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| 03:19.11 | Slaxxed | opkg upgrade from 0401 tto todays testing work? |
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| 05:39.33 | brolin_empey | radekp: Where in the file system does QtEI store my calendar and tasks? I finally have my QtMoko v19 debug installation migrated from my FR's borked JFFS2 file system in NAND to an ext3 file system on SD. QtMoko boots and appears to work from SD with qi-bootmenu, but I have lost all of my SMS messages (qtopiamail), calendar events, and tasks! (epic fail) :( Data loss = teh serious sux0r. :( |
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| 05:47.09 | radekp | brolin_empey: hi, i would try /opt/qtmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite |
| 05:47.23 | radekp | brolin_empey: and copy your /home/root from previous installation |
| 05:47.38 | radekp | but havent tried |
| 05:49.25 | brolin_empey | Heh, just noticed this in the NOTES section at the end of the grep(1) man page: "GNU's not Unix, but Unix is a beast; its plural form is Unixen." :) |
| 05:51.24 | brolin_empey | radekp: I already copied /home/root/* to my "new" installation on SD. |
| 05:51.35 | radekp | and /opt/qtmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite ? |
| 05:52.25 | radekp | brolin_empey: btw the missed SMS bug will be fixed in v20 and v21 - which will be released today or during the weekend |
| 05:53.02 | brolin_empey | radekp: Hang on, I need to check. I may have skipped /opt/ when I was copying files from NAND to SD. |
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| 05:55.36 | brolin_empey | radekp: I have literally spent at least 8 hours today and many other days in the past months trying to unbork my FR after breakages/borkouts, the most recent being the nice JFFS2 corruption of my rootfs in NAND while my FR was suspended overnight. (fail) Maybe my FR has a hardware problem? |
| 05:57.29 | radekp | brolin_empey: hmm it's hard to say... |
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| 05:58.34 | brolin_empey | radekp: Can I upgrade by copying only /opt/qtmoko/ from v20 or v21 into my v19 installation? I am absolutely /not/ starting over with QtMoko and copying everything from my previous installation Yet Again because that is a HUGE PITA which literally takes days. :( |
| 05:59.17 | radekp | brolin_empey: yes, it will be possible |
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| 06:04.19 | brolin_empey | radekp: I dreamt about you last night: during WW2, you saved some important man who the Nazis tried to kill from drowning. I recognised your name and associated you with QtMoko. :) |
| 06:05.11 | radekp | brolin_empey: hehe funny :) |
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| 06:13.03 | brolin_empey | radekp: the qtopia_db.sqlite in my rootfs in NAND and "new" installation on SD are the same. :( |
| 06:15.32 | brolin_empey | radekp: Bleh, QtMoko does not include "strings" nor "less" in the base installation. :( |
| 06:16.19 | brolin_empey | radekp: less >> more. ;) |
| 06:19.14 | brolin_empey | radekp: /usr/bin/strings is owned by binutils on Ubuntu, so I have to install all of binutils on QtMoko just to get strings? :/ |
| 06:20.44 | radekp | brolin_empey: no idea, it's debian - it should be similar, try to search debian packages for that util |
| 06:23.16 | brolin_empey | radekp: I know QtMoko is based on Debian. It is OK, I will waste some disk space on my 8 GB SD card by installing all of binutils just to get strings. :) |
| 06:24.15 | radekp | brolin_empey: google is usually more clever then me :) |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | [root@neo] [100] [21] /opt/qtmoko/ |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | # apt-get install less binutils |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | Building dependency tree |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | Reading state information... Done |
| 06:24.21 | brolin_empey | Suggested packages: |
| 06:24.22 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.22 | brolin_empey | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:24.23 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.23 | brolin_empey | 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 186 not upgraded. |
| 06:24.24 | brolin_empey | Need to get 3259kB of archives. |
| 06:24.24 | brolin_empey | After this operation, 9355kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 06:24.25 | brolin_empey | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 06:24.25 | brolin_empey | [root@neo] [100] [22] /opt/qtmoko/ |
| 06:24.26 | brolin_empey | # arp -a |
| 06:24.26 | brolin_empey | Segmentation fault |
| 06:24.51 | brolin_empey | radekp: s/then/than/ ;) |
| 06:26.00 | brolin_empey | What just happened? (fail) I have never seen "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" before nor have I seen arp segfault before. :/ |
| 06:26.55 | radekp | no idea... |
| 06:27.46 | brolin_empey | radekp: Can an unsupported SD card cause strange failures like this? |
| 06:28.58 | radekp | sd card and problems with intrnet - does not seem very likely |
| 06:36.02 | brolin_empey | radekp: There are no clues in dmesg output. :( |
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| 06:37.18 | brolin_empey | radekp: I am wondering if my FR has bad main memory (DRAM) or some other hardware problem which causes these strange failures. |
| 06:39.55 | brolin_empey | radekp: ping segfaults too. (fail) |
| 06:40.21 | radekp | how are you connected? |
| 06:41.24 | brolin_empey | radekp: I am using RNDIS with Win7, which used to work fine. |
| 06:42.07 | radekp | maybe restart can help :) |
| 06:44.43 | brolin_empey | radekp: route segfaults too, but I can cat all of /var/log/messages, which probably takes over 1 minute, without segfaulting. |
| 06:45.31 | brolin_empey | radekp: restart of what? |
| 06:46.08 | radekp | qtmoko? |
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| 06:47.13 | brolin_empey | radekp: Win7 is usually rebooted every day, except for on the weekend, because I use it on my laptop, which I use at both home and work. |
| 06:49.47 | brolin_empey | radekp: OK, QtMoko is rebooting. |
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| 06:53.12 | brolin_empey | radekp: Maybe my USB cable has failed? I have had other cables (not used with FR, though) fail already this year. |
| 06:57.05 | brolin_empey | radekp: QtEI restarts when I hold the Power button, then press "Restart Device" or "Shutdown Device". (fail) Is this because I am using qi-bootmenu instead of U-Boot? I need Qi to boot QtMoko from SD, though. |
| 06:58.19 | radekp | brolin_empey: IIRC qi-bootmenu had some issues, i'd rather not use it if you are not sure that it's bug free |
| 06:59.19 | brolin_empey | radekp: Bugless software? That must be an oxymoron. ;) |
| 07:00.02 | brolin_empey | radekp: After all, compilers are buggers as opposed to debuggers. ;) |
| 07:01.01 | radekp | :) |
| 07:01.48 | brolin_empey | radekp: Anyway, I should probably try regular Qi to see if I still have these strange problems. |
| 07:02.21 | radekp | i'd try it |
| 07:03.11 | brolin_empey | radekp: Your ":)" message was the first message of 2010-04-09 for me in PDT (-0700). :) You started my day with a smile. ;) |
| 07:03.52 | radekp | brolin_empey: :) |
| 07:04.42 | brolin_empey | [brolin@brolin-V13] [255] [6] ~/ |
| 07:04.43 | brolin_empey | $ ssh -X root@192.168.0.202 |
| 07:04.43 | brolin_empey | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 07:04.43 | brolin_empey | :/ |
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| 07:06.31 | brolin_empey | beers: Free as in freedom or free as in beers? ;) |
| 07:07.49 | beers | hi |
| 07:08.04 | beers | and it is free as in freedom |
| 07:08.15 | beers | just come and get them |
| 07:08.48 | brolin_empey | radekp: Anyway, do you have any other ideas where my calendar, tasks, and mail may be stored? |
| 07:09.48 | radekp | brolin_empey: well it must be somewhere - and since the data format hasnt changed, it should be possible to transfer it from older installation |
| 07:10.11 | radekp | brolin_empey: AFAIK qtopia uses just /opt/qtmoko and /home/root |
| 07:10.37 | brolin_empey | beers: Do you use LC_TIME=en_DK ? ;) |
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| 07:11.27 | beers | my local time is danish time if that was the question |
| 07:11.39 | brolin_empey | # dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroedout ;) |
| 07:13.26 | brolin_empey | beers: Yes, but I was asking because I use LC_TIME=en_DK to get my preferred ISO 8601 format, even though I live in Canada, not Denmark. You actually live in Denmark, though, so I was curious. :) |
| 07:14.06 | beers | Yes I live in denmark (the middle of Jylland |
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| 07:15.19 | brolin_empey | beers: There is another Dane. :) |
| 07:17.20 | brolin_empey | radekp: It may have been lost when my JFFS2 and/or ext3 file system got corrupted. :( |
| 07:17.39 | beers | only one? I tough we was around 6 million |
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| 07:18.42 | brolin_empey | beers: I meant unlotto. 6 million users in 1 channel would be interesting. ;) |
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| 07:26.30 | unlotto | Rød Grød Med Fløde :-) |
| 07:26.47 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: are you there? |
| 07:27.33 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: yep |
| 07:27.35 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: hi |
| 07:29.03 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: hi, the ALSA device corresponding to Bluetooth headset you need to configure in order to get sound in Bluetooth, is it needed only for this thing, or is it used (in different situations) for other things as well? |
| 07:30.30 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: with FR the second I2S port of wolfson codec is hardwired to the BT chip. So it can only be used for sound exchange with the BT chip. |
| 07:31.19 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: that's nice, I think about writing a small daemon that just keep the device open with hardcoded bitrate and channels and stuff |
| 07:31.51 | Gabrys | so that we don't need this "magic" in framework code |
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| 07:32.12 | Gabrys | (as probably this is very hw-specific) |
| 07:32.20 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i can't see how that's beneficial tbh |
| 07:33.33 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: beneficial it is, by mean I can use that daemon in qtmoko and android |
| 07:34.24 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: in qtmoko bt works out of the box given I have the device set up and given I do the amixers command (that should be not needed once kernel is fixed as I understand this :-)) |
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| 07:35.12 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i can't care less about android and i think it's reasonable to expect qtmoko allows for device-specific hooks to start/stop BT, so no need for an always-running daemon. |
| 07:35.34 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: btw, there's a C code example to do that channel switching. |
| 07:35.43 | Gabrys | I've seen that and just wanted to try :-) |
| 07:35.45 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: so do you confirm BT in qtmoko works decently? |
| 07:36.00 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: it works much better than in SHR for sure :-) |
| 07:36.04 | Gabrys | just the two "hacks" |
| 07:36.14 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: who's fixing the kernel? ;) |
| 07:36.43 | Gabrys | good question, is the bug actually found in kernel, or we just assume it's a bug, but no-one tried to find it? |
| 07:36.45 | PaulFertser | It's unfortunately not a trivial task for a new-comer. That DAPM stuff is complex enough to require "serious" learning effort. |
| 07:37.05 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i'm sure that can be considered a bug. The behaviour is definetely nasty and unwanted. |
| 07:37.14 | Gabrys | just the "DAPM" word is complex enough for me :D |
| 07:37.26 | Gabrys | do we have the bug reported anywhere? |
| 07:37.50 | Gabrys | or just explained by means of bug "what happens", "what should happen", "why it should happen" etc |
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| 07:40.29 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: there was a little discussion on kernel ML, involving broonie (who's one of the leading ASoC developers and is directly responsible for wolfson drivers). |
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| 07:40.53 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: I'll try to find it :-) |
| 07:41.23 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg08663.html |
| 07:41.34 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: thank you! :) |
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| 07:44.48 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: so far broonie was going to fix it but never did http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg08709.html |
| 07:48.03 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: that sentense is very heart-warming for me: The workaround also only needs to be done once: After the first flip of Capture Left Mixer, I just load the GSMBLUETOOTH.txt alsa state and get sound each time. |
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| 07:50.16 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: so my hacky brain tells me to really write the daemon, that applies the workaround at start |
| 07:50.23 | Gabrys | and then opens the hw0:1 device |
| 07:50.37 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i'm sure the workaround will break after the switch is set to something else. |
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| 07:51.08 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: so you'll probably have problems when you switch to handset and then back to BT. |
| 07:51.19 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: they say it makes the job after applying once and then playing with different states |
| 07:51.31 | Gabrys | if that's true, we only need this very once :-) |
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| 08:04.15 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: I need to be very clear about this: this is highly hardware specific. For hardware specific things, we have things like drivers :-). Sometimes there are drivers in user-space. So I want a daemon that runs on this specific device (but works for any distribution) to "supply" a valid bluetooth-headset device support |
| 08:04.56 | Gabrys | it became clear to me, that I want ONE program to "fix" those oddities run on ALL distributions |
| 08:05.37 | Gabrys | because no-one wants to introduce hw-specific code in their distribution :-) |
| 08:06.33 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i do not like daemon idea because it sits there all the time eating memeroy |
| 08:06.41 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i'd prefer hardware-specific hook |
| 08:06.54 | Gabrys | you know, it's just a few kilobytes |
| 08:07.07 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: ask radekp what would he prefer ;) |
| 08:07.15 | Gabrys | ok :-) |
| 08:10.22 | brolin_empey | http://pessimization.com/software/wyrd/demo/index.html :D |
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| 08:29.58 | badcloud | anyone know how to fix the mic volume slider in latest shr-t? |
| 08:33.03 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: have you made any progress on FSO side of bluetooth? |
| 08:33.27 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: I had experienced problems with state swapping in SHR |
| 08:33.35 | Gabrys | that stopped my working on actual BT |
| 08:33.45 | PaulFertser | Oh |
| 08:35.11 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: for example I found that states are now in /etc/something/neo/alsa-states |
| 08:35.23 | Gabrys | and two of the files were broken for some reason |
| 08:35.46 | Gabrys | they had some random characters at 95 lines |
| 08:35.59 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: oh shit, that might be indeed a problem :) |
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| 08:36.06 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: are shr devs aware now |
| 08:36.17 | Gabrys | I don't know :-) |
| 08:36.34 | Gabrys | it seemed like file was written but not truncated after writing :-) |
| 08:37.48 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: what particular files were wrong? |
| 08:37.56 | Gabrys | gsmhandset |
| 08:38.05 | Gabrys | and one more I don't recall right now |
| 08:38.11 | Gabrys | I just head -n 94 them |
| 08:38.12 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i doubt it's corrupted in repo. |
| 08:38.19 | Gabrys | me too |
| 08:39.35 | Gabrys | see you guys, I'll be back in a few hours |
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| 12:24.21 | pooze | updating my SHR now, I get a conflict with the package libglw1 wants to install some .so files that is already provided by mesa-dri. |
| 12:24.25 | pooze | any experience with this? |
| 12:25.34 | JaMa | pooze: remove mesa-dri first |
| 12:25.58 | pooze | JaMa: ok? as simple as that? don't need it anymore? |
| 12:26.37 | JaMa | pooze: mesa-dri == libglw1 |
| 12:26.46 | pooze | JaMa: ok, thanks. :) |
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| 12:44.03 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: I'm testing the daemon, it eats 300kB of RAM, I have no idea why so much :] |
| 12:44.13 | Gabrys | but still is the least-eating memory program on my phone :D |
| 12:45.19 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i'm afraid daemon won't integrate well in infrastracture. There're other platform-specific things to do on any device. I might be wrong though. |
| 12:45.53 | Gabrys | we'll test with radekp on qtmoko first, there're already other parts working well with BT |
| 12:47.22 | SpeedEvil | Gabrys: rss is _hugely_ misleading. |
| 12:47.24 | SpeedEvil | you want pss |
| 12:47.28 | SpeedEvil | proportional set size |
| 12:47.55 | Gabrys | SpeedEvil: you mean how to measure RAM consumption? |
| 12:48.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:48.33 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 12:48.38 | SpeedEvil | get that - and run it - for example |
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| 12:53.41 | Gabrys | SpeedEvil: but PSS <= RSS so my daemon eats not more than 300 kB |
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| 12:56.18 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 12:59.37 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/qnYAUGRJ - snapshot of example on my phone. |
| 12:59.46 | SpeedEvil | (no, I don't have my neo1973 up ATM) |
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| 14:21.19 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: confirmed, you need to apply the amixer workaround only once |
| 14:21.29 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: it even survives suspend :-) |
| 14:22.32 | Gabrys | I'm curious if the daemon will work also in Android (cause there Bluetooth seems to work other than no audio is routed) |
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| 16:21.02 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | bbl after fan replacement |
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| 17:46.38 | swoody | woo hoo :) |
| 17:46.43 | swoody | just got my FR today :D |
| 18:01.59 | PBeck | the last but not least who has bought a freerunner :> |
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| 18:42.02 | swoody | is anyone here using the FR in the US with a T-Mobile SIM card? |
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| 18:42.52 | swoody | mine is giving me some kind of sim card error when I try to search for networks |
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| 18:57.47 | tokstolle | hello together, I have a problem. I want to put in my sim-pin and I have no numberblock on my softkeyboard |
| 18:58.02 | tokstolle | I just got my OM new |
| 19:02.37 | max_posedon | you have "switcher" on keyboard |
| 19:02.44 | max_posedon | will switch alpha to numeric |
| 19:03.00 | max_posedon | but, first thing that I did when I get neo - disable sim-pin |
| 19:04.51 | tokstolle | okay, where is the switcher? an how can I disable the sim-pin? |
| 19:11.03 | tokstolle | my interface does not look like as it shown here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/Om_2007.2 |
| 19:12.34 | max_posedon | because you have other UI |
| 19:12.38 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2 is somewhat outdated. |
| 19:13.52 | Defiant | SpeedEvil: is it? It doesn't sound outdated ;) |
| 19:14.09 | tokstolle | so I dont have any usable setting manager. I have a main menu with contacts, dialer locations. No settings |
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| 19:14.40 | tokstolle | I think I should install another OS first? |
| 19:15.14 | marsan | go for SHR |
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| 19:15.36 | swoody | marsan: why do you reccomend SHR? |
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| 19:16.11 | marsan | swoody: its pretty much the most stable distro so far. |
| 19:16.15 | marsan | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR |
| 19:16.30 | Heinervdm | swoody: (SIM card error) have you updated the GSM firmware? |
| 19:16.53 | swoody | Heinervdm: no idea, I just got the phone with andriod on it, I'm flashing QTMoko right now |
| 19:17.30 | Heinervdm | swoody: older GSM firmware had problems with some sim cards |
| 19:17.51 | swoody | will the reflash help out, or is there somethign else I need to do? |
| 19:18.38 | marsan | you can disable sim-pin with another phone if u wish |
| 19:18.42 | Heinervdm | swoody: flashing new GSM firmware is enough |
| 19:18.53 | tokstolle | Oh what did I told you, I have a settings manager, but I cannot change anything there. Only infos about the buildserver, which U-boot ... |
| 19:19.49 | tokstolle | And its allmost imposible to wake up the display after it dimms |
| 19:20.34 | tokstolle | sometimes it can be waked with the reset button, sometimes don't :P |
| 19:21.17 | tokstolle | for example now. Its dark and remains dark |
| 19:22.43 | Heinervdm | tokstolle: flash another distro OM2007.2 is really old |
| 19:23.55 | marsan | agreed |
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| 19:28.29 | tokstolle | it is not OM2007.2, I just wrote it does not look like OM2007.2 and I cannot get any info how to toggle the keyboard |
| 19:29.05 | tokstolle | so in the mean time I boot it again. the build is from 18.12.2008 |
| 19:29.11 | paulk_ | Hello! Is OpenMoko still producing FreeRunners ? |
| 19:30.14 | tokstolle | for U-Boot I see Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 |
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| 19:31.29 | tokstolle | Build Host is Barbie, hmmm if this says anything to you? For version on the top, is no number :-/ |
| 19:32.52 | marsan | build host barbie was OM 2008.12 as far as i can remember |
| 19:33.31 | marsan | i would say it is still pretty useless compared t qtmoko and SHR wich are more up to date. |
| 19:35.27 | tokstolle | so okay I should install qtmoko first? Im a debian-user. But to start with OM I should choose qtmoko or SHR anyway? |
| 19:38.23 | marsan | i like SHR but thats just me |
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| 19:45.23 | tokstolle | Okay I'll take a look on these distros. I must leave now, but I'll be back. Keep it up :) |
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| 19:58.58 | swoody | woohoo! No buzz on my phone :D (knock on wood) |
| 20:02.56 | swoody | offhand, does anyone know what license u-boot is under? |
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| 20:04.00 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recally it was GPL2, moving to GPL3 |
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| 20:10.18 | swoody | thanks SpeedEvil :) |
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