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| 05:14.55 | brolin_empey | Does anyone other than me use their FR's USB networking with RNDIS (Windows host)? |
| 05:17.02 | brolin_empey | has successfully bridged his Local Area Connection + Neo Connection on Win7 Pro 32-bit. I can ssh from Cygwin on Win7 to QtMoko on my FR, but QtMoko cannot even ping my LAN's gateway: I always get "Destination Host Unreachable". :( |
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| 06:31.01 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: check routing on FR |
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| 07:00.46 | blindcoder | brolin_empey: I try not to use it as it regularly crashed the XP machine |
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| 07:36.25 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: The routing is correct. RNDIS worked intermittently on QtMoko v14, so maybe it will start working later on v19. I am back to using my USBâEthernet adapter on my FR because it is the only reliable way I have found to network QtMoko with Win7. |
| 07:38.12 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: I do not use Windows XP on my own PCs any more. RealTimeIsUniversal=1 support is /still/ partially broken on Windows XP. |
| 07:38.39 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: Are you using a Braille terminal? ;) |
| 07:39.03 | blindcoder | brolin_empey: what's RealTimeIsUniversal? |
| 07:39.14 | blindcoder | brolin_empey: I have to use XP on the company laptop :-( |
| 07:39.20 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: Or a screen reader? |
| 07:39.27 | blindcoder | brolin_empey: nah, blindness is just metaphorical |
| 07:39.55 | blindcoder | brolin_empey: as in "hey, I just had a look at your code and increased its usefulness by an order of magnitude with just 15 additional characters!" |
| 07:40.07 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: Yes, I figured, hence the ";)". ;) |
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| 07:41.56 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html |
| 07:42.41 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: Using local time (zone) in a RTC is illogical, especially if the time zone uses DST. |
| 07:48.23 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: if you can ssh, then it means theres no problem with rndis |
| 07:49.28 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Then why can QtMoko not even ping my LAN's gateway, which is the default gateway in its routing table? |
| 07:49.59 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: why do not you start tcpdump on your host to find out? |
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| 07:50.00 | brolin_empey | I mean in QtMoko's routing table. |
| 07:50.15 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: can you show your FR's routing table? |
| 07:54.20 | brolin_empey | neo:~# route |
| 07:54.20 | brolin_empey | Kernel IP routing table |
| 07:54.20 | brolin_empey | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 07:54.20 | brolin_empey | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 07:54.20 | brolin_empey | default 192.168.0.2 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 07:54.21 | brolin_empey | neo:~# |
| 07:55.16 | brolin_empey | eth1 = my USBâEthernet adapter. s/eth1/usb0/g for RNDIS. |
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| 07:57.14 | blindcoder | so 192.168.0.2 is your LANs default router? |
| 07:57.26 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: something tells me that tcpdumping on your host will almost immediately reveal the cause rndis doesn't work as expected for you. |
| 07:57.28 | blindcoder | and it responds to ping from other hosts? |
| 07:57.56 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Because I did not want to get sidetracked by trying to find why RNDIS is intermittent. Sometimes it started working without me changing any networking config. I use my USBâEthernet adapter because it is always reliable. |
| 07:58.51 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: ok, your choice. Also i've no idea how bridging works on win7, so you're on your own here. I'd say that's not a kernel problem anymore, and rather some configuration issue, probably on host. |
| 07:59.58 | PaulFertser | It's also not apparent to me why you do not want to set your win7 host to do NAT for FR. |
| 08:00.41 | brolin_empey | blindcoder: Yes and yes. |
| 08:02.37 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Why would I want Win7 to do NAT for my FR? That sounds unnecessarily complex. |
| 08:04.12 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: hm, on Linux that's one command, not any more complex than setting up a bridge configuration-wise. |
| 08:04.45 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I could try, but I do not want to have to manually reconfigure networking on Win7 every time I connect or disconnect my FR. |
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| 08:06.17 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I do not mean the commands to configure the NAT for the FR are complex, I mean why would I want to do that instead of bridging Local Area Connection + Neo Connection? |
| 08:06.56 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i'm not sure you need to reconfigure NAT every time you attach/detach the FR, at least that's not the case with Linux. |
| 08:07.24 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: well, as i've said: i'm not sure how bridging works with win7, just that. It should be ok, just use tcpdump/wireshark or whatever to see what's going on... |
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| 08:10.00 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Do I need to enable IPv4 forwarding on my FR and/or Win7? |
| 08:11.28 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: for bridging most probably not, but again, i've no experience with bridging on windows. |
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| 08:25.55 | brolin_empey | just discovered a better (safer) hardware solution, still using the USBâEthernet adapter. |
| 08:33.25 | brolin_empey | I was using a 5-pin mini USB MâUSB A F adapter connected to the USB A M black upstream connector of my dual-power USB hub so my FR is line-powered while I am using the USBâEthernet adapter connected to the dual-power USB hub. This was risky because there could be too much weight on the 5-pin mini USB MâUSB A F adapter, or the adapter could get bent, etc. I had USB A FâUSB A F couplers, but I never used them for my FR until n |
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| 08:35.04 | brolin_empey | Now I can use my FR with a direct wired Ethernet connection to my LAN with only a regular USB cable connected to the FR, so I do not have to worry about breaking my FR's USB socket again! :) |
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| 08:37.01 | brolin_empey | This is so cool! Now I do not need to worry about bridging, NAT, nor routing any more. :) |
| 08:37.43 | brolin_empey | As usual, the best solution is a hardware solution. ;) |
| 08:44.20 | PaulFertser | Congrats :) |
| 08:46.31 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Thanks. I guess I would not be able to do this with an N900 since it lacks USB Host! ;) |
| 08:48.23 | brolin_empey | Are there any non-Openmoko Linux phones with USB Host? Maybe the Greenphone? |
| 08:49.33 | brolin_empey | Of course, I would not need a USBâEthernet adapter if QtMoko could connect to my WLAN at home and work. :P |
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| 08:55.10 | radekp | brolin_empey: btw which kernel do you use now? |
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| 09:02.34 | brolin_empey | radekp: QtMoko v19-debug because v19-nodebug would not suspend. (fail) |
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| 09:06.32 | brolin_empey | wonders if his landlord would accept not paying his rent for April as an April/All Fool's Day joke. ;) |
| 09:07.04 | brolin_empey | Let me guess: no. :( |
| 09:07.29 | PaulFertser | He can accept you not paying the rent on the 1th though i'd guess. |
| 09:08.18 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: s/1th/1st/gi ;) |
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| 09:09.22 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i knew something's wrong in that statement, thanks :) |
| 09:09.25 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: English inconsistently uses "first, second, third", not "oneth, twoth, third". |
| 09:10.02 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: as i do not say words i type usually, i missed the typo :) |
| 09:11.49 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: 1th and 2th instead of 1st and 2nd is common with non-native English speakers who do not know the first 2 ordinals (excluding zeroth ;)) are exceptional. |
| 09:12.34 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: well, believe me or not, but i do know about those exceptions. |
| 09:12.40 | PaulFertser | ;) |
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| 09:21.16 | brolin_empey | radekp: Will I ever be able to use the QtEI GUI to connect to my WLAN at home and work? |
| 09:22.27 | brolin_empey | iPhone users will still laugh at me for using wired Ethernet instead of WLAN on my FR. :P |
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| 09:33.54 | brolin_empey | spoke too soon: USB data does not work through the cable + coupler. :( Why not? |
| 09:35.24 | naquan | 's really disappointed, they set up the stable directory in SHR build host and still nothing's in it, is this a Apr 1st trick? :( |
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| 09:36.39 | brolin_empey | naquan: SHR is not stable. Can't you tell that from the Stable in the name Stable Hybrid Release? ;) |
| 09:37.23 | brolin_empey | misnomer++; |
| 09:40.24 | naquan | brolin_empey: so the stable directory 's really a April Fool's trick? |
| 09:40.58 | JaMa | naquan: read about it in shr mailing lists |
| 09:41.02 | thrashold | No, just the stable branch of Stable Hybrid Release isn't stable, isn't it obvious? :P |
| 09:41.20 | brolin_empey | naquan: I do not know; I was just joking. |
| 09:43.01 | brolin_empey | would really like working WLAN in the QtEI GUI on QtMoko, or at least in the CLI. :( |
| 09:43.10 | Weiss | hehe |
| 09:43.25 | Weiss | enjoys how SHR is not really Stable, Hybrid or Released |
| 09:43.47 | brolin_empey | Weiss: sheshe? ;) |
| 09:44.08 | Weiss | :) |
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| 10:10.00 | naquan | JaMa: ok, i got it. "When it'll be ready" |
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| 10:29.19 | radekp | brolin_empey: i dont know what is your problem exactly - the gui uses wpa_supplicant, so if you can connect manually via wpa_supplicant then problem is in GUI |
| 10:29.51 | radekp | brolin_empey: if not the problem is in wpa_supplicant (or it's configuration) or on some lower level |
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| 10:31.55 | radekp | brolin_empey: laugh at iPhone users - they cant use wired Ethernet :) |
| 10:34.50 | radekp | brolin_empey: anyway i am afraid i cant help you very much with wifi from command line - i never did anything more advanced then "iwconfig essid" |
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| 10:51.16 | brolin_empey | radekp: Most iPhone users probably do not even want to use wired Ethernet because they have working WLAN. Anyway, I need to try wpa_supplicant again on QtMoko v19. Maybe I was just missing the "iwconfig essid" command before I run "udhcpc eth0"? Anyway, I really need to go to bed now. |
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