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| 03:21.04 | naquan | ^^ |
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| 06:34.09 | PaulFertser | Fox_M|afk: hey, i've got to admit i _do_ loose incoming sms messages :/ |
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| 06:59.20 | naquan | Hi everyone, there're some fso packages built in Ubuntu. Does that means with a GSM modem I can use my laptop as a phone? |
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| 07:39.30 | PaulFertser | naquan: does your hardware support that? I mean how do you plan to route audio? If yes, FSO can be made to do that with (hopefully) minor modifications (i.e. you need to "port" it to your target). |
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| 07:43.54 | naquan | PaulFertser: uhm, i don't know. I have a usb device that 's identified as a GSM modem, normally i can use it to access 3G network. but I don't know if it can make calls or sending SMS messages. |
| 07:44.55 | mjr | sending sms should afaik usually work since it's just a matter of an at command |
| 07:45.30 | mjr | the audio part of calling is trickier, not necessarily supported on all devices, or documented if it is |
| 07:46.02 | mjr | there _is_ support for audio calls over Huawei E169 for asterisk |
| 07:49.40 | naquan | mjr: mine is Huawei E620, will it work? |
| 07:52.28 | mjr | haven't heard that any aside E169 would |
| 07:52.47 | mjr | "Huawei E169 and K3520 are the only models that support voice, so other |
| 07:52.48 | mjr | models just work for sms." |
| 07:53.33 | mjr | that's a bit over a year old though, it might be that some other workable ones have come since then, look around Asterisk info and/or ask Asterisk people |
| 07:53.36 | mjr | http://lists.elastix.org/pipermail/beta-testers/2009-May/000517.html |
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| 07:58.38 | naquan | mjr: thank you |
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| 08:06.38 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/566 |
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| 08:44.02 | Fox_Muldr | tnx for the link |
| 08:44.52 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: just got more debugging data there |
| 08:46.18 | Fox_Muldr | at the moment i'm using my neo again as main phone. i hope i didn't lost too much of my incoming sms ;) |
| 08:50.35 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: i hope mickey|wm will pay attention to this bug really soon, now that i got enough debugging info. |
| 08:53.05 | Fox_Muldr | seems like he is a soccer fan. so i think we have to wait until the soccer wm is over. or at least until germany lost :) |
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| 15:46.36 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i wonder if i can make a diy "enclosure" for a bicycle (suitable for air transfers) but i want it to be transformable into a bicycle luggage bag. Does this sound sane? |
| 16:01.46 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
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| 19:19.46 | JaMa | PaulFertser: all diy designs I've seen looked dangerous for neo or too robust for normal use, last one from today was: http://multi.xeres.cz/freerunner/drzak-na-kolo |
| 19:20.46 | JaMa | PaulFertser: so sofar I'm happy with fr in luggage bag and checking map only once an hour or so (for longer trips it's usually enough) |
| 19:20.52 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i guess you're talking about something else. I'm talking about using airplane to get me and my bike somewhere and then to be able to comfortably ride there (and that means no or very little backpack) |
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| 19:21.32 | JaMa | PaulFertser: aaah :) sorry |
| 19:21.58 | JaMa | PaulFertser: I used paper box from new bike (for free from bike store) |
| 19:22.45 | JaMa | but it was far from "transformable into a bicycle luggage bag" :/ |
| 19:23.31 | JaMa | I've seen some plastic bags.. but they seemd to thin to protect bike during flight.. |
| 19:23.43 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i'm not sure the idea is feasible at all. But it'd feel unnatural to carry that enclosure during the whole trip without making any use of it (except for the air transfer). |
| 19:24.32 | PaulFertser | Bike needs no protection during the flight. They just take them and put on other luggage, on top of the container. I'd guess there's little damage possible that way. |
| 19:25.11 | Weiss | in those metal crate things, you mean? |
| 19:25.34 | Weiss | I think not all luggage goes in those.. I've seen a lot of bags being thrown on and off planes without them.. |
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| 19:27.57 | PaulFertser | Weiss: how can it be possible? |
| 19:28.12 | PaulFertser | Weiss: how can they transfer bags to/from the plane? |
| 19:28.15 | JaMa | PaulFertser: http://www.cyklo-obchod.cz/?p=productsMore&iProduct=589&sName=Scicon-Pocket-Bike-Bag is only about 0.5kg.. but I wouldn't take it as safe enclosure :/ |
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| 19:29.32 | PaulFertser | JaMa: it doesn't need to be safe, imho. It needs to be "bicycle", so the workers put it on top, just that. |
| 19:30.11 | JaMa | something like those guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRFcbWdn360 |
| 19:32.34 | PaulFertser | JaMa: scary, indeed. I'm not sure how common is that, and i'm not sure much damage can be done to a bike that way (if put on top). |
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| 19:33.59 | JaMa | PaulFertser: I never travel by plane with bike.. so cannot comment on that.. well I was even scared to damage my bike in paper box when it was in bus below 3 more bikes :) |
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| 20:09.15 | cz_jc | has anyone tried Apacer 8GB class 4 microsdhc ? |
| 20:09.37 | cz_jc | I got it and it doesn't work in FR :/ Every other linux perfectly though |
| 20:10.20 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: not even with a lower mmc clock and/or higher drive strength? |
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| 20:10.38 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I could try. Does it really make a difference ? |
| 20:11.11 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: of course it does, some cards are known to require that. |
| 20:11.21 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, thank you, I'll try it |
| 20:11.49 | cz_jc | btw. mmcinit says Product name: "SU08G", revision 8.0 |
| 20:12.02 | cz_jc | but the size is just 3MiB for some reason |
| 20:12.11 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: the size shown by u-boot? |
| 20:12.20 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, that's affirmitive |
| 20:12.42 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: u-boot have/had some bugs wrt size |
| 20:13.50 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, yeah.. it's just that except with the transcrend 512MB that comes with FR, no other card did even show up there for me.. finding it odd |
| 20:14.07 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, ok you meant this ? glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 glamo_mci.sd_drive=2 |
| 20:14.11 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: yes |
| 20:14.22 | cz_jc | ok I'll append it and try booting, wish me luck :) |
| 20:14.27 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: of course it affects only the kernel communication, not the bootloader. |
| 20:15.27 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, yeah, I learned with uboot and microsd.. I keep the kernel in nand :) |
| 20:15.51 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: when i faced a problem with my new uSD, i hacked on Qi code ;) |
| 20:16.06 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, did you manage to solve it ? |
| 20:16.47 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: yes, by adding some delay somewhere, took me quite some time to figure that out because i had no serial console and had to hack it blindly. |
| 20:17.56 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I have no serial consore either.. I wonder if it doesn't show up as a different partition or whatever for the new card in kernel |
| 20:18.21 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, well congrats for solving it :) |
| 20:18.28 | cz_jc | and my card doesn't work with those drive settings.. |
| 20:18.30 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: just boot your backup system from nand and take a look at the dmesg. |
| 20:18.43 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: do you also use rootdelay=5 ? |
| 20:18.52 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, hey ! that's a good idea ! |
| 20:19.03 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: some folks reported they needed even 15 with 2.6.32. |
| 20:19.18 | cz_jc | I'm gonna punch in 30 to be on the safe side :) |
| 20:19.36 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: add debuglevel=7 as well then |
| 20:19.55 | cz_jc | nice, those kernel options gotta get documented somewhere :) |
| 20:20.45 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: debuglevel is documented in the Documentation/ somewhere, the glamo-mci options are documented in the sources and are shown by modinfo. |
| 20:22.34 | cz_jc | ok.. crossing my fingers and waiting for rootdelay.. |
| 20:22.48 | cz_jc | heey ! I got: 'no init found' this time |
| 20:22.53 | cz_jc | that should mean the partition was found, right ? |
| 20:23.17 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i do not remember exactly, i'd need to see dmesg output to tell for sure. |
| 20:23.31 | cz_jc | first root device wasn't found.. which is very bad |
| 20:23.40 | cz_jc | now init wasn't found.. maybe the card got wiped or something |
| 20:25.26 | gena2x | PaulFertser: about bike&airplane, push your bike to train and come to saint-petersburg, i can show you our local sea - finnish gulf. i push it to train in both 'econom class' - which is best for bicycle and even once had to push it into 'compartment' car (don't sure about english names). in economic class no problem - special bag, remove both wheels, handlebar, and one pedal. i think in craft same, but you have to tie all this much better than in train |
| 20:26.42 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, and now I got unable to mount root on unknown-block(179,1) .. I give up... |
| 20:27.05 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: loglevel=8 is more correct |
| 20:27.14 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: yes, probably it's incompatible. |
| 20:27.32 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I got kernel messages to fb disabled apparently, since I only got 3 error lines on boot.. |
| 20:27.46 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: yes, that's loglevel |
| 20:27.47 | cz_jc | I think I'm gonna recompile the kernel later with more verbosity and see what it has to say.. |
| 20:28.14 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'd like to come to "gentoo white nights" btw |
| 20:28.16 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, nah I'm pretty sure there was an option that made resume from suspend faster but supressed kernel messages |
| 20:28.33 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: it is the same option, loglevel |
| 20:29.10 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, ok I'll try it again.. but it didn't do any difference the first time.. |
| 20:29.39 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: it's strange you can't see a working card anyway. |
| 20:29.49 | gena2x | PaulFertser: on airplane? |
| 20:30.04 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, yeah.. it works like a breeze on other linux boxes :/ |
| 20:32.09 | PaulFertser | gena2x: no, on train. But probably i missed the opportunity to buy cheap tickets already :/ |
| 20:32.18 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, hey you're right, loglevel=7 did nothing but with =8, it spits tons of messages :) |
| 20:33.10 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, it recognized it: mmc0: high speed SDHC card at address e726 |
| 20:33.47 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, mmcblk0: mmc0:e726 SU08G 3.40GiB |
| 20:34.14 | cz_jc | mmcblk0:<7>gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE |
| 20:34.17 | cz_jc | p1 |
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| 20:34.30 | cz_jc | nothing more than that.. so it incorrectly sees it as 3GB microsd for some odd reason |
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| 20:34.47 | gena2x | PaulFertser: easy to check :) night ride, oh... no route published. |
| 20:36.34 | cz_jc | bingo ! guy with the same error: http://groups.google.com/group/rowboat/msg/b2a6f3b6cc2fe109?pli=1 |
| 20:36.52 | cz_jc | apparently beagleboard isn't almighty either :) |
| 20:37.03 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i think if you see p1, it should work... |
| 20:37.27 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I think /bin/init is out of the inode range.. |
| 20:38.25 | gena2x | PaulFertser: lol, in that night ride 2009 - "LOR announce is very unwelcome" |
| 20:39.10 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: can you boot rootfs from nand to check it? |
| 20:39.34 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, in about 30 minutes it takes shr to flash. I intend to |
| 20:41.50 | PaulFertser | gena2x: it looks like i'm not coming, there's no "platzcart" tickets left, those assholes sell plenty of useless shitty "coupe" and "better" tickets, but the cheapest are all sold out apparently. |
| 20:42.22 | PaulFertser | gena2x: there's some tricky way to buy "booked" tickets but i do not know it. |
| 20:43.34 | cz_jc | no way ! |
| 20:43.35 | cz_jc | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1719 |
| 20:43.45 | cz_jc | here's a guy who has the exact same card working on FR |
| 20:44.13 | gena2x | PaulFertser: don't know too. problem with coupe is that is really hard to place bicycle where. only if am.. 'stewardess' will like you :) |
| 20:45.05 | gena2x | PaulFertser: once i had to place 2 bicycles in coupe, i think my life became shorter because of this |
| 20:45.06 | PaulFertser | gena2x: the only problem with coupe is it's damn expensive while totally useless. Especially for a <12 hours trip. |
| 20:46.06 | PaulFertser | gena2x: oh, and i also have another problem: i got no mtb, and the only possible option is to borrow one from a friend. |
| 20:46.31 | gena2x | PaulFertser: do you have road one? |
| 20:47.56 | PaulFertser | gena2x: yes, i have a road racing bike, and another "former mtb" which is now equipped with a steel low-height suspensionless fork and slick tires. |
| 20:48.15 | gena2x | PaulFertser: (mine is 28~ slick too) |
| 20:49.31 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'm also afraid i lack riding skills for the real cross-country, going fast on narrow paths is something "i'm yet to master" (or rather not). |
| 20:51.39 | gena2x | PaulFertser: and where are narrow paths in SPb? |
| 20:52.03 | PaulFertser | gena2x: not sure, i thought you like riding offroad |
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| 20:53.00 | gena2x | PaulFertser: no. almost always onroad, 60km is normal distance (try this offroad :). up to 200 per day |
| 20:53.41 | gena2x | PaulFertser: so, if you'll want 1day trip, welcome :) |
| 20:54.31 | gena2x | PaulFertser:22km/h total overage is normal speed for 60km. |
| 20:55.52 | PaulFertser | gena2x: thanks for the offer |
| 20:58.05 | gena2x | JaMa: hi, are you still around? |
| 20:59.01 | n1md4 | Where is SPb? |
| 20:59.21 | gena2x | n1md4: Saint-Petersburg, Russia |
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| 21:01.02 | n1md4 | Ah! I ride, but I'm from the UK. |
| 21:02.06 | gena2x | n1md4: :) openmoko users/devs ride from around world? (we may count WSes!) |
| 21:03.08 | rohezal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.16 | rohezal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.01 | n1md4 | Unfortunately don't have a FreeRunner. But, I'm insterested in embedded Linux on mobile devices. I want a smart phone with Arch Linux ;D |
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| 21:04.33 | PaulFertser | rohezal: ask Weiss |
| 21:04.37 | gena2x | rohezal: all you need is Thomas White (aka Weiss) |
| 21:04.41 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 21:05.31 | Weiss | answers in om-cdevel.. |
| 21:05.33 | PaulFertser | n1md4: most active smartphone development is happening with OE (open embedded) |
| 21:06.41 | cz_jc | Weiss, since you got pinged so much right now, thought I'd mention I got xf86-video-glamo patched and working on gentoo. It doesn't work with kms though, I get runtime dynamic linking error |
| 21:07.18 | cz_jc | ooh then of course, my usd reader died, took the card right to hell with it and everything went to hell |
| 21:07.52 | PaulFertser | :/ |
| 21:08.17 | cz_jc | now I'm ticked off and nothing got commited yet because I dunno if I got new ebuilds on my disk, gotta retest |
| 21:08.29 | Weiss | hmm.. what's the error? |
| 21:08.35 | cz_jc | but at least I know it can be done |
| 21:08.39 | Weiss | oh.. that AdjustFrame thing? |
| 21:08.54 | cz_jc | Weiss, GlamoKMSAdjustFrame |
| 21:08.56 | cz_jc | Weiss, yes :) |
| 21:09.04 | cz_jc | Weiss, nooo you can't just say that ! :D |
| 21:09.37 | Weiss | just say what? |
| 21:10.26 | cz_jc | Weiss, I busted my brain to get it working at least somehow and you know about that error all along :D |
| 21:10.42 | cz_jc | Weiss, what's it all about btw? |
| 21:10.45 | rohezal | asked weiss |
| 21:10.48 | rohezal | thx 4 info :) |
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| 21:15.04 | cz_jc | Weiss, anyway when compiled with --disable-kms, it works just fine |
| 21:15.35 | cz_jc | Weiss, if you want a minimal patch to get latest libdrm with required glamo headers: http://lazyjc.info/~jc/libdrm-2.4.20-glamo.patch |
| 21:15.43 | cz_jc | Weiss, courtesy of me and sleipnir :) |
| 21:23.45 | Weiss | ooh, cool |
| 21:23.53 | Weiss | no.. I just remembered you asking the question earlier.. |
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| 21:24.57 | Weiss | is glamo-kms-driver.c getting built? |
| 21:25.17 | cz_jc | Weiss, I could check if my filesystem wasn't in sillicon heaven |
| 21:25.29 | Weiss | ah, ok.. |
| 21:25.39 | cz_jc | Weiss, the reason I got my card into the reader was to back up |
| 21:25.46 | cz_jc | ironically, that destroyed my card |
| 21:26.11 | cz_jc | Weiss, but I'll make sure I will if I ever get my new card working.. |
| 21:26.24 | cz_jc | Weiss, you got glamo datasheet btw ? |
| 21:26.36 | n1md4 | PaulFerster: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. |
| 21:27.14 | Weiss | cz_jc: yep |
| 21:46.51 | JaMa | gena2x: yes, for a moment |
| 21:48.21 | gena2x | JaMa: i am about touchscreen, i just didn't got idea how 34 patch is tested. did it fix problem for you? was .29 tested on .32? how wide? did it fix problem? |
| 21:49.17 | JaMa | gena2x: I wasn't using neo with that patch for long enough to be 100% sure.. but about twice for an hour I didn't lost my ts |
| 21:49.42 | gena2x | JaMa: did you patched shr with .29 patch? |
| 21:50.11 | JaMa | gena2x: it's included in all shr kernels so shr-u users are using it for few days without any feedback (on old 2.6.29-rc3 with debug, so it was not likely to see it failing for them) |
| 21:50.35 | gena2x | JaMa: ok, thanks. this is all i wanted to know. |
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| 21:50.46 | JaMa | gena2x: and for 2.6.3x kernels built here http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ I didn't get any feedback too.. :/ |
| 21:51.31 | gena2x | JaMa: i touched it for a almost a hour, but more verify never bad. |
| 21:52.06 | JaMa | sure, but I'm usually away from my neo, so ts test is hard to do remotely.. |
| 21:52.49 | gena2x | JaMa: (this is a reason of my question), want to triple check before contacting upstream |
| 21:52.59 | gena2x | JaMa: so ok. |
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| 21:57.05 | JaMa | gena2x: for me it's at least as good as it was before, but I don't know any reproducible way to get it, so cannot say if it's 100%.. |
| 21:58.31 | gena2x | JaMa: it's ok, i know all this. |
| 21:59.46 | JaMa | -> sleep |
| 21:59.50 | JaMa | gena2x: ok, thanks |
| 21:59.59 | gena2x | JaMa: gn |
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| 22:24.59 | slaxxer | ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-13.1/ |
| 22:25.43 | slaxxer | ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-13.1// |
| 22:25.57 | slaxxer | well |
| 22:26.51 | gena2x | wooh need slackware for FR? %) |
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