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| 01:06.18 | hipitihop | can anyone recommend how to partion setup my sd for swap + normal sd storage, should I create ext3 + swap partition or something else |
| 01:11.24 | hipitihop | please ignore, found page on wiki |
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| 07:23.00 | blindcoder | underwater pong? now that might be an interesting sport :) |
| 07:23.35 | PaulFertser | Most probably he's asleep already, living on the other side of Atlantic. |
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| 07:40.15 | PaulFertser | JaMa: probably it's so lightweight that it wouldn't reach big speeds on landing. The question is how to fire it. |
| 07:41.15 | JaMa | yeah IRC launcher for imaginary balls seems to work better, pitty, it would be fun |
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| 10:05.33 | Deathzor | is it jus me or is debian on phonomoko missing the fundementally important feature of MAKING AND GETTING PHONE CALLS ? |
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| 10:08.45 | thrashold | Deathzor: You can can get those working. Maybe. |
| 10:08.50 | thrashold | Deathzor: But mostly, yes. |
| 10:09.23 | Deathzor | thrashold: some how it has priority for me that i can make calls with my phone for some reason running openoffice seems less important. |
| 10:09.53 | thrashold | Running OpenOffice would be a bad idea anyway, when there's Abiword and Gnumeric |
| 10:10.12 | thrashold | People who run OOo do it to show off |
| 10:10.36 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i use debian on openmoko |
| 10:10.53 | PaulFertser | thrashold: on freerunner, and i'm using it as my only cellphone for 1.5 years |
| 10:10.54 | thrashold | Zhone can make phone calls, and it's the only thing that is in the repositories that it allows you to do this. It doesn't work for me. |
| 10:11.19 | PaulFertser | thrashold: it's not like that nowadays. Debian has SHR apps packaged since long. |
| 10:11.39 | thrashold | That's true, it took me a month to get them working, though |
| 10:11.50 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i'm not sure why you had such a dire problems |
| 10:11.52 | thrashold | And with the same success as with Zhone (no address book or messages) |
| 10:11.52 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: could you give me a link to a list of packages that allow me to make phonecalls on debian ? would be intrested.. |
| 10:12.03 | PaulFertser | thrashold: because here it worked out of the box |
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| 10:12.09 | thrashold | PaulFertser: Because there's no documentations mentioning that you need to install phoneui-shr manually |
| 10:12.38 | PaulFertser | thrashold: hm, yes. But somehow i guessed that. Probably after looking at the list of the project at shr repo or something. |
| 10:12.54 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: yes, that's basically phoneui-shr and it'll pull all the deps. |
| 10:13.01 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and of course Zhone is there |
| 10:13.05 | thrashold | Well, yes. But looking at those was the last thing I did :) |
| 10:13.36 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: but i'm currently using a self-compiled FSO directly from git repo, to be as close to upstream as possible. |
| 10:13.40 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and my Emacs UI to it. |
| 10:15.11 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: so effectively there is some sort of tool there just no gui for it ? |
| 10:15.24 | thrashold | Deathzor: There are two GUIs |
| 10:15.40 | thrashold | And more, if you count those that aren't in Debian yet |
| 10:15.50 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: SHR apps, Zhone, and Emacs UI are interfaces to the middleware -- FSO. |
| 10:16.35 | Deathzor | so techinical there is a lib to do the stuff that you can speak to aah oke its less worse then i toucht may just buy a openmoko as a second phone .. |
| 10:17.13 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: FSO currently is a set of daemons doing stuff you need and controllable via Dbus. |
| 10:18.03 | Deathzor | so techinically i could write a python app to do the interfacing ... |
| 10:18.08 | PaulFertser | Of course |
| 10:18.15 | PaulFertser | In fact Zhone is just that |
| 10:18.46 | thrashold | In fact, it should be trivial to write one, although I haven't attempted yet :P |
| 10:18.53 | PaulFertser | But Zhone doesn't use opimd to store contacts and messages. |
| 10:19.02 | Deathzor | aah oke :) so it sounds like its all to a point where i could exactly use the phone. |
| 10:19.21 | Deathzor | as a sort of beta product that is but still use it |
| 10:19.30 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: provided it has buzzfix, and you're ready to face occassional breakage, yes. |
| 10:20.32 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: so your saying i can use it as long is i don't try to get 100% uptime ? |
| 10:20.34 | thrashold | Deathzor: If you're that easily frustrated, you might consider SHR over Debian, too. :) |
| 10:21.09 | thrashold | contacts_default_backend = SIM-Contacts-FSO # Is this known to work? |
| 10:21.23 | Deathzor | thrashold: but i want to run real linux on my phone like something i worked with before linux ;) |
| 10:21.47 | thrashold | Deathzor: Me too, but then I don't use the Freerunner as a phone |
| 10:21.53 | Deathzor | i run gentoo on my desktop so i'm used to waiting btw :P thats not a big problem :P |
| 10:23.23 | Deathzor | thrashold: well personally i want more then a pda so i would like the calling features to work ... |
| 10:23.58 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: the hardware is pure crap |
| 10:23.59 | thrashold | it's more than just PDA, it's (a bit slow) handheld computer |
| 10:24.06 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: if you can tolerate that |
| 10:24.35 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: wait the hardware specs don't look to horrible to me considering its a mobile device |
| 10:24.35 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and ready to hack somewhat to get things working... |
| 10:25.03 | thrashold | You can play point & click games, view all kinds of documents (text, images, PDF, ODF, MS Office), browse the internet, IM |
| 10:25.04 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: no EDGE, old slow SoC, huge bottleneck because of using multimedia decellerator for uSD access. |
| 10:25.19 | thrashold | read email |
| 10:25.32 | thrashold | PIM is something I wouldn't use it for, but you can do that, too |
| 10:25.35 | PaulFertser | And slow graphics performance, due to the stupid decelerator again (and big VGA screen) |
| 10:25.49 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and btw, screen is hardly readable in direct sunlight. |
| 10:25.56 | thrashold | that too |
| 10:26.09 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: why do i get a feeling i'm better of putting debian on a n900 ? |
| 10:26.15 | thrashold | But you can get used to it, I can use TangoGPS in direct sunlight |
| 10:26.23 | Deathzor | then again i need to find out if i can make phonecalls with that .. |
| 10:26.27 | thrashold | Deathzor: Does this work already> |
| 10:26.50 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: n900 lacks usb hostmode (but it'll be hacked soon) |
| 10:27.03 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: n900 lacks easy connectivity for I2C or SPI devices |
| 10:27.14 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: n900 is damn expensive comparing to FR |
| 10:27.35 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: you can't get any telephony support currently on n900 at all (only proprietary shit there available) |
| 10:27.49 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: n900 kernel is old and unmaintained. |
| 10:27.58 | Deathzor | so i'm better of with a freerunner then ... |
| 10:28.03 | PaulFertser | Cryptic bme and other proprietary shit etc etc |
| 10:28.19 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: it's a nice device but it's not free, and not as hacker-friendly as FR. |
| 10:28.56 | Deathzor | thats kinda the hole point of getting a linux phone having a hack friend device so i can have a phone that can run my code and i can just generally mess around with .. |
| 10:29.53 | thrashold | Would a fuse mount manager (allowing to mount sshfs, obexfs with a GUI) be useful? |
| 10:30.28 | thrashold | I wrote one, but I'm lazy to test if it works, and to add more nice way to find an OBEX device and enable bluetooth and things :) Would it be useful to anybody? |
| 10:31.12 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: lets put it this way using it as a phone whats the major issues i'm gonna run into with a freerunner ? |
| 10:31.32 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: a buzzfixed one? |
| 10:32.06 | PaulFertser | If not -- gsm buzz. |
| 10:32.37 | thrashold | 2010.06.02 13:30:22.711 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled # Is there any way to find why GSM doesn't work at all? |
| 10:32.51 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: If yes -- you'll probably need to tweak alsamixer settings used during GSM calls and you'll get some result, but probably it won't be "ideal" sometimes. |
| 10:33.10 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: you'll probably need to restart telephony daemons sometimes. |
| 10:33.22 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: the ons that are currently for sell, then again wasn't the bussfix just disconnecting a wire in the phone ? |
| 10:34.00 | thrashold | Deathzor: Please also note that so far I haven't been able to get any telephone working at all on Debian ever after I removed my compiled SHR apps and replaced them with what's in Debian |
| 10:34.14 | thrashold | Deathzor: So there are some issues of unknown origin possible |
| 10:34.22 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: if you do not get #1024 hardware fix, you'll get not more than 70hrs of standby with GSM. And even if you do probably you won't be happy with battery life. |
| 10:34.43 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: buzzfix -- replacing one 0402 resistor and adding a big capacitor. |
| 10:35.23 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i'm sure those telephony on Debian issues can be solved by an experienced tinkerer |
| 10:36.10 | Deathzor | tbh i'm less worried about software the hardware problems are more of a pain. |
| 10:36.13 | Deathzor | software can be fixed |
| 10:36.31 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: buzzfix is a must. 1024 fix is optional |
| 10:36.37 | Deathzor | hardware means asking somebody to help me out because i suck @ hardware hacking. |
| 10:36.51 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: without bassfix you won't probably be able to use it as a music player too. |
| 10:37.02 | PaulFertser | (due to lack of bass) |
| 10:37.20 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: are these issue still open in the current generation of phones ? |
| 10:37.22 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: buzzfix is ~easy for anybody who did SMD soldering before. |
| 10:38.06 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: buzzfix is included in A7, 1024 and bass fixes never were performed at OM factory (though some distris offer reworked devices iirc). |
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| 10:39.56 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: wifi eats battery too, and it sometimes can't connect to some AP at all (probably SSID-related issue, since i was able to connect to one such point after changing its SSID). |
| 10:40.56 | Deathzor | is the 1024 or the bass fix hard to perform ? |
| 10:41.51 | SpeedEvil | Can you do SMD soldering? |
| 10:42.58 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: bass fix is probably harder than #1024, both are ~easy for an experienced guy. |
| 10:43.48 | thrashold | 1024 fix seems easy to do, I'm even tempted to perform it (although I 'm very bad at soldering) |
| 10:43.58 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: 1024 fix is basically dismounting a can (anybody can do that provided he's careful) and then changing (or soldering in parallel) a 0805 cap. |
| 10:43.58 | thrashold | the bass fix looks very hard |
| 10:44.12 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: the bass fix is documented on the wiki |
| 10:44.50 | PaulFertser | thrashold: well, not being really experienced or professional i did the bass fix (my way) without much issues. |
| 10:45.55 | thrashold | By not good at soldering I mean I've succeeded in tearing apart the tracks of my mouse :P |
| 10:46.06 | thrashold | but that was after replacing a button in it four times |
| 10:46.40 | thrashold | It still works woth the track separate from the PCB :D |
| 10:46.56 | thrashold | er, they weren't printed if it works |
| 10:47.09 | thrashold | but anyway |
| 10:47.10 | thrashold | :) |
| 10:47.42 | thrashold | Every time I try to fix the GSM on my FR, it gets worse |
| 10:50.36 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: so it sounds like your advicing me to ask a more skilled hardware hacker to have a look. |
| 10:54.19 | thrashold | gsm0710muxd fso-gsm0710muxd which of those two should I install? |
| 10:57.13 | thrashold | Hm, it doesn't work with either, but at least the first starts |
| 11:07.21 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: there is no real diagram of what exactly needs to be added for the bass fix ? |
| 11:08.01 | thrashold | OK, so I found the problem -> The GSM works with Zhone, ophoneuid doesn't request the GSM resource |
| 11:08.17 | thrashold | On the other hand, SIM messages don't work -> framework is reading them, but phoneui messages gets none |
| 11:08.51 | thrashold | And the code for SIM messages looks awful |
| 11:15.45 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: there're full schematics available, and the fix is just adding to caps in parallel to the components mentioned. |
| 11:15.55 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and anyway both bass and 1024 fixes are optional. |
| 11:16.15 | PaulFertser | thrashold: phoneui wants messages in opimd |
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| 11:16.21 | PaulFertser | thrashold: while zhone uses sim |
| 11:16.55 | thrashold | PaulFertser: I have configured opimd to use SIM |
| 11:17.17 | thrashold | PaulFertser: no messages in either Zhone or PhoneUI messages |
| 11:17.20 | PaulFertser | thrashold: sim backend support was removed quite some time ago. |
| 11:17.35 | PaulFertser | thrashold: so probably it simply doesn't work in your version |
| 11:17.41 | thrashold | Oh, so I'll have to use my other phone still |
| 11:17.51 | PaulFertser | thrashold: the only supported backend currently is sqlite db. |
| 11:18.08 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: the bass fix sounds kinda important to me. then 1024 fix i seem to care less about |
| 11:18.42 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: probably you can use some nice A2DP headphones instead of doing the bass fix. |
| 11:19.20 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: and if you do the bass fix, do 1024 too, because you've already device opened, and GSM can shield is easier to dismount and you have everything prepared for work etc. |
| 11:19.29 | thrashold | PaulFertser: by looking at the code, I find it unlikely that it ever worked |
| 11:19.40 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 11:21.51 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: wait is the bass issue effecting head phones or isn't it ? |
| 11:22.18 | thrashold | PaulFertser: Is the same true about SIM contacts? |
| 11:22.29 | Deathzor | because from what i read it is effecting headphones .. |
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| 11:27.55 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: headphones, yes. |
| 11:27.59 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: but not bluetooth |
| 11:28.27 | Deathzor | aah oke i guess thats a workaround :) |
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| 11:31.38 | quitte | hi. is there a reason other than typos that all the fb.modes lines that i found in the wiki and in qtmokos filesystem are weird? according to the manpage the first line is xres yres vxres yres depth - and i'd assume that the virtual resolution should be the same as the physical resolution? |
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| 12:06.27 | JaMa | do we have SHR wallpaper? :) |
| 12:06.45 | JaMa | I mean for desktop ie 1920x1200 |
| 12:09.45 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: you don't happen to know a shop that sells pre fixed phones btw ? ( somewhere in europe ) |
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| 12:19.40 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: i'm not sure, probably it was Pulster or Golden Delicious. |
| 12:19.52 | PaulFertser | Deathzor: you can try to search it on the ML archives. |
| 12:20.07 | Deathzor | golden delicious seems to have a broken webpage :P |
| 12:20.17 | dTb | JaMa: any news? did you make the unstable kernel? |
| 12:27.22 | JaMa | ? please remind me what we talked about before |
| 12:28.27 | JaMa | and btw there are newer gta0[12] images built few mins ago (if there is someone willing to test) |
| 12:29.12 | JaMa | but not much changed from user POV, maybe faster text rendering with newer cairo, calibration should work on all kernels but not after rotation |
| 12:29.57 | JaMa | and nothing new on 2.6.3x front (except fix for gcc-4.5.0 which wasn't pushed as nobody is probably building shr with gcc-4.5 execpt me) |
| 12:30.41 | JaMa | whatever news you can track on http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental |
| 12:31.32 | Deathzor | PaulFertser: i may just call the shop in belgium and ask them :) ( i speak flemish well kinda so should not be a big deal ) |
| 12:32.52 | dTb | JaMa: that's all we sayd yesterday that I'll try the latest kernel for gta01 |
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| 12:33.11 | dTb | I'll download those lastest and try |
| 12:36.54 | JaMa | dTb: not kernel.. but whole image please |
| 12:37.08 | JaMa | dTb: ah so you've changed nick, haven't you? |
| 12:37.45 | JaMa | dTb: and pointercal.xinput should be provided for om-gta01 too |
| 12:38.01 | JaMa | dTb: in image as well as pointercal-xinput package |
| 12:38.14 | dTb | ops sorry |
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| 12:39.21 | Tembos | JaMa: you said yesterday that I should try pointercal.xinput from gta02 |
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| 12:41.14 | JaMa | Tembos: it's not needed anymore |
| 12:41.19 | Tembos | ok |
| 12:41.29 | JaMa | http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=fb641200b65b3d3c465332efb1febab7001eff47 |
| 12:41.44 | JaMa | but still would be great if you confirm it works for you |
| 12:42.37 | JaMa | I mean not needed to use it from gta02.. but that file is still important :) |
| 12:44.15 | Tembos | I'll do it once I got everything downloaded. |
| 12:44.33 | Tembos | this is the third world so bandwith is expensive |
| 12:47.30 | JaMa | today I have read about zsync, not sure how it works, but it would probably help a lot as images are from big parts the same |
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| 13:20.23 | Tembos | downloaded the uImage |
| 13:20.29 | Tembos | downloaded the modules |
| 13:20.42 | Tembos | now downloading the shr-full-rootfs |
| 13:21.01 | Tembos | got a Kingston microSD 4G |
| 13:21.24 | Tembos | had partitioned vfat=100M ext3=the rest |
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| 14:08.01 | Tembos | shr-rootfs downloaded |
| 14:08.09 | Tembos | now untaring |
| 14:08.54 | Tembos | now untaring modules |
| 14:09.17 | Tembos | syncing |
| 14:09.56 | Tembos | eject |
| 14:19.31 | Tembos | repartition formating again neo1973 doesn't reconize the microsd |
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| 14:31.37 | Tembos | going to a 2G micro doesn't reconize the 4G |
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| 14:36.38 | JaMa | strange.. all my 2g/4g/8g cards worked in my gta02 |
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| 14:45.05 | Ar|stote|is | quick question: how can i check the status of the signal in tangogps? till it gets a fix. |
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| 15:01.37 | Tembos | JaMa: remember this is a gta01 |
| 15:02.15 | Tembos | JaMa: first thing different from testing branch |
| 15:03.07 | Tembos | JaMa: I got booted the cell with the 2G card and on the first boot I got the ssh to try xinput, on test I allways had to power off and on the second ssh started |
| 15:04.36 | Tembos | JaMa: really I need the xinput_calibrator? I clicked next and worked without running xinput |
| 15:06.04 | Tembos | finished the wizard |
| 15:06.21 | Tembos | see the local gsm network signal 100% |
| 15:06.25 | Tembos | will try a call now |
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| 15:10.51 | JaMa | Tembos: xinput_calibrator_once.sh is called from Xsession.d script and as I've pushed updated pointercal-xinput package containing /etc/pointercal.xinput (used by that script to restore calibration) you don't need to change anything |
| 15:17.10 | Tembos | first resume: without touching anything at all (only local area network), first boot, reconize the gsm network, send sms fail, receive sms works, cell call fail, receive a call ok second try but heard nothing, gps is not working, will try more without touching anything and tell you later |
| 15:20.25 | JaMa | good that's better than I expected... for particular issues would be better to fill tickets in shr trac |
| 15:20.31 | JaMa | Tembos: thanks for testing |
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| 16:11.39 | quitte | it seems that with new kernels mplayer-glamo doesn't work on fbdev anymore. is that also true for x? |
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| 16:18.45 | JaMa | mplayer-glamo = mplayer -vo glamo? |
| 16:18.49 | quitte | yes |
| 16:19.00 | JaMa | then both are wrong, both should work |
| 16:19.07 | JaMa | and X works even better |
| 16:20.11 | quitte | i gave shr another try. it's so slow compared to qtmoko that i'm having trouble believing that the graphics bus is the root cause. |
| 16:20.19 | Tembos | JaMa: I have installed uImage, sh-full-rootfs, modules |
| 16:20.29 | quitte | JaMa: i'll try to build my own kernel then |
| 16:20.48 | Tembos | JaMa: should I update all with opkg update? |
| 16:20.57 | Tembos | JaMa: or no need? |
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| 16:21.07 | JaMa | Tembos: you can, but only cairo is newer then last image |
| 16:21.15 | Tembos | ok |
| 16:21.37 | JaMa | ah and that's not built yet (still running) |
| 16:21.49 | JaMa | so opkg upgrade won't upgrade anything |
| 16:21.54 | Tembos | ok |
| 16:22.53 | Tembos | any other pkg you suggest? |
| 16:23.03 | Tembos | that is not on the roofs? |
| 16:24.30 | JaMa | to test? |
| 16:24.58 | JaMa | there is only a few (if any) gta01 specific packages outside full image |
| 16:25.57 | JaMa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.16 | JaMa | off to go home.. bbl |
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| 17:01.05 | b_52light | hi |
| 17:01.10 | b_52light | stupid quedtion |
| 17:01.21 | b_52light | Openmoko GTA02 already have a default battery |
| 17:01.25 | b_52light | no ned for another one |
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| 19:55.44 | max_posedon | hi! How much problems 2.6.34 have? Does it usable if I'll disable suspend? |
| 19:57.30 | max_posedon | and which branch should be used? (may be some gdrm from 2.6.32 better?) |
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| 22:46.04 | Tembos | JaMa|Zzzz: just for your known, today I started the latest shr, was working (with the problems you know) but, then I power off then reboot the phone and all gsm stuff didn't work again, tomorrow I'll try to redo everything |
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