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| 00:53.23 | Slaxxed | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 00:53.42 | Slaxxed | latest uimage wont save |
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| 07:24.01 | andylockran | jeua guys |
| 07:24.05 | andylockran | rahter heya |
| 07:24.28 | andylockran | having a problem flashing my moko- battery seems to die after about 3 minutes |
| 07:24.36 | andylockran | but then loads up fine a little later |
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| 07:27.07 | PaulFertser | andylockran: do you mean the device turns off during flashing via dfu? |
| 07:27.13 | andylockran | yup |
| 07:29.08 | PaulFertser | andylockran: hm, it shouldn't be a problem with battery because if dfu-util finds the device, it means it's enumerated on bus and that means it's allowed to draw 500mA, so it needs no battery. |
| 07:29.40 | andylockran | that's kinda the conclusion I came to |
| 07:29.49 | PaulFertser | andylockran: but if you're using NOR u-boot, it has an idle timeout of 30 sec. |
| 07:29.52 | andylockran | as then cu'ing in shows that it's drawing the higher charge |
| 07:30.09 | andylockran | it's longer than 30 second |
| 07:30.15 | andylockran | this is a GTA01 btw.. |
| 07:30.30 | PaulFertser | andylockran: heh, that makes a completely different story. |
| 07:30.36 | andylockran | bought on release day - finally got round to having a play :) |
| 07:31.08 | andylockran | I have dfu'd a new kernel fine, but rootfs no luck. |
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| 07:31.51 | PaulFertser | andylockran: i'm afraid for gta01 you'll need a fully charged battery to flash. You can use either any charged nokia BL-4/5/6C or charge your moko battery in a cheap (that's important) nokia-compatible charger. |
| 07:32.16 | PaulFertser | andylockran: and if your battery looks "pregnant" it means you have to replace it. |
| 07:32.22 | andylockran | balls |
| 07:32.43 | andylockran | it's only 6 weeks preggers.. still a problem? |
| 07:32.55 | PaulFertser | andylockran: should be flat... |
| 07:33.28 | PaulFertser | andylockran: do you know how to use a soldering iron? Because charging a nokia battery on FR requires a little hardware mod. |
| 07:33.34 | andylockran | puts a chair on the battery and jumps up and down |
| 07:33.35 | PaulFertser | s/FR/GTA01/ |
| 07:34.09 | andylockran | I know how to use a soldering iron.. I'm guessing that's the issue - this battery is a nokia BL-5C rather than my moko battery |
| 07:34.21 | andylockran | (which is 3,000 miles away) |
| 07:34.31 | PaulFertser | andylockran: then you can't charge it in the device, but you can charge it in any nokia phone or charger. |
| 07:34.48 | andylockran | what's the hardware mod? |
| 07:35.10 | PaulFertser | andylockran: to be able to charge it in the device you need to add a resistor of 10-15kOhm from the middle pin (ID) to the ground (-). |
| 07:35.59 | PaulFertser | andylockran: i disassembled one battery and decided that it's too damn hard to attach a resistor to it, so you'll have better luck modifying the device itself (soldering to the backside of the battery connector probably). |
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| 07:38.02 | PaulFertser | andylockran: another option would be to use some foil between the battery and the neo connector and attach the resistor to that. |
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| 07:38.36 | andylockran | hmm.. do FIC still sell the batteries? |
| 07:39.12 | PaulFertser | andylockran: with software tweak you can charge the battery with ~200mA once the device is booted but those 200 are going both to power the system and to charge the battery, so if the device is not suspended, the battery almost doesn't charge. |
| 07:39.35 | PaulFertser | andylockran: i think some of the distris has some in stock... |
| 07:40.05 | PaulFertser | andylockran: finding a way to attach a resistor to the device itself would be an ultimate solution. |
| 07:41.28 | PaulFertser | andylockran: just find a small enough tip for you iron (or make one yourself from a copper wire) and solder it to the backside of the connector. I admit i haven't tried it yet but it looks doable. |
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| 07:44.46 | andylockran | yeah |
| 07:44.58 | andylockran | I'll take a look.. thanks for that Paul.. |
| 07:45.22 | andylockran | will the battery charge normally once I get software on there, or is this purely a hardware thing. |
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| 07:46.29 | PaulFertser | 11:39 < PaulFertser> andylockran: with software tweak you can charge the battery with ~200mA once the device is booted |
| 07:46.40 | PaulFertser | but blablabla |
| 07:47.31 | PaulFertser | andylockran: so, unfortunately, no. There's just no way to convince pcf50606 to start charging a battery with full current if it thinks the temperature is out of range. |
| 07:48.20 | PaulFertser | Unfortunately, the butt-heads who were responsible for this circuit just copied the example from the datasheet (which uses 10k reference) instead of using ~70k to make it compatible with nokia batteries. :( |
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| 07:54.28 | andylockran | PaulFertser: sorry - by that comment, I thought you meant booted into uBoot |
| 07:55.48 | PaulFertser | andylockran: well, you need to set "pre-charge current" to the maximum to get those 200mA but it won't make sense if u-boot is running because it all be consumed by the device itself. |
| 07:56.12 | PaulFertser | andylockran: do not you have a nokia phone/charge nearby? Charge using that, you'll have enough energy to flash rootfs and to play with the device for some time. |
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| 10:20.43 | Psi | anyone know what the 'change globally' tick box does when you're editing your moko list subscription |
| 10:22.55 | andylockran | I guess all the moko sublists... |
| 10:23.00 | andylockran | eg users/announce/dev .etc |
| 10:23.15 | Heinervdm | Psi: then it will change those things for all your subscripütions on that server |
| 10:24.19 | Psi | ah, good, thats what i want |
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| 10:59.43 | siebz0r | hello |
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| 11:00.58 | siebz0r | I have touble cloning the git repo. Does anyone else got problems with this? |
| 11:01.50 | JaMa | which repo? |
| 11:03.19 | siebz0r | git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git |
| 11:04.03 | JaMa | siebz0r: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4894050 |
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| 11:05.17 | JaMa | siebz0r: and to skip problems they reported, you should probably git checkout some branch first |
| 11:05.51 | siebz0r | yeah, I've red that one (first hit @ google). I've downloaded the snapshot, but when I 'git pull' it repotrs a 'bad pack header' |
| 11:06.07 | siebz0r | branch from openmoko? |
| 11:06.32 | JaMa | git checkout origin/om-gta02-2.6.32 -b om-gta02-2.6.32 |
| 11:06.35 | JaMa | or whatever you want |
| 11:07.12 | siebz0r | error: Entry 'MAINTAINERS' would be overwritten by merge. Cannot merge. |
| 11:07.23 | siebz0r | while checking out andy-tracking |
| 11:08.54 | siebz0r | nvm |
| 11:09.11 | siebz0r | -f parameter did the trick |
| 11:10.53 | siebz0r | but the pull still fails |
| 11:11.39 | JaMa | what about git fetch; git rebase -i the_branch_you_checkouted? |
| 11:12.21 | JaMa | because bitbake updates from this tarball everytime and successfully.. so you should be able to repeat those steps by hand to |
| 11:14.13 | siebz0r | git rebase -i andy-tracking opens vim? |
| 11:14.28 | JaMa | whatever is in $EDITOR |
| 11:14.53 | JaMa | and you want origin/andy-tracking |
| 11:15.48 | siebz0r | so replace noop with origin/andy-tracking? |
| 11:16.12 | JaMa | no git rebase -i origin/andy-tracking |
| 11:17.14 | JaMa | and if our checkout is exactly the same as origin/andy-tracking it will say noop, check "git status" for unstaged files |
| 11:17.33 | siebz0r | allright, I've done that. But then it opens $EDITOR, what am I supposed to do here? |
| 11:17.57 | siebz0r | I'm sorry I find this very confusing :P (new to git) |
| 11:18.01 | JaMa | what is shown? |
| 11:18.35 | JaMa | noop again? (as it was with -i andy-tracking)? |
| 11:18.35 | siebz0r | yes |
| 11:18.38 | JaMa | our checkout is exactly the same as origin/andy-tracking |
| 11:18.40 | siebz0r | git rebase -i origin/andy-tracking |
| 11:18.49 | JaMa | and what is in git state? |
| 11:19.23 | JaMa | sorry status |
| 11:20.09 | siebz0r | #On branch andy-tracking \ nothing to commit (working directory clean) |
| 11:20.25 | JaMa | git fetch works? |
| 11:21.23 | siebz0r | no |
| 11:21.27 | siebz0r | remote: fatal: Out of memory? mmap failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 11:21.34 | siebz0r | remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side. |
| 11:21.39 | siebz0r | fatal: protocol error: bad pack header |
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| 11:22.10 | JaMa | siebz0r: are you in that untared snapshot? |
| 11:22.15 | rigid | aloah |
| 11:22.22 | siebz0r | yes |
| 11:22.53 | siebz0r | I unpacked it |
| 11:23.18 | siebz0r | and there was 1 dir ".git/" and the snapshot |
| 11:24.16 | siebz0r | there are multiple directories/files now (looks like a kernel src) |
| 11:24.52 | rigid | i noticed a possible bug in dfu-util: after "usb_claim_interface()" a "usb_set_altinerface(_rt_dif.dev_handle, 0)" call seems to be necessary to actually switch to DFU-Mode when the USB-Device still uses its default interface. usb_claim_interface() doesn't send anything over the bus, but the device needs to know when to serve DFU-Requests (like the following dfu_get_status() request) |
| 11:25.21 | rigid | it works without it on devices where the DFU-Interface == 0 (or the only interface available) |
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| 11:29.24 | rigid | oh sorry, just found #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 12:05.43 | chomwitt | hi from greece. i just unpacked my neo. |
| 12:06.15 | Weiss | cool :D |
| 12:06.34 | chomwitt | in the first 10 minutes the first conclusion is that i must install a new OS!! |
| 12:06.37 | chomwitt | :-) |
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| 12:06.46 | chomwitt | design is very cool |
| 12:07.28 | chomwitt | in OM2009 it asks for pin os my sim card but the keyboard has no numbers!! |
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| 12:07.36 | chomwitt | os->of |
| 12:09.20 | nullix | i deactivated my pin code for ages to play with neo... |
| 12:09.52 | Heinervdm | you can switch the keyboard by moving you finger up or downwards on the keyboard |
| 12:09.58 | Heinervdm | don't remeber exactly |
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| 12:14.48 | chomwitt | Heinervdm: that's it. thanks for the keyboard tip. anyway my first task is a new OS! |
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| 13:05.38 | siebz0r | JaMa: have you got any idea what my git problem might be? |
| 13:06.13 | JaMa | siebz0r: sorry, no |
| 13:06.53 | JaMa | siebz0r: but only .git first is right (bitbake fetches only git objects to .git and checkouts directly to builddir when needed) |
| 13:07.28 | JaMa | siebz0r: btw what revision do you have in your andy-tracking checkout (first item in git log) |
| 13:07.42 | siebz0r | atm? |
| 13:07.49 | JaMa | y |
| 13:08.14 | siebz0r | wait |
| 13:08.25 | siebz0r | I just removed the files (starting over) |
| 13:08.39 | siebz0r | and I just unpacked the git tar.gz |
| 13:08.58 | siebz0r | and when I do a rebase on origin/andy-tracking |
| 13:09.12 | siebz0r | it says "working tree is dirty" |
| 13:09.36 | JaMa | and git status? |
| 13:10.35 | siebz0r | # On branch master |
| 13:10.36 | JaMa | unpacking too |
| 13:10.59 | siebz0r | and then a whole bunch of lines: # deleted: *.c |
| 13:11.02 | JaMa | git checkout -b andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking |
| 13:11.24 | JaMa | and if it still complains "git reset --hard" first |
| 13:11.49 | siebz0r | git checkout requires -f I think |
| 13:12.07 | siebz0r | complains about overwrite |
| 13:13.23 | siebz0r | git checkout is finished |
| 13:14.03 | siebz0r | git rebase -i origin/andy-tracking > quit editor > successfully rebased and updated refs/heads/andy-tracking |
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| 13:16.38 | JaMa | siebz0r: replied to that email |
| 13:16.43 | siebz0r | is this the revision?: checkout: moving from andy-tracking to ee4642aa62413667969261b94b5457f97d49f06e |
| 13:18.50 | JaMa | that's really old Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:13:36 +0000 (08:13 +0000) |
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| 13:19.27 | siebz0r | :' |
| 13:19.29 | siebz0r | :') |
| 13:20.24 | JaMa | but with instructions in my e-mail reply git pull works ok (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/204046/) |
| 13:21.13 | siebz0r | page not found :P |
| 13:21.50 | siebz0r | nvm |
| 13:21.52 | siebz0r | got it |
| 13:22.49 | siebz0r | your pulling from the unpacked tar.gz? |
| 13:23.33 | JaMa | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/204048/ |
| 13:23.39 | JaMa | is what I just sent to ML |
| 13:24.27 | siebz0r | k, thnx, I'll try ;-) |
| 13:28.02 | siebz0r | with git checkout is says that andy-tracking already exists |
| 13:28.35 | siebz0r | and git branch -D master cannot delete branch master 'wich you are currenty on' |
| 13:28.37 | JaMa | it's expected if you run it twice with same .git :) |
| 13:29.11 | JaMa | and if it exists you can "git checkout andy-tracking" |
| 13:29.18 | JaMa | to switch branch from master to andy |
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| 13:31.53 | siebz0r | done, and deleted the master |
| 13:32.17 | siebz0r | some hidden files got in the way I suppose ;-) |
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| 13:33.53 | siebz0r | what revision should it be? |
| 13:34.21 | siebz0r | b460dd0c3712d12a0c15745fe74b5603630bc39d ? |
| 13:36.57 | JaMa | siebz0r: latest is 973a41fce60e5f6edfcf0eaf94056a57eee65e16 |
| 13:38.27 | siebz0r | how could I update it? |
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| 13:42.22 | JaMa | siebz0r: git pull should be enough.. |
| 13:42.26 | JaMa | leaving, bye |
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| 16:55.51 | chomwitt | hi again. in my new neo device i encountered the problem that having it usb connected to my main pc , and having checked from dmesg that is recognized as usb0 nevertheless trying to ifconfig it gives 'Cannot find device "usb0" |
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| 19:32.40 | chomwitt | i have problems configuring the usb0 as network interface in debian squeeze |
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| 19:55.12 | rooly | so hey |
| 19:55.19 | rooly | PaulFertser, you here? |
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| 20:24.44 | PaulFertser | rooly: yep |
| 20:24.50 | PaulFertser | Hi |
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| 20:39.54 | siebz0r | does anyone know how to get the andy-tracking kernel from git? |
| 20:41.24 | siebz0r | I'm getting nothing but errors |
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| 20:51.18 | rooly | PaulFertser, sorry about that, stupid internet |
| 20:51.37 | rooly | PaulFertser, remember back in the day when om devs were looking into psuedo-multitouch for the neo line? |
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| 20:58.15 | Wunderkind | hola |
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| 20:59.40 | PaulFertser | rooly: yes, i do |
| 21:00.09 | rooly | would you believe that a windows mobile developer has only just started looking into the same technology? |
| 21:00.30 | PaulFertser | rooly: emulating multi-touch with a resistive touch-screen? |
| 21:00.35 | rooly | yes |
| 21:01.39 | rooly | hmm, seems that its an xda-dev guy doing it |
| 21:01.40 | rooly | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/20/resistive-htc-devices-can-have-pseudo-multitouch-too/ |
| 21:01.41 | PaulFertser | rooly: what do you mean by your question? |
| 21:02.49 | PaulFertser | rooly: i mean "a windows mobile developer" sounds too abstract |
| 21:02.51 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 21:03.43 | max_posedon | multi-touch is so interesting feature |
| 21:03.52 | max_posedon | its required only for zoom |
| 21:04.01 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: emacs is an interesting feature. Multi-touch isn't ;) |
| 21:04.04 | max_posedon | and as is only in web browser |
| 21:04.24 | rooly | meh, like the old joke goes, emacs is a decent os...but it lacks a good text editor |
| 21:04.31 | max_posedon | and openmoko haven't web browser which even could support it in a nice way |
| 21:04.51 | max_posedon | so, why people so often speak about this useless feature? |
| 21:05.15 | max_posedon | I played with iphone and htc hero with multitouch, found it useless |
| 21:05.21 | PaulFertser | rooly: i tried editing config files with it and it was cool. I tried ircing and it was cool. Emacs is the coolest environment for a smartphone. |
| 21:05.22 | max_posedon | I just don't want zoom anything |
| 21:05.29 | rooly | max_posedon, the fr has a resistive screen which doesn't support traditional multitouch anyway. any multitouch on the device will be emulated |
| 21:05.52 | max_posedon | Q is, what you will do with multitouch? |
| 21:06.05 | max_posedon | emulated it or not. |
| 21:06.26 | chomwitt | hi. in my new freerunner i connect it to a usb port but i get no network interface , (debian squeeze) |
| 21:06.41 | max_posedon | chomwitt, check dmesg, it might be ethN |
| 21:06.47 | chomwitt | max_posedon: ok |
| 21:08.11 | chomwitt | max_posedon: i unlplug and plug it having 'tail kernel.log' and i get http://debian.pastebin.com/kAmKuywR |
| 21:09.16 | max_posedon | 1 00:02:48 localhost kernel: [19963.226907] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether |
| 21:09.27 | max_posedon | after 30 secs it was unregistered |
| 21:09.32 | max_posedon | I don't know why |
| 21:09.39 | max_posedon | may be your phone suspended |
| 21:09.50 | max_posedon | anyway, I think you should update to smth more recent |
| 21:09.54 | max_posedon | (on your neo) |
| 21:10.26 | max_posedon | usb0 gone a year ago |
| 21:10.33 | chomwitt | max_posedon: it a new phone wiht om2009. and now its dark but i though it was just screen saver or sth |
| 21:10.48 | max_posedon | looks like suspended |
| 21:11.34 | chomwitt | yes. i push the power button and it was recognized from the kernel again as usb0 |
| 21:12.49 | chomwitt | but even with that should i get in 'ifconfig -a' a usb0 entry? (i have netusb module loaded) |
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| 21:13.31 | chomwitt | ok i turned suspend off |
| 21:15.37 | max_posedon | om2009 a 1-year-old project |
| 21:15.44 | max_posedon | I still suggest smth more recent |
| 21:16.34 | chomwitt | max_posedon: as i get it in order to install a more recent dist i need to have established a usb connection |
| 21:17.11 | max_posedon | nope, you need flash smth new via dfu-util |
| 21:17.20 | PaulFertser | rooly: anyway, thanks for letting me know. |
| 21:17.31 | rooly | np |
| 21:17.47 | chomwitt | max_posedon: thanks very much. i'll look again about flushing. |
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| 22:42.59 | eliasp | hi |
| 22:43.50 | eliasp | i can't boot my GTA02... after installing Qi it just reboots every second (USB powered) or every 10 seconds (battery powered) while the screen stays completely black |
| 22:44.01 | eliasp | does anyone know this issue & a way to fix it? |
| 22:44.09 | eliasp | or how'd i debug this without a debug board? |
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