| 00:00.02 | |if3 | i tried what was suggested on the shr tweaks page, but it doesn't work |
| 00:02.13 | gena2x | Weiss: I saw some mail where Andy Green did 'invention' of some LCM(?) registers, which had 5 values, something with pixel order. he changed from default(2) and got some flickering on framebuffer fixed. but default were to 'reduce rf of lcm'. i wonder can it influence touchscreen jitter. i can't find that mail again (searching for a hour) :((( |
| 00:07.40 | gena2x | Weiss: i know this sounds very unclean :) |
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| 05:56.28 | PaulFertser | gena2x: http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg01538.html |
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| 08:26.12 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I've finally found that: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001939.html . i am bad i termins - EMI were mentioned in mails. i reverted this patch - but got no effect at all (not on flickering, not on touchscreen). |
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| 17:57.39 | slaxxer | is opkg upgrade working at the moment for shr-u? |
| 17:57.59 | slaxxer | u.29 |
| 18:02.48 | max_posedon | not |
| 18:07.20 | slaxxer | ok |
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| 18:13.52 | PaulFertser | JaMa: 1:48.5, 50 km, got nowhere, met nobody, gained nothing |
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| 18:40.31 | JaMa | PaulFertser: good time again, I should reconsider bike trip with you, avg > 25 would kill me now :) |
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| 18:42.03 | JaMa | max_posedon: did you try to upgrade from shr-unstable.29 (mesa-dri and libx11)? |
| 18:42.27 | gena2x | PaulFertser: hi, Paul. may be you know - did anyone tried to do digital filtering of mic gsm noise? |
| 18:43.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i mean, record from mic, ADC digitally filter, DAC, and push back to gsm? |
| 18:43.24 | PaulFertser | JaMa: hehe |
| 18:44.04 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i understand what you say, but i'm not sure anyone tried. If you mean that as a way to solve the buzz issue, i'd recommend to not waste your time. |
| 18:44.15 | PaulFertser | (imho) |
| 18:44.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: why? |
| 18:45.14 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i just tried to record noise (btw, i don't understand how this noise is filtered by single cap), i tried to push pcm sound into line |
| 18:45.36 | gena2x | PaulFertser: all ok, pushed sound have good quality, low cpu load. |
| 18:45.42 | gena2x | PaulFertser: so, why not? |
| 18:45.56 | gena2x | PaulFertser: only thing to find is digital filter. |
| 18:45.59 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i think you can't really filter the noise. |
| 18:46.17 | PaulFertser | gena2x: because it's not stable, and very loud. |
| 18:46.40 | gena2x | PaulFertser: hm. did you do digital recording of that noise? |
| 18:46.52 | PaulFertser | gena2x: no, tbh |
| 18:47.12 | PaulFertser | gena2x: the cap does filter the noise by eliminating _any_ signal. |
| 18:47.37 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i recorded, i see exatly similar noise as i hear then i bring phone near speakers. |
| 18:47.48 | PaulFertser | gena2x: did you manage to filter it? |
| 18:48.13 | max_posedon | JaMa, nope Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//all/Packages.gz: HTTP response code said error. |
| 18:48.17 | gena2x | it look like periodical |
| 18:48.28 | JaMa | max_posedon: tests/shr-unstable.29 |
| 18:48.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i can send you mp3. |
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| 18:48.39 | gena2x | with small sample |
| 18:48.54 | JaMa | max_posedon: I've removed shr-unstable/ipk after your report |
| 18:50.01 | max_posedon | ok, opkg update. let me try |
| 18:50.05 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i know nothing about filtering, so i can't really judge. It's my gut feeling you can't get any good quality with that. Moreover the idea to fix the bug the wrong way sounds strange to me. |
| 18:50.40 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i cant decide it i did buzzfix well. |
| 18:50.46 | gena2x | *if |
| 18:50.51 | gena2x | how to check that? |
| 18:51.19 | gena2x | i think my noise may be noise with buzzfix. |
| 18:51.39 | gena2x | as as far as i can recall, without my 'fix' sound were worse. |
| 18:51.48 | gena2x | how to check if buzzfix applied well? |
| 18:52.13 | gena2x | can you do small recording of call in progress to compare? |
| 18:52.39 | gena2x | i can send state file |
| 18:52.54 | gena2x | to have similar states. |
| 18:53.10 | PaulFertser | gena2x: hm... To determine if the buzzfix is good, you can measure the capacitance between the mic pin and the ground. And there should be 2.2 k resistance there as well. |
| 18:53.50 | PaulFertser | gena2x: buzz is very dependent upon evironment, i didn't get any complaints until i was at my granny's away from moscow. |
| 18:54.17 | gena2x | hm. ok. |
| 18:54.54 | gena2x | just as far as i can understand electronics, capacitor may cut something above of below some frequency. |
| 18:55.39 | gena2x | but as i hear my buzz, it hav quite wide spectrum |
| 18:55.51 | gena2x | do i have right understanding? |
| 18:56.25 | gena2x | i'll do fuirier for it now... |
| 18:56.50 | max_posedon | JaMa, mesa-dri == mesa? |
| 18:57.07 | max_posedon | or xserver-xorg-extension-dri2 ? |
| 18:57.37 | max_posedon | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/229940/ |
| 18:57.44 | gena2x | PaulFertser: so, i wonder, how it's possible to cut this noise with cap (and why impossible with digital filter)? |
| 18:57.57 | PaulFertser | gena2x: well, the RC filter implemented should cut all the frequencies you hear damn well. |
| 18:58.08 | PaulFertser | gena2x: the mic has to terminals |
| 18:58.12 | gena2x | i mean, if it is possible with cap, it should be easy with digital filter. |
| 18:58.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: one gets buzz |
| 18:58.29 | PaulFertser | gena2x: you just "bind" that one to a stable voltage source with the cap. |
| 18:58.34 | PaulFertser | gena2x: and get signal only from the other. |
| 18:59.18 | gena2x | ok, huge thanks for description. |
| 19:00.03 | JaMa | max_posedon: every mesa-dri installed package: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/229736/ |
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| 19:04.29 | gena2x | PaulFertser: is the sound after buzzfix should be clear at any volume? |
| 19:05.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i am not meaning it should be free from dictortion from overamplification, but before that limit? |
| 19:05.35 | PaulFertser | gena2x: if you do not overload the sound amplification chain anywhere, i hope so. |
| 19:05.46 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i can't tell for sure. |
| 19:06.14 | gena2x | PaulFertser: hm. you have buzzfix? do you still have some noises? |
| 19:06.50 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i had no complaints about gsm buzz... |
| 19:07.18 | gena2x | PaulFertser: btw, my current noise DO NOT sound like gsm buzz on other side |
| 19:07.38 | gena2x | PaulFertser: it sounds more like white noise |
| 19:08.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: but if i start recoding mic2 directly, i hear absolutely clear gsm noise. |
| 19:08.50 | gena2x | PaulFertser: so, don't you know - do you still have something like white noise? |
| 19:09.13 | PaulFertser | gena2x: when i tried it, and i do not say anything, the calypso cuts off the sound. |
| 19:10.03 | gena2x | PaulFertser: ok, thanks. |
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| 19:11.36 | PaulFertser | gena2x: sorry, i'm not currently very concentrated |
| 19:12.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i understand, after 50km at friday, i always want to relax too :) |
| 19:12.39 | PaulFertser | gena2x: not that tired but frustrated :/ |
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| 19:14.30 | ftn | Hey. I just installed shr-u from scratch, I've been waiting some 20 minutes but X won't start. Should I keep waiting or should I restart ir?, pls |
| 19:15.39 | JaMa | ftn: where did you get the image? and have you read shr ML today? |
| 19:16.16 | ftn | JaMa http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable.29/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100625-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 19:16.49 | ftn | JaMa I read the ML but I haven't upgraded or anything, I just formated the partition and uncompressed the file |
| 19:16.51 | JaMa | ftn: then don't wait anymore and read ML |
| 19:17.19 | JaMa | ftn: you need 2.6.3* kernel too, because image also contains that upgraded stuff |
| 19:18.26 | JaMa | ftn: and it's not best occasion to reflash, because tomorrow or in few more days there will be completely new images |
| 19:20.43 | undrwater | JaMa: based on .3*? |
| 19:21.05 | JaMa | undrwater: ? |
| 19:21.20 | gena2x | JaMa: congratulations with moving to 3* kernel. hope this accident will make shr users happier :) |
| 19:22.23 | undrwater | JaMa: yes...kernel 2.6.3* just read the ML...this shr user happy :) |
| 19:22.30 | JaMa | gena2x: well It wasn't me :) but I also hope that this accident will be actually fortunate in the end :) |
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| 19:23.29 | JaMa | ah images based on .3.. :) I didn't understand what you mean first |
| 19:24.01 | undrwater | <--just being finger lazy.... |
| 19:25.56 | undrwater | so...we should see positive change by monday? |
| 19:26.26 | JaMa | it depends on shr buildhost speed.. it will merely finish by monday.. |
| 19:26.34 | JaMa | has shr-unstable.29 running again |
| 19:28.15 | undrwater | ok...i will remain patient...i think |
| 19:29.01 | gena2x | can anyone with or without buzzfix do small recording for me? |
| 19:29.13 | gena2x | pleeease :) |
| 19:29.19 | gena2x | better without :) |
| 19:29.31 | ftn | JaMa alright then, thanks for your tips |
| 19:29.40 | gena2x | not better, but in fact someone without. |
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| 19:36.30 | JaMa | has buzz fix.. |
| 19:37.20 | gena2x | oh, i already found wavs with samples of gsmbuzz :) |
| 19:37.48 | JaMa | why not use vuvuzela instead? :) |
| 19:38.03 | gena2x | damn. my buzz is true different. |
| 19:38.05 | JaMa | if you need annoying samples of buzz :) |
| 19:38.16 | gena2x | grr |
| 19:38.36 | gena2x | :) |
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| 20:00.20 | marsan | soo...anyone tested tangogps 0.99.4 on SHR yet? |
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| 20:38.08 | gena2x | going to disassemble fr and resolder buzzfix |
| 20:38.19 | gena2x | is praying electronic god |
| 20:39.47 | gena2x | "god, save my lcd, mic and fr" |
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| 20:50.02 | JaMa | has ipk for tangogps 0.99.4 if there is someone interested.. |
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| 20:54.04 | gena2x | Wow, my cap sohow got desoldered :(((( |
| 20:54.15 | gena2x | s/sohow/somehow |
| 20:54.42 | gena2x | really, pin is broken. |
| 20:54.55 | gena2x | anything is clean about my buzz :( |
| 20:55.53 | gena2x | no rohs this time. |
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| 21:11.47 | PaulFertser | gena2x: which side of the cap got desoldered? |
| 21:12.20 | gena2x | in fact, it's not desoldered. it's broken |
| 21:12.51 | PaulFertser | gena2x: probably the cap was too far away from the board and that allowed it to wiggle. |
| 21:12.54 | gena2x | so soldering still at place, and it will be easier to solder new one i hope. |
| 21:14.09 | gena2x | no, this seem because of my method - i amm. burved it to opposite direction |
| 21:14.15 | gena2x | *curved |
| 21:14.42 | gena2x | this seem were bad idea for small component |
| 21:14.54 | PaulFertser | gena2x: yeah, sometimes it's better to do like the herd does :) |
| 21:15.40 | gena2x | may be i'll also find place to new backup battery |
| 21:15.59 | gena2x | (i found only big cr1620. |
| 21:16.40 | PaulFertser | gena2x: you can consider using the "embedded air" area (filled with big white silly) and routing with wires. |
| 21:17.10 | gena2x | but worst task seem to find that small caps :) |
| 21:18.15 | gena2x | yeah. i hope such degree of dissemble will not break fix you did :( |
| 21:18.25 | PaulFertser | gena2x: shouldn't, those were pretty sturdy, i hope |
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| 22:42.28 | slaxxer | lets view some pics:) |
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| 23:38.54 | gena2x | booldy hell, i prefer not to do this again, even if someone pay me. |
| 23:39.32 | gena2x | all, have nice dreams/day, i have buzzfix now :)\ |
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