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| 03:16.47 | pabs3 | I just accidentally booted with the high logging and I notice tons of processes triggering the alignment trap in the kernel |
| 03:21.01 | pabs3 | this is gonna be a looooooong bootup |
| 03:22.07 | pabs3 | removes battery instead |
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| 04:45.56 | pabs3 | how do I transfer contacts, messages etc from my old SHR-t install to a new SHR-u install? Is there any way to make SHR store them in /home? |
| 04:47.28 | PaulFertser | pabs3: shr stores contacts, messages in opim database, and as it's system-wide, it's stored in /etc/freesmartphone |
| 04:47.46 | PaulFertser | /etc/freesmartphone/opim/pim.db |
| 04:50.03 | pabs3 | considers ln -s /home/root/.opim/pim.db /etc/freesmartphone/opim/pim.db |
| 04:54.53 | pabs3 | WSOA happens quite a bit with 2.6.32 here |
| 04:57.42 | pabs3 | hmm, my /usr/bin/file got corrupted |
| 05:47.18 | pabs3 | does opimd support something like evolution's X-EVOLUTION-FILE-AS field? |
| 05:49.33 | PaulFertser | pabs3: what's that? |
| 05:51.36 | pabs3 | a field that is used when listing all the contacts instead of the name/nickname |
| 05:58.25 | PaulFertser | pabs3: you can have arbitrary number of fields in opimd, each field has a type (arbitrary amount of types), and each field can have any number of entries. |
| 05:59.20 | pabs3 | ah, so phoneui-contacts just needs to support it and pisi needs to load/sync it? |
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| 06:58.31 | pabs3 | hmm, strace also corrupted |
| 06:59.34 | pabs3 | file says the same as when /usr/bin/file got corrupted: /usr/bin/strace: hp200 (68010) BSD |
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| 08:54.31 | pabs3 | wtf, now mount is corrupted in the same way |
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| 10:35.08 | merethan | hi all |
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| 10:49.53 | merethan | My SD card has its partitions removed every time |
| 10:50.03 | merethan | sucks bigtime |
| 10:50.12 | merethan | I see some kernel patches were made to solve this |
| 10:51.18 | merethan | Are they in Qt extended? |
| 10:51.26 | merethan | Or in Qt Extended Improved |
| 10:54.12 | pabs3 | both of those are no longer maintained, QtMoko is the latest re-incarnation of Qtopia |
| 10:56.29 | merethan | I have it installed |
| 10:56.39 | merethan | Works smooth |
| 10:57.09 | merethan | According to trolltech the Qt Extended features have found their ways to the main Qt distribution |
| 10:57.44 | merethan | Isn't there any other Qt for phones by now? |
| 10:58.13 | pabs3 | MeeGo and Symbian are heading towards Qt (slowly) |
| 10:58.31 | merethan | mm |
| 10:58.47 | merethan | SHR is too bloody slow. 400Mhz simply sets a limit on how much fancy stuff you can do |
| 10:58.58 | merethan | QtMoko runs petty smooth |
| 11:02.05 | merethan | Perhaps the latest Symbian is nice enough to run on Neo |
| 11:03.43 | pabs3 | SHR-u (or E17 on Debian) is quite a lot faster these days |
| 11:04.07 | pabs3 | and the main limiting factor is the GPU bus speed |
| 11:04.21 | pabs3 | er, GPU bandwidth I mean |
| 11:04.48 | merethan | SHR still has some problems |
| 11:05.12 | [Rui] | merethan: qtmoko only feels faster because it's sparing hugely on s3c bandwidth by means of "reduced screen area" |
| 11:05.48 | [Rui] | merethan: it's not a matter of cpu speed |
| 11:07.08 | pabs3 | wonders if using the flash for swap space is a good idea |
| 11:07.15 | [Rui] | pabs3: not reall |
| 11:07.24 | [Rui] | pabs3: not really |
| 11:08.21 | pabs3 | what about as a bcache? |
| 11:09.24 | merethan | NAND has a limited lifecycle |
| 11:09.32 | merethan | Not a good idea |
| 11:09.42 | merethan | (the swap thing) |
| 11:10.28 | merethan | Perhaps a journalled fs is even problematic due to the same bits being set and unset a lot. |
| 11:10.52 | merethan | no problem for hdd |
| 11:11.07 | pabs3 | the FR doesn't have a HDD :) |
| 11:11.07 | merethan | but may wear out a single sector in flash to the bone |
| 11:15.00 | Defiant | merethan: wear leveling? |
| 11:16.19 | merethan | It is going to run out of spare sectors one day |
| 11:17.37 | merethan | And not all cards move data around (and thus have a logical <> physical abstraction layer) |
| 11:17.38 | Defiant | merethan: using ext3 in the third year now. |
| 11:18.32 | merethan | mm |
| 11:19.23 | Defiant | I also didn't expected that long, but if it would be only year...the card doesn't cost anything |
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| 12:18.56 | merethan | mm QtMoko is Qt Extended Improved |
| 12:19.02 | merethan | Didn't know that :P |
| 12:21.55 | gena2x | merethan: recently, shr is moved to .32 nodebug image, so it should be fast now too. |
| 12:22.16 | merethan | mm |
| 12:22.21 | gena2x | merethan: but qtmoko is of course, faster :) |
| 12:22.24 | merethan | QtMoko has some issues |
| 12:22.33 | merethan | I'm not sure what to do |
| 12:22.37 | gena2x | merethan: what kind of issues? |
| 12:22.51 | merethan | I can either get something that works or spend a lot of time to get it to work |
| 12:23.45 | merethan | well QtMoko corrupts SD card for example |
| 12:23.53 | gena2x | merethan: qtmoko i good distro, i am using it without any issues. |
| 12:24.01 | merethan | Audio quality lacks sometimes |
| 12:24.02 | gena2x | merethan: hmm... |
| 12:24.38 | gena2x | merethan: hm, yes. radek set volumes too low to support both buzzfix and non-buzzfixed phone i think. |
| 12:24.58 | gena2x | merethan: qtmoko also has dedicated channel #qtmoko |
| 12:25.04 | merethan | ah |
| 12:25.31 | merethan | Another problem is that it is not future ready. Qt Extended is defunkt. |
| 12:25.55 | gena2x | merethan: to get higher volume you can just adjust alsa settings. |
| 12:25.57 | merethan | brb |
| 12:26.54 | gena2x | merethan: defunkt? you mean not developed by nokia any more? |
| 12:27.22 | gena2x | merethan: interesting issue from the past about sd corruption. install it to nand. |
| 12:52.41 | merethan | back |
| 12:52.50 | merethan | gena2x, it is not installed on sd |
| 12:53.16 | gena2x | hm. |
| 12:53.20 | merethan | only corrupts it. The first 512 bytes are gone |
| 12:53.28 | gena2x | merethan: we had this issue before. |
| 12:53.49 | gena2x | merethan: long time ago. this is related to kernel. |
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| 12:56.04 | gena2x | merethan: very interesting that you have it how with qtmokov24. |
| 12:58.22 | merethan | Indeed |
| 12:58.37 | merethan | Perhaps I have won the lottery so to speak |
| 12:58.57 | merethan | It has been suggested that a race condition might trigger the error |
| 12:59.11 | merethan | Perhaps it is very rare. |
| 12:59.27 | gena2x | merethan: we have some, ehm. brilliant head now working on glamo-mci. i'll report this to him :) |
| 13:00.19 | gena2x | merethan: at which moment corruption occurs? |
| 13:00.48 | gena2x | merethan: is it suspend, boot or something else? |
| 13:03.18 | merethan | I have no idea unfortunately |
| 13:03.40 | merethan | I have the FR for a week or three now |
| 13:04.03 | merethan | I've only used the SD for OSM data storage (for NeronGPS) |
| 13:04.38 | gena2x | merethan: so, backup it for now. |
| 13:05.04 | gena2x | merethan: describe all you faced, how often this happened and so. |
| 13:05.07 | merethan | Yesterday it didn't load the map. That's when I noticed the broken SD card. But I have no clue when the breakage occurred. |
| 13:05.26 | merethan | Read above, it's all I know |
| 13:05.32 | gena2x | ok. |
| 13:08.37 | gena2x | even better if you file bug report at https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report. |
| 13:09.09 | gena2x | (need register to prevent spam) |
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| 13:16.01 | merethan | gena2x, I 'll get it all to work again first. See if I can reproduce it. |
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