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| 05:17.07 | undrwater | slaxxer: with iliwi? |
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| 11:04.02 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: hi, http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/kernel/touchscreen_ignoreunexpectedintr_34.patch |
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| 11:05.45 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: proper fix for touchscreen issue |
| 11:05.53 | JaMa|Wrk | gena2x: great! will try today |
| 11:06.01 | JaMa|Wrk | gena2x: will you attach it to that bug? |
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| 11:07.37 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: i'll prepare&test similar fix for .29 and publish both |
| 11:07.53 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: today i hope |
| 11:08.02 | JaMa|Wrk | thanks a lot |
| 11:08.31 | gena2x | it's my first proper patch (i hope) to kernel |
| 11:08.54 | gena2x | i'll be happy if someone will use it |
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| 11:09.26 | gena2x | i mean wifi patch is more workaround than fix |
| 11:09.58 | gena2x | so this is like a small archievent :) |
| 11:12.21 | JaMa|Wrk | :) if the same issue is also on other devices, then after some testing in linux-openmoko, you should send it to upstream |
| 11:14.36 | gena2x | i thinks issue is possible on other devices, as where seems race as a minimum. 'seems' because it's unspecified in docs how hardware works in certain situation. |
| 11:15.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:10.56 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: found how to make patch to look a bit better, so i finally be a bit different. |
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| 12:11.03 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: (move global var to global struct)... |
| 12:16.26 | radekp | gena2x: hi, and dont use C++ style comments :) |
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| 12:17.14 | radekp | gena2x: /* IIRC this is only allowed comment style in kernel ;-) */ |
| 12:19.31 | gena2x | radekp: hi, and thanks. i've already fixed one such case but missed other... damn c++ custom :) |
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| 19:00.16 | gena2x | JaMa|Wrk: final patch posted along with description |
| 19:00.59 | gena2x | radekp: ^^ |
| 19:01.18 | gena2x | for both kernel variants |
| 19:02.09 | gena2x | spend much time with .29 case something were changed in debian and kernels with my previous config were unable to find sd card |
| 19:02.38 | gena2x | no -O2 kernel basically works here |
| 19:02.43 | gena2x | s/no/now/ |
| 19:03.50 | gena2x | tomorrow i'll depart for several days from internet so if something need related to patch, try it today. |
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| 20:14.39 | slaxxer | hows the debian install.sh working today? |
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| 20:38.32 | undrwater | gena2x: your kernel config...are needed drivers compiled in? |
| 20:38.54 | undrwater | ie: usb networking |
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| 21:04.55 | gena2x | undrwater: what do you mean? |
| 21:05.18 | gena2x | undrwater: i mean which kernel are you speaking about? |
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| 21:06.25 | gena2x | undrwater: if about kernel from optimization effort, it has usb networking as a module |
| 21:06.46 | [Rui] | gena2x: no WS for me, so far, with your kernel |
| 21:07.06 | [Rui] | hi all |
| 21:07.27 | gena2x | [Rui]: i told it is as almost stable as ordinary |
| 21:07.49 | [Rui] | gena2x: yeah, but I'm just reporting the progress so far |
| 21:08.40 | gena2x | [Rui]: oh, no need now, i need that in January :) just enjoy faster system :) |
| 21:08.49 | [Rui] | gena2x: lol |
| 21:09.10 | gena2x | [Rui]: and don't forget to report bugs :) |
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| 21:12.09 | gena2x | undrwater: but in general it's easy to check by zcat /proc/config.gz|grep CDCETHER |
| 21:12.14 | gena2x | i think this one |
| 21:13.37 | gena2x | [Rui]: but is shr now feels much better, like in .32? ;) |
| 21:13.46 | [Rui] | gena2x: not yet like in .32 |
| 21:14.06 | [Rui] | gena2x: I notice it quite a lot in elmdentica, my identi.ca/twitter client |
| 21:14.14 | gena2x | [Rui]: i noticed some huge speedup of sd card subsystem |
| 21:14.27 | [Rui] | gena2x: as I'm not yet using ecore_con_url, I am using libcurl in a blocking way |
| 21:14.35 | [Rui] | and fetching the pages is MUCH, MUCH faster |
| 21:14.47 | [Rui] | also a lot noticeable under gprs |
| 21:15.48 | gena2x | i gone crazy than i first noticed that is reason of several years of speking about slowness of neo :) |
| 21:16.46 | [Rui] | gena2x: when I tried .32 and .34 I noticed the phone wasn't dragging anylonger |
| 21:16.55 | [Rui] | I mean, it does a little but... |
| 21:17.01 | [Rui] | it's quite bearable |
| 21:17.25 | [Rui] | while 2.6.29 is nigh-unbearable :) |
| 21:19.04 | gena2x | in fact speed of any non-debug kernel is close to expected from 400mhz cpu |
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| 21:19.38 | gena2x | but sd speed might be much better. |
| 21:20.45 | gena2x | nand speed can be much better (now we are calculating checksum in software for each read/write, while our hw can do that for us) |
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| 21:21.36 | gena2x | someone also IMO should review memcpy speed. we have x10 times slower than N800 |
| 21:22.17 | gena2x | so would be nice to he how it should be thoretically and is current speed is expected |
| 21:23.03 | SpeedEvil | That's quite involved. From memory, the memory bus on the FR is lots slower |
| 21:24.36 | gena2x | i think need to just check specs for our 2442b. |
| 21:25.15 | gena2x | i'm not expert in ram but i always like to learn, and best learn is real, live problem |
| 21:25.34 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 21:26.12 | gena2x | that's why like my freerunner more and more :) |
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| 21:33.58 | gena2x | i think than om needs stable kernel no matter will it be .29, .32. or .34 or which compiler it built, and wonder much why nobody applied patch 29.rc3 to 29.final |
| 21:37.53 | max_posedon | 32/34 have better ubifs support, what can't be ignored. also btrfs more gadget devices.. |
| 21:38.27 | SpeedEvil | Because the number of devs on the project is small, and they are working on stuff they know. |
| 21:39.23 | gena2x | right about ubifs. but about nand speed i think first thing should be hardware ecc, this should give big speedup in both read and write. |
| 21:39.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 21:39.42 | SpeedEvil | ubifs is good. |
| 21:39.53 | SpeedEvil | There are some other areas which would be perhaps hepful. |
| 21:40.12 | SpeedEvil | For example - as I understand it - swap is not in fact sane for swap. |
| 21:40.16 | gena2x | oh, i thought too few than considering rc3->final |
| 21:40.33 | gena2x | i am not right. it's better to use .28 for stable kernel |
| 21:41.30 | SpeedEvil | In that it does not completely optimise - or even partially - for linear swap. |
| 21:41.43 | SpeedEvil | I note also: |
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| 21:43.04 | N900evil | Linux Nokia-N900-02-8 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 21:43.34 | gena2x | yeah, nothing wrong with using stable kernel |
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| 21:44.03 | gena2x | i didn't understood about swap in fact |
| 21:44.23 | SpeedEvil | To recap. |
| 21:44.33 | SpeedEvil | Flash has eraseblocks of around 140K. |
| 21:44.45 | gena2x | nand? or sd? |
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| 21:45.20 | gena2x | ok, consider sd. but we can't directly access it |
| 21:45.24 | SpeedEvil | If you do small block writes, that can often involve reading a 140K block, erasing it, and writing back 140K with 4K of your new data |
| 21:45.28 | SpeedEvil | they are both the same |
| 21:45.40 | gena2x | they are very different |
| 21:45.42 | SpeedEvil | it's just that SD has a controller that pretends it's a block device. |
| 21:45.51 | SpeedEvil | They use the same underlying chips. |
| 21:46.04 | gena2x | yes, but still different for us |
| 21:46.17 | SpeedEvil | The SD controller is not particularly smart. Small block write performance - generally - blows - in both cases. |
| 21:46.42 | SpeedEvil | As in blows to the extent of hitting a few tens of kbytes/s write speed for small random blocks |
| 21:46.47 | SpeedEvil | As can occur with swap |
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| 21:47.23 | gena2x | i to read from nand you have to read whole block too? |
| 21:47.32 | gena2x | s/i/i think/ |
| 21:47.47 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:47.57 | gena2x | ok, anyway i got what you wanted to say. |
| 21:48.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html is somewhat relevant |
| 21:49.07 | gena2x | oh, interesting read |
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| 21:58.20 | gena2x | reading on nand can be performed only in pages too i thing |
| 21:58.26 | gena2x | s/thing/think/ |
| 21:59.20 | gena2x | onyway i understood you concerns about swap |
| 21:59.21 | SpeedEvil | the eraseblocks are of similar size. |
| 21:59.36 | SpeedEvil | From memory you can read blocks at I think 512 byte boundaries |
| 21:59.42 | SpeedEvil | it's beena while since I read it |
| 21:59.43 | gena2x | i am not using swap :) |
| 22:00.29 | gena2x | on neo, and only using it because of tmpfs on other systems |
| 22:00.41 | gena2x | if i don't want tmpfs i disable swap |
| 22:00.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:01.34 | gena2x | no need in fact, as something will go in swap while main memory will be used for file buffering |
| 22:02.51 | gena2x | and i hate swap because of possibility to go too deep in it because of some bug. |
| 22:03.06 | gena2x | then someone starts allocating more and more. |
| 22:03.39 | gena2x | this way of system death is hate so much that i am ready to disable swap. |
| 22:03.42 | SpeedEvil | yes, that can be an issue. |
| 22:03.50 | SpeedEvil | When it works well, it's good. |
| 22:04.19 | SpeedEvil | The right way is clearly to write the applications that are normally resident so that the inactive parts are not there. |
| 22:04.41 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 22:05.10 | gena2x | i think right way for applications is not bother. much better to keep code easy. |
| 22:05.39 | gena2x | and if you sure you need huge ram - just allocate and map some file |
| 22:05.53 | gena2x | :) |
| 22:06.38 | gena2x | something like this... |
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| 22:08.55 | gena2x | oh, have to go to sleep, bye |
| 22:09.02 | [Rui] | gena2x: good night! |
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| 22:57.52 | Deathzor | hey guys just wondering would it be hard to convert a free runner from Europe setup to north amircan setup ? |
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| 23:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Very hard. |
| 23:00.38 | SpeedEvil | How competant are you at dense SMT rework |
| 23:01.23 | Deathzor | my brain would tell me removing the GSM modem and putting a US version in would do the trick, but i suppect it build in |
| 23:01.45 | Deathzor | still wondering why the freerunner is the only phone where you need a different model in europe then the US.... |
| 23:03.02 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 23:03.05 | SpeedEvil | Many models do that |
| 23:03.09 | SpeedEvil | there is no GSM modem |
| 23:03.16 | SpeedEvil | it's integrated onto the motherboard |
| 23:03.33 | SpeedEvil | Only quadband GSM works 'worldwide' (sort-of) |
| 23:03.38 | SpeedEvil | triband are all US or EU |
| 23:04.13 | SpeedEvil | You need to - as I understnad it - swap several filter components that may not be easily available, and reprogram the modem firmware in a non-trivial manner. |
| 23:04.54 | Deathzor | still don't get why a US iphone for example works in europe but a free runner gives so much problems apperantly.. |
| 23:05.38 | Deathzor | or for that mather my any HTC phone i ever touched, they all work in the US. and there europian build .. |
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| 23:07.28 | Deathzor | so i really don't see why a freerunner could not be build like that :\ but i must be missing some piece of information somewhere |
| 23:07.40 | SpeedEvil | At the time it was designed, there wasn't an easily available quadband chipset. |
| 23:08.07 | SpeedEvil | Mobile phone chipsets are not easily available. |
| 23:08.22 | SpeedEvil | Most makers are not interested in talking about small orders. |
| 23:08.27 | SpeedEvil | (~10K) |
| 23:09.59 | Deathzor | SpeedEvil: so i guess its a design limit ( for me its rather problematic to say the least ) |
| 23:10.18 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:10.42 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 23:13.28 | Deathzor | hhm i guess there are 2 roads i can travel 1 get my hands on the design for a better gsm modem and build it into a freerunner ( most likely i'm way out of my league on that 1 ), or get 2 phones :\ both seems less the perfect or alternatively i may be able to find a US OR europe phone provider that works on the 1900 Mhz band that should in theory get me out of the woods ... |
| 23:13.36 | Deathzor | so thats 3 roads |
| 23:14.39 | SpeedEvil | where are you wanting it to work in europe? |
| 23:15.01 | SpeedEvil | You may be able to find a provider with spectrum only in a band that works with it. |
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| 23:24.00 | Deathzor | SpeedEvil: i wish it was easyer like software easy or connect a few wires or replace a single chip easy but i guess i'm not that lucky |
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