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| 00:19.25 | tim_abell | http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/pop/summary20100410.txt early results (5 submissions) |
| 00:19.30 | tim_abell | thanks tomcatek |
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| 02:29.10 | pabs3 | I still haven't upgraded my shr-testing install due to fear of the opimd schema changes. can anyone point me at docs on how to do that upgrade? |
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| 07:30.13 | brolin_empey | radekp: Is there an easy way to install openoffice.org (preferably v3.2.x or at least v3.x) on QtMoko? I have been trying to use aptitude with Debian unstable and lenny-backports to install openoffice.org, but I always end up with broken dependencies. I saw someone suggest using Ubuntu's .deb packages for armel, but I have not yet tried that. I am currently installing a huge pile of dependencies of smartpm so I can try smartpm to s |
| 07:31.45 | radekp | brolin_empey: hi, no idea - i havent dared to install openoffice yet :) |
| 07:32.00 | radekp | brolin_empey: maybe gnumeric or abiword could be enough? |
| 07:32.05 | brolin_empey | radekp: I have not yet broken telephony by installing so many packages from unstable, but my parents probably think I am ignoring them because they kept calling me but I could not use my FR as a phone because it was busy installing or managing packages. :) |
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| 07:35.04 | brolin_empey | radekp: I commented out /var/cache/apt in /etc/fstab because I filled the 60 MiB /var/cache/apt tmpfs by installing so many packages (mostly dependencies). :) |
| 07:35.35 | brolin_empey | radekp: I mean commented out and umounted it. |
| 07:36.08 | radekp | brolin_empey: yes, that was good - the mount is only workaround for jffs2 which cant do mmap |
| 07:36.22 | radekp | it's not needed when running from sd card |
| 07:38.16 | brolin_empey | radekp: QtMoko is so much better than a proprietary phone: it is so nice to be able to communicate directly with the maintainer (you!). :) |
| 07:40.02 | brolin_empey | is currently happy with his FR. :) |
| 07:40.30 | radekp | brolin_empey: :) |
| 07:43.34 | Psi | is there a QtMoko image that runs on gta01? |
| 07:45.27 | brolin_empey | radekp: This is one reason why I prefer Windows NT over Linux as a desktop client OS, though: on Windows, I can Google the name of any program, find its official home page, find official installers or builds for Windows, download them, install or extract them, and use them. Then I am using the same build as most other users who use the program on Windows. On Linux, I have to build from source, or install from repositories, which can |
| 07:46.12 | radekp | Psi: no - i dont have GTA01 to port it and nobody with GTA01 was abe to do it |
| 07:46.27 | Psi | ok |
| 07:46.33 | radekp | Psi: although it would involve probably just changing few sysfs paths |
| 07:47.52 | brolin_empey | Psi: Not that I know of. Why would you want to use a GTA01 unless you could not afford a GTA02 and could not find anyone who is generous enough to give you one, like with swoody on the community mailing list? |
| 07:50.36 | Psi | im saving up for a n900 |
| 07:51.39 | brolin_empey | Psi: Do you realise the N900 lacks USB Host support at the hardware level? :( |
| 07:52.51 | Psi | yep |
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| 08:10.40 | brolin_empey | radekp: my X forwarding no longer works: X clients on QtMoko cannot open the display even when I ssh in with "ssh -X". :( |
| 08:12.18 | brolin_empey | radekp: X forwarding used to work because I used it to run qtparted on QtMoko and display on Cygwin/X on Win7. |
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| 08:13.54 | brolin_empey | radekp: Is this the first breakage I have discovered which is caused by installing so many packages from unstable? :( |
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| 08:16.07 | radekp | brolin_empey: yes |
| 08:16.51 | radekp | brolin_empey: if it worked before and now after installing packages from unstable it does not work... |
| 08:17.32 | brolin_empey | radekp: Or do I simply need sufficient bravery to reboot my FR and hope QtMoko still works? ;) |
| 08:17.54 | radekp | qtmoko is using debian stable - i cant tell what happens when you swith to unstable |
| 08:19.01 | brolin_empey | radekp: I know, but navit, smartpm, openoffice.org v3.x (?), and others are not in stable. :( |
| 08:20.26 | brolin_empey | radekp: Actually, I do not remember which version of QtMoko I was using when I last successfully ran an X client, so maybe X forwarding never worked on my v19 installation on SD. |
| 08:20.54 | radekp | we could switch to debian testing, but it will take time and testing - e.g. bluetooth is not ready for bluez4 yet |
| 08:21.21 | radekp | X forwarding worked for me when i tried |
| 08:22.03 | radekp | it works here |
| 08:22.25 | radekp | i will try v21 |
| 08:24.48 | brolin_empey | rebooted his FR. I thought I got a WSOD, but the white screen turned black/blank. Now I guess QtMoko is booting, but there is nothing on the console because Qi (still using qt-bootmenu) did not boot in verbose mode (I guess?). |
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| 08:29.23 | brolin_empey | radekp: How many FRs do you have? /me has 6, but uses only his first one (FR #0). :) |
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| 08:30.18 | brolin_empey | radekp: Or should I say my zeroth one? ;) |
| 08:30.52 | radekp | i'd say first one :) |
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| 08:31.51 | brolin_empey | radekp: Not oneth one? ;) |
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| 08:33.17 | radekp | brolin_empey: :) |
| 08:33.23 | radekp | brolin_empey: gotta go, see you later |
| 08:34.09 | brolin_empey | radekp: BCNU? :) |
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| 08:37.30 | pabs3 | that is a lot of FRs |
| 08:38.13 | pabs3 | you should make a Beowulf cluster :) |
| 08:43.22 | brolin_empey | almost forgot how much fun IRC is because he did not use IRC much for a few years. :( |
| 08:45.12 | brolin_empey | Yay, I did not b0rk my QtMoko after all. :P |
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| 10:54.20 | hardisk | Hi :) |
| 10:54.28 | hardisk | I have some questions regarding the Openmoko |
| 10:54.43 | hardisk | My birthday is coming soon, I want to buy one |
| 10:54.46 | hardisk | What is working actually? |
| 10:55.01 | hardisk | SMS & calls are working? |
| 10:55.04 | hardisk | It's the basics |
| 10:56.05 | tomcatek | hardisk: I'm using my freerunner as daily phone |
| 10:56.27 | hardisk | So it works great? |
| 10:56.35 | pabs3 | tomcatek: which distro? do you upgrade it often? |
| 10:56.43 | hardisk | with the standard distribution (flashing the phone seems really awfull to do) |
| 10:56.57 | pabs3 | flashing is easy |
| 10:57.19 | tomcatek | pabs3: I'm using SHR-U now |
| 10:57.38 | tomcatek | hardisk: flashing is just one line on YOur PC :) |
| 10:57.45 | hardisk | ok ^^ |
| 10:57.56 | hardisk | And I had a more specific question |
| 10:58.14 | hardisk | I use a 100% free system on my pc (Trisquel), is there any 100% free software distro for the openmoko? |
| 10:58.30 | tomcatek | hardisk: all of them are |
| 10:58.40 | tomcatek | ok.. except Android :) |
| 10:58.43 | hardisk | \o/ |
| 10:58.53 | tomcatek | it's not THAT open |
| 10:58.53 | hardisk | hahaha what's the point about getting Android on it.. |
| 10:59.01 | hardisk | It's like installing windows.. |
| 10:59.14 | tomcatek | but rest is all open source |
| 10:59.15 | pabs3 | hardisk: there are binary blobs embedded in the hardware, so you're relying on non-free software in any case |
| 10:59.44 | hardisk | embedded in the hardware? |
| 10:59.44 | hardisk | ?? |
| 10:59.47 | hardisk | wtf? oO |
| 10:59.52 | pabs3 | (wifi, gsm, gps, etc). there is work to create FLOSS gsm software though |
| 11:00.01 | pabs3 | hardisk: just like in any hardware |
| 11:00.20 | hardisk | just like any hardware? |
| 11:00.25 | tomcatek | but still it's as close to open source as it is possible now. |
| 11:00.27 | pabs3 | even hard drives :) |
| 11:00.37 | pabs3 | or SD cards |
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| 11:01.59 | pabs3 | the situation with OpenMoko is better than any other phone though |
| 11:02.29 | SanTah | what can i do to use external wifi cards |
| 11:03.03 | SanTah | i have shr in flash and debian on sd |
| 11:04.49 | SanTah | or how can i build the module rtl8187 on my freerunner |
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| 11:13.47 | SanTah | hmpf |
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| 12:42.17 | dodddummy | i'd like to buy a neo free runner but need some help. i'm in the usa and looked at the usa distributors. it seems the only one selling the a7 is selling it in batches of 10. can someone here point me to a distributer in the usa? |
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| 13:06.05 | behappy | Hello |
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| 14:25.40 | pabs3 | I just upgraded udev & kernel and /dev/disk/by-label no longer works, any ideas about how to debug/fix it? |
| 14:26.08 | JaMa | pabs3: isn't it because rules directory was moved? |
| 14:26.29 | bmidgley | anyone still running a neo1973 on a recent distro? is debian workable? |
| 14:26.42 | pabs3 | JaMa: not sure what you mean? |
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| 14:28.42 | behappy | what is the best mobile phone for install linux and connect to internet ? |
| 14:28.47 | pabs3 | JaMa: this is shr-testing btw |
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| 14:30.40 | JaMa | pabs3: at least in shr-u there is newer udev using /lib/udev/rules.d instead of libexec |
| 14:31.01 | JaMa | pabs3: so if your /dev/disk/by-label was expecting old rules, they are not used anymore |
| 14:31.43 | pabs3 | I was expecting the default rules that come with udev to create /dev/disk/by-label/somelabel on boot |
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| 14:32.39 | pabs3 | I don't really care where the rules are installed, as long as they work |
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| 14:33.59 | pabs3 | both the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ & /usr/libexec/rules.d/ mention by-label |
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| 14:39.20 | pabs3 | hmm, maybe /dev/disk/by-label needs to exist before udev can use it |
| 14:39.34 | pabs3 | wonders how it got removed though |
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| 15:06.42 | pabs3 | adds disgusting hack to workaround whatever caused udev to break |
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| 15:30.05 | brolin_empey | pabs3: Have you grepped the leaked portion of the Win2k SP1 codebase for "BUGBUG"? "The magnitude of this hack compares favorably with that of the national debt." :D |
| 15:30.22 | pabs3 | SHR-- disgusting hacks++ |
| 15:30.34 | pabs3 | I don't have a copy of that |
| 15:32.54 | brolin_empey | pabs3: You should still be able to find a copy. I got my copy from a binary Usenet group <1 month (<1 week?) after it was leaked, way back in 2004. |
| 15:34.08 | pabs3 | probably, I wasted too many minutes on SHR/udev, so no time to go searching |
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| 15:49.35 | brolin_empey | http://web.archive.org/web/20040402145338/http://mjt.nysv.org/w2k_greps/bugbug.txt |
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| 16:38.02 | brolin_empey | My ext3 file system on SD is corrupted again: some files are missing from /usr/bin/ and /etc/ is empty. (epic fail) :(( |
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| 16:39.11 | brolin_empey | Why do my FR's file systems keep getting corrupted? :(( |
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