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| 02:59.08 | rooly | oy vey |
| 02:59.30 | rooly | PaulFertser, don't mean to bother you again, but you wouldn't happen to remember that old fix to get gcc to compile on the FR would you? |
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| 04:43.12 | rooly | ... |
| 04:43.15 | rooly | this is really insane |
| 04:43.28 | rooly | me is trying to compile shr-launcher from svn |
| 04:43.36 | rooly | ...i am |
| 04:44.20 | rooly | anywho, either i'm crazy, or the guy set anjuta's environment-wide includes to the ones necessary for compiling, versus project-wide |
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| 04:49.16 | rooly | hey, DocScrutinizer-8, want a challenge? |
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| 05:43.52 | PaulFertser | rooly: np |
| 05:43.58 | PaulFertser | rooly: what error do you get? |
| 05:44.09 | PaulFertser | rooly: basically you need gcc, libc6-dev and binutils. |
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| 05:55.51 | tomcatek | is there any way to choose which packages should be included into image and which not? |
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| 07:21.00 | riktking | anyone have any experiance with G1's ? |
| 07:26.44 | PaulFertser | riktking: yes, GNUtoo and leviathan. |
| 07:27.40 | PaulFertser | riktking: i guess you want to read the latest mail by Mickey at smartphones-userland ML wrt support of HTC Dream. |
| 07:30.12 | riktking | nice one |
| 07:31.06 | riktking | thanks |
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| 08:20.57 | siebz0r | GIT connection reset by peer |
| 08:21.05 | siebz0r | GIT service down? |
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| 08:38.33 | cz_jc | btw. I forgot to tell yesterday, apparently http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz is missing some files making it impossible to compile a kernel from it (for example the asm directory) |
| 08:38.48 | cz_jc | and yes, I did git reset --hard |
| 08:39.49 | cz_jc | pulling from the OM repo still doesn't work. I'd really like to compile my kernel finally :/ |
| 08:40.05 | cz_jc | did anyone else try ? or is it a problem on my part ? |
| 08:41.13 | siebz0r | I'm trying to get the src too |
| 08:41.34 | cz_jc | siebz0r, are you getting this too? fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer |
| 08:41.39 | siebz0r | y |
| 08:41.54 | siebz0r | can you clone from http? |
| 08:41.55 | cz_jc | so looks like the git server is down or something, right ? |
| 08:42.11 | siebz0r | looks like it |
| 08:42.13 | cz_jc | siebz0r, ah.. I didn't know you could |
| 08:42.25 | cz_jc | siebz0r, you just replace the git:// by http:// ? |
| 08:42.33 | siebz0r | I think so :) |
| 08:42.34 | cz_jc | in .git/config |
| 08:42.38 | cz_jc | I'll try |
| 08:43.12 | cz_jc | siebz0r, oh yes ! I got communication :) |
| 08:43.17 | cz_jc | error: Your local changes to '.mailmap' would be overwritten by merge. Aborting. |
| 08:43.22 | cz_jc | this again, but I know how to solve it |
| 08:43.31 | siebz0r | -f parameter ;-) |
| 08:44.22 | cz_jc | thats really nifty.. why do a git server when it can sync over reliable http ? |
| 08:44.39 | Heinervdm | try this checkout: http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_e62a4ae1c6783f41b41a9ac3d258786586b65a40.tar.gz but that's not the git repo, ist just the code |
| 08:45.04 | cz_jc | Heinervdm, I'd prefer the repo so I can keep up to date easily |
| 08:45.16 | cz_jc | since it works again via http, I'm happy :) |
| 08:45.32 | cz_jc | siebz0r, thanks for your suggestion |
| 08:45.39 | siebz0r | It works? |
| 08:45.46 | cz_jc | siebz0r, yep |
| 08:45.49 | siebz0r | NICE |
| 08:46.08 | cz_jc | siebz0r, in your git repo, open .git/config and modify the source URL, thats all you need to do |
| 08:46.18 | siebz0r | I couldn't get the git repo, so I wanted to try it :P no idea it would work |
| 08:46.50 | cz_jc | siebz0r, you can get it faster by getting the shr git kernel tarball |
| 08:47.05 | cz_jc | sicu, but its missing some vital files so you need to pull before you can use it |
| 08:47.13 | siebz0r | yeah, first get the tarball, then git pull |
| 08:47.15 | cz_jc | its here: http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz |
| 08:47.32 | cz_jc | siebz0r, before pull, you need to rewrite the config to get from http instead of git |
| 08:47.53 | cz_jc | also you need to do git reset --hard (which places files from repo to working directory) |
| 08:52.18 | siebz0r | wget tarball ; git reset --hard ; git pull http://gitrepo ; git checkout branch |
| 08:52.33 | siebz0r | that's the way it should be (I think) |
| 08:52.54 | cz_jc | so which branch is leading edge nowadays? andy-tracking, ar6000 or gdrm ? |
| 08:53.31 | cz_jc | siebz0r, or you can modify the .git/config and just write git pull :) |
| 08:53.43 | cz_jc | siebz0r, but it should work too I think |
| 08:54.08 | siebz0r | I think andy-tracking, this should be the most up-to-date branch |
| 08:54.37 | siebz0r | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary here's the info I found |
| 08:55.14 | cz_jc | siebz0r, looks like gdrm has newer commits, but I dunno how stable it is or what it is anyway |
| 08:55.35 | cz_jc | I guess whatever fixes glamo is good |
| 09:01.51 | cz_jc | btw. is there a way to autoconfigure wiki on kernel boot (to have rootfs on nfs over wifi) ? |
| 09:01.56 | cz_jc | *wifi |
| 09:02.28 | siebz0r | not that I know |
| 09:03.34 | siebz0r | wifi needs an application to opperate, wifi can't go over BIOS (or firmware or whatever). |
| 09:03.42 | cz_jc | ok gdrm doesn't even compile |
| 09:03.43 | cz_jc | drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-core.c:1075: error: too few arguments to function 'set_irq_noprobe' |
| 09:04.00 | siebz0r | do you use the build script? |
| 09:04.19 | cz_jc | nope, but I compiled OM kernel from git plenty of times |
| 09:06.32 | siebz0r | hmm.. |
| 09:06.50 | siebz0r | 'cause the wiki says that you have to use the build script |
| 09:07.20 | cz_jc | I can cross compile a kernel and make a dfu image. it worked for me 10 times or so |
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| 09:11.30 | siebz0r | I've never compiled a OM kernel, so I don't know |
| 09:11.48 | siebz0r | but I would say; giv it a try |
| 09:13.16 | cz_jc | hah, my mistake, I used a bad .config. I'll give gdrm another try |
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| 09:14.20 | siebz0r | what are the advantages of gdrm? |
| 09:14.42 | cz_jc | siebz0r, I have no idea. But it has 4 days old commits as opposed to andy-tracking |
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| 09:17.26 | siebz0r | first hit @ google: 2.6.32 kernel |
| 09:17.36 | siebz0r | that's newer than on my laptop :') |
| 09:20.55 | cz_jc | hmm.. no gta02-pm-wlan.c:(.text+0x3c8): undefined reference to `pcf50633_bl_set_brightness_limit' |
| 09:21.30 | cz_jc | me can't link the kernel |
| 09:22.53 | cz_jc | looks like someone is missing dependency for BACKLIGHT_PCF50633 |
| 09:24.05 | badcloud | has anyone implimented animation on incoming call/sms? |
| 09:24.07 | badcloud | shr |
| 09:24.45 | cz_jc | badcloud, you can get fso to launch mplayer on incoming call, lol |
| 09:25.12 | badcloud | cool, how? |
| 09:25.20 | cz_jc | badcloud, oh boy.. |
| 09:25.53 | badcloud | cz_jc: didn't pick up on the sarcasm |
| 09:25.57 | badcloud | shame on you ;) |
| 09:26.12 | cz_jc | badcloud, well, you'll need to read up on the dbus interface and figure something out |
| 09:26.17 | badcloud | right |
| 09:26.51 | cz_jc | badcloud, why would you want to see an animation on incoming call on a phone that barely manages to show a normal dialog window in time ? |
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| 09:27.28 | badcloud | idealy it would be embedded in the dialog window |
| 09:28.02 | cz_jc | badcloud, then you'd have to modify the frontend apps that get launched when you get a call then |
| 09:28.09 | badcloud | got it |
| 09:28.10 | badcloud | thanks |
| 09:28.13 | cz_jc | np |
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| 09:45.01 | Weiss | siebz0r: 2.6.32-gdrm contains "experimental" KMS/DRM stuff for Glamo |
| 09:45.45 | siebz0r | experimental <3 |
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| 09:50.13 | siebz0r | http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/dri-for-the-freerunner.html |
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| 10:44.56 | eMBee | good afternoon |
| 10:45.45 | eMBee | just got a neo freerunner off a friend and flashed it with the latest shr testing image |
| 10:47.07 | eMBee | i put a simcard inside, but for some reason i can't turn on GSM |
| 10:50.38 | h4v | Does simcard have PIN enabled? |
| 10:51.07 | eMBee | we,, the card is working in another phone |
| 10:51.17 | PaulFertser | eMBee: is GSM firmware the latest? |
| 10:51.33 | eMBee | i believe so, i flasshed gsm firmware yesterday |
| 10:52.23 | PaulFertser | eMBee: than i'd suggest you to take a look at the framework logs to try to find out what and why happens with gsm activation. |
| 10:52.36 | eMBee | ok |
| 10:56.12 | PaulFertser | eMBee: and of course the usual advice on cleaning the sim holder contacts applies. |
| 10:56.35 | siebz0r | kernel modules? |
| 10:56.54 | PaulFertser | siebz0r: not needed for gsm |
| 10:57.16 | siebz0r | :> |
| 10:57.57 | eMBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.22 | Heinervdm | eMBee: latest testing image seems to have some problems. You can try an older one. |
| 10:59.32 | Heinervdm | but don't ask wich one :P |
| 10:59.45 | eMBee | oh, heh |
| 11:00.15 | Heinervdm | eMBee: if you have an error in your /var/log/frameworkd.log about python _ctypes |
| 11:00.18 | Heinervdm | then just upgrade |
| 11:00.27 | Heinervdm | that should be fixed |
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| 11:21.42 | eMBee | ok, thanks, i'll look into that |
| 11:23.03 | eMBee | tried to install android yesterday but that failed totally, flashing was stuck at a white screen... |
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| 14:03.46 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!" |
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| 15:12.53 | Cristianpark | Hi there |
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| 15:41.55 | d1b | damn it why isn't there going to be a 0m3 |
| 15:41.58 | d1b | om3 * |
| 15:42.10 | d1b | the om2 was ok but neeedz 3g |
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| 15:46.12 | SpeedEvil | Because finding a backer is hard - especially now the n900 has decapitated the market. |
| 15:46.45 | SpeedEvil | You've - to get decent sales - either to come in at a fraction of the n900s price - hard, or to beat it on features - essentially impossible. |
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| 15:47.07 | SpeedEvil | A serious attempt at a new phone will cost a large fraction of a million dollars. |
| 15:47.15 | d1b | the n900 looks nice |
| 15:47.38 | SpeedEvil | For development, and maybe an initial batch of 2000 |
| 15:47.51 | d1b | did the om2 cost that much? |
| 15:47.56 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.04 | SpeedEvil | But at 2000, you're nowhere near interesting volumes from many vendors, and sourcing parts will be really hard. |
| 15:48.35 | SpeedEvil | OM was able - as I understand it - at least initially - to piggyback sourcing on FIC - which made their tasks easier. |
| 15:48.57 | SpeedEvil | OM - the company - has reportedy no interest in making new phones. |
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| 15:49.25 | d1b | :( |
| 15:50.25 | SpeedEvil | the n900 is indeed nice. |
| 15:50.32 | d1b | yes i don't have one tho :( |
| 15:50.49 | SpeedEvil | It has some openness issues, but is overall quite open. |
| 15:50.51 | d1b | can it run x11 apps? |
| 15:51.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:51.26 | d1b | oh neat |
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| 15:51.35 | SpeedEvil | maemo is currently based around gtk |
| 15:51.51 | SpeedEvil | though with a library on top. QT is being added to the mix. |
| 15:51.58 | SpeedEvil | next firmware update |
| 15:52.12 | d1b | ok |
| 15:52.19 | d1b | why qt... |
| 15:52.26 | d1b | well rather why move from gtk to qt |
| 15:52.32 | d1b | despite nokia owning qt |
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| 15:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Meego is based around qt - or is planned to be. |
| 15:53.55 | SpeedEvil | meego = maemo + moblin. - nokia+intel |
| 15:55.43 | Cristianpark | I think it's quite hard to try to quit users from nokia with a cellphone that is oriented to geeks like OpenMoko |
| 15:56.22 | d1b | mm? |
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| 15:58.31 | SpeedEvil | Cristianpark: I mean - if you are buying a phone - you have to be really hardcore to ignore the n900, compared to a hypoterical third OM device - even if the OM device is completely open - unless it's also substantially cheaper. |
| 15:59.27 | SpeedEvil | Cristianpark: As the n900 is quite open - you can develop in any language you like - flash a new kernel, even a whole new OS. (though you will need some nokia binaries running in a chroot) |
| 16:01.50 | Cristianpark | SpeedEvil: I agree with you, I complement your comments with saying that OM can't win against a nokia or other stablish company cellphone, when the FreeRunner is more to geeks than to final users 'cause his hardware/software bugs |
| 16:02.52 | SpeedEvil | OM could have - IMO - brought out a slightly tweaked version of gta01 - with a - slightly - more polished 2007.* stack - and had a usable basic phone ready for xmas 2007. |
| 16:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Which would have been a compelling device. |
| 16:03.32 | d1b | hahaha and not reinvent the software in different libs 3 / 4 times ! |
| 16:03.33 | SpeedEvil | But it seemed at that point that 02 would be so much shinier that waiting for new hardware wasn't an insane decision. |
| 16:03.37 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:04.00 | SpeedEvil | That wouldn't have been so much of an issue if they were nokia. And could put a hundred people on it. |
| 16:04.07 | SpeedEvil | Doing that on a shoestring however... |
| 16:04.23 | d1b | SHR proves it can be done |
| 16:04.25 | d1b | with FSO |
| 16:04.30 | d1b | etc. |
| 16:05.26 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 16:05.36 | SpeedEvil | But 2-3 years late. |
| 16:05.40 | SpeedEvil | (for commerciality) |
| 16:05.54 | d1b | sure |
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| 16:06.33 | SpeedEvil | In some ways of course - n900 is bad for hacking. In that it's a working system. |
| 16:06.45 | SpeedEvil | And I don't want to bork it, and have my mp3/.. player not work |
| 16:07.24 | Cristianpark | OpenMoko give us something another cellphone can't give us: Almost Absolutely Freedom. But face it: most users doesn't care about freedom. That's why there's not enough resources for making another release IMHO |
| 16:08.30 | SpeedEvil | Especially when in china - there will be maybe a dozen companies working on linux phones of cvarious degrees of openness now. |
| 16:09.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.hothandset.com/2007/06/nokla-n95-a-nokia-n95-clone/ |
| 16:10.15 | Cristianpark | Nokla rulz |
| 16:10.44 | Cristianpark | yeah, cellphones sell it's a hard market |
| 16:11.43 | Cristianpark | but IMHO OpenMoko will stay with us for a long time since we're are happy with our FreeRunners and we are enjoying of having a FR |
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| 16:12.10 | SpeedEvil | sure. |
| 16:12.45 | Cristianpark | I'm quite happy with mine, doesn't use it as my main cellphone 'cause the Buzz issue but when I carry it everywhere and when I can, I play with it |
| 16:12.52 | Cristianpark | love it :D |
| 16:14.08 | SpeedEvil | My neo1973 is currently dissasembled - awaiting integration as a microwave oven controller. |
| 16:14.21 | SpeedEvil | I have a nice microwave with a broklen controller. |
| 16:14.43 | SpeedEvil | I want to add features like 'simmer maintaining humidity in output at 5% higher than output' |
| 16:14.56 | SpeedEvil | which will boil a covered dish gently |
| 16:16.55 | d1b | SpeedEvil: just turn up the radiation ;P |
| 16:17.03 | d1b | openmoko microwave! |
| 16:20.29 | tomcatek | SpeedEvil: i tought You want to have SMS-activated microwave :) |
| 16:20.48 | SpeedEvil | tomcatek: naah. That'd be silly. |
| 16:20.59 | SpeedEvil | tomcatek: Wifi - maybe. |
| 16:21.37 | SpeedEvil | Being able to schedule cooking times would be nice. |
| 16:21.58 | SpeedEvil | So I can come into a steaming bowl of porridge. |
| 16:22.18 | Cristianpark | guys, I was trying to see FreeRunner apps on Desktop |
| 16:22.44 | Cristianpark | and I successfully done it with ssh -X option |
| 16:23.47 | Cristianpark | I launched mokomaze but since I can't see mokomaze gui on FreeRunner, I couldn't control the ball |
| 16:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | hah, back to normal operation, and even a sane qwerty kbd now :-D |
| 16:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | -> dinner |
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| 16:34.02 | Cristianpark | and I couldn't quit mokomaze from desktop because it takes fullscreen and have no quit option and the mouse pointer doesn't move |
| 16:34.16 | Cristianpark | so I have to kill mokomaze process from the FreeRunner |
| 16:34.51 | Cristianpark | my questions are two: there is a way to launch a FR application in both, FR and PC Desktop |
| 16:35.06 | Cristianpark | so I can see what i'm doing in both sides? |
| 16:37.21 | SpeedEvil | vnc or similar can do that |
| 16:37.36 | SpeedEvil | No(?) X application supports two displays at once. |
| 16:37.57 | SpeedEvil | The underlying X lubrary does not support this, so it's hard for programs to do |
| 16:38.20 | Cristianpark | mmm I see |
| 16:39.05 | Cristianpark | I'll try information on wiki about VNC |
| 16:40.19 | Cristianpark | the other question is how I can terminate the application from the Desktop |
| 16:40.24 | Cristianpark | there is a way to do so? |
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| 16:45.32 | mjr | Xblast supports multiple displays as a method of multiplayer. I think emacs might support it too, or then I'm confusing memories of gnuserv. |
| 16:45.52 | mjr | 'course, the application needs to do dirty work for that kinda stuff itself |
| 16:46.14 | mjr | oh yeah, Xevil also |
| 16:48.13 | Cristianpark | so, the best way is using vnc |
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| 16:49.34 | Cristianpark | I did opkg install x11vnc on SHR |
| 16:49.34 | Cristianpark | and I got: opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package x11vnc |
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| 16:52.20 | Cristianpark | I'm sorry, I lost internet connection and don't know if my comments were or not posted |
| 16:52.36 | Cristianpark | so here they are: I did opkg install x11vnc on SHR...and I got: opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package x11vnc |
| 16:52.44 | Cristianpark | anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 16:52.51 | Cristianpark | SHR Testing |
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| 20:36.50 | zub | hm... on shr unstable (image from 20th) GPS is not working for me |
| 20:37.07 | zub | is it a known issue? |
| 20:37.38 | zub | Im reluctant to upgrade, as Im gonna need my phone tomorrow |
| 20:38.01 | zub | what's the current state of shr-u? |
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| 20:55.06 | raanan | Tuju_: if you haven't found an answer yet, try over at #qtmoko |
| 20:55.37 | Tuju_ | raanan: thanks |
| 20:59.18 | raanan | np |
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| 23:03.14 | chomwitt | hi. i am newbie. Sometimes while in lock mode after a while screen gets black and i cant even close it from the power buttin |
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| 23:39.59 | swoody | I don't remember who it was, but a million thanks to whomever linked me to the volume wiki the other day :D |
| 23:40.16 | swoody | both earpiece and mic sound *great* now! |
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