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| 02:10.59 | Slaxxed | april 13 planet topic hackable 1 is in what language? |
| 02:11.21 | Slaxxed | Už pÅed nÄjakou dobou jsem se rozhodl, že otestuju distribuci Hackable:1. MusÃm se |
| 02:11.50 | Slaxxed | chec? |
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| 10:20.15 | AlexAnteMachina | raster, ping |
| 10:25.11 | raster | AlexAnteMachina: yaow |
| 10:31.15 | AlexAnteMachina | hey raster! |
| 10:31.37 | AlexAnteMachina | your nickname makes me think you are the guy behind e |
| 10:32.06 | AlexAnteMachina | I've seen some of your demo-videos on a freerunner |
| 10:33.53 | AlexAnteMachina | And I'd like to know wether it really works on the freerunner. |
| 10:34.43 | AlexAnteMachina | As far as I know most software running very slow on that device. |
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| 10:44.29 | raster | AlexAnteMachina: eeek ... i've been discovered. i need a better hiding place |
| 10:44.42 | raster | as for videos.. whhat videos |
| 10:44.50 | raster | i think i barely ever made any on the freerunner |
| 10:45.12 | AlexAnteMachina | so it aint working well on a freerunner? |
| 10:45.39 | raster | that thing is (to be frank) a "piece of junk" when it comes to performance. (yes it's open... but ... it's like having an open 286. great. open... but you want a core i7) |
| 10:45.44 | raster | dunno |
| 10:45.48 | raster | my freerunners collect dust |
| 10:46.08 | AlexAnteMachina | damn. |
| 10:46.34 | AlexAnteMachina | I was hoping last 2 years of Development might have changed that. |
| 10:46.36 | raster | i have infinitely better hardware at my disposal |
| 10:46.50 | raster | and yes - 2 years of development have improved things... |
| 10:46.55 | raster | liek full opengl-es2.0 engine for evas |
| 10:47.00 | AlexAnteMachina | thats sooo sad. |
| 10:47.04 | raster | of course u'd need... gles-2 hardware... and drivers |
| 10:47.15 | raster | software engine has been improved - scalecache and so on |
| 10:47.29 | raster | also neon asm going in right now - but neon is cortex-a8 lant and newer |
| 10:48.20 | raster | the freerunner is - unfortunately - a dead bit of hw |
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| 10:48.26 | AlexAnteMachina | Do you know wether there will be any later version? |
| 10:48.40 | raster | no successor, a litany of hw issues, pretty ugly design, 2g only (useless for data) |
| 10:48.45 | AlexAnteMachina | I've seen some of your design ideas. nice! |
| 10:49.06 | PaulFertser | raster: hey :) |
| 10:49.08 | raster | resistive ts (very poor response - not to mention losing lots of your screen to the bezel for touch) |
| 10:49.20 | AlexAnteMachina | k. |
| 10:49.20 | PaulFertser | raster: any news wrt ES bugs on n900? ;) |
| 10:49.24 | raster | AlexAnteMachina: nup. openmoko is dead. |
| 10:49.26 | raster | won't be |
| 10:49.31 | AlexAnteMachina | :( |
| 10:49.37 | raster | werner wants to do gta02-core |
| 10:49.39 | AlexAnteMachina | that's so sad. |
| 10:49.49 | raster | but thats really no improvement on freerunne r- and he needs to get production off the ground |
| 10:50.08 | raster | of it ever does - it will literally be like making a 286 today - selling it and thinking it is useful :) |
| 10:50.32 | raster | PaulFertser: hey hey! |
| 10:50.45 | PaulFertser | He does devolopment of "open hardware development process" itself. And he improved KiCad a lot as a sideeffect :) |
| 10:50.59 | raster | AlexAnteMachina: i know i sound like i'm beating on the freerunner... i guess i am, but i have priorites other than just open |
| 10:51.15 | raster | like something competitiive in the marketplace that actually attracts customers/users in large numbers |
| 10:51.20 | raster | and open doesnt do that |
| 10:51.23 | raster | it atttracts developers |
| 10:51.26 | raster | but they also want grunt |
| 10:51.27 | AlexAnteMachina | I really fell in love with that concept. |
| 10:51.29 | raster | so u need something modern |
| 10:51.37 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. |
| 10:51.39 | raster | i'ts totally sad om failed |
| 10:51.56 | AlexAnteMachina | so, what else would you recommend? |
| 10:52.00 | raster | if it had continued - and actually produced modern phones with modenr soc's etc. etc. - there'd be something to talk about |
| 10:52.10 | raster | as such - right now the most open thing around would be an n900 |
| 10:52.19 | raster | as tuch its bulky, and has its share of problems |
| 10:52.28 | raster | its probably "open enough" |
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| 10:52.45 | raster | but if u like a freerunner the n900 isnt any bulkier |
| 10:52.55 | AlexAnteMachina | Actually I'm using elive 2.0 and like e17 pretty much. |
| 10:52.59 | raster | as such... for me the n900 is sluggish and "bad" |
| 10:53.07 | raster | but as i siad.. i have much better toys at my disposal |
| 10:53.09 | raster | :) |
| 10:53.09 | PaulFertser | AlexAnteMachina: if you want usb host and/or cheap dev platform for robotics/other fun projects, FR is still the most attractive i'd say. |
| 10:53.16 | raster | so i'm spoilt :) |
| 10:53.34 | raster | yeah |
| 10:54.11 | raster | fr - if u dont care about a phone - something u can stick on a table next to an iphone, or droid, or whatevr and proudly say "this is in the same ballpark", then freerunenr is ok |
| 10:54.21 | raster | but if u want to be competitive... no chance. |
| 10:55.34 | PaulFertser | For many research/university projects 2G might be enough. For <$200 you get really portable sturdy fully functional board with great screen, wifi, gps, 2g gsm. I'd say that's still damn attractive, and there's basically no alternative. |
| 10:56.07 | raster | PaulFertser: very very very niche :) |
| 10:56.23 | max_posedon | n900 is about 3 times expensive as freerunner now |
| 10:56.26 | raster | if u dont want gps and gprs - get a smartq5 |
| 10:56.39 | raster | much faster - better hw and cheaper too ($150) |
| 10:56.56 | max_posedon | imho, fr is still best toy now |
| 10:57.04 | raster | max_posedon: hmm no. fr when it came out was $400... + shipping. n900 is $500 + shipping |
| 10:57.12 | raster | (and cheaper shipping to boot) |
| 10:57.19 | max_posedon | I speak about *now* |
| 10:57.43 | max_posedon | 200$ vs 500$ (+ shipping + 20-30% tolls) |
| 10:58.25 | raster | freerunner suffwers from the same tolls |
| 10:58.31 | raster | and freerunner is by far a worse bit of hw |
| 10:58.38 | raster | 2g only - first |
| 10:58.41 | raster | lower res screen |
| 10:58.47 | raster | much smaller tyouch area (beel) |
| 10:58.48 | raster | no kbd |
| 10:58.49 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... now I know freerunner isnt what I want and n900 isnt affordable to me. |
| 10:58.52 | raster | worse battery life |
| 10:59.03 | AlexAnteMachina | so I'll buy: nothing. |
| 10:59.08 | raster | much much much slower cpu, and no gpu (until u have gl drivers for fr - it has no gppu) |
| 10:59.10 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 10:59.35 | raster | AlexAnteMachina: then save up. any smartphone witht spending money on will cost between $500-$1000 |
| 11:00.27 | PaulFertser | AlexAnteMachina: do not you want to take part in some little kernel hacking or coding Vala middleware and UI? :-O |
| 11:01.13 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... PaulFertser I have no skills in kernel hacking. |
| 11:01.14 | PaulFertser | And have all your friends laugh at you when you can't pick up a call because the damn thing doesn't work with that particular git rev? ) |
| 11:01.47 | PaulFertser | AlexAnteMachina: all kernel hackers had no skills once ;) |
| 11:02.04 | AlexAnteMachina | guess first I should learn some C |
| 11:02.10 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, yep, "ÐебÑло пеÑали, да апдейÑов накаÑали" |
| 11:02.51 | max_posedon | but you know |
| 11:02.58 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: hehe, indeed |
| 11:03.17 | max_posedon | at the, end I can go all with FR what my friends to with their iphones (after year of usage) |
| 11:03.42 | max_posedon | we both just want do calls sometimes, and read news on trains/buses |
| 11:03.56 | max_posedon | nobody careas about anything more at the end |
| 11:04.53 | PaulFertser | s/nobody/nobody among your friends/ |
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| 11:06.53 | PaulFertser | I want to be in control of all layers of my devices. As much control as possible. And i know how it sucks when i need that control but can't get it, and it's not a matter of me spending some hours to learn something new, rather a matter of some fuckers purposedely closing everything up :| |
| 11:07.31 | max_posedon | I just whant to say, that people have their pc's at home, at work |
| 11:08.16 | max_posedon | and you want "kind" phone only when you travel, or need smth when you want spend time fast |
| 11:08.53 | max_posedon | at the end, all drivers, people who travel by bike, just don't need most features that any smaprtphone can give him |
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| 11:09.58 | badcloud | max_posedon: I agree. I think in the end it boils down to reliability |
| 11:09.59 | max_posedon | and as for long-travels, I'll prefer some netbook with 30h battery life |
| 11:10.15 | badcloud | ...not functionality |
| 11:11.13 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... max_posedon just get a motorbike battery and attach it to the deivce. |
| 11:11.25 | AlexAnteMachina | that should run it pretty long. |
| 11:11.26 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 11:11.28 | max_posedon | AlexAnteMachina, and do what? |
| 11:11.44 | max_posedon | what I can go with phone on bike? |
| 11:12.13 | AlexAnteMachina | not a bike. |
| 11:12.20 | AlexAnteMachina | just a large battery. |
| 11:12.27 | max_posedon | ah) |
| 11:12.39 | AlexAnteMachina | the bigger the battery the longer it will last |
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| 11:12.58 | max_posedon | AlexAnteMachina, I'm trying buy touchbook for long travels |
| 11:13.13 | max_posedon | its not so "huge" as your suggest) |
| 11:13.31 | AlexAnteMachina | I had a really big battery for my eee 701 which made it run for over 8h on 900mhz. |
| 11:14.05 | max_posedon | sorry, I need smth with 30h) |
| 11:14.11 | max_posedon | s/need/whant |
| 11:14.15 | max_posedon | *want* |
| 11:14.36 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... i would not recommend a tiny 701 eee for longtime usage. |
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| 11:15.11 | AlexAnteMachina | staring at that tiny 7" display gives a dull feeling after 1 to 2 hours. |
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| 11:20.49 | badcloud | anyone know if shr-stable will be based more on testing or unstable? |
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| 11:24.07 | JaMa | badcloud: testing |
| 11:24.46 | badcloud | JaMa: good :P |
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| 11:25.04 | badcloud | not to downplay unstable, it's great |
| 11:25.25 | badcloud | but for a safer ride, y....eah I'd go with testing too |
| 11:25.27 | JaMa | badcloud: unstable is where all development happen, testing is just older version of unstable+picking fixes and stable will created from testing (after some testing :)) when it reaches MS1 goals |
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| 23:46.28 | swoody | out of curiosity, is there any distro(s) which are considered lighter and more responsive than the rest? |
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