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| 13:54.38 | ronny_ | hi |
| 13:55.04 | ronny_ | anyone aware of a reasonable complete listing of the hardware fixes, it seems to be quite shattered across the wiki |
| 14:05.37 | lindi- | ronny_: your task is to collect them to a single page in the wiki :) |
| 14:07.26 | ronny_ | lindi-: ouch |
| 14:07.35 | rhkfin | ronny_: #1024 (re-camping), buzzfix, bass-fix, uSD/GPS -fix.. I think that's all, and most never get the bass-fix nor GPS/uSD-fixes done, as they can be fixed with software |
| 14:08.21 | ronny_ | i need at least the sd and the buzzfix |
| 14:08.34 | lindi- | ronny_: what version do you have? |
| 14:09.16 | rhkfin | ronny_: what you reall NEED is buzzfix and #1024. uSD is not required. |
| 14:09.41 | rhkfin | I have GTA02v5 with buzzfix and #1024 |
| 14:09.58 | lindi- | v5 with buzzfix here |
| 14:14.28 | ronny_ | rhkfin: uSD is quite a pain even with the recent firmwares, i'd rather fix it |
| 14:15.11 | lindi- | ronny_: how so? |
| 14:15.50 | ronny_ | lindi-: i still have the 10 minute delay |
| 14:18.08 | rhkfin | 10 minute delay? What's that? |
| 14:20.26 | ronny_ | rhkfin: the obscenely high TTFF when the usd clock is active on a unfixed phone |
| 14:23.33 | lindi- | ronny_: what makes you think SD has anything to do with that? |
| 14:23.54 | lindi- | ronny_: I mean, can you get rid of the delay if you disable uSD clock? |
| 14:24.58 | ronny_ | lindi-: i have no idea how to disable it, and i got my maps on that card |
| 14:25.17 | lindi- | ronny_: I suspect disabling it will have no effect. |
| 14:25.35 | lindi- | ronny_: you should never try to fix something without first having a way to benchmark it |
| 14:25.51 | JaMa | had uSD/GPS hw fix already in A6 |
| 14:26.16 | ronny_ | hum |
| 14:26.38 | ronny_ | i want my phone fixed |
| 14:26.42 | ronny_ | right now its a mess |
| 14:26.58 | lindi- | ronny_: I'm afraid uSD fix won't make your TIFF shorter |
| 14:27.05 | lindi- | TTFF even |
| 14:27.16 | ronny_ | lindi-: why not? |
| 14:27.19 | JaMa | ronny_: you have v5 or older? |
| 14:27.29 | ronny_ | JaMa: should be a v5 |
| 14:28.19 | JaMa | ronny_: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2141213 |
| 14:29.26 | ronny_ | usefull listing, thanks |
| 14:29.50 | lindi- | ronny_: well there's no bug report for it so I can't find information like this easily |
| 14:31.20 | lindi- | ronny_: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1542 mentions it briefly |
| 14:31.34 | lindi- | ronny_: at very least you should just remove SD card and see if it gives you a shorter TTFF |
| 14:32.31 | ronny_ | hum, will do at home |
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| 16:15.55 | rhkfin | Any ideas why SHR-U forgets the time when I reboot.. GTA02v5, SHR-U from week or two ago |
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| 16:16.50 | JaMa | rhkfin: internal battery fails in most freerunners |
| 16:18.14 | JaMa | DocScrutinizer did sort of survey here.. |
| 16:18.51 | rhkfin | Replaceable? |
| 16:19.35 | rhkfin | Annoying to record gps tracks (with tango/goxtrotgps) from year 2000... |
| 16:20.01 | JaMa | don't know and maybe it should survive short reboot (and you don't probably remove battery).. so maybe it something else.. |
| 16:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | reboot shouldn't cause RTC failure. As long as you keep main battery inserted. |
| 16:20.08 | rhkfin | Time update from GSM network not possible..? |
| 16:20.22 | rhkfin | I sometimes do remove it |
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| 16:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, internal backup battery (sldered into place) is broken on a lot od devices. What meana removal of main battery will wipe your RTC immediately or after some minutes, depending on how badly broken the backup cell is |
| 16:23.18 | rhkfin | So can I solder a new one there? buzzfix & #1024 already made, is it worse or easier :)? |
| 16:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | backup cell is located next to aux button. You *could* replace by any litium primary cell |
| 16:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | much easier |
| 16:24.03 | rhkfin | nice |
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| 16:24.27 | lindi- | rhkfin: you can get time from gps |
| 16:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | you can get gps from time :-P |
| 16:25.07 | rhkfin | lindi-: ntp's easier |
| 16:25.21 | edo1493 | Where can I see if neo free runner is supported by italian phone companies? |
| 16:25.30 | rhkfin | edo1493: it is. |
| 16:25.40 | edo1493 | All companies? |
| 16:25.46 | rhkfin | If you can get a SIM card, it works (on MOST cases) |
| 16:25.47 | lindi- | rhkfin: if you are in finland with flatrate plan yes |
| 16:25.59 | rhkfin | lindi-: wlan, usb, ... |
| 16:26.30 | lindi- | edo1493: at least in finland all phones work with all operators |
| 16:27.23 | edo1493 | ok |
| 16:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | afaik in Italy no operator has device restriction policy (except maybe for iPhone, but who'd want to use the double-expensive special iPhone dataplans anyway) |
| 16:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | in Korea (and Japan?) you have to use 'certified' devices which the operator allows to be used in his network. Spoofing this (e.g by changing the IMEI to say 'i'm a Nokia) is even a crime |
| 16:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why they do such shit |
| 16:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | not in Europe though |
| 16:30.11 | edo1493 | Does it work well as a phone? |
| 16:30.18 | lindi- | edo1493: if you need to ask, no :) |
| 16:30.35 | rhkfin | in Costa Rica you need to take your (imported = not sold by the operator) phone to the operator to register it or something, to get a SIM for it. Most phones don't have SIM but the line is tied to a phone device. |
| 16:31.17 | edo1493 | lindi-, Don't you suggest it to me? |
| 16:31.51 | rhkfin | edo1493: if your main need is a phone, there are other alternatives that are cheaper and 'just work'. |
| 16:32.16 | rhkfin | If you want an open device to hack & do c00l stuff that other phones can do - and call phone calls, then Freerunner might be for you. |
| 16:32.30 | edo1493 | ok |
| 16:32.48 | rhkfin | but many of us use it as primary phone |
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| 16:33.33 | lindi- | edo1493: well I don't know you :) |
| 16:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you can live with it, if you're already chronically depressed or masochistic :-P |
| 16:33.43 | rhkfin | ;) |
| 16:34.01 | lindi- | I just ordered pizza with it 10 minutes ago :) |
| 16:34.16 | JaMa|Away | lindi-: and now hoping that it will arrive? :) |
| 16:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, for ordering pizza it always works fantastic :-D |
| 16:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | except if they call back |
| 16:34.47 | lindi- | JaMa|Away: it already did, the call was for giving more accurate driving directions |
| 16:34.51 | JaMa|Away | but still safer to call as sms can be lost.. :) |
| 16:35.03 | lindi- | JaMa|Away: indeed |
| 16:35.14 | edo1493 | I don't want to be too depressed, I have already gNewSense that makes me depressed |
| 16:35.31 | rhkfin | lindi-: did you call or surfed to pizza-online.fi ;)? |
| 16:35.39 | lindi- | rhkfin: surf and then they called me back |
| 16:35.46 | rhkfin | :) |
| 16:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: that worked? :-O incredible! |
| 16:37.13 | lindi- | yep the only large issue is audio quality |
| 16:37.23 | rhkfin | second that |
| 16:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | inbound calls while surfing another |
| 16:37.47 | rhkfin | I think call during GPRS works |
| 16:37.51 | lindi- | it does |
| 16:37.55 | rhkfin | inbound |
| 16:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope, one of 3 or somesuch |
| 16:38.09 | rhkfin | not sure if GPRS stops during the call though, but works after the call OK |
| 16:38.21 | lindi- | rhkfin: it pauses |
| 16:38.25 | rhkfin | ok |
| 16:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | just sometimes (if your call is short) it even resumes after |
| 16:39.03 | lindi- | always resumed for me |
| 16:39.11 | lindi- | and nobody has reported a bug that it wouldn't resume :) |
| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | I did, maybe a year ago |
| 16:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | might be fixed with new versions of FSO whatever daemon |
| 16:40.37 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: maybe they broke it |
| 16:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | tbh that was the reason I dumped it back when |
| 16:40.58 | lindi- | ogsmd e6c36e917cc75809f60fa587b68bbf6be0c5bf58 |
| 16:41.00 | lindi- | works for me |
| 16:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, afk o/ |
| 16:47.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hehe, since i'm using FR as my only phone for almost years, that says a lot about my personality :) |
| 16:48.00 | lindi- | PaulFertser: SHR? |
| 16:48.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm still using Debian. |
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| 16:48.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: want to try new and fixed chromium-browser package for debian? ;) |
| 16:50.16 | PaulFertser | I think one can't hardly get an inbound call while gprs is saturating the bandwidth, at least that's what my friends told me. Other than that, inbound calls work. |
| 16:51.11 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, sounds intimidating since midori was broken in some update. |
| 16:51.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: this is still partly broken but at least many issues were fixed wrt. the package that is in unstable |
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| 18:58.40 | swoody | ok found some bug reports for some of the issues I am having, but still can't connect with wifi using mokoconnect :/ |
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| 18:59.18 | swoody | iwlist scan shows networks, but mokoconnect still says my wifi device isn't powered on, and then it takes it's time when trying to power it up |
| 19:01.35 | PaulFertser | swoody: hey |
| 19:01.42 | PaulFertser | swoody: moconnect is deprecated and not to be used |
| 19:01.43 | [Rui] | swoody: never could either, why don't you try iliwi? |
| 19:01.53 | PaulFertser | swoody: use wpa_supplicant directly as described numerous times |
| 19:02.02 | PaulFertser | swoody: or you can try your luck with iliwi |
| 19:05.34 | swoody | thanks, I will have to give that a shot. I don't have my USB cable with me, so I was hoping there might be another way to connect with the phone for now |
| 19:05.54 | PaulFertser | swoody: wpa_supplicant is the way |
| 19:06.08 | PaulFertser | swoody: no need to install anything else |
| 19:06.19 | swoody | I also tried: ifconfig eth0 essid default |
| 19:06.33 | swoody | (it's unsecured network named 'default') |
| 19:09.43 | PaulFertser | swoody: ifconfig??? |
| 19:10.06 | PaulFertser | swoody: if it's non-secured, then iwconfig should be enough to connect |
| 19:11.54 | swoody | PaulFertser: that's what I was hoping, but when I run that I get: bad address 'essid' |
| 19:12.30 | PaulFertser | swoody: ifconfig != iwconfig |
| 19:13.57 | swoody | hugs PaulFertser :D |
| 19:14.09 | swoody | I have had a serious case of the Mondays all week :( |
| 19:14.18 | swoody | ping doesn't work though? |
| 19:15.23 | PaulFertser | swoody: hope you'll get a week of sundays later :) |
| 19:16.35 | swoody | PaulFertser: depends on how 'bad' Saturday night was ;) |
| 19:18.13 | PaulFertser | swoody: does ``iwconfig'' says "associated"? |
| 19:18.14 | PaulFertser | swoody: i mean does it show MAC of the AP? |
| 19:18.14 | PaulFertser | swoody: if yes, then you should set ip somehow (preferrably with dhcp). |
| 19:19.36 | swoody | PaulFertser: oh it should be working now, I'm running opkg update, and it looks like it's downloading, but I will check it out just to be sure :) |
| 19:22.07 | swoody | PaulFertser: ah crud, it's not :/ |
| 19:22.31 | PaulFertser | swoody: i'm not sure which dhclient is available on SHR |
| 19:23.38 | swoody | dhcprelay? |
| 19:25.05 | swoody | ah, udhcpc I suppose |
| 19:27.34 | swoody | damn :/ |
| 19:28.11 | PaulFertser | swoody: ah, yes |
| 19:28.55 | swoody | it said it gave me a lease on the IP, but opkg update still no go |
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| 19:36.11 | PaulFertser | swoody: ifdown usb |
| 19:36.11 | PaulFertser | swoody: ifdown usb0 |
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| 19:37.38 | swoody | PaulFertser: even though I'm on wireless? It wouldn't be eth0? |
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| 19:40.08 | PaulFertser | swoody: you should put usb0 down for wireless to work probably |
| 19:40.43 | swoody | PaulFertser: gotcha, used: ifconfig usb0 down |
| 19:40.49 | swoody | ifdown didn't work |
| 19:41.13 | swoody | woot :D |
| 19:41.18 | swoody | ping google works |
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| 19:42.43 | PaulFertser | swoody: cool (ifdown is from Debian, yes) |
| 19:42.54 | swoody | gotcha :) |
| 19:43.31 | swoody | now, to get completely up-to-date, do I need to reinstall the latest version of SHR, or does opkg upgrade give me the latest of everything? |
| 19:44.08 | PaulFertser | swoody: fyi "ip l s usb0 down" would work as well (as ifconfig) |
| 19:44.37 | swoody | PaulFertser: very cool :) I wonder if mokoconnect would work after putting usb0 down... |
| 19:44.49 | PaulFertser | swoody: that depends on the version you're already using. |
| 19:45.54 | swoody | /etc/version shows 201004210906 |
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| 19:52.08 | pr0 | where i can get source for kernel 2.6.32.13-oe3.2+gitr6+a9254be10ac2294ea20165a87c09ea6afcf66d94-r0-om-gta02 ? |
| 19:55.31 | swoody | woot, after upgrades GSM finally connects :) |
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| 20:02.37 | swoody | PaulFertser: I have to run, but now I have wifi and GSM working. Thanks! :) |
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