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| 01:14.33 | brolin_empey | peeks and pokes PaulFertser. |
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| 05:39.44 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: pong |
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| 06:04.58 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Can you help me troubleshoot my RNDIS problem with Wireshark? |
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| 06:40.59 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i can try |
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| 06:43.49 | brolin_empey1 | This test message is sent via my WLAN at home. |
| 06:44.22 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey1: ok. |
| 06:44.59 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey1: do you mean wpa_supplicant started to work for you? |
| 06:45.13 | brolin_empey1 | I know it is very foolish, but I never even verified if Win7 can connect to my WLAN before trying to get QtMoko to connect to it. (fail) |
| 06:45.37 | brolin_empey1 | PaulFertser: No, I am using Pidgin on Win7. |
| 06:46.01 | PaulFertser | I see. |
| 06:46.51 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey1: so i guess you should start ping on FR (connected via rndis) and dump traffic on your win7 host to see what goes through the interfaces. |
| 06:47.26 | brolin_empey1 | had to enable SSID broadcast, which I usually avoid because I dislike advertising my WLAN, because Win7 did not see any signal when the SSID broadcast was disabled. (fail) |
| 06:48.25 | brolin_empey1 | Can the FreeRunner even connect to WLANs which do not broadcast their SSID? |
| 06:48.36 | PaulFertser | Security experts say that "hidden ssid" is generally useless except for very specific cases. |
| 06:48.51 | PaulFertser | I have no idea, i've never tried it with hidden ssid. |
| 06:49.09 | PaulFertser | But i really recommend to use wpa_supplicant directly for any wlan troubleshooting. |
| 06:50.16 | brolin_empey1 | PaulFertser: That does not surprise me because even the iPhone OS on my colleague's iPhone listed our WLAN at work, which does not broadcast its SSID, as a hidden network. |
| 06:51.46 | brolin_empey1 | PaulFertser: I mean even before my colleague entered our WLAN's SSID. |
| 06:51.54 | PaulFertser | Curious |
| 06:54.08 | brolin_empey1 | loves oldskool chiptunes. :) |
| 06:55.50 | brolin_empey1 | BRB, need to revert to a real (wired) LAN. ;) |
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| 07:01.20 | brolin_empey | Win7 still says I am connected to my WLAN even after disconnecting from the WLAN, physically reconnecting the Ethernet cable, then pressing my laptop's hotkey to disable the WLAN hardware interface. (fail) |
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| 07:10.39 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: wpa_supplicant appears to work on QtMoko, but "udhcpc eth0" never gets a DHCP lease. |
| 07:12.34 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I suppose I could try dhclient if my QtMoko had an Internet connection to install it, but udhcpc should work too, right? We use udhcpc for wired Ethernet LANs on our Medallion ARM Linux computers at work. |
| 07:16.05 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: try maxperf trick please if you want better chances of working wlan. |
| 07:20.45 | brolin_empey | still needs a better mod player for Windows than Mikamp. I am curious to try GLX.EXE (Galaxy Music Player)'s PC speaker output in DOSBox. It is surprising how good some mods sound on the PC speaker (a real speaker, with a paper cone). :) |
| 07:25.54 | brolin_empey | wanted to use TRAN.EXE to make FreeDOS on his bootable USB flash drive say "Welcome to FreeDOS" at the end of my AUTOEXEC.BAT, but FreeDOS hangs in the loader on brolin-V13 (my laptop); optiplex960 (my newest tower) appears to refuse to boot FreeDOS from my USB flash drive at all, even though it successfully boots FreeDOS from a floppy diskette (yes, I still use those sometimes.). :( |
| 07:27.12 | amarsh04 | was surprised to see one person at a local library using a usb floppy drive provided by the library to save her work |
| 07:28.46 | brolin_empey | wonders if TRAN.EXE still works on Windows 7 (32-bit). Thanks to WDDM on Windows Vista, I can no longer run Alley Cat with video on Windows Vista. I have not yet tried any software that old on Windows 7. |
| 07:34.39 | brolin_empey | amarsh04: Using floppy disk drives on public PCs is risky because the drive can make the disk unreadable if the drive is misaligned (or maybe dirty too?). I lost some projects in high school because of the floppy disk drive in one of my school's PCs. I should have used a USB flash drive, but that was a hassle because my school was still using Lose98 Second Failure which does not include a USB mass storage driver. |
| 07:36.17 | amarsh04 | yes, I agree... even when booting from my w95osr2 partition I can read usb drives though - it's a manual update to add support for usb drives |
| 07:37.02 | brolin_empey | amarsh04: from Nathan Lineback? |
| 07:37.41 | amarsh04 | forget what I added to provide support for usb drives on w95osr2 |
| 07:38.37 | amarsh04 | the last seamonkey that worked on w95osr2 was released about september 2009... definitely trailing edge legacy |
| 07:38.39 | brolin_empey | amarsh04: I know there are USB Mass Storage drivers available for Lose98, but the ones provided by USB flash driver vendors are usually not generic: they work only with that vendor's drives. |
| 07:38.49 | amarsh04 | ah ok |
| 07:44.54 | brolin_empey | amarsh04: Windows (not Windows NT) can be locked up simply by executing the CLI instruction in an infinite loop: I used to have the DEBUG sequence to assemble and write 0xFAEBFE to a .COM file memorised so I could lock up public Windows PCs. :) |
| 07:45.22 | amarsh04 | hehe |
| 07:49.02 | brolin_empey | There is a bug in Windows Explorer on Win95 without IE4 or higher which allows the Start button to be closed. That was always fun to do in libraries, then watch the next person who walks up to the PC try to use it. :) |
| 07:51.54 | brolin_empey | I think I actually wrote a C program using the Windows API to hide and show the Start button and other parts of the taskbar, which would work for versions of Windows where the close-Start-menu bug is fixed, but then I need permission to execute programs from removable media. |
| 07:53.26 | brolin_empey | Infinite alert loops are fun in Web browsers too: javascript:while(1){alert("pwned!!1");} |
| 07:54.44 | brolin_empey | Fork bombs should be possible too by e.g., opening new windows/tabs in an infinite loop. |
| 07:55.45 | Wonka | fork bomb in a shell script: |
| 07:55.54 | Wonka | :s |
| 07:55.57 | Wonka | start %0 |
| 07:55.59 | Wonka | goto s |
| 07:57.39 | brolin_empey | Wonka: that is a batch file, not a (*nix) shell script. ;) |
| 07:58.10 | Wonka | well, the Win/DOS equivalent ;) |
| 08:01.52 | brolin_empey | Wonka: "net send" in an infinite loop was fun for spamming people before Microsoft disabled the Messenger service on Windows by default. :( |
| 08:08.13 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I already used Wireshark on Win7 to monitor the traffic to/from my FR, including while running ping on the FR, but I could not find anything which looked incorrect to me. |
| 08:12.17 | brolin_empey | My brain did not refresh its DRAM fast enough because I forgot what I was doing again. :( |
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| 08:14.35 | brolin_empey | Oh right, I was searching for the maxperf trick to see if I can get WLAN working on QtMoko. |
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| 08:34.50 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: ping. |
| 08:36.07 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: My QtMoko lacks wmiconfig so I cannot try your maxperf trick. :( |
| 08:36.55 | brolin_empey | should probably go to bed soon to avoid borking his sleep cycle Yet Again. (fail) |
| 08:41.02 | brolin_empey | Hmm, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rfc1337 ? :) |
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| 10:11.13 | azaghal | Is SHR safe to be upgraded using opkg upgrade? |
| 10:12.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm... speaking of which... how can i boot the fr if i think i've OOD'd my flash? will i have to install debian on usd and boot that? |
| 10:13.19 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: sorry, felt asleep in the middle of the day |
| 10:13.43 | azaghal | Also, are there C++ binding to the e17 libs? |
| 10:15.09 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: just download wmiconfig binary from anywhere |
| 10:15.18 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: and ask radekp to include it in the distro. |
| 10:15.30 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: but you can use the ready-made binary regardless, for the time being. |
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| 10:29.57 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: It now seems very foolish, but I have never tried using a different subnet for my FR than for the rest of my LAN. (epic fail) |
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| 10:30.19 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: for bridging it sounds ok though. |
| 10:30.34 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: if win7 bridge is the same as "normal" bridge. |
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| 11:43.49 | azaghal | Any suggestions on how to prevent finger-scrolling (in SHR) to trigger application startup? |
| 11:46.47 | brolin_empey1 | PaulFertser: I finally solved my problem: ARP on QtMoko could not resolve my LAN's Internet gateway's IP address (192.168.0.2) to a MAC address, which is what caused the "Destination Host Unreachable" errors when pinging. I should have checked ARP days ago because I learned about it years ago, but I think this is one of, if not the, first time(s) I have needed to manually add an ARP entry. Oh well, lessons learned from first-hand |
| 11:49.11 | brolin_empey | azaghal: Why are you using SHR instead of QtMoko? ;) |
| 11:49.31 | azaghal | brolin_empey: Better integration with X apps. |
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| 11:49.57 | azaghal | QtMoko is nice, though. Feels a bit faster, although SHR has progressed very well since the last time I used it. |
| 11:50.02 | azaghal | (with the exception of slow scrolling) |
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| 11:52.41 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: but why arp didn't pass through the bridge? |
| 11:52.50 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: probably that's something special about win7 bridges? |
| 11:54.12 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: btw, i guess wiresharking could have shown you that arp problem. |
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| 12:47.55 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I did use Wireshark, but I never noticed ARP was not working. I have learned an important lesson, though, even if it literally took days, which only means I will be more likely to remember to always check ARP. :) |
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| 12:48.49 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: win |
| 12:50.34 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: %WINDIR%\WIN.COM ? I hope not! ;) |
| 12:52.21 | brolin_empey | feels so pleased and accomplished to have finally solved his problem. :) |
| 12:53.29 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i remember a funny program called runme.com that's advertised as some kind of quiz. It had only "lea dx, $stupid_msg; mov ax, 9; int 21h; jmp $" (print string, dead loop) or something like that in the beginning, and then plenty of explanation in plain text discussing what it means if you first disassembled it before running. |
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| 12:54.49 | brolin_empey | used to have similar feelings when he finally got one of his own programs working after struggling for hours or even days. |
| 12:58.08 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: dead loop = infinite loop? |
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| 12:59.13 | PaulFertser | dFence: brolin_empey yeah |
| 12:59.49 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: dFence? |
| 13:02.21 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: sorry, typo from another chan |
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| 13:03.31 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: and yes, it hanged any win9x box, just as you outlined :) |
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| 13:38.41 | brolin_empey | http://xkcd.com/unixkcd/ :D I missed this on 2010-04-01 because I have not visited xkcd for weeks. |
| 13:40.08 | PaulFertser | I missed emacs-like keybindings there |
| 13:43.26 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Did you notice GRUB 2 (at least on Ubuntu 9.10) uses emacs-like keybindings instead of the vi-style keybindings used by GRUB Legacy? |
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| 13:50.39 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I executed "sudo rm -rf /", now I cannot run any commands, not even "help". :) |
| 13:51.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | whips out a trout |
| 13:52.03 | brolin_empey | Kamping_Kaiser: Your trouser trout? Or Khaled's? ;) |
| 13:52.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | brolin_empey: its a PG13 channel ;) |
| 13:53.03 | brolin_empey | Writing of trout-slapping, is Pidgin the new mIRC? :) |
| 13:53.37 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: LOL |
| 13:54.24 | brolin_empey | Kamping_Kaiser: Shouldn't that be PC-13, like Wolf3D? :) |
| 13:55.10 | brolin_empey | Gets Psyched! |
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| 13:56.56 | brolin_empey | I mean: Get(s) Psyched. C:\> EDIT CONFIG.SYS; SET BUGS=OFF; SET TYPOS=OFF |
| 13:57.40 | brolin_empey | Get(s) Psyched. |
| 13:57.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | get: command not found |
| 13:57.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
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| 14:00.24 | brolin_empey | Kamping_Kaiser: Try wget. :) |
| 14:00.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 14:02.24 | brolin_empey | tried "wget http://www.microsoft.com/", expecting a joke response, but actually opened Microsoft's Web site! :) |
| 14:03.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | be glad you didn't -c -m it ;D |
| 14:04.39 | brolin_empey | Kamping_Kaiser: -c for continue partial download and -m for mirror? |
| 14:04.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | brolin_empey: yup |
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| 14:05.36 | brolin_empey | I mean "(c)ontinue partial download" and "(m)irror". |
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| 14:34.25 | brolin_empey | Kamping_Kaiser: "irc" works. :) |
| 14:35.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 14:39.43 | Slaxxed | rather have a pengy |
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| 15:57.46 | swoody | hello everyone :) |
| 15:58.39 | swoody | Has there been just as much reporting of the infamous 'buzz' issue lately? Or is this much less of an issue now?... |
| 15:59.16 | swoody | I was reading through the wiki, and the buzz page seems to not have much action lately: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_or_not |
| 15:59.35 | d1b | swoody: depends on which hardware you have |
| 16:00.03 | swoody | more specifically, I'm interested in knowing about how the A6 would do on a 1900 Mhz network in the USA (T-mobile) |
| 16:01.02 | swoody | d1b: well I know the newer A7 units have the fix, but has the A6 issue still been prevelant as of late? |
| 16:02.10 | d1b | no idea |
| 16:02.15 | d1b | i still have an a5 |
| 16:03.19 | swoody | there's only one report of a 1900 network on that wiki page, but it's listed as 850/1900, so it could be possible that the user was on 850 when the buzz was occuring? |
| 16:03.45 | swoody | has this issue been attributed to certain network frequencies, or is it strictly a hardware issue? |
| 16:03.51 | d1b | no idea im on gsm 1900 iirc |
| 16:04.20 | swoody | d1b: and do you have any buzz? Or did the A5 not have this issue? |
| 16:04.42 | d1b | well there is something audio quality was always subpar but i don't think i had real bug |
| 16:04.46 | d1b | buzz* |
| 16:04.52 | d1b | i now use an android g1 htc phone as a phone tho |
| 16:05.09 | swoody | ah, ok. |
| 16:05.35 | d1b | i wanted a phone that worked as a phone |
| 16:05.37 | swoody | I'd really love to pull the trigger on the A6, but this has gotten me thinking twice :/ |
| 16:05.46 | d1b | oh? |
| 16:05.57 | d1b | if i was you i would go for the a7 maybe |
| 16:06.00 | swoody | d1b: what wasn't working for you with the A5? Just the quality of the calls? |
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| 16:06.04 | d1b | it really depends on the use case |
| 16:06.11 | d1b | like shr was better. |
| 16:06.24 | d1b | try talking to some one else i guess. like in the end i did like my moko |
| 16:07.55 | PaulFertser | swoody: funny thing: there're reports A7 are sometimes defective too |
| 16:08.03 | PaulFertser | swoody: and require a bit of resoldering |
| 16:08.29 | swoody | PaulFertser: well that's not good to hear, lol |
| 16:08.35 | PaulFertser | swoody: and anyway, why not just do the buzzfix?! |
| 16:08.38 | swoody | and I take it, this is less common than the A6? |
| 16:08.45 | PaulFertser | I think i'm not the only one sick of all this talk |
| 16:08.51 | swoody | lol, /me isn't too handy with a soldering iron ;) |
| 16:09.14 | PaulFertser | swoody: all unfixed A6 might have buzz, it doesn't depend on the unit, it depends on operating conditions. |
| 16:09.34 | PaulFertser | swoody: and some A7s are apparently not soldered right at the factory. There's at least one definitive report. |
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| 16:10.26 | swoody | you would think an issue like this would be top-priority for OpenMoko :/ |
| 16:10.30 | PaulFertser | swoody: i'd recommend: just buy an A6 (they're cheap nowdays) and you start getting complains, perform the buzzfix at your uni or at work. |
| 16:10.36 | swoody | I mean not knowing if/when it'll pop up on you |
| 16:11.09 | PaulFertser | Heh, some words are missing in my sentences, gotta do some bugfixing :) |
| 16:11.14 | swoody | PaulFertser: that was my idea, too. But my current phone is now borked, and I would need to have a working phone ASAP |
| 16:12.05 | PaulFertser | swoody: well... I'd say FR is a cool device but if you need something reliable you can count on every day, better get nokia 1100 or the like. I guess you can get that even for free. |
| 16:12.31 | PaulFertser | swoody: FR is cool for developers and tinkerers. It's still not "ready" for "general public". |
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| 16:13.05 | swoody | well, I'm a bit of a tinkerer, but it's mostly with software and OS'es, not soldering :/ |
| 16:13.22 | swoody | I have no problem working through buggy software :) |
| 16:13.26 | PaulFertser | swoody: is it really that hard to find someone who can solder nearby? |
| 16:13.48 | PaulFertser | swoody: because buzzfix is not really involving and doesn't require any special equipment or skills, just a bit of experience. |
| 16:14.26 | swoody | well, I can definitely look into it. I'm sure I can find someone, I just don't know anybody offhand that would be able to do it |
| 16:14.56 | swoody | but alas, I have to run for a bit. Will be back on later :) |
| 16:14.58 | PaulFertser | swoody: i'd say that steady hand and not that big soldering iron is enough. |
| 16:15.19 | swoody | hmmm... maybe this will be a good chance for me to give it a try even ;) |
| 16:15.30 | PaulFertser | swoody: and if you can get some defective video card or something for practice, that'd be of help to the soldering guy too. |
| 16:15.37 | swoody | I'm mechanically apt, but just haven't put in any time with an iron |
| 16:16.00 | PaulFertser | Then practice on something already broken with small parts first. |
| 16:16.52 | PaulFertser | swoody: anyway, welcome to the club and good luck with your adventures ;) |
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| 16:23.00 | swoody | thanks PaulFertser :) |
| 16:23.08 | swoody | will talk to you all later, take care |
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| 17:04.37 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:44.32 | tim_abell | ha ha very funny, i see the april fools made it into shr-t |
| 18:50.27 | tim_abell | http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/april.png |
| 18:54.04 | tomcatek | huehue |
| 18:54.53 | tim_abell | i expect a few people will ask me if i've given up on linux next time i see them |
| 18:55.23 | tomcatek | hehehe |
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| 18:55.51 | tomcatek | You can tell them, that You managed to run windows mobile under wine :) |
| 19:00.14 | tim_abell | lol, shortly before shooting it |
| 19:00.36 | tomcatek | hehe |
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| 20:04.42 | Gabrys | what qtmoko to try? v18 which is newer or v19 which has bigger version number? :> |
| 20:06.47 | Martix | v18 is with newer 2.6.32 kernel, but with few more bugs |
| 20:09.19 | Gabrys | so better try v19? |
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| 20:29.53 | tim_abell | any news on the volume slider issue for shr-t? http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-April/004401.html |
| 20:30.18 | tim_abell | i don't seem to have the fix yet |
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| 23:03.45 | ius | Can I interest anyone (.eu) in a nice ~100-150 EUR OMAP3 hackable phone [/looking for kernel monkeys]? |
| 23:21.25 | ndnihil | I don't do much kernel, but I'm interested in such a device |
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| 23:39.04 | ius | ndnihil: The Samsung H1 ships with a LiMo-based OS in quite a few European countries (Vodafone branded). Because the software side of things isn't much of a hit, it's available cheap on $localCraigslist. |
| 23:41.02 | ius | The hardware however, is really nice. I'm currently working on porting as much stuff as I can over to a decent kernel, but am looking for a helping hand. Some guys (two or so) familiar with OpenMoko wanted to help out, but they're rather busy, which pretty much leaves me (not specifically targeting OpenMoko) |
| 23:43.32 | ius | I'm sure there's still plenty of people around interesed, I just don't know how to find 'em ;) |
| 23:44.56 | Martix | ius: try ask also on #openmoko-cdevel or mailing lists |
| 23:46.14 | ius | Sounds like a plan |
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