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| 00:12.48 | bja | any idea where I might be able to find a replacement component for the usb connection on my freerunner? |
| 00:12.55 | bja | err, usb connector |
| 00:13.26 | SpeedEvil | digikey.com mouser.com |
| 00:15.15 | doje | newark.com is decent too |
| 00:16.47 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:17.09 | SpeedEvil | has the connector actually become damaged, or just not disconnected? |
| 00:17.17 | bja | damaged |
| 00:17.34 | bja | the plastic piece in the middle that protects the metal pieces fell off |
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| 00:18.09 | bja | possibly as a result of an overzealous user attempting forcing a usb cable in the wrong way |
| 00:18.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:24.11 | bja | I'm going to order the part and an external charger and see if I can start playing with it again |
| 00:24.11 | doje | bja: did you find it ? |
| 00:24.24 | bja | I found one from a link off the wiki |
| 00:24.33 | bja | which I swear wasn't there the last time I looked |
| 00:24.37 | bja | but I probably just missed it |
| 00:24.40 | doje | what wiki page ? |
| 00:25.10 | bja | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware |
| 00:25.17 | bja | there's a link to a mini AB connector |
| 00:25.36 | bja | from cypressindustries.com |
| 00:27.33 | doje | "GTA02-Neo Freerunner" is that what you have ? |
| 00:27.41 | bja | yes |
| 00:28.08 | doje | that has this: CMK A425-206162-001 USB receptacle -- which I can't find |
| 00:28.53 | doje | but I also found this: added the Tyco 1734035-2 as an exact replacement for the CMK A425-206162-001 USB receptacle |
| 00:29.06 | doje | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=A31727CT-ND |
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| 00:30.20 | bja | I'll order one and give it a try |
| 00:30.46 | doje | seems like a better possibility than the cypress one |
| 00:30.47 | bja | actually, given how quickly I broke it |
| 00:30.55 | bja | I'll order a couple |
| 00:31.20 | doje | for $1.29, why not |
| 00:31.26 | bja | yeah |
| 00:32.01 | doje | how are those anchored to the pcb ? |
| 00:32.10 | doje | soldered ? |
| 00:32.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:32.43 | doje | bja: you know how to desolder it and all that ? |
| 00:32.52 | bja | yes |
| 00:33.27 | bja | I spent a couple semesters being a solder monkey for an electronics shop |
| 00:33.48 | bja | solder, desolder, sometimes wind a coil... |
| 00:34.14 | doje | LOL, did you do much surface mount stuff with that ? |
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| 00:35.51 | bja | they liked to make the interns prototype stuff |
| 00:36.02 | bja | need 10 test boxes? make the interns do it |
| 00:37.43 | doje | well good luck just the same! |
| 00:38.46 | bja | thanks |
| 00:38.50 | bja | I have a G1 |
| 00:38.55 | bja | but it's currently my only phone |
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| 00:39.19 | bja | so I'm loathe to put something that I haven't tested a lot on it |
| 00:39.43 | bja | especially given that I haven't tested out SIP softphones in awhile |
| 00:39.55 | bja | and that's what I use via android |
| 00:41.55 | doje | I got one of these a while back... |
| 00:41.55 | doje | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=243-1065-ND |
| 00:42.25 | doje | it's great for smt work |
| 00:44.00 | doje | !paste |
| 00:47.00 | doje | bja: here's a picture from it: http://www.picpaste.com/Photo20100510132325093.jpg |
| 00:47.37 | bja | wow |
| 00:47.53 | doje | those are .5 mm pitch pins |
| 00:48.02 | bja | I might have to convince the wife to let me buy one |
| 00:48.14 | bja | might be a tough sell given I do smt maybe once a year |
| 00:50.04 | doje | maybe, it's good for anything small though. and it shows the image real time, so you can work under it |
| 00:50.32 | SpeedEvil | Practically, many relatively low-end (20 quiddish) can do that. |
| 00:50.49 | SpeedEvil | With the lens screwed out a bit. |
| 00:53.08 | doje | yeah, there are cheaper ones for sure. I got that one b/c it's 1.3MP where as alot of the others are lower |
| 00:53.13 | bja | I've used a loupe before |
| 00:53.19 | bja | it wasn't exactly fun |
| 00:53.23 | bja | but it did do what I needed |
| 00:53.37 | doje | yeah, i have a bunch of those |
| 00:53.57 | bja | I like having tools though |
| 00:54.10 | bja | probably a worse habit than coke |
| 00:54.15 | doje | heh |
| 00:54.36 | bja | although I've never done anything in a bathroom to get some hardware |
| 00:54.41 | bja | so maybe not |
| 00:56.00 | doje | yeah, I impulse bought a frequency counter at fry's a month ago - $120 since it was discontinued - normally $450 |
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| 00:56.34 | bja | I have a scope from an impulse buy |
| 00:56.43 | bja | it was an old analogue hp |
| 00:56.49 | bja | but it was only $30 |
| 00:57.01 | bja | still needs to be properly calibrated |
| 00:57.06 | doje | heh, HP 1741A here |
| 00:57.10 | bja | but I haven't had the time to follow the manual |
| 00:57.38 | bja | too many clients wanting retarded django scripts |
| 00:58.12 | doje | mine was a gift, I used the freq counter to calibrate it |
| 00:58.43 | doje | some of the volt/div selections don't work on ch A though |
| 00:59.46 | doje | does yours have a "conventional mode" button on the back of it ? |
| 01:00.03 | bja | not sure, I'd need to check |
| 01:01.06 | doje | ah, no big deal. I'm not sure what it does and the manual is "scanned" so I can't search it |
| 01:01.41 | doje | so far I've found only one mention of it, but it just says to turn it off |
| 01:03.18 | doje | we got kind of off topic - I hope we're not annoying people |
| 01:05.02 | doje | so, do the hardware folks hand out here or is there another channel for that ? |
| 01:05.02 | SpeedEvil | You're hardly disturbing the vibrant discourse. |
| 01:05.03 | SpeedEvil | ##electronics |
| 01:05.03 | SpeedEvil | 285 people. |
| 01:05.17 | doje | I meant the open moko hardware specifically |
| 01:05.20 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:05.27 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware - not. |
| 01:05.41 | SpeedEvil | The hardware folks are somewhere around. |
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| 01:05.47 | SpeedEvil | looks at DocScrutinizer. |
| 01:06.29 | doje | well, I was wondering if anyone had looked at these "SocketModem" products by multitech.com |
| 01:07.13 | SpeedEvil | socketmodem? |
| 01:07.14 | SpeedEvil | link |
| 01:07.25 | doje | http://www.multitech.com/en_US/PRODUCTS/Families/SocketModemCell/ |
| 01:07.48 | SpeedEvil | What about them? |
| 01:08.57 | doje | well if they might be considered as a possible replacement for GSM module currently being used |
| 01:09.08 | SpeedEvil | Seem quite large. |
| 01:09.27 | SpeedEvil | There is no new hardware version. |
| 01:09.29 | doje | well, that's true |
| 01:09.51 | SpeedEvil | Absent someone putting down a large slice of $1m - there will be no gta03/4 |
| 01:10.43 | doje | yeah, I don't have a large slice sadly |
| 01:12.45 | doje | I was just looking at the schematics |
| 01:14.37 | SpeedEvil | In practice for a 'volume' phone - you never want to use a phone module |
| 01:14.46 | SpeedEvil | but to put the chips on the motherboard |
| 01:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | doje: hope you like them. Gave me quite some headache to clean them up so they actually look like they do now ;-D |
| 01:17.25 | SpeedEvil | They are beautiful! I have them framed on my walls, and I look at them for several hours a day. |
| 01:17.34 | SpeedEvil | (Well - I would if I had a bigger printer) |
| 01:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | in TPE OM office, we actually had that :-) |
| 01:18.18 | doje | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I did, nice work. I know what a pain that is. |
| 01:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | with frames and glass cover and all you'd expect for such a piece of artwork :-D |
| 01:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | but the black blob of gta01 schematics is my masterpiece :-P |
| 01:21.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:21.51 | SpeedEvil | wishes for source for gllin slightly. |
| 01:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | btw the modem didn't change much from 01 to 02, so you can use that for 02 as well |
| 01:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | err, ooops. scratch that |
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| 01:24.18 | doje | what do the INT0 and IO1 lines do (MCU/GSM) ? |
| 01:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | the one is ring indicator, and the other starts the modem - off top of my head |
| 01:26.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | bye, lat here |
| 01:26.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | late |
| 01:27.42 | doje | I figured MODEM_ON turned on the modem - or is that status output ? |
| 01:28.49 | buluca | is this the right place to ask questions about installing debian on the freerunner? |
| 01:33.14 | buluca | mmm perhaps later on ;) |
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| 20:14.29 | Ar|stote|is | is mokonnect able to connect to hidden networks using wpa2? |
| 20:15.34 | Ar|stote|is | wpa2-mixed tkip+aes |
| 20:15.34 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: try iliwi |
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| 20:23.49 | Ar|stote|is | which distro would you reccomend for the FR? priority for me is gps > internet > phone functions |
| 20:24.40 | Wonka | SHR. |
| 20:25.20 | Ar|stote|is | i still cant get navit to work in shr after two days of failing attempts |
| 20:25.57 | Ar|stote|is | any eta on the 1.0 v of shr? |
| 20:26.06 | SpeedEvil | What's your problem with the GPS? |
| 20:26.21 | Wonka | haven't really tried navit yet. tangoGPS works very nice. |
| 20:26.45 | Ar|stote|is | tangogps works as intended but i cant get navit to work... |
| 20:26.59 | Ar|stote|is | doesnt connect to the gpsd or something |
| 20:27.34 | Ar|stote|is | when i installed navit from shr feed i got a navit and navitD desktop icons and upon running navit on terminal i get navit: symbol lookup error: navit: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n |
| 20:27.38 | Ar|stote|is | this error |
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| 20:30.37 | Ar|stote|is | other than that (the navit problem) i got some wifi issues |
| 20:37.46 | Ar|stote|is | JaMa, do i have to manually open wifi in order for iliwi to start? |
| 20:40.56 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: I don't use any gui for wifi sorry (cmdline always worked best for me..) |
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| 20:43.42 | Ar|stote|is | its just that when i click the desktop icon "the loading screen comes up and then disappears and nothing else happens" |
| 20:44.26 | Ar|stote|is | and iliwi from the terminal returns this: |
| 20:44.27 | Ar|stote|is | ** (process:961): CRITICAL **: g_file_stream_read_line: assertion `self != NULL' failed |
| 20:44.27 | JaMa | while starting iliwi? strange it should show something (shows here) |
| 20:44.27 | Ar|stote|is | iliwi: symbol lookup error: iliwi: undefined symbol: g_realloc_n |
| 20:44.59 | Ar|stote|is | i guess ill have to install shr from scratch |
| 20:45.06 | Ar|stote|is | too many problems here |
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| 20:50.30 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: which version do you have and when did you last opkg upgrade? |
| 20:50.49 | Ar|stote|is | i am currently waiting for that opkg upgrade to finish |
| 20:51.07 | Ar|stote|is | and about the version im not sure now but i think it was about 2 months before i installed the latest back then |
| 20:51.32 | Ar|stote|is | ill send when the opkg upgrade will be over again |
| 20:52.45 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: if g_malloc0_n g_realloc_n is still missing reinstall every package with glib in name :) |
| 20:53.50 | Ar|stote|is | other than that...do you know of any program for shr that has math formulas/ or something like gnu octave ? |
| 20:55.01 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: I can build octave if it has usable gui for fr |
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| 21:37.49 | Ar|stote|is | after opkg upgrade and reboot, the FR stays at the boot screen and doesnt respond :P |
| 21:41.49 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: I just did an shr-u opkg upgrade (minus kernel packages), rebooting now... |
| 21:43.16 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: it booted well enough |
| 21:43.33 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: either you have another issue, or it's a kernel problem. |
| 21:43.36 | [Rui] | JaMa: ping? |
| 21:43.51 | Ar|stote|is | and i cant install shr from scratch again now. after the upgrade everything seemed fine other than an enlightenment error |
| 21:44.13 | Ar|stote|is | boot stays 4 unknown boot options ...... ignoring |
| 21:44.15 | Ar|stote|is | and hangs there |
| 21:44.31 | Ar|stote|is | after shr logo wait while booting comes up and then goes away |
| 21:44.33 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: do you boot from sd? |
| 21:44.38 | Ar|stote|is | nop |
| 21:45.10 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: then I don't know what to suggest... btw... I strongly recommend using the µ-sd as the boot device |
| 21:45.19 | JaMa | [Rui]: pong |
| 21:45.32 | slaxxer | same here after opkg upgrade on 06022010 shr-u |
| 21:45.34 | [Rui] | easier (just untar), faster to transfer, and one can do fsck :) |
| 21:45.47 | [Rui] | JaMa: it seems Ar|stote|is doesn't boot from nand after upgrade |
| 21:45.56 | [Rui] | JaMa: I only didn't upgrade kernel and booted just fine |
| 21:46.52 | JaMa | my, mrmoku's and jluis's FR boots OK after upgrade, Ar|stote|is can you boot you FR while holding POWER button (for debug)? |
| 21:46.52 | slaxxer | another thing 2 programs open during suspend every time |
| 21:48.51 | slaxxer | iliwi will even connect in 15 seconds an also if u leave the network area an return it hooks back up |
| 21:52.51 | Ar|stote|is | i think hanged with: last 4 messages say |
| 21:53.11 | Ar|stote|is | s3c2440-sdi :powered down |
| 21:53.19 | Ar|stote|is | x2 |
| 21:53.30 | Ar|stote|is | modem wakeup imterrupt |
| 21:53.31 | Ar|stote|is | x2 |
| 21:54.08 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: can you get a 2B µ-sd card? they should be dirt cheap now... |
| 21:54.30 | Ar|stote|is | andrxerri port=0 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c |
| 21:54.40 | Ar|stote|is | and just stays there |
| 21:54.46 | Ar|stote|is | yes i can |
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| 21:56.33 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: I moved completely from nand to µ-sd when I found that even though it seemed to flash ok, lots of problems were coming up... so I just assumed bad nand or nand gone wrong :( |
| 21:56.42 | [Rui] | Ar|stote|is: but I haven't been sorry ever after... |
| 21:57.07 | Ar|stote|is | i thought that from nand everything would be faster |
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| 21:58.16 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: that's all with debug? it should be much more |
| 21:58.35 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: and are you sure that usb networking is not UP during this? |
| 22:01.27 | Ar|stote|is | i dont think i got it right then. do i have to have the FR connected with the usb and press POWER and hold it ? |
| 22:02.01 | JaMa | no, just hold power while booting |
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| 22:02.23 | JaMa | but then with running FR you can try to connect usb and check if usb networking is running |
| 22:02.50 | JaMa | it's possible that only Xorg didn't start for you |
| 22:03.41 | [Rui] | oh shit, elmdentica... |
| 22:04.50 | [Rui] | I've got my own package so.. I guess I'll have to update my local build env |
| 22:05.13 | Ar|stote|is | i connected through ssh to the neo while having pressed the power button |
| 22:05.36 | Ar|stote|is | what should i do now? |
| 22:06.44 | Ar|stote|is | and it stopped again on the same thing |
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| 22:11.15 | Ar|stote|is | JaMa, what should i do now? |
| 22:11.43 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: Xorg -verbose 4 & |
| 22:11.46 | JaMa | started ok? |
| 22:12.02 | JaMa | enlightenment_start.oe & |
| 22:12.05 | JaMa | started ok? |
| 22:13.26 | Ar|stote|is | Fatal server error: |
| 22:13.26 | Ar|stote|is | no screens found |
| 22:13.29 | Ar|stote|is | on xorg |
| 22:13.38 | Ar|stote|is | <<<< Enlightenment Error >>>> |
| 22:13.38 | JaMa | pastebin whole log please |
| 22:13.38 | Ar|stote|is | Enlightenment cannot initialize its X connection. |
| 22:13.38 | Ar|stote|is | Have you set your DISPLAY variable? |
| 22:13.38 | Ar|stote|is | E17: Begin shutdown procedure! |
| 22:13.40 | Ar|stote|is | on e |
| 22:13.44 | Ar|stote|is | ok |
| 22:17.31 | Ar|stote|is | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Zc7MN34M |
| 22:18.07 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: my guess is that you have messed libdrm or lib*gl* (mesa-dri) |
| 22:18.31 | JaMa | 6250.461] (EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (7) |
| 22:18.34 | JaMa | strange |
| 22:18.42 | JaMa | opkg install -force-reinstall xf86-video-glamo |
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| 22:20.29 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: maybe your opkg status file is messed, because also xserver is now 1.8.1 and you have 1.8.0 |
| 22:21.00 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: so it's not fully upgraded image.. and xf86-video-glamo wasnt probably upgraded from same reason.. |
| 22:22.05 | Ar|stote|is | that is what opkg install returned http://pastebin.com/rcfgAkVa |
| 22:22.09 | Ar|stote|is | another error |
| 22:22.42 | Ar|stote|is | well everything apart from some enlightenment sigart errors while manually enabling and disabling wifi was working till i did that opkg upgrade |
| 22:23.22 | Ar|stote|is | which ended successfully i presume and stated that a package needed another one which was provided by yet another package or something |
| 22:24.19 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: opkg remove mesa-dri and run again |
| 22:24.40 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: then opkg upgrade should upgrade more stuff |
| 22:25.11 | JaMa | hmm you have shr-t... |
| 22:26.08 | Ar|stote|is | should i use force-depends or force-removal-of-dependent-packages? |
| 22:26.18 | JaMa | what depend on mesa-dri? |
| 22:26.33 | Ar|stote|is | xf86-video-glamo |
| 22:26.39 | JaMa | -force-depends |
| 22:26.57 | JaMa | never use force-removal-of-dependent-packages? unless you really know what you're doing |
| 22:27.11 | Ar|stote|is | well right now i dont know what i am doing :P |
| 22:27.31 | JaMa | now you're safe.. i know why I want you to do :) |
| 22:27.56 | JaMa | but I would like to go to sleep, so hurry up man ;) |
| 22:28.16 | Ar|stote|is | afte the removal i have to opkg install xf86-video-glamo / opkg install mesa-dri or opkg upgrade? |
| 22:29.56 | JaMa | try opkg upgrade |
| 22:30.10 | Ar|stote|is | okay |
| 22:30.38 | JaMa | if it doesn't upgrade xf86-video-glamo and xserver-xorg then opkg install xf86-video-glamo |
| 22:32.06 | Ar|stote|is | installed xf86 glamo and libglwl and some other stuff |
| 22:32.14 | Ar|stote|is | so what now ? try and start xorg again ? |
| 22:33.37 | JaMa | killall enligtenment; killall Xorg; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start |
| 22:34.44 | Ar|stote|is | wow that worked |
| 22:34.57 | Ar|stote|is | everything is ok now? |
| 22:35.48 | JaMa | maybe (no idea if really everything was upgraded).. |
| 22:37.20 | Ar|stote|is | well thanks for the help mate |
| 22:37.35 | Ar|stote|is | should i do an opkg upgrade now or it will mess everything? |
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| 22:38.04 | JaMa | no opkg update; opkg upgrade is safe |
| 22:38.41 | Ar|stote|is | and is iliwi that you suggested showing any status messages? it has stayed in connecting for about 2 mins now |
| 22:38.57 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: next time pay more attention to errors like that mesa-dri libgl conflict.. |
| 22:39.15 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: and btw there is much newer shr-t :) |
| 22:39.37 | Ar|stote|is | havent opkg upgrade got me to the latest one? |
| 22:39.59 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: I built it about a week ago, but waiting for shr-t maintainer to test it and approve release.. |
| 22:40.05 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: this is not public yet.. |
| 22:41.03 | Ar|stote|is | i guess ill reflash the latest shr-t image ill find on the web. and then try and solder my AUX button in place since its a really big hassle flashing without it |
| 22:44.21 | JaMa | Ar|stote|is: unreleased shr-t is hidden here :) http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/ but as I said.. it wasn't tested at all (I didn't even flash it and also nobody else..) |
| 22:45.17 | JaMa | -> sleep |
| 22:45.19 | JaMa | gnite |
| 22:45.26 | Ar|stote|is | gnight |
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