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| 04:08.35 | naquan | alarm-clock in Hackable:1 require up to 20MB :( |
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| 06:20.01 | blindcoder | naquan: wtf? |
| 06:48.04 | naquan | blindcoder: I'm just expecting its size 's smaller, it's a small utility anyway. |
| 06:50.09 | blindcoder | naquan: same here, that's why it suprises me |
| 06:50.24 | blindcoder | naquan: is that 20 MB filesystem or memory-when-running? |
| 06:54.22 | naquan | blindcoder: It's a sum cost of filesystem that apt-get gave me, other apps like xpdf and mplayer got similar amount of disk space 10~20MB :( |
| 06:55.28 | JaMa | it's app+needed libs only for it? |
| 06:55.49 | JaMa | like poppler for xpdf if there is no other app installed using poppler too? |
| 07:00.47 | naquan | JaMa: but the alarm-clock shouldn't cost that much disk space :( |
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| 07:02.52 | JaMa | well I don't know alarm-clock and don't use H:1, but if that count size as I said (no idea), and if it's written ie in different UI lib than rest of system, then it's sort of expected.. |
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| 07:10.52 | naquan | JaMa: is there some control of dependencies in other distributions (like SHR) in order to keep their size small? |
| 07:13.48 | JaMa | I don't understand, in SHR and all OE based distributions control runtime dependencies based on what is specified in recipe and what's linked to resulting binaries, so you cannot make it smaller ie in case of different UI |
| 07:15.08 | JaMa | the best approach is to use consistent UI lib across whole image (sharing installed .so) and use fine grained libs (to install only ie qt-core+qt-gui for app which don't care about qt-webkit) |
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| 11:58.58 | che | hmm was mich ein wenig nervt am shr (hab gestern auf unstable added) is einfach der fakt das es kleine finger vorraussetzt |
| 11:59.14 | che | added = updated... |
| 11:59.27 | che | oh sorry... man i am really not awake yet :D |
| 11:59.34 | che | wanted to send to the -de channel |
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| 14:06.46 | andli | hello openmoko hackers |
| 14:07.03 | andli | anyone here that are experienced in changing USB descriptors in uboot source code? |
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| 15:15.10 | sola | PaulFertser, please help, debian on free runner not registering to gsm network, here is frameworkd.log http://pastebin.com/B1yNnXpP |
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| 15:38.00 | PaulFertser | sola: are you sure you're not releasing the gsm resource too early? |
| 15:40.44 | sola | PaulFertser, how to check whether we are releasing gsm resource early? |
| 15:40.55 | PaulFertser | sola: what are you using to request it? |
| 15:41.57 | sola | PaulFertser, i am running zhone on lxde/illume window manager, internally dunno what is happening |
| 15:43.59 | PaulFertser | sola: if you run zhone from the terminal, you'll get some output, probably there're hints there. |
| 15:45.16 | sola | PaulFertser, here is zhone log..http://pastebin.com/B5NrmNdd |
| 15:49.18 | PaulFertser | sola: can you enable more debug for the frameworkd? Specifically, ousaged debug? |
| 15:51.28 | sola | PaulFertser, in /etc/frameworkd.conf, disable=0 for ousaged right? |
| 15:51.48 | PaulFertser | sola: aha, so you're using fsousaged? |
| 15:52.32 | PaulFertser | sola: i mean what are you using, ousaged or fsousaged? |
| 15:53.07 | sola | PaulFertser, fsousaged...found from ps output |
| 15:54.29 | PaulFertser | sola: ok, so do you have something interesting in its log? |
| 15:54.49 | PaulFertser | sola: if not, try to enable debug in /etc/freesmartphone/fsousaged.conf and restart fsousaged. |
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| 15:55.16 | PaulFertser | sola: probably you might also want to use this utility to check what's going on: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 |
| 15:55.49 | sola | PaulFertser, ok, |
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| 15:56.41 | sola | PaulFertser, found a message "Resource GSM can't be enabled: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.. Trying to disable instead |
| 15:56.42 | sola | " |
| 15:59.27 | PaulFertser | sola: hm, so that looks like ogsmd was too slow for fsousaged... |
| 16:00.14 | sola | PaulFertser, switching to ousaged can be a solution, or to fix ogsmd? |
| 16:01.53 | PaulFertser | sola: yes, ousaged should work. But probably it's debug for ogsmd that makes it that slow? |
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| 16:03.29 | sola | PaulFertser, will try to disable ogsmd debug and try |
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| 16:09.04 | sola | PaulFertser, how can i switch to ousaged, some change in any conf file? |
| 16:09.45 | PaulFertser | sola: disable dbus activation for fsousaged and disable=0 in /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 16:10.02 | sola | PaulFertser, ok |
| 16:11.10 | badcloud | JaMa: thanks for the mdbus2 advice. what I meant is that issuing mdbus2 commands is not within my abilities |
| 16:11.28 | badcloud | (we talked yesterday) |
| 16:16.21 | Weiss | Upon request NoMachine will deliver all the relative third-party source |
| 16:16.21 | Weiss | code, consistent with the licensing terms of the original software, and |
| 16:16.22 | Weiss | documentation at the cost of the postage charges incurred. |
| 16:16.42 | Weiss | whoops.. paste error |
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| 18:36.54 | hackerb9 | Quick question, how do I right click without plugging in a USB mouse? |
| 18:37.31 | hackerb9 | I've got a bluetooth keyboard and an old version of SHR. |
| 18:37.44 | hackerb9 | So, I've tried alt-click but itr doesn't seem to work. |
| 18:41.28 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Illume_desktop |
| 18:43.12 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1064 |
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| 18:47.20 | thrashold | The copy/paste table isn't cool :/ |
| 18:48.49 | hackerb9 | Thanks, Paul. |
| 18:49.17 | hackerb9 | My SHR is too old and doesn't have the L button, but that xinput command should do the trick, as soon as I find the pkg for it. |
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| 18:51.17 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: if you already use xorg an alternative would be to remap keys with xmodmap. Let me dig out the trick i used. |
| 18:51.57 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg34294.html |
| 18:55.01 | hackerb9 | I tried xmodmap first and was surprised it didn't work. |
| 18:55.31 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: probably your SHR is so old that it uses xglamo. |
| 18:58.16 | hackerb9 | Yeah, it's using xglamo. |
| 19:00.01 | hackerb9 | Installed xinput; fails to work. No touchscreen device and telling it to use "pointer" throws X BadDevice errors. |
| 19:01.14 | hackerb9 | Is the new xserver faster than xglamo? |
| 19:01.15 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: heh, time to update? |
| 19:01.41 | hackerb9 | Yeah, I tried upgrading recently (April 1st). The "testing" version of SHR was unusable as a phone. |
| 19:01.43 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: nobody's using xglamo, i guess there's a reason for that :) |
| 19:03.49 | hackerb9 | Do you have any recommendations for what would be good version of SHR (or any distribution) to upgrade to to use as a phone? |
| 19:04.13 | hackerb9 | I've been meaning to try Debian, but the install process failed for me. |
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| 19:05.47 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: i used debian for more than 1.5 years as my only phone... And currently i'm running self-compiled bleeding edge FSO on debian with my emacs UI. |
| 19:06.00 | hackerb9 | That sounds perfect. |
| 19:06.21 | hackerb9 | Are there instructions for doing that on the wiki? |
| 19:09.22 | hackerb9 | Google is giving me no joy for "emacs UI". |
| 19:10.00 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: hm, i guess it's right the time i publish my steps. Are you interested? My code is here: http://wiki.github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/ |
| 19:10.27 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: i just finished basic support for everything i wanted today and was going to write an e-mail to the community ML. |
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| 19:11.39 | PaulFertser | (everything i wanted to do before the first "public" release) |
| 19:12.38 | hackerb9 | I'm totally interested. |
| 19:13.47 | hackerb9 | fso.el looks great. |
| 19:13.47 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: i have no instructions for installing debian itself, as i did it semi-manually being guided by install.sh (it didn't support Qi at the time, and i wanted Qi). But i am going to publish a tarball allowing for easy HEAD following for FSO components. |
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| 19:15.07 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: btw, it's my first experience with "FP" (yes, i know elisp is not a good example) and elisp in particular, so i'm very open to any feedback code-wise (and of course UI-wise too). |
| 19:15.18 | hackerb9 | I guess I'll just give the Debian install another go. I think the script failed because I was setting environment variables so it wouldn't wipe out the distributions I already had on the SD card. |
| 19:15.26 | dvermd | hackerb9, you may try qtmoko that is build on top of debian. It is really fast and the only distribution I can use as my daily phone |
| 19:16.03 | hackerb9 | Qtmoko is debian? I had no idea. |
| 19:16.27 | dvermd | yes, it is |
| 19:16.53 | hackerb9 | Nifty, sounds like with Qtmoko + Ferster's emacs script I'll be in heaven. |
| 19:17.29 | hackerb9 | Does QtMoko use the standard apt repositories? |
| 19:17.40 | dvermd | yes |
| 19:17.54 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: no, my UI is only for FSO, the APIs are totally different. |
| 19:17.57 | PaulFertser | Sorry |
| 19:17.59 | dvermd | but it uses framebuffer I think |
| 19:18.12 | dvermd | and not fso |
| 19:18.28 | hackerb9 | Oh, I had assumed I'd be able to apt-get install FSO. |
| 19:19.19 | dvermd | hackerb9, there's a hack to use X applications but that's not the primary applications of this distribution |
| 19:19.33 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: if you want FSO, just use plain debian. |
| 19:19.41 | hackerb9 | But does FSO require X? |
| 19:19.59 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: and you can use the method of native compilation + distcc which allows me to upgrade to the HEAD of fsogsmd in less than 30 minutes. |
| 19:20.00 | hackerb9 | I had thought of FSO as a DBUS api. |
| 19:20.07 | dvermd | hackerb9, I don't think so |
| 19:20.53 | dvermd | hackerb9, but you'll need some way to use the screen |
| 19:21.10 | hackerb9 | I don't know distcc; is that what you're writing the howto on today? |
| 19:21.10 | dvermd | hackerb9, framebuffer or X |
| 19:21.31 | hackerb9 | I see. So QtMoko only runs Qt apps? |
| 19:21.41 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: FSO is middleware exposed over dbus, yes. It doesn't need X. |
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| 19:22.12 | dvermd | hackerb9, If you wan't debian and fso, qtmoko is no need |
| 19:23.02 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: distcc is trivial: you do ``export CC="distcc arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc'' on your device before "./configure", install arm cross-compiler on your host, add your host to ~/.distcc/..something.. , start distccd --allow <FR's IP> on host. That's it, a big speedup for the native compilation. |
| 19:24.18 | hackerb9 | Ah, nice. Can distcc send commands over SSH or will I have to change the IP in the config file all the time? (Dynamic IP) |
| 19:24.59 | dvermd | PaulFertser, that's something I didn't know, is all that in a wiki or is it just simple distcc use and any tutorial would give that process ? |
| 19:25.08 | hackerb9 | dvermd, If QtMoko is so easy to install, I might just try it first anyway since plain Debian gave me guff. |
| 19:25.49 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: i think distcc is using direct connection to the host and port you specify. You can use SSH's port forwarding feature and configure distcc to use localhost:1234 i guess. |
| 19:26.03 | PaulFertser | dvermd: i think the latter |
| 19:26.38 | hackerb9 | Yeah, portforwarding should be easy to automate. |
| 19:27.00 | hackerb9 | Although, I suppose I could automate scp'ing the config file. |
| 19:27.32 | PaulFertser | Damn easy as well if you use ssh keys. |
| 19:28.13 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: are you using Debian on your host right atm? Can you check if debian's emacs23 build supports D-bus? |
| 19:28.17 | PaulFertser | Please :) |
| 19:28.44 | hackerb9 | My host? I'm logged in on my freerunner running SHR> |
| 19:28.49 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: your PC |
| 19:28.57 | hackerb9 | I'm nowhere near a PC. |
| 19:29.06 | hackerb9 | Sorry. |
| 19:29.08 | PaulFertser | np :) |
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| 19:43.57 | PaulFertser | mickey|sports: hey :) So do you probably have any suggestion what else should i rebuild with your latest vala tarball? |
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| 20:50.54 | ftn | Hi there. I'm using SHR-t and, from time to time, the keyboard doesn't send the keys being pressed. Any hint about it?, please |
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