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| 04:20.37 | JaMa|Zzzz | max_posedon: and loosing touchscreen (much more often than with 2.6.32).. gdrm-2.6.34 is available too, but issues are the same |
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| 05:41.52 | gena2x | guys, you may build your kernel with optimizations for size instead of speed and your touchscreen bug will disappear. i did this for .29 |
| 05:43.04 | gena2x | this touchscreen bug (then touchscreen stop sending events) were main reason which stopped my optimization effort in February |
| 05:43.14 | gena2x | i spend much time trying to fix it |
| 05:43.31 | gena2x | but didn't found the solution. |
| 05:43.58 | gena2x | seem some race, but i'm unsure |
| 05:44.25 | gena2x | this bug is perfectly reproducible |
| 05:45.20 | gena2x | only funny thing i found while investigation is that our touchscreen sometimes start sending absolutely correct events (no need to filter) |
| 05:45.59 | gena2x | this happens then screen is blanked for some period and perfectly reproducible too |
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| 05:46.35 | gena2x | have nice day ;) |
| 05:47.04 | undrwater | gena2x: can you describe the bug in more detail? |
| 05:47.34 | gena2x | touchscreen stop sending events. |
| 05:47.50 | gena2x | after some time |
| 05:48.08 | gena2x | i got this after very short time perion |
| 05:48.14 | gena2x | *period |
| 05:49.59 | undrwater | thank you |
| 05:50.43 | gena2x | or you meant some internals description? |
| 05:55.19 | gena2x | touchscreen driver (without filters) is a timer and interrupt handler. timer is for sending event data once in N ticks, interrupt for handling hardware data. but it has (from my POV) some very nasty details, like up/down states and fact your must check state after interrupt, etc |
| 05:56.42 | gena2x | oh, may be even 2 interrupts, i forgot it. |
| 05:57.00 | gena2x | one updown second for data coversion |
| 06:02.16 | gena2x | for example, we may recieve down interrupt, but somehow we never sure stylus is down, even if we are waiting for up, instead we are checking after each conversion is it up? |
| 06:03.02 | gena2x | and overwise somehow it is not working |
| 06:03.09 | gena2x | and so on |
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| 06:50.58 | JaMa | gena2x: can you post your findings on that ticket? |
| 06:51.20 | gena2x | add is in progress |
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| 06:51.50 | JaMa | add? the ticket already exists |
| 06:51.50 | gena2x | i just trying to find logs, and if i'll success i can write real cause also... |
| 06:51.56 | JaMa | or add comment? :) |
| 06:52.07 | gena2x | exactly |
| 06:52.11 | JaMa | gena2x: great! thanks, highly appreciated |
| 06:52.34 | gena2x | just possible workaround... |
| 06:53.00 | gena2x | and also problem may be actually different, but look very same |
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| 07:46.32 | JaMa | gena2x: btw CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE is enabled for 2.6.34, do you mean some other specific option? |
| 07:51.27 | gena2x | no. |
| 07:51.37 | gena2x | :( |
| 07:52.07 | gena2x | so, may be without it this just easier to reproduce |
| 07:54.29 | gena2x | i posted all my findings we a bit more internals |
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| 07:56.20 | gena2x | so only workaround remain is reloading touchscreen modules |
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| 07:56.31 | gena2x | which is not so easy in case of X... |
| 07:59.03 | JaMa | what is .34-backported? |
| 08:00.12 | gena2x | original touchscreen driver (were in linux-next in february), brought back to .29 |
| 08:00.21 | gena2x | this were my first try |
| 08:01.26 | gena2x | i assume now (without checking, and according to larsc report (where he told we need user space filter), that this driver is now in .34 |
| 08:01.27 | JaMa | can you try this on 2.6.34? |
| 08:01.41 | JaMa | yes it is |
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| 08:02.05 | gena2x | sorry, no solution, only description of investigation. |
| 08:02.11 | gena2x | what do you want to try? |
| 08:02.14 | JaMa | not sure if exactly the same or if there were some adjustments after february |
| 08:02.48 | gena2x | i think this really don't matter for this problem |
| 08:03.05 | JaMa | gena2x: if you can test it on 2.6.34 as it is in git.openmoko.org now |
| 08:03.43 | gena2x | test is it same issue? or try to fix it once again? |
| 08:03.47 | JaMa | as we would like to move from .29 as soon as possible (all major issues are fixed) |
| 08:04.06 | gena2x | nice to hear. |
| 08:04.13 | JaMa | test the same issue but not on .29 (with backported ts) |
| 08:04.16 | Q-Master | have anyone seen panicking last time? |
| 08:04.36 | JaMa | because I've never seen it on .29 and with .32 only few times, but with .34 I get it really soon |
| 08:05.08 | JaMa | gena2x: so maybe with .34 the problem is more exposed and you will find the real cause there (the race cond or whatever).. |
| 08:05.11 | gena2x | are you using same compiler? |
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| 08:05.38 | gena2x | i had really no problems to reproduce. |
| 08:05.38 | JaMa | yes for http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ builds (gcc-4.4.4) |
| 08:05.55 | JaMa | local builds are now with gcc-4.5 |
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| 08:06.28 | gena2x | i didn't understand from your post is the compiler for .32 and for .34 differs |
| 08:06.50 | JaMa | no .29, .32. .34 downloaded from shr area all built with gcc-4.4.4 |
| 08:07.18 | gena2x | so, yes IMO this may be reason ok more frequent bugs. |
| 08:07.28 | gena2x | *of |
| 08:07.37 | JaMa | gcc version? |
| 08:07.56 | gena2x | all with same |
| 08:08.10 | gena2x | stop. |
| 08:08.23 | JaMa | all are built with same gcc, but lost ts happens the most with .34, then [Rui] reported it from .32 too and I've never seen it on .29 (where is also -Os not -O2..) |
| 08:09.36 | gena2x | i definetly had lost ts with -O2 on 29. |
| 08:09.36 | gena2x | also, original repost of lindi- seem about .29 too |
| 08:09.42 | gena2x | but with -Os |
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| 08:10.21 | gena2x | ok, mb something else were changed in .34. |
| 08:11.00 | gena2x | now, rethinking this issue i understood that i didn't took in accaunt that everything works with -Os |
| 08:11.39 | gena2x | oh, i tried so many ideas that time, spend may be a week on it |
| 08:12.16 | gena2x | i can try to investigate this again |
| 08:12.26 | gena2x | this is what you want? |
| 08:13.12 | gena2x | as a minimum i can say for sure that happens with hardware and is it same issue |
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| 08:16.39 | gena2x | not exactly 'didn't took in accaunt' but just have ideas about adding some delays... |
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| 08:26.38 | gena2x | JaMa: which sources to build? from git? |
| 08:30.41 | JaMa | gena2x: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/om-gta02-2.6.34 |
| 08:30.57 | gena2x | k |
| 08:31.50 | gena2x | need add some debug info and build separate touchscreen driver... |
| 08:32.02 | gena2x | i mean not info but printk |
| 08:32.10 | JaMa | gena2x: yes I meant that would be great if you can test it again with 2.6.34 and maybe you will find something new about this issue, or some other issue or just great tip.. |
| 08:32.24 | gena2x | k |
| 08:32.46 | JaMa | gena2x: as 2.6.29 will be left behind soon it's not worth to spend much time on it |
| 08:34.00 | JaMa | gena2x: you can start from provideded defconfig if you want to be as close to SHR builds as possible (I have also patch adding more debug - while keeping ts issue still there) |
| 08:34.01 | gena2x | i think 90% of bugs are the same, so 90% of .29 effort will be useful for any future kernel. |
| 08:34.44 | JaMa | at least you don't have to rebase patch for .34 if you find the fix :) |
| 08:35.06 | gena2x | ok, i'll keep posting progress here |
| 08:36.13 | JaMa | or that trac (as not all read IRC here or logs later) so lets keep all usefull information in more public trac please |
| 08:36.45 | gena2x | k |
| 08:39.49 | JaMa | gena2x: here is defconfig I'm using now (with TS as module and some debug) http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental/trees/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.34/om-gta02 |
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| 08:40.35 | gena2x | ok, kernel debug facilities are in fact unneeded |
| 08:40.43 | gena2x | printks are enought |
| 08:40.55 | gena2x | in this case |
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| 08:42.38 | gena2x | is it easy to reproduce for you? |
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| 08:46.25 | gena2x | if not, and for example once per day, i can give a patch with some printks to be sure if cause if same. |
| 08:47.31 | JaMa | gena2x: with 2.6.34 I had it few times in less then an hour after boot |
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| 08:48.27 | gena2x | k |
| 08:49.11 | JaMa | gena2x: but I'm usually away from my neo, so touching screen is difficult to test for me :/ and also I'm testing gcc-4.5 now so my images can be different and only today I had first image which actually can boot :) |
| 08:49.34 | gena2x | congrats :) |
| 08:51.17 | JaMa | hehe, all thanks goes to khem and gcc devs... |
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| 09:07.11 | gena2x | JaMa: got FTBFS without debugging stuff :) |
| 09:08.50 | gena2x | i mean 'with debugging stuff turned off, i got FTBFS' |
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| 09:21.57 | gena2x | JaMa: bug: SAMSUNG_PM_DEBUG should depend on DEBUG_LL (need printascii)... |
| 09:23.25 | JaMa | yes seen that too and had to enable it manually |
| 09:24.24 | JaMa | but probably this should be probably reported only upstream in vanila |
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| 09:29.38 | gena2x | ok, my first boot of .34 on freerunner, fingers crossed... |
| 09:29.53 | gena2x | init ok |
| 09:30.13 | gena2x | someone configured bigger font :) |
| 09:30.52 | gena2x | ssh ok |
| 09:31.26 | gena2x | even X ok. |
| 09:31.30 | gena2x | good |
| 09:33.40 | [Rui] | gena2x: what Linux are you running? uImage-2.6.34-oe2+gitr1+dd1225cc08c3375bf80289ac1965c724881b149a-r0-om-gta02.bin ? |
| 09:34.26 | gena2x | [Rui]: self-build om-gta02-2.6.34 branch on debian. |
| 09:34.42 | [Rui] | gena2x: oh... I'm really craving a little bit more stability in 2.6.3x.... :( |
| 09:34.44 | gena2x | gcc 4.3 |
| 09:35.26 | gena2x | i'm in love with .29 in fact. what do you miss in .29? |
| 09:35.45 | gena2x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.59 | [Rui] | gena2x: speed :) |
| 09:37.38 | gena2x | [Rui]: compile .29 without debugging stuff and it will be faster that .32/.34 and still without bugs |
| 09:37.51 | gena2x | almost :) |
| 09:37.59 | [Rui] | gena2x: I heard not, that it had some serious issues with stability, as well |
| 09:38.19 | [Rui] | gena2x: anyways, 29 is not worth maintaining |
| 09:38.20 | gena2x | [Rui]: rly? it's default on debian and qtmoko |
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| 09:38.38 | [Rui] | gena2x: it was some time ago... |
| 09:39.13 | gena2x | it's unchanged in debian since january |
| 09:39.14 | [Rui] | JaMa: how can I self compile 2.6.29-rc3 with a different optimization in my build environment? |
| 09:39.47 | JaMa | [Rui]: easiest way is to move defconfig from kernel tree to OE tree |
| 09:40.19 | JaMa | [Rui]: then -c menuconfig -b kernel_recipe, adjust and copy workdir/om-gta02*/linux-openmoko*/git/.config over defconfig in OE |
| 09:40.30 | [Rui] | JaMa: although not a newbie compiling Linux, a newbie compiling a custom Linux for OE :) maybe you jumped a step there? :) |
| 09:40.52 | [Rui] | what did you mean with "move defconfig from kernel tree to OE tree" ? |
| 09:41.10 | gena2x | git checkout andy-tacking, menuconfig to exclude all suboptions in kernel hacking/kernel debugging, build and have fun |
| 09:41.30 | gena2x | use your favorite .config as base |
| 09:41.42 | JaMa | [Rui]: see my gitorious repo :) |
| 09:41.53 | [Rui] | besides, I'd rather have some non packaged uImage and modules so I can have the current Linux in parallel for alternate boot |
| 09:42.14 | gena2x | easyest way to get yout current config is zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 09:42.38 | gena2x | *your |
| 09:42.49 | [Rui] | shouldn't I use -c devshell or something to compile? |
| 09:42.58 | gena2x | whoot? |
| 09:43.00 | gena2x | no. |
| 09:43.05 | gena2x | usual compile |
| 09:43.31 | gena2x | make V=1 -j$PARALLEL O=$1 ARCH=arm CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y EXTRAVERSION=$VERSION |
| 09:43.38 | gena2x | something like this |
| 09:43.52 | gena2x | ops, CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y |
| 09:43.56 | gena2x | sure not need |
| 09:44.35 | gena2x | or i don't know, this is in my script inherided from some ooolllder version |
| 09:45.40 | gena2x | oh, you discussing shr way :) |
| 09:46.42 | JaMa | OE way :) |
| 09:47.59 | JaMa | [Rui]: http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental/commit/48e0545c1797eaf70d734c8e8bb8352205eb9e50 found this one? |
| 09:48.19 | gena2x | hm, i like that .34 it feels somehow faster even than .29 |
| 09:48.21 | JaMa | [Rui]: actually you can call -c menuconfig first |
| 09:48.27 | gena2x | and from .32 i tried |
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| 09:49.02 | JaMa | then copy git/.config as om-gta02/defconfig-oe in recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.29 |
| 09:49.14 | JaMa | [Rui]: and then adjust the recipe as that commit |
| 09:49.32 | JaMa | [Rui]: and call -c clean -b recipe; bitbake -b recipe to rebuild it with this defconfig |
| 09:53.34 | [Rui] | JaMa: I'm with a slight headache, which makes me a whole lot dumber, but I think I'm missing something. |
| 09:54.04 | [Rui] | JaMa: you mean I should just use that defconfig into 2.6.29? |
| 09:55.14 | [Rui] | JaMa: or you mean to tell me to just clone your Linux tree and try it out, cross compiling directly? |
| 09:58.13 | JaMa | [Rui]: no and now, your build envirnoment means working OE for building shr images? |
| 09:58.32 | JaMa | [Rui]: or just cross compiler? |
| 09:59.31 | [Rui] | JaMa: it has always failed for one reason or another, probably a lot of bad luck with the make update times |
| 10:00.02 | [Rui] | JaMa: I usually just bother into getting enough libraries compiled in order to compile omnewrotate or elmdentica :| |
| 10:00.18 | JaMa | hmm now I'm confused.. do you want to use OE or not for custom kernel? :) |
| 10:00.21 | [Rui] | let me see where it's breaking |
| 10:00.55 | [Rui] | JaMa: I want to try to see if I can be of some help, but I need to understand what I need to do to compile |
| 10:01.39 | [Rui] | whether it's through OE environment or direct cross compile, I don't care much :) |
| 10:02.00 | [Rui] | whatever's easier to get the same kernel |
| 10:02.02 | JaMa | [Rui]: ok do yo need step-by-step? :) |
| 10:02.14 | [Rui] | JaMa: is it written somewhere? |
| 10:02.24 | gena2x | [Rui]: forget about OE |
| 10:02.27 | JaMa | if you didn't ugprade for long, please do so now |
| 10:02.35 | gena2x | [Rui]: just build kernel :) |
| 10:02.55 | JaMa | rm -rf shr-unstable/tmp |
| 10:02.59 | gena2x | [Rui]: i posted instruction above |
| 10:03.02 | JaMa | bitbake virtual/kernel |
| 10:03.14 | [Rui] | JaMa: I upgraded about a week ago |
| 10:03.29 | JaMa | that's all, it will build std kernel used in shr now |
| 10:03.49 | JaMa | bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel |
| 10:03.50 | [Rui] | JaMa: is that too long? because removing the tmp will mean a whole lot of wait time |
| 10:04.05 | [Rui] | JaMa: but that will make packages, which will replace the current kernel |
| 10:04.10 | JaMa | [Rui]: it depends when you rebuilt from scrats for last time |
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| 10:04.27 | [Rui] | from scratch, about two weeks ago |
| 10:04.35 | [Rui] | but it kept failing |
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| 10:04.36 | JaMa | [Rui]: after staging changes it's better from scratch |
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| 10:05.17 | JaMa | [Rui]: if you show me the error I can give you solution :) |
| 10:06.01 | [Rui] | JaMa: it's always some package or another, but since it takes a lot of time, I usually leave it doing stuff during the night and only notice it in the morning |
| 10:06.14 | [Rui] | let's see where it stops now... |
| 10:06.30 | [Rui] | gena2x: OE has it's issues, but it also allows very clean compilation and packages... |
| 10:07.23 | JaMa | [Rui]: I did rebuild from scratch about 20 times over last 14 (due to gcc) and I would say that OE is in pretty good shape.. at least for building kernel (which is using only minimum of libs + cross compiler) |
| 10:07.32 | gena2x | [Rui]: sure, for packages with dependences. but kernel can be built separately without any harm. |
| 10:08.42 | gena2x | JaMa: my first WSOD in .34 :) |
| 10:09.03 | [Rui] | JaMa: good shape for a fatty! ;) I wish it was a bit leaner! |
| 10:09.12 | [Rui] | not fatty like me :) |
| 10:10.12 | gena2x | last time i tried to build shr........ i had to change my /bin/sh to /bin/bash! |
| 10:10.22 | gena2x | and this were not enough... |
| 10:11.04 | [Rui] | gena2x: I don't think that's a problem in Fedora |
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| 10:15.19 | JaMa | gena2x: on ubuntu? known issue with /bin/sh -> /bin/dash |
| 10:15.43 | gena2x | debian |
| 10:15.59 | JaMa | also using dash? |
| 10:16.36 | gena2x | yes. but i am unsure what about current debians |
| 10:16.49 | [Rui] | JaMa: http://pastebin.com/hjBvBbRj |
| 10:16.53 | gena2x | but original idea were in debian |
| 10:17.04 | gena2x | (i think) |
| 10:17.22 | gena2x | and significant effort were put to make whole system compatible |
| 10:19.11 | JaMa | [Rui]: bitbake -c clean -b /media/devdisk/openmoko/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/matchbox2/matchbox-panel-2_svn.bb; bitbake -b /media/devdisk/openmoko/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/matchbox2/matchbox-panel-2_svn.bb |
| 10:19.26 | JaMa | [Rui]: and something in between, mmt |
| 10:21.08 | JaMa | [Rui]: http://www.mail-archive.com/shr-devel@lists.shr-project.org/msg01025.html |
| 10:22.28 | JaMa | [Rui]: remove svn/svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-panel-2/ in your downloads directory |
| 10:23.08 | [Rui] | JaMa: weird, could I be missing some shr-devel mails? I don't remember that one! |
| 10:23.29 | JaMa | it's over 6 months old.. :) |
| 10:24.18 | JaMa | and I have to say: the error is quite self-explanatory IMHO and it's not so OE specific... |
| 10:25.05 | [Rui] | JaMa: self explanatory, perhaps... but still left me baffled, why didn't it merely update? |
| 10:25.45 | gena2x | JaMa: hmm, seems sd io in .34 is much faster for some reason... |
| 10:25.54 | JaMa | svn just refuse to add directory if it already exists |
| 10:26.06 | JaMa | and if you ie svn update to newer revision |
| 10:26.29 | JaMa | then downgrade to older (whould be interesting to fine why - maybe some really obsolete recipe) |
| 10:27.07 | JaMa | and then want to svn update back (to currenty prefered svn revision) then it fails because of that "downgrade-leftover-directory-applets" |
| 10:27.17 | [Rui] | well, removing matchbox-panel* from downloads didn't solve it :( I can... rebuild from scratch again, but *sigh* |
| 10:27.25 | JaMa | no |
| 10:27.37 | JaMa | did you remove that dir I asked? |
| 10:27.59 | [Rui] | yes |
| 10:28.11 | [Rui] | no downloads/tmp/matchbox but downloads/matchbox |
| 10:28.28 | JaMa | then show me output of -c clean + build |
| 10:28.32 | JaMa | 12:22:18 < JaMa> [Rui]: remove svn/svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-panel-2/ in your downloads directory |
| 10:28.36 | JaMa | this one? |
| 10:29.41 | [Rui] | JaMa: fuck me :( I looked at your email, and didn't see the other one. |
| 10:30.56 | [Rui] | a fscking holiday which I could use to do some nice stuff and here I am with a migraine making me so much dumber |
| 10:35.16 | gena2x | JaMa: compiled both -Os and -O2 - they work fine |
| 10:35.28 | gena2x | JaMa: thinking... |
| 10:35.38 | gena2x | JaMa: i mean ts works find |
| 10:35.43 | gena2x | *fine |
| 10:37.47 | [Rui] | gena2x: the WS doesn't fall on my definition of fine :) |
| 10:38.02 | [Rui] | gena2x: specially because it'll hit you 99% of time you get a call |
| 10:38.40 | gena2x | [Rui] "WS"? |
| 10:39.03 | [Rui] | gena2x: white screen (but not oD -- of Death) |
| 10:39.10 | gena2x | [Rui]: oh, shorter version of WSOD :) |
| 10:39.49 | gena2x | I thought it never were really of D |
| 10:40.03 | gena2x | my WS's are always without D :) |
| 10:40.15 | [Rui] | gena2x: there were times where not even ping would respond |
| 10:40.20 | Weiss | there original WSoD was definitely "of D" |
| 10:40.30 | Weiss | when Glamo accidentally resets itself and hardlocks the memory bus |
| 10:40.42 | Weiss | these days it's just my screwing up the GPU/LCM programming |
| 10:40.59 | [Rui] | 2591 of 5800 (last time it broke compilation it stopped just under half the packages |
| 10:42.19 | gena2x | oh... so direction is good. |
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| 10:42.50 | gena2x | and we as brave om users have -2 letters |
| 10:44.48 | gena2x | can't reproduce. |
| 10:44.59 | gena2x | seem i have to go for .29 for the issue |
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| 10:48.22 | JaMa | [Rui]: that's for elmdentica or something, right? because for kernel it's only about 1000 bitbake tasks |
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| 10:49.08 | [Rui] | JaMa: no... for shr-lite-image |
| 10:49.14 | [Rui] | bb -c build shr-lite-image |
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| 10:52.00 | [Rui] | well, going out... and lunch.. bbl |
| 10:52.56 | JaMa | [Rui]: ah ok.. -c build is not needed btw |
| 10:53.02 | [Rui] | oh |
| 10:53.17 | JaMa | bb -k shr-lite-image is better |
| 10:53.41 | JaMa | will build as much as possible and skip failed + stuff depending on failed |
| 10:53.43 | gena2x | aha, finally reproduced it ;) |
| 10:54.10 | [Rui] | JaMa: I see why |
| 10:54.24 | gena2x | 15 minutes of touching... |
| 10:54.43 | [Rui] | gena2x: hey, this isn't a pr0n channel ;) |
| 10:54.54 | gena2x | :) |
| 10:55.12 | [Rui] | ah... I so remember the geek joke about why the mars lander crashed... |
| 10:55.24 | gena2x | [Rui]: hey, fr is not a woman! |
| 10:55.24 | [Rui] | telnet marslander |
| 10:55.41 | [Rui] | motd warning about lack of space, asking people to clear some junk |
| 10:55.48 | [Rui] | # rm -rf / pr0n |
| 10:56.03 | [Rui] | ^C ^D ^C ^C ^Z.... |
| 10:56.23 | gena2x | :) |
| 10:56.58 | [Rui] | gtg |
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| 11:06.49 | gena2x | hm, module reloading not helps |
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| 11:09.21 | gena2x | oh yes, damn dummy old driver i watched few months ago. |
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| 21:26.46 | gena2x | kernel dev who wrote following in driver "From tests, it seems that it is unlikely to get a pen-up event during the conversion process which means we can ignore any pen-up events with less than the requisite count done" should be fired. |
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| 21:27.48 | gena2x | and change his profession to "tester". |
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| 21:28.29 | [Rui] | gena2x: ouch, what was the consequence? |
| 21:29.11 | gena2x | no matter. this just means he don't know what he is doing. |
| 21:29.22 | gena2x | so he did 'tests' |
| 21:30.56 | gena2x | but i may be wrong :) |
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| 21:34.50 | gena2x | so i have to be fired because of unreasonable charge... |
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| 21:36.50 | [Rui] | gena2x: wtf? |
| 21:37.49 | gena2x | [Rui]: ok, just i'm talking a bit too much :) |
| 21:38.16 | [Rui] | gena2x: well, I'm sorry for you if you are being fired :( |
| 21:39.06 | gena2x | [Rui]: may english is far from being good, i just wanted to say that may be i am not right in my rant to that kernel dev |
| 21:39.48 | [Rui] | gena2x: ah, ok, no harm done, I misread you anyway, and had understood you said "change" rather than "charge" :) |
| 21:40.23 | gena2x | [Rui]: k |
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| 21:45.15 | gena2x | [Rui]: while i am touching it, how do you like the .29 without debugging? |
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| 21:46.05 | [Rui] | sure, got an uImage and modules.tgz somewhere? |
| 21:46.29 | gena2x | [Rui]: oh, i hope you already builded it :) |
| 21:47.01 | [Rui] | gena2x: no, I hardly understood what was needed. |
| 21:48.14 | gena2x | http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/kernel/optim-stage2/ |
| 21:48.28 | gena2x | do not forget to extract modules |
| 21:48.59 | [Rui] | gena2x: and carefully as not to break the current ones in the phone :) |
| 21:49.35 | gena2x | it has separate version |
| 21:49.48 | gena2x | so separate dir in /lib/modules |
| 21:49.56 | gena2x | oh, wait |
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| 21:50.18 | [Rui] | gena2x: I wait, what's up? |
| 21:50.25 | gena2x | your shr may have kms or something like this |
| 21:50.37 | [Rui] | gena2x: I think not. |
| 21:50.45 | gena2x | if not it'll be ok |
| 21:51.02 | [Rui] | gena2x: if it isn't, I'll just mount the sd card in my laptop and change the uImage link |
| 21:51.24 | gena2x | yeah. i am always using this way |
| 21:51.28 | [Rui] | it worries me more that you have packaged the firmware as well :) |
| 21:51.53 | gena2x | oh, remove it if you wish |
| 21:52.01 | gena2x | i don't think fw is changed |
| 21:52.21 | [Rui] | yeah |
| 21:53.02 | [Rui] | any append tokens needed? |
| 21:53.09 | gena2x | nothing |
| 21:53.21 | [Rui] | ok |
| 21:53.28 | [Rui] | going for reboot now... |
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| 21:55.58 | [Rui] | gena2x: one big problem: not being recognized as an ethernet device |
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| 21:56.14 | gena2x | hm. |
| 21:56.36 | gena2x | try to replug |
| 21:56.46 | gena2x | should work in fact |
| 21:57.10 | [Rui] | eth1: unregister 'cdc_ether' usb-0000:00:13.1-1, CDC Ethernet Device |
| 21:57.11 | [Rui] | usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 70 |
| 21:57.11 | [Rui] | hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
| 21:57.11 | [Rui] | usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 71 |
| 21:57.12 | gena2x | the not recongsed is ofter sign of no modules available |
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| 21:57.46 | gena2x | can you run term on neo and check is lsmod is empty? |
| 21:58.32 | [Rui] | gena2x: no, because I haven't the screen calibrated on boot |
| 21:59.14 | gena2x | i can't connect calibration of absence/presence of modules |
| 21:59.46 | gena2x | oh, or you mean your touchscreen is not working too? |
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| 22:00.05 | gena2x | s/of/to/ |
| 22:02.40 | [Rui] | gena2x: yeah, it seems the update to pointercal-xinput overwrote my link |
| 22:02.45 | [Rui] | booting, now... |
| 22:03.04 | gena2x | :) |
| 22:03.38 | [Rui] | still no eth device on my laptop |
| 22:03.52 | [Rui] | lsmod is empty |
| 22:04.11 | gena2x | have you donloaded modules? |
| 22:04.17 | [Rui] | yes |
| 22:04.38 | gena2x | put to / and sayed tar xzvf <name> ? |
| 22:04.48 | [Rui] | In lib/modules/FUBAR, FUBAR must be a perfect match to the version string of the kernel, no? |
| 22:05.17 | gena2x | /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 22:05.50 | [Rui] | well, it points to the right place... |
| 22:05.58 | gena2x | hm... |
| 22:06.09 | gena2x | try to load some module with modprobe |
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| 22:06.50 | gena2x | for example modprobe cdrom |
| 22:06.59 | ThibG | maybe run depmod? |
| 22:07.17 | gena2x | may be, but should not be :) |
| 22:07.22 | [Rui] | ThibG: shouldn't update-modules do the trick? |
| 22:07.42 | gena2x | wait, try to load some module |
| 22:07.52 | gena2x | with modprobe |
| 22:07.54 | ThibG | didn't really follow what you were doing :) |
| 22:09.26 | [Rui] | well, depmod -a appears to have worked better than update-modules, so rebooting now. |
| 22:09.42 | gena2x | oh, no need to reboot in fact |
| 22:10.01 | [Rui] | gena2x: more of a clean process |
| 22:10.02 | gena2x | strange, i thought this build should provide dependences |
| 22:10.26 | gena2x | it has modules.dep in archive |
| 22:11.01 | gena2x | also i thought i works not only for me but also for other people, so it's strange that it is not working |
| 22:11.22 | [Rui] | modules now loaded |
| 22:11.27 | gena2x | nice |
| 22:11.34 | gena2x | ssh is ok? |
| 22:11.36 | [Rui] | also with the proper devices. |
| 22:11.39 | [Rui] | gena2x: yeah |
| 22:11.42 | gena2x | good |
| 22:11.56 | [Rui] | gena2x: doesn't seem as fast as the 2.6.3x Linuxes I tried |
| 22:12.09 | gena2x | but it's much more stable |
| 22:12.37 | gena2x | yes. a bit slower, but much faster than default .29 |
| 22:12.43 | [Rui] | gena2x: yeah |
| 22:13.09 | gena2x | i feel now that .34 is faster, but i felt that .32 is slower |
| 22:13.39 | [Rui] | yay, dragging is no longer slow as hell |
| 22:13.47 | [Rui] | net operations are faster as well |
| 22:14.04 | gena2x | but all this can be checked only with lmbench or remain only as feeling |
| 22:14.15 | [Rui] | gena2x: thanks, I think I'll be using your Linux while a more stable 2.6.3x doesn't come up |
| 22:14.30 | [Rui] | gena2x: it's definitely noticeable |
| 22:14.42 | gena2x | yeah, wrote whole poem on this topic in mailing list in january |
| 22:14.44 | [Rui] | gena2x: no psychological effect here |
| 22:15.31 | gena2x | but unfortunately for shr users shr devs decided to go for .32 and do not use kernel like this |
| 22:16.27 | [Rui] | gena2x: the devs do very well to do so |
| 22:16.52 | [Rui] | gena2x: and 2.6.29-rc3 is still the kernel in shr-u |
| 22:17.02 | [Rui] | 2.6.32 doesn't yet give enough stability |
| 22:17.13 | gena2x | k. have fun, no matter for me, .32 is good goal too. |
| 22:18.39 | [Rui] | gena2x: while 2.6.3x doesn't get good enough, I'd add my vote for your kernel config (unless some major issue comes up that I don't yet know about...) |
| 22:18.48 | [Rui] | gena2x: any WS? |
| 22:19.36 | gena2x | ws probaility is higher that in debug kernel, but only in similar conditions - cold temperature and resume. |
| 22:20.17 | [Rui] | gena2x: on resume is bad due to received calls |
| 22:20.46 | gena2x | i think, touchsreen should work |
| 22:21.03 | gena2x | and properly learned location of 'answer' button may help :) |
| 22:21.20 | gena2x | also no debug should use less power. |
| 22:22.35 | gena2x | and about votes - this topic now covered with dust no need to speak about it, lets go for .32/.34 and just have fun if you like nodebug kernel |
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| 22:23.33 | gena2x | where were huge flame in fact. i do not want to even recall it. |
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| 22:33.11 | [Rui] | gena2x: hehe |
| 22:33.24 | [Rui] | gena2x: it's never a good idea to stay fixed with such an old kernel |
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| 22:33.35 | supermagnum | hi, do anuone here have experience with xinput_calibrator ? |
| 22:34.48 | [Rui] | supermagnum: just a tiny bit, if I can be of help... |
| 22:35.10 | supermagnum | i cant get it to detect my screen |
| 22:35.31 | supermagnum | Error: No calibratable devices found. |
| 22:37.28 | supermagnum | i have compiled it from source and are trying to run the commando from /src |
| 22:37.58 | [Rui] | you should run the calibrator... |
| 22:38.15 | [Rui] | supermagnum: xinput_calibrator_once.sh |
| 22:38.26 | supermagnum | ah, i will try that |
| 22:38.33 | [Rui] | do it with an ssh connection (easier) |
| 22:38.46 | [Rui] | because you'll have to place some content in /etc/pointercal.xinput |
| 22:40.16 | supermagnum | huh.. thats weird.. the script you mentioned are not in xinput folder |
| 22:40.53 | supermagnum | and i downloaded the source form svn |
| 22:41.02 | j_14 | Hello. How can I disable the touchscreen on my FR so that I can put it on my pocket without turning the backlight on? |
| 22:41.22 | gena2x | j_14: depends on your distro |
| 22:41.41 | gena2x | j_14: in qtmoko, you have to press aux button to lock your screen |
| 22:42.53 | [Rui] | supermagnum: sorry, it's in $PATH on shr-unstalbe |
| 22:42.58 | j_14 | gena2x: I'm using debian. I was thinking of disabling the touchscreen in Xorg, but didn't find any info on that. |
| 22:43.22 | supermagnum | and where o i get that ? |
| 22:43.37 | [Rui] | supermagnum: what are you using, shr-unstable? |
| 22:43.40 | [Rui] | or something else? |
| 22:43.56 | [Rui] | if shr-unstable and it's updated, it's already there. |
| 22:44.08 | supermagnum | i am using : http://github.com/tias/xinput_calibrator |
| 22:44.09 | gena2x | j_14: oh, debian, nice. but i dont know. never tried where to lock screen. i can try to ask in #openmoko-debian |
| 22:44.42 | gena2x | s/i can try to ask/you can try to ask/ |
| 22:45.31 | [Rui] | supermagnum: what is the GNU/Linux you're running in your Freerunner? |
| 22:45.42 | supermagnum | be aware that i am trying to get it to work on a laptop |
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| 22:46.03 | supermagnum | a panasonic cf-29 |
| 22:46.28 | [Rui] | supermagnum: then I'm afraid I'll not be of much help |
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| 22:46.43 | supermagnum | :( |
| 22:48.02 | [Rui] | supermagnum: sent you in priv the script in shr, perhaps it'll help you |
| 22:48.04 | [Rui] | now I'm off to bed. good night all |
| 22:48.20 | gena2x | gn |
| 22:49.25 | undrwater | gena2x: about to try your kernel as well |
| 22:49.59 | gena2x | this matters only on shr. qtmoko and debian already using fast kernel |
| 22:50.07 | [Rui] | undrwater: I found out that in order to test the kernel you need to use it for a bit of time |
| 22:50.30 | undrwater | [Rui]: didn't mean to wake you ;) |
| 22:50.47 | undrwater | <--using shr-u |
| 22:50.56 | [Rui] | so I'll not rush to evaluate :) for now gena2x's 2.6.29 compiled version is working fine, but let's see how it goes :) |
| 22:51.01 | [Rui] | good night! |
| 22:51.19 | undrwater | not using the phone full time right now... |
| 22:51.24 | undrwater | part time with treo |
| 22:52.01 | gena2x | i'm curently have a pleasure to do a bit dev for it |
| 22:52.17 | gena2x | right now touchscreen issue. |
| 22:52.41 | undrwater | what will be the benefit of fixing that bug? |
| 22:52.43 | gena2x | also want to provide proper fix for bluetooth. |
| 22:53.16 | gena2x | this is inportant bug to make .32, .34 and .29 with -O2 work. |
| 22:53.48 | gena2x | fix for bluetooth is conceptually ready and working, but need some development to put to to share |
| 22:53.55 | gena2x | s/share/shape/ |
| 22:54.39 | undrwater | what do these fixes improve? touchscreen and bluetooth? |
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| 22:55.24 | gena2x | for touchscreen issue i still have no fix as i am talking too much today. |
| 22:55.39 | gena2x | bluetooth allows using bluetooth headsets without any pain |
| 22:56.01 | gena2x | at least in qtmoko. |
| 22:56.20 | gena2x | shr have own fix, but i think it a bit less then mine |
| 22:58.41 | undrwater | gena2x: are you talking UI to access bt headset? |
| 22:59.06 | gena2x | ui is already working in qtmoko for example |
| 23:00.14 | undrwater | so you're talking about register / deregister ease? |
| 23:00.24 | undrwater | going from bt to handset, etc? |
| 23:00.33 | gena2x | mine idea of fix based partially on investigations of other people allows to hear sound while in gsm calls |
| 23:00.44 | undrwater | OH! |
| 23:00.45 | undrwater | yay |
| 23:00.57 | undrwater | that's my problem now |
| 23:01.13 | gena2x | oh, so you can check my solution is have time? |
| 23:01.43 | gena2x | i even prepared instruction how to check :) |
| 23:01.59 | undrwater | OK...i can try...how much time do you think it could take? |
| 23:02.07 | gena2x | few minutes |
| 23:02.12 | gena2x | mb 15 |
| 23:02.23 | gena2x | depending on how fast you type |
| 23:02.27 | undrwater | sounds good...let me move my SIM |
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| 23:02.39 | undrwater | <-slow touch typist |
| 23:02.51 | gena2x | which distribution you using? |
| 23:03.00 | undrwater | shr-u |
| 23:03.24 | gena2x | if shr, the fix may interfere with shr's one, but it should be easy to check |
| 23:03.43 | undrwater | not a problem...not depending on this phone for daily use |
| 23:03.54 | gena2x | k, i'll prepare link to tarball... |
| 23:04.17 | undrwater | are we using part of the wiki's instructions? |
| 23:04.27 | gena2x | no need |
| 23:04.35 | gena2x | all instructions inside |
| 23:04.46 | undrwater | cool |
| 23:04.54 | gena2x | first check if your headset works in principe |
| 23:05.01 | gena2x | then we can check it for shr |
| 23:05.27 | gena2x | instruction is for checking if headset works for openmoko in pricipe |
| 23:05.52 | undrwater | recipe? |
| 23:06.02 | gena2x | and at the end you sould hear your voice from bt headset in om speaker and vise versa |
| 23:06.12 | undrwater | oohhh...cool :) |
| 23:06.13 | gena2x | oh, mb wrong word, wait... |
| 23:06.42 | gena2x | i mean 'in principle' |
| 23:07.00 | gena2x | if this will work, you'll have no problem in GSM |
| 23:09.42 | undrwater | you've got the link yet? |
| 23:09.53 | gena2x | copying to web server |
| 23:10.10 | undrwater | ok |
| 23:11.41 | gena2x | http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/bttestideacheck.tgz |
| 23:11.49 | gena2x | instruction inside |
| 23:11.59 | undrwater | ok...wgetting now |
| 23:12.14 | gena2x | but i am unsure how all this applies to SHR |
| 23:12.34 | gena2x | may be SHR people already have working sound |
| 23:13.12 | undrwater | we'll see :) |
| 23:13.15 | gena2x | may be not. |
| 23:13.27 | undrwater | oh...should i untar to /? |
| 23:13.35 | gena2x | anywhere you want |
| 23:13.42 | gena2x | no matter |
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| 23:39.03 | undrwater | gena2x: it's going to take a while...shr doesn't use the same files and such |
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| 23:45.56 | Blu3 | is away: on the road to tampa/ybor city, orlando/gay days@disney |