindi- | Daramarak: 'Usage: ip [OPTIONS] {address | route | link | tunnel | } {COMMAND}' is not very useful |
| 19:33.31 | lindi- | Daramarak: you have some cheap plastic imitation of ip over there. The script needs real iproute2 and not busybox sorry |
| 19:33.52 | Daramarak | on my FR? |
| 19:34.00 | lindi- | on all affected systems :) |
| 19:44.41 | Daramarak | lindi: calling ip -V on my ubuntu box gives me ip utility, iproute2-ss091226. Isn't that the real deal? |
| 19:44.50 | lindi- | Daramarak: yep |
| 19:44.53 | lindi- | Daramarak: you need that on FR too |
| 19:45.46 | Daramarak | ill try to scp the package into my FR |
| 19:45.55 | lindi- | Daramarak: you fail |
| 19:47.00 | Daramarak | lindi: Oh? |
| 19:49.24 | lindi- | Daramarak: you can't just copy ubuntu package to FR and expect it to work |
| 19:50.03 | Daramarak | lindi-: bah, I know that. I am looking for a iproute package for the FR |
| 19:50.22 | lindi- | debian has one :) |
| 19:50.32 | lindi- | maybe SHR does too? |
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| 20:07.40 | Daramarak | lindi-: They shr did, but I have a md5sum mismatch. Perhaps because opkg cannot access the package directory? |
| 20:09.32 | lindi- | Daramarak: no idea |
| 20:17.23 | Daramarak | lindi-: finally after some pain: http://pastebin.com/4RGbnD0Z |
| 20:20.54 | lindi- | Daramarak: ok |
| 20:21.51 | lindi- | Daramarak: look at 'ip route list table main' on FR |
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| 20:24.44 | Daramara` | lindi-: I am looking at it |
| 20:24.56 | lindi- | Daramara`: do you know how routing works in principle? |
| 20:25.15 | Daramara` | yes, I think so |
| 20:25.32 | lindi- | Daramara`: so what does '192.168.0.0/24 dev usb0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.202' mean? |
| 20:28.50 | Daramara` | No i make no sense of it. 192.168.0.0/24 is the sub net, usb0 is the device and src 192.168.0.202 prob means that it should route traffic from 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:29.25 | lindi- | Daramara`: it means: |
| 20:29.50 | lindi- | Daramara`: if the destination IP address of a packet matches 192.168.0.0/24: |
| 20:29.58 | lindi- | Daramara`: then send the packet out using the interface usb0 |
| 20:30.11 | lindi- | Daramarak: if the packet does not yet have a source IP address set, set it to 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:30.23 | lindi- | Daramarak: can you spot the problem? |
| 20:30.29 | Daramarak | oh that is wrong |
| 20:30.58 | lindi- | Daramarak: why? |
| 20:31.21 | Daramarak | or, source? isn't that correct. the source is the FR, which has the adress 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:34.25 | Daramarak | after all packets going to 192.168.0.200 are sent to the correct place. I do have a connection between 192.168.0.200 <-> 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:35.56 | lindi- | Daramarak: yep, this rule is correct. |
| 20:36.03 | lindi- | Daramarak: the problem is that this rule is not enough |
| 20:36.17 | lindi- | Daramarak: you need an extra rule, can you figure out what it is supposed to say? |
| 20:37.37 | Daramarak | well, where packages outside of 192.168.0.0. should go |
| 20:37.49 | Daramarak | ill try to look it up |
| 20:41.35 | lindi- | Daramarak: yes, what interface? |
| 20:41.36 | Daramarak | default via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0.... |
| 20:42.00 | lindi- | looks good |
| 20:42.10 | lindi- | do you know what the "via" does there internally? |
| 20:42.14 | Daramarak | no |
| 20:42.29 | lindi- | ok. are you familiar with ethernet MAC addresses and ARP? |
| 20:42.39 | Daramarak | MAC adresses yes, ARP no |
| 20:43.10 | Daramarak | ok, i knew about ARP, but not any longer (long time since school :) |
| 20:43.12 | lindi- | Daramarak: you are sending IP packets inside ethernet frames |
| 20:43.27 | lindi- | Daramarak: those ethernet frames need to have correct destination MAC address |
| 20:44.08 | lindi- | Daramarak: if you omit "via 192.168.0.200" part and try to ping 1.2.3.4 your FR will try to ask what MAC address it should use to contact 1.2.3.4 using ARP |
| 20:44.25 | lindi- | Daramarak: but since nobody with 1.2.3.4 is listening on usb0 it will get no answer ever |
| 20:45.02 | lindi- | Daramarak: "via 192.168.0.200" tells your FR to use the MAC address of 192.168.0.200 instead. it is the duty of 192.168.0.200 to find the final recipient |
| 20:46.48 | Daramarak | lindi-: Ok, I understand. |
| 20:47.10 | Daramarak | lindi-: But how come this isn't already defined for the FR? |
| 20:47.22 | lindi- | Daramarak: my guess is that you used wlan or gprs |
| 20:47.29 | lindi- | Daramarak: it replaced the default route |
| 20:47.56 | lindi- | Daramarak: since SHR probably does not do multiple default routes normally |
| 20:48.34 | Daramarak | lindi-: yes I have. |
| 20:49.02 | Daramarak | lindi-: But that using wlan breaks the usb networking. That ain't good. |
| 20:49.14 | lindi- | Daramarak: I don't know any easy solution, I just have a menu entry to control default route |
| 20:50.42 | Daramarak | lindi-: Why are there different route tables? |
| 20:52.36 | lindi- | Daramarak: what sort of answer do you want? ;) |
| 20:52.52 | lindi- | Daramarak: because using rules you can control which routing table gets applied in each scenario |
| 20:53.46 | Daramarak | lindi-: scenario? explain |
| 20:54.08 | lindi- | Daramarak: for example you can route by source address |
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| 20:54.14 | lindi- | Daramarak: normally you only route by destination |
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| 20:54.40 | lindi- | Daramarak: but if you have multiple IP addresses you might want to route them differently |
| 20:56.27 | Daramarak | lindi- Ok, so who/what decides what table to use? |
| 20:56.45 | lindi- | Daramarak: the "ip rule list" lists the rules |
| 20:58.23 | Daramarak | lindi-: 0 : from all lookup local ; 32766: from all lookup main |
| 20:58.27 | lindi- | yep |
| 20:58.30 | Daramarak | what does the numbers mean? |
| 20:58.43 | lindi- | Daramarak: just numbers so that you can refer to them by unique id |
| 20:59.03 | lindi- | hmm no |
| 20:59.10 | lindi- | Daramarak: I think it's their order too |
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| 21:00.19 | Daramarak | ok, so it looks up all from local, if no match is found it looks up from main, and in the end default |
| 21:00.37 | lindi- | yep |
| 21:01.48 | Daramarak | But a normal user shouldn't need a networking course to be able to use internet from usb and wlan! |
| 21:03.28 | Daramarak | lindi-: Anyway, thanks very much for taking the time and walking me through this. I know much more about routing using iptables now. I hope I am able to remember it next time something breaks my networking. |
| 21:06.19 | lindi- | Daramarak: iproute, not iptables :) |
| 21:06.40 | lindi- | Daramarak: my cheatsheet is http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/routing/linux-routing.png |
| 21:07.22 | Daramarak | lindi-: Ok i meant ip route tables |
| 21:11.21 | Daramarak | lindi-: downloaded and saved locally, I won't begin asking you about the graph on the left, although I really would like to. I have wasted enough of your time. I'll let google guide me. |
| 21:13.40 | lindi- | Daramarak: netfilter.org has a similar graph i think, i just wanted my own copy |
| 21:19.04 | Daramarak | lindi-: I used ip route add default via 192.168.0.200 then pinging my gateway was possible. I will have to check my DNS settings, because wget cannot get the build.shr-project.org so it looks like more is broken. I added a line to the resolv.conf maybe that was the problem. |
| 21:21.54 | Daramarak | yep used the resolv.conf in USB-networking and everything was fine. |
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