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| 09:17.16 | eMBee | good afternoon |
| 09:17.38 | eMBee | needs help figuring out which uSD card works |
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| 09:17.53 | eMBee | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards is very confusing |
| 09:18.20 | PaulFertser | eMBee: indeed, but not much can be done about it. |
| 09:19.01 | PaulFertser | eMBee: most of the cards you can find work, some need lowering the frequency, and only a tiny amount of the cards available on the market do not work. |
| 09:19.28 | eMBee | so the chances of finding a non-working card are low... |
| 09:19.47 | eMBee | and may i guess even lower if i stick to brands like kingston or sandisk? |
| 09:20.34 | eMBee | checked in the market today, but they wouldn't let him test |
| 09:21.33 | eMBee | oh, that last comment on that page: Note that cards with a "no" may still work at times, but that we just have found their behaviour too erratic to consider acceptable. (Also note that this is a bug in our version of u-boot. The cards are probably fine.) this means, in theory all cards should work, if they don't it's a software issue? |
| 09:22.25 | eMBee | so there are no hardware limitations (other than the 16gb limit)? no issues with newer cards that didn't exist 2 years ago? |
| 09:25.39 | PaulFertser | eMBee: there's one thing: some cards fail to work due to gsm interference, but those are rare. |
| 09:26.02 | eMBee | ok |
| 09:26.08 | eMBee | thank you |
| 09:26.54 | eMBee | anyone here using qi-bootmenu? |
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| 09:39.35 | jluis | eMBee: I tested it from NOR ubot from SD. Why? |
| 09:40.23 | eMBee | i am just curious to know if it is in a workable state for daily use |
| 09:41.03 | eMBee | plans to get a larger uSD card and partition it for all the currently available distributions |
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| 09:46.19 | jluis | Using qi-bootmenu form SD & NOR got me a WSD |
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| 09:46.54 | eMBee | hmm |
| 09:47.43 | jluis | Using it From a ext3 partitions showed all kernels on SD worked bether |
| 09:49.03 | eMBee | you mean loading bootmenu into the nor as a kernel didn't work, but loading it from SD did? |
| 09:50.02 | eMBee | was planning to put it on the SD leaving kernel in the nor to boot without SD |
| 09:51.41 | PaulFertser | jluis: using NOR u-boot for booting is highly discouraged anyway |
| 09:52.01 | PaulFertser | jluis: it's too old and has known bugs/problems. |
| 09:52.10 | jluis | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-February/060237.html |
| 09:52.11 | PaulFertser | jluis: i do not understand why you used it all. |
| 09:53.31 | jluis | PaulFertser: I know but that way I didn't touch my NAND |
| 09:53.49 | PaulFertser | jluis: can't see any real benefits |
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| 10:12.50 | jluis | there aren't any beneficts |
| 10:13.14 | CVirus | LOL @ beneficts |
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| 10:16.40 | PaulFertser | CVirus: oh, so you're back again, waiting for lulz? ;) |
| 10:17.11 | CVirus | PaulFertser: come on .. I'm always here .. I just write from time to time |
| 10:20.51 | PaulFertser | CVirus: are you using FR? |
| 10:21.04 | CVirus | PaulFertser: nope |
| 10:21.27 | PaulFertser | CVirus: heh, why are you here then? ;) |
| 10:21.28 | CVirus | PaulFertser: I've always wanted to buy one but never had the chance |
| 10:21.47 | CVirus | PaulFertser: I had great interest in the project from the beginning and was waiting for the FR so bad |
| 10:21.55 | PaulFertser | Oh, i see. But they're getting more and more cheap, and there's plenty of used ones. |
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| 10:30.06 | zub | hm, what's the status of UBI + shr-u? I tried long time ago (sticking to default shr-u kernel) but always after few boots ubi broke and FR wouldn't boot. |
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| 10:35.39 | PaulFertser | zub: i seem to remember Weiss complained about irrecoverable ubi corruptions on unclean shutdown. |
| 10:37.50 | zub | ok, thx |
| 10:38.48 | zub | I'm keeping some older tested shr-u in NAND as an emergency field backup :) |
| 10:39.31 | zub | so I'm reluctant to experiment with NAND |
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| 12:32.51 | skillZ | hello all |
| 12:32.58 | ndnihil | howdy |
| 12:33.00 | skillZ | I need a little help |
| 12:33.09 | skillZ | my usb is knackered on my openmoko |
| 12:33.41 | skillZ | i am trying to use SHR right now |
| 12:34.00 | skillZ | although it seems to have some trouble |
| 12:34.16 | ndnihil | what's it doing/not doing? |
| 12:34.27 | skillZ | well getting it to connect to wireless is a drag |
| 12:34.47 | skillZ | i i tried mokoconnect and if just fails |
| 12:34.55 | skillZ | etiher it sits sayin trying to power on |
| 12:35.05 | skillZ | or it says something about not finding something in comman |
| 12:35.07 | ndnihil | wireless has nothing to do with usb |
| 12:35.43 | skillZ | I know wireless and usb are unrelated |
| 12:36.08 | skillZ | the wireless connector broke off |
| 12:36.12 | skillZ | it was sliding around |
| 12:36.19 | skillZ | and so had intermittent connection |
| 12:36.27 | skillZ | so i opened it up and soldered it back on |
| 12:36.33 | skillZ | but not good enough epparently |
| 12:36.40 | skillZ | now it charges but i can't use the port |
| 12:36.45 | ndnihil | check for shorts |
| 12:36.48 | skillZ | i did |
| 12:36.53 | skillZ | doesn't seem to be shorted |
| 12:37.06 | skillZ | but the connections may not be all that good |
| 12:37.10 | skillZ | its tiny :) |
| 12:37.15 | skillZ | anyway |
| 12:37.21 | skillZ | as long as it charges |
| 12:37.23 | ndnihil | uses a high power magnifier and a very fine tip when working on SMD |
| 12:37.27 | skillZ | i can use the wireless for everything else |
| 12:37.37 | skillZ | yes i know |
| 12:38.43 | skillZ | do most people use android now? |
| 12:38.58 | skillZ | and can you get a terminal ? |
| 12:39.00 | ndnihil | I've switched to a droid as my primary phone |
| 12:39.00 | skillZ | like root |
| 12:39.10 | ndnihil | and yes, you can root some versions of it on some phones |
| 12:39.26 | skillZ | I like android but i need to set the mtu for my wireless |
| 12:39.37 | skillZ | how do you do it on openmoko? |
| 12:39.41 | skillZ | root it i mean |
| 12:39.56 | skillZ | i know how to set mtu via adb |
| 12:40.03 | ndnihil | if you're using a moko phone, and throw android on it, you should have root by default |
| 12:40.05 | skillZ | but can i use it without usb? |
| 12:40.14 | ndnihil | the commercial versions are the only ones that are limited in access by default |
| 12:40.15 | skillZ | how do I get it> |
| 12:40.25 | skillZ | so i have no usb |
| 12:40.30 | ndnihil | dunno, never used android on my gta02 |
| 12:40.37 | skillZ | k |
| 12:40.43 | ndnihil | I'd sort out the usb problem before doing anything else |
| 12:40.46 | skillZ | what i need is to take the android image |
| 12:40.49 | ndnihil | you'll need to flash it via usb |
| 12:41.04 | skillZ | well i can install android via the card |
| 12:41.09 | skillZ | that is how i did it before |
| 12:41.15 | ndnihil | ah |
| 12:41.26 | skillZ | but i need to alter the image so that the wireless has the mtu set for my network |
| 12:41.35 | skillZ | i don't know how to do that |
| 12:41.46 | skillZ | or get root on the phone via some terminal app |
| 12:41.50 | skillZ | or some such thing |
| 12:41.56 | ndnihil | I wrote a perk+tk tool to set up my wireless+vpn |
| 12:41.56 | skillZ | i can't use adb |
| 12:42.04 | skillZ | oh ya |
| 12:42.05 | skillZ | hmm |
| 12:42.22 | skillZ | i am not sure i am going to be able to fix the usb |
| 12:42.28 | ndnihil | it calls the cli tools |
| 12:42.30 | skillZ | i have no magnifying glass |
| 12:42.47 | ndnihil | you should find someone local who has the right tools for it |
| 12:42.54 | skillZ | so suppose i unpack the android install on the card |
| 12:43.09 | skillZ | anyone know how i would alter it to make the mtu setting |
| 12:43.14 | skillZ | then i think i would be ok |
| 12:43.28 | skillZ | i would be able to charge it and i could use wireless for everything |
| 12:43.28 | ndnihil | couldnt tell you |
| 12:43.32 | skillZ | crapola |
| 12:44.00 | ndnihil | I'm still getting up to speed on android |
| 12:44.12 | skillZ | i don't want to go by magnifying glass and stuff |
| 12:44.38 | skillZ | i had a soldering iron although not a very fine one |
| 12:44.50 | ndnihil | then you dont want your phone to work very badly |
| 12:44.50 | skillZ | i managed to put the usb connector back on |
| 12:44.57 | skillZ | lol |
| 12:45.01 | skillZ | yes i do i am just cheap |
| 12:45.12 | skillZ | mostly i use it for the gps |
| 12:45.16 | skillZ | not as a phone |
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| 12:45.27 | skillZ | i can't get a sim card that works |
| 12:46.15 | ndnihil | mine is pretending it's a cd changer in the car |
| 12:46.38 | ndnihil | can even use the factory head unit cd changer controls |
| 12:46.54 | skillZ | wow |
| 12:47.06 | skillZ | there are many uses for this thing that is for sure |
| 12:47.16 | skillZ | that is why i originally bought it |
| 12:47.33 | skillZ | i am an electronics engineer |
| 12:47.39 | skillZ | but currently unemployed |
| 12:47.57 | skillZ | so no accesss to proper soldering tools anymore |
| 12:48.28 | ndnihil | every EE I knows has proper tools at home |
| 12:48.29 | ndnihil | s/knows/know/ |
| 12:48.35 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 12:49.09 | skillZ | i did have everything at one point |
| 12:49.12 | skillZ | got robbed |
| 12:49.22 | skillZ | lost about 30k worth of shit |
| 12:49.37 | ndnihil | they swiped your reflow oven eh? |
| 12:50.05 | skillZ | i was moving at the time |
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| 12:50.13 | skillZ | it was all in my truck |
| 12:50.17 | skillZ | everything gone |
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| 12:50.25 | ndnihil | doh |
| 12:50.26 | skillZ | scopes logic analyzers |
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| 12:50.30 | skillZ | everything |
| 12:50.32 | skillZ | anyway |
| 12:50.40 | skillZ | ya life has been a bit rough |
| 12:50.53 | skillZ | consequently |
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| 13:05.04 | skillZ | ok well thanks for chatting |
| 13:05.13 | skillZ | I will sort this out myself |
| 13:11.48 | PaulFertser | skillZ: i recommend manual wpa_supplicant way to get wireless. |
| 13:15.15 | skillZ | hmm |
| 13:15.16 | skillZ | ty |
| 13:15.24 | skillZ | i am using iliwi |
| 13:15.28 | skillZ | but it is flaky |
| 13:16.08 | PaulFertser | skillZ: have you read my "reliable wifi tips" message on community ML? |
| 13:16.14 | skillZ | ya |
| 13:16.18 | PaulFertser | skillZ: it basically sums up all i know about the topic. |
| 13:16.23 | skillZ | me too |
| 13:16.52 | skillZ | i wish i had better soldering capabilities |
| 13:17.58 | skillZ | i installed the latest android and i like it |
| 13:18.11 | skillZ | i just wish it had a terminal |
| 13:18.21 | skillZ | then i could ad-hoc it to my lappy |
| 13:18.30 | skillZ | that would be ideal |
| 13:19.00 | skillZ | not sure if its possible to talk to the gps daemon though |
| 13:19.13 | skillZ | which is what i do mostly with my openmoko |
| 13:19.32 | skillZ | with SHR |
| 13:20.04 | PaulFertser | skillZ: sorry, gotta go. Feel free to ping me about low-level questions. Be warned i know nothing about A though. |
| 13:20.16 | skillZ | cool thanks |
| 13:20.16 | PaulFertser | skillZ: good luck man |
| 13:20.19 | skillZ | ty |
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| 16:29.45 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:48.34 | Fox_Muldr | is there any specific place where i can nicely ask to include some linux apps (galculator, gnuplot) into the shr-feeds? |
| 18:49.16 | Heinervdm | Fox_Muldr: package request in SHR trac |
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| 18:50.51 | Fox_Muldr | ok tnx |
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