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| 11:24.34 | Fox_Muldr | could i download somewhere (gar.gz, git, something else) the source for the 2.6.32 kernel used by shr-u? |
| 11:34.32 | jluis | Fox_Muldr: http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_a9254be10ac2294ea20165a87c09ea6afcf66d94.tar.gz |
| 11:36.22 | Fox_Muldr | tnx. could i also synchronize via git directly? would make it easier if the kernel gets some updates :) |
| 11:42.08 | Fox_Muldr | with latest andy-tracking is used "git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6.29-openmoko" but what is the new url for the 2.6.32 kernel from shr-u with all patches applied? |
| 11:43.50 | jluis | i thin it is on branch remotes/origin/om-gta02-2.6.32 |
| 11:44.05 | Fox_Muldr | ok i will try it, tnx |
| 11:44.31 | jluis | s/thin/think/ |
| 11:45.01 | Fox_Muldr | maybe i could list all the branches but i'm not very familiar with git |
| 11:46.23 | jluis | Fox_Muldr: to list the branches git branch -a (git branch only lists the locan ones) |
| 11:50.25 | Fox_Muldr | git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git om-gta02-2.6.32 seems to work :) |
| 11:51.49 | Fox_Muldr | and what is the config from which the shr-u kernel is compiled? |
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| 11:52.03 | Fox_Muldr | i want to start with this config and change a few things for me |
| 11:53.18 | jluis | I've just read the OE recipe and some pathches are aplied to the kernel |
| 11:54.11 | Fox_Muldr | does this branch already have all patches applied so i could use it without modifications for shr-u? |
| 11:55.23 | jluis | pathches http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32 |
| 11:56.23 | jluis | recipe http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32_git.bb |
| 11:57.12 | Fox_Muldr | hmm seems not so easy like it was with andy-tracking. with andy-tracking i just had to clone the repo and after that had to switch to andy-trackng branch to have all patches |
| 11:59.26 | Fox_Muldr | so the om-gta02-2.6.32 branch is just a vanilla 2.6.32 kernel and all openmoko patches resides at openembedded? |
| 12:01.08 | jluis | I've just checked the recipe for it and now it has two patches one for ignring a irq for ts and other to enable UBIfs ;) |
| 12:02.44 | jluis | no the branch isn't a vanilla 2.6.32 |
| 12:03.11 | Fox_Muldr | i'M a bit confused now :) |
| 12:05.05 | Fox_Muldr | so at git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git with branch om-gta02-2.6.32 is a kernel with patches already applied. and at http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32 are only the patches but no kernel. is that right? |
| 12:07.55 | Fox_Muldr | now i think i got it. it is the same as it was with andy-tracking only the branch has changed to origin/om-gta02-2.6.32 :) |
| 12:08.10 | Fox_Muldr | and the patches are already applied in this branch |
| 12:10.39 | Fox_Muldr | now the only question is what the defaultconfig is that shr-u uses. with andy-tracking i used arch/arm/configs/gta02_moredrivers_defconfig |
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| 12:14.19 | Fox_Muldr | i see there is no gta02_moredrivers_defconfig anymore |
| 12:17.36 | Fox_Muldr | and also the build script which was in the andy-tracking branch and helped making kernel/modules packaging easier does not exist |
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| 12:21.20 | jluis | I'm sorry I cannot help more I myself confussed now |
| 12:22.13 | Fox_Muldr | thanks anyway. i think now i only have to find out how i could compile the kernel without the helper script and package the modules for copying to the freerunner |
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| 12:32.33 | Fox_Muldr | jluis: could you use make menuconfig to config the kernel? because when i do this the config is changed to x86 architecture after saving changes :/ |
| 12:33.02 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: ARCH=arm |
| 12:34.15 | Fox_Muldr | do i have to set this as a global VAR? |
| 12:35.23 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: you can use "make menuconfig ARCH=arm" too |
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| 12:35.32 | Fox_Muldr | ah thanks :) |
| 12:35.33 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: also fyi the recipe is using gta02_drm_defconfig |
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| 12:35.47 | Fox_Muldr | i thought so and copied this to start with |
| 12:40.41 | Fox_Muldr | when i use ARCH=arm it looks way better now. but after just saving the config again without changing anything four options got deleted from the config as if they doesn't exist (CONFIG_INPUT_LIS302DL=y, CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_DRM=y, CONFIG_DRM=y, CONFIG_DRM_KMS_HELPER=y) |
| 12:41.20 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i guess that's because you lack the patches mentioned in the recipe. |
| 12:42.12 | Fox_Muldr | hmm is there no branch which already includes these patches? |
| 12:42.38 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i'm not sure why the folks did it that way, probably there're different branches involved... |
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| 12:45.27 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: so when i'm using branch origin/om-gta02-2.6.32 i additionaly have to download some patches (which exactly?) and apply them for drm support? |
| 12:47.14 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yes, all the patches mentioned in the recipe. |
| 12:50.50 | UnknownArtists | hi, ich habe vor kurzem opera 10.60 installiert und seither zwei probleme |
| 12:51.06 | UnknownArtists | zum einen stürzt das prog immre ab enn ich es schliesse und will dann nen bugreport senden |
| 12:51.13 | UnknownArtists | was mich noch nichtmal so sehr stört |
| 12:51.31 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: you mean from http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32? how do i apply these patches? |
| 12:51.31 | UnknownArtists | viel schlimmer finde ich, dass die schriften in den menüs einfach mal viel zu gross sind |
| 12:51.42 | UnknownArtists | oh sry falscher channel |
| 12:52.01 | Fox_Muldr | UnknownArtists: es wäre besser in englisch hier zu reden ;) |
| 12:52.23 | UnknownArtists | Fox_Muldr, ja wollte auch in gentoo-anfaenger schreiben |
| 12:52.24 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: just download and patch -p1 |
| 12:52.34 | UnknownArtists | aber nach dem xchat neustart kam der tab hier zuletzt hoch |
| 12:52.39 | UnknownArtists | und da war ich im falschen chann ;) |
| 12:52.59 | Fox_Muldr | ah ok, i know patch -p1 but i thought maybe git could also automate this for me :) |
| 12:53.24 | Fox_Muldr | UnknownArtists: passiert |
| 12:53.48 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: "git am" will work as you need if those patches are in git format. |
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| 14:03.17 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i have all patches applied. i run the script /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env and now when i want to compile the kernel/modules should i just do "make" like when compiling my pc kernel? or do i have to do "make ARCH=arm"? |
| 14:04.17 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: the second, and also CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/your/cc/toolchain |
| 14:04.46 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: e.g. CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- |
| 14:05.10 | Fox_Muldr | hm i thought that the setup-env script sets all these vars but CROSS_COMPILE isn't set at all |
| 14:05.25 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: probably it does, i've no idea |
| 14:06.56 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: so "set CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-" is ok without path? |
| 14:07.18 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: if it's in your PATH, yes |
| 14:08.16 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: the setup-env script adds it to my path |
| 14:08.28 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: ok, nice |
| 14:09.25 | Fox_Muldr | maybe it is a good idea to update the kernel-compile how-to in the om wiki. it seems that it is more complex than it was with andy-tracking now ;) |
| 14:10.55 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: heh, it's supposed kernel hackers know their ways :) |
| 14:11.09 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: but yeah, keeping the wiki up-to-date is nice regardless. |
| 14:11.35 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: but not everyone is a kernel hacker but also want to compile his own kernel :) |
| 14:12.09 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: and kernel compiling for pc is much easier than for openmoko ;) |
| 14:12.32 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i agree :) |
| 14:15.50 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i see that i have to change arm-linux-gnueabi- to arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- for the toolchain |
| 14:18.31 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: when everything compiles ok could i just do a "make modules_install" and copy the modules from /lib/modules/2.6.32 to the freerunner or is there a better way to package the modules? |
| 14:24.30 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yes |
| 14:24.49 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: you should specify directory to where it installs modules |
| 14:25.17 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: INSTALL_MOD_PATH=somewhere |
| 14:25.24 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: or else it'll install modules to your /lib |
| 14:28.14 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ah ok, tnx |
| 14:29.58 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ok, kernel compiled without warnings and modules install worked with different dir. :) |
| 14:30.06 | PaulFertser | Yo |
| 14:31.51 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: now on to the first try if the freerunner likes the new kernel :) |
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| 14:55.12 | Fox_Muldr | hmm shr-u worked a few minutes than freezed. maybe i try the kernel changes step by step :) |
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| 17:27.26 | slaxxer | why is it that gta02-core lists is an untrusted site? |
| 17:27.52 | slaxxer | what happened to gta02-core anyways? |
| 17:27.59 | slaxxer | nothing? |
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| 17:30.02 | SpeedEvil | It died. |
| 17:30.10 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
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| 17:31.53 | Fox_Muldr | i thought it was "replaced" by the beagle hybrid |
| 17:32.00 | Fox_Muldr | but don't know :) |
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| 17:35.53 | Fox_Muldr | i have a little problem with my selfcompiled 2.6.32 kernels for latest shr-u. everytime i try to boot i got "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". could it be that it tries to access the sd-card to fast and it is not available so early? because when i go through the qi-bootmenu i can boot my kernels without problems |
| 17:36.30 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yes, it can |
| 17:36.39 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: some folks need even rootdelay=30 or so |
| 17:37.33 | Fox_Muldr | where do i set the delay? in the kernel while compiling? |
| 17:37.43 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: no, kernel command line is ok |
| 17:38.23 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: and where do i set kernel command line when using qi? sorry to ask, but never had to use this before |
| 17:38.39 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: /boot/append-GTA02 iirc |
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| 17:39.34 | Fox_Muldr | isn't this strange to add a boot delay parameter in a file placed on the sd-card which should prevent early access to the sd-card? ok i take a look:) |
| 17:39.59 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: oooh |
| 17:40.09 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: it's not that strange |
| 17:40.27 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: because Qi has its own uSD driver and is able to fetch the kernel and that file from there. |
| 17:40.44 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ah ok, that explains it :) |
| 17:41.28 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: but this means that the sd-card is already accessable from the hardware side by qi and only the kernel needs more time to do domething special? |
| 17:41.59 | Fox_Muldr | bad typos from me... |
| 17:42.09 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yeah |
| 17:46.50 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: do you know if there is a document which describes changes made to the sysfs paths? it seems some of them have changed between .29 and .32 |
| 17:47.26 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: no, there's no document like that to the best of my knowledge |
| 17:48.13 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ok than i have to search :) |
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| 18:11.50 | Fox_Muldr | i see that resume_reason is no more a text file but instead it encodes the resume source in a hex number. where could i resolve the number to it's source? |
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| 19:01.54 | Fox_Muldr | in the messages log i found maaaaaany "Alignment trap" lines for almost every program i run. what does this mean and how do i fix this? |
| 19:10.10 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: with current shr-u that's "normal", just wait for the toolchain update by the SHR team. |
| 19:10.41 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ok so i don't have to worry. good to know :) |
| 19:11.14 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: but it is a bit annoying in the log because they are spamed with this message |
| 19:11.19 | PaulFertser | Sure thing |
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| 19:58.50 | Fox_Muldr | i updated the kernel building info in the wiki for the new 2.6.32 because the old andy-tracking infos are partly not working anymore. please feel free to correct or optimize my description. :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#Building_the_2.6.32_branch |
| 19:59.12 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: thanks man! |
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| 20:01.16 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: no problem. most of these information came from you ;) |
| 20:02.11 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: should this command end with ".config": cp arch/arm/configs/gta02_drm_defconfig . |
| 20:02.52 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ups sure |
| 20:03.08 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: forgot that the default anem was not .config ;) |
| 20:03.40 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: cross-compiler suggestion: in debian/ubuntu one can use the emdebian toolchain, on gentoo one can use crossdev to get the toolchain (it's easier and better distro-wise to have a packaged toolchain) |
| 20:04.50 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i refered to the toolchain wiki page which suggests that the settings are for this. if people uses other toolchains then they have to do the settings for their environment |
| 20:05.14 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: not really, it's only the prefix of the cc executable that might differ |
| 20:05.36 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i could explicit state that the meantioned commands are only for the om toolchain, better? |
| 20:06.26 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: also one can use "git am patches/*" i guess (after making sure all patches are proper git patches) |
| 20:07.00 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: they are all except for two why i included the extra description how to make them compatible :) |
| 20:07.21 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: well, i'd prefer something like: "you should have cross-compiler installed. You may grab the "om toolchain" for that. Alternatively, feel free to use emdebian toolchain for the deb based systems, or crossdev on gentoo." |
| 20:07.50 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: ok, i will remove any om toolchain specific and just state that a toolchain is needed |
| 20:08.52 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i'm ok with anything, as it's already really cool you added some working instructions :) |
| 20:10.14 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: some wget magic can help downloading patches as well. |
| 20:10.59 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i know but i can only describe what i have tested today and i dl them by hand for my first try ;) |
| 20:12.02 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser_ also the "git am patches/*" could work but i haven't tested it so it would be there as is without any working guaranty |
| 20:14.12 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: ok, i see. wget magic is not easy enough, i just tried it. |
| 20:15.37 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i fixed the typo with .config and changed the toolchain part a bit |
| 20:15.47 | PaulFertser | Cool :) |
| 20:16.39 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: fyi only those two variables are actually needed to compile a kernel, even with OM toolchain i guess :) |
| 20:18.01 | Fox_Muldr | sure? because the setup-env was the only thing needed to compile andy tracking with the "build" script which was included in the branch and there were no ARCH and no CROSS_COMPILE env set |
| 20:18.38 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i never used setup-env, i always used the build script |
| 20:18.56 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: maybe both ways work |
| 20:19.16 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: so you mean i should only meantion arch and cross_compile? |
| 20:19.27 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: you can't fool kernel's Makefile :) ./build had ARCH inside |
| 20:19.46 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i'd say yes, those are enough |
| 20:19.57 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: good to know. i never took a look inside the script |
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| 20:25.37 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i edited the toolchain part and added your git am patches/* comment as untested |
| 20:25.59 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: :) |
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| 20:31.38 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: but i still think it's strange that the om-gta02-2.6.32 branch is a patched 2.6.32 kernel (no vanilla) and i also have to apply more patches from openembedded. i think it would be easier if there were a branch which had all patches applied to experiment with like andy-tracking had |
| 20:32.27 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: that happened mostly because there's no full collaboration between the current kernel devs and the distro devs. :( |
| 20:34.44 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: that's sad |
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| 20:37.36 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i guess if there were more capable openmoko users, all the story would be much better. Alas freedom is important for too few people. Only 15k devices sold, and the most of them are not used because the users appeared to be totally incapable. |
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| 20:39.57 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: one problem was that most people who bought a gta02 thought that it would be an end user device even that it was stated as a developer device. most of them got disappointed and telled everyone how bad that "phone" was. |
| 20:40.57 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: if a user can't read man pages it's bad user, i do not care about those |
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| 20:42.42 | PaulFertser | I mean if a person refuses to learn, then who cares, let him buy some dumb nokia cell phone. |
| 20:42.59 | PaulFertser | Anyway, gtg, time to sleep for me. |
| 20:43.07 | PaulFertser | Good night. |
| 20:43.15 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: yeah, but that also correlates to the problem of endusers who mostly doesn't know how to read man pages. they thought of switching the phone on and use it as is. nothing more nothing less. but even that was no easy task for these people with an openmoko phone ;) |
| 20:43.56 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: enough done for today. now is movietime and after that bedtime. and tomorrow i'm out for a three day babysitting trip for some bikers (www.tour-ginkto.de). n8 |
| 20:44.39 | Fox_Muldr | www.tour-ginkgo.de |
| 20:44.48 | Fox_Muldr | *advertisement* :) |
| 20:46.06 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: wow, i love bicycles |
| 20:46.40 | PaulFertser | And i've got a road racing one too :) |
| 20:47.31 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i love motorcycles. therefor i ride a motorcycle and help the bikers to block streets for their free passing |
| 20:47.45 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: corking, yeah :D |
| 20:48.10 | PaulFertser | I like motorcycles too. Not really used one, but i have a driving license :) |
| 20:48.23 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: hehe better than nothing ;) |
| 20:48.53 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i have a bike too, but it's stored disassembled in my flat. |
| 20:49.23 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: it's this model: http://usedauto.com.ua/photos/real/09/06/dnipro_mt_10_36_29392.jpg |
| 20:49.34 | PaulFertser | (not my photo, just the same model) |
| 20:49.53 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: i sit more on my motorcycle than on my bicycle even that i know that bicycling whould be better for my body ;) |
| 20:51.10 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: nice old machine |
| 20:51.58 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: damn heavy though, it's considerably hard for me to pull it. |
| 20:53.01 | Fox_Muldr | PaulFertser: this is my machine https://quakeman.homelinux.net/files/CBR900RR.jpg |
| 20:53.07 | SpeedEvil | I think you're supposed to fill the tank with a combustible substance, that's burned in the onboard engine, not pull it. |
| 20:56.09 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: one needs to pull it hard to put it on its center stand (and it has no sidestand) :) |
| 20:56.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:56.39 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also soviet motorbikes are not always really reliable, you know :) |
| 20:57.02 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: oooh, nice. I'd be scared to ride one though. |
| 20:57.56 | SpeedEvil | also has a broken vehicle. |
| 20:58.01 | SpeedEvil | It's 100% reliable ATM though. |
| 20:58.07 | SpeedEvil | (broken) |
| 20:59.57 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: what part broke? |
| 21:00.05 | SpeedEvil | the ECU |
| 21:00.22 | SpeedEvil | I have a replacement - megasquirt - but I need to solder it up. |
| 21:00.32 | SpeedEvil | And in practice, it's probably died of being idle. |
| 21:02.28 | Fox_Muldr | now it's time for a late night movie, n8 :) |
| 21:02.38 | PaulFertser | was going to say "hey, my old car is better, it has no electronics to brake" but then he realised the combustion unit was changed to an electonic system 10 years ago. And it had an electronic voltage stabiliser right from the birth as well. |
| 21:03.49 | PaulFertser | At least i've still got an old trusty carbeurator ;) |
| 21:05.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle, open-source ECU can work well |
| 21:06.27 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm reading about megasquirt for the first time, interesting info, thanks. |
| 21:19.47 | SpeedEvil | np |
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