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| 06:47.27 | brolin_empey | Why are usb_mode and hostmode missing from sysfs on QtMoko v18? (fail) |
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| 06:57.58 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: hi |
| 06:58.17 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: can you tell me the kernel version you're using, and also if it's "nodebug" kernel or not? |
| 06:58.29 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: your letter didn't specify this most important info, unfortunately. |
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| 07:34.33 | raster | burrp |
| 07:34.51 | nullix | cheers |
| 07:40.08 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: 2.6.32, how do I know if it is nodebug? |
| 07:41.39 | JaMa | brolin_empey: if you mean 2.6.32 built in shr buildhost, it's "nodebug" |
| 07:42.13 | JaMa | brolin_empey: you can check kernel config "modprobe configs; zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i DEBUG" |
| 07:43.32 | brolin_empey | JaMa: it is from QtMoko v18, not SHR. |
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| 07:45.42 | brolin_empey | JaMa: "FATAL: module configs not found." |
| 07:47.45 | PaulFertser | JaMa: it's you who should know about the usb host/device controls in recent kernels btw |
| 07:48.55 | brolin_empey | JaMa: same for "config" instead of "configs". |
| 07:50.14 | JaMa | PaulFertser: why me? because of pushing 2.6.32 as new default SHR kernel? or because of using it (I used usb only for eth@usb).. |
| 07:50.45 | JaMa | brolin_empey: sorry don't know about QtMoko kernel config |
| 07:51.11 | JaMa | brolin_empey: maybe is configs already included in kernel (not as module) -> /proc/config.gz would exist |
| 07:51.34 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I think I did not mention which kernel I am using because it is part of radekp's QtMoko v18 images, so presumably everyone who uses QtMoko v18 uses the same kernel unless they build their own, but why would they need to if radekp's kernel is properly configured? |
| 07:51.57 | PaulFertser | JaMa: yeah |
| 07:52.43 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i do not think any of the folks interested in low-level stuff are using QtMoko |
| 07:53.28 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: to me it looks like usb host control is not implemented in .32 yet. |
| 07:53.48 | brolin_empey | JaMa: there is no /proc/conf* :( |
| 07:54.06 | PaulFertser | In fact i was a bit demotivated to work on .32 because it didn't properly suspend/resume so i couldn't use it on a daily basis. |
| 07:54.26 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: ask radekp why he disabled that option, it's usually useful. |
| 07:54.53 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i mean i thought you might know something because i know you're using it. |
| 07:55.00 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: radekp is not answering my e-mails. (fail) |
| 07:55.44 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I do not even receive MDNs, so I do not even know if he is reading my e-mails. :( |
| 07:55.44 | PaulFertser | I took a look at gta02_devices_pmu_children and it doesn't list the device that should control power for usb host, so i guess it's reasonable to assume it's just nobody did that already. |
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| 07:57.31 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: mdn? i do not think it's reasonable to assume all the servers in chain support sendmail's way of delivery confirmation. |
| 07:58.50 | PaulFertser | But that is called "dsn". |
| 07:59.00 | Wonka | DSNs are... not supported by everything |
| 07:59.20 | PaulFertser | Wonka: but sendmail? |
| 07:59.33 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: No, I mean I have requested an MDN on e-mails sent personally (off-list) to radekp, but I have not received any MDNs from radekp. |
| 07:59.45 | Wonka | PaulFertser: does support it, if new enough, but can be configured off, iirc |
| 07:59.59 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: probably he's just busy and haven't read that yet, or his mua doesn't support the feature. |
| 08:00.54 | Wonka | when my Thunderbird at work asks if it should send a "has been read" notification, I only swear there's no "remember" checkbox and hit "no" |
| 08:01.38 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I mean MDN, not DSN. I frequently request MDNs, but do not think I have ever requested a DSN. |
| 08:01.46 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: got it |
| 08:03.18 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: please, next time when you're reporting a kernel-related issue, specify the version exactly. Just in case. And btw, i do not think you'll be happy with n900, it's too constrained and runs ancient kernel. |
| 08:03.38 | brolin_empey | Wonka: Thunderbird does not need a "remember" checkbox because you can configure it to always ignore MDN requests. The default config is to always ask. I know because I have used Thunderbird for years, after Mozilla Mail, after Netscape Messenger. :) |
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| 08:04.31 | Wonka | oh, didn't find that yet then |
| 08:05.45 | brolin_empey | Most of my colleagues who use a real (= desktop application) MUA instead of crappy Web mail use Thunderbird too. Thunderbird is my favourite MUA. :) |
| 08:06.12 | JaMa | PaulFertser: suspend/resume is quite reliable here now (after Weiss's fix for WSOD during resume with DRM kernel) |
| 08:06.19 | PaulFertser | Wonka: i'm not suprired it's hard to find any useful settings in that bloated counter-inuitive piece of software, same goes about firefox obviously. |
| 08:06.37 | brolin_empey | I mean at work. Some use other MUAs at home. |
| 08:06.43 | PaulFertser | JaMa: it's good to hear, probably i should finally switch... |
| 08:07.55 | PaulFertser | JaMa: anything i'll be desperately missing? Phone functionality? And btw, i remember larsc wanted to get rid of all in-kernel drivers that only touch regulators/gpio to switch devices on/off. What happened with that idea? How is e.g. gsm modem controlled nowadays? |
| 08:08.23 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Sorry, I was in rant mode (Really? Can you tell? ;)) when I wrote my e-mail. |
| 08:08.58 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: That is also why I did not break it into separate paragraphs. (fail) |
| 08:09.15 | JaMa | PaulFertser: not sure how debian userspace is ready for .32, for SHR we have script adjusting few configs/alsa states to make it compatible with .32 |
| 08:09.46 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i'm sure you'll success with at least breaking into paragraphs then next time, np |
| 08:10.11 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Define "ancient kernel". I was still using 2.6.29 on QtMoko v14. |
| 08:10.11 | PaulFertser | JaMa: heh, that's not exactly what i was asking about ;) |
| 08:10.21 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: .28 |
| 08:10.21 | JaMa | PaulFertser: but it's still not out-of-the-box phone functionality (hopefully in next week or so there will be fso already using new configs and phonefsod/phoneuid adjusted too) |
| 08:10.58 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: and many non-free components, starting with telephony, pulseaudio plugin etc etc. It's not nearly as flexible. And also you have no hope to get usb host on it. |
| 08:11.36 | PaulFertser | JaMa: in fact i'm considering compiling natively all recent framework+shr on my FR but i'm afraid it'll be too much work :( |
| 08:11.45 | JaMa | PaulFertser: and modem power I'm not sure, fso has rfkill plugin, and I remember that mickey asked larsc to have that option for every driver.. |
| 08:12.08 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i'm strongly opposed to rfkill now :| |
| 08:12.19 | JaMa | why? |
| 08:12.20 | PaulFertser | JaMa: useless subsystem, only to confuse users. |
| 08:12.32 | PaulFertser | JaMa: and abusing it for power control won't bring much good imho. |
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| 08:13.19 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: The MDN policy is easy for me to find in Thunderbird's Account Settings, but I also frequently set up Thunderbird for people at work, so maybe I am too familiar with it. ;) |
| 08:13.20 | PaulFertser | JaMa: you've no idea how many problems were due to even properly working rfkill support, not mentioning driver bugs when it wasn't working. So many hours of developers and end-users wasted, for a really useless stuff. |
| 08:13.20 | JaMa | ah.. IIRC mickey sort of liked it.. |
| 08:13.32 | PaulFertser | JaMa: it shouldn't have existed in the first place, since it's really pointless. |
| 08:13.47 | PaulFertser | JaMa: you know how is PM is supposed to be done with modern wifi drivers? |
| 08:14.32 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i'd always prefer something more tweakable and also something that can run in a GNU Screen session. |
| 08:16.02 | PaulFertser | JaMa: the official notion is: when all "VIFs" (virtual interfaces) of a particular hardware are "down" (ip l s wlanX down), it should be brought to the least consuming state. |
| 08:16.13 | PaulFertser | JaMa: that's sane and reasonable. |
| 08:17.10 | PaulFertser | JaMa: if you want a sane solution for a serial attached devices, the only "real" option is a dedicated line discipline, i'd say. Probably it can be written to be generic enough to accomodate various devices and call PM hooks. |
| 08:17.20 | PaulFertser | JaMa: that would be reasonable thing to do in fact. |
| 08:17.29 | PaulFertser | JaMa: hm, probably i should try to spend time on that. |
| 08:19.30 | JaMa | Ah, but still some unified interface for PM is better than random sysfs nodes for controling devices, isn't it? So you can improve the implementation with same API? |
| 08:19.47 | PaulFertser | JaMa: rfkill is not an interface for PM. |
| 08:19.48 | JaMa | PaulFertser: or do you see the API wrong and not fixable? |
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| 08:20.16 | JaMa | then I should clearly read something about rfkill first :) |
| 08:20.22 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i think the idea of rfkill is pointless, and that is something that is the cause for all other things. |
| 08:20.39 | PaulFertser | JaMa: i've read the official page in documentation many times. I found no sense in it tbh ;) |
| 08:22.07 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: .28 is probably still sufficiently recent for me. I already knew the N900 lacks USB Host support; I can probably live without it. I know the N900 has many non-free components; they do not bother me as long as they work. I know it can make upgrading the kernel difficult without Nokia's support, though. Why would I prefer Windows 7 over Linux (Ubuntu) on my PC if non-free components bothered me? ;) |
| 08:23.19 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: my Linux PC at home is still running Ubuntu v8.04, which uses .24. :P |
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| 08:25.53 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: I was afraid .32 lacked USB mode control. This situation is completely my fault, though, because I did not properly back up my QtMoko v14 installation by saving a NAND image I could have restored after I discovered QtMoko v18 is unusable. (epic fail) |
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| 08:41.31 | brolin_empey | radekp: Why did you not enable /proc/config.gz support in QtMoko v18's kernel? :( |
| 08:42.13 | radekp | brolin_empey: i just took config from lars |
| 08:42.20 | radekp | brolin_empey: btw have wifi fixed now |
| 08:42.38 | radekp | brolin_empey: i can upload newer kernel if you want to try |
| 08:43.30 | brolin_empey | radekp: Does that imply you read (redd) my FR unusability rant? :) |
| 08:43.47 | radekp | yup, just minute ago |
| 08:44.21 | radekp | but my wife is ill and i have to take care of two childeren, so sorry there is not much time... |
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| 08:45.44 | brolin_empey | radekp: I am surprised you are married with children (I assume they are your children?). :) |
| 08:46.08 | radekp | yup they are - i hope :) |
| 08:46.44 | radekp | btw the kernel config is git |
| 08:47.03 | brolin_empey | radekp: Are they QTs (cuties)? ;) |
| 08:47.23 | radekp | sure :) |
| 08:48.19 | brolin_empey | radekp: Did you read the e-mails I sent to you personally? I forgot what they were about, though. :P |
| 08:48.45 | radekp | brolin_empey: i think you wanted me to try on windows 7 |
| 08:49.00 | radekp | brolin_empey: i think i will be able to try it now |
| 08:49.17 | brolin_empey | radekp: Yes, that is correct. :) |
| 08:50.32 | brolin_empey | radekp: Yes, I definitely want the kernel with working WLAN since WLAN seems to be my only hope for being able to ssh into QtMoko v18. |
| 08:51.48 | radekp | brolin_empey: there was problem that wifi driver sometimes failed to initialize |
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| 08:52.29 | radekp | brolin_empey: i applied patch from openmoko bug tracker and tested it - booted like 40times and same number of suspends and it was always ok |
| 08:52.52 | radekp | brolin_empey: before it failed like 1 of 3 boots |
| 08:56.01 | radekp | brolin_empey: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/uImage-v18.1.bin |
| 08:56.09 | radekp | brolin_empey: should be with fixed wlan |
| 09:00.04 | Gabrys | in which shr package qmake resides? |
| 09:01.52 | Gabrys | i've installed almost all qt4 packages, but qmake is not present :/ |
| 09:05.51 | brolin_empey | radekp: Thanks, let me try it. |
| 09:06.35 | radekp | i will try windows 7 now ;) |
| 09:06.57 | brolin_empey | radekp: Do you use QtMoko for your own FreeRunner (I mean as a daily phone, not just for testing.)? |
| 09:07.19 | brolin_empey | :( |
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| 09:17.40 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i guess he rebooted to test win7 ;) |
| 09:18.34 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Yes, I figured. ;) |
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| 09:30.05 | radekp | brolin_empey: hmm no luck on windows 7 |
| 09:30.34 | radekp | brolin_empey: it does not want to take rndis.inf - i have no idea why, i used to work on XP |
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| 09:31.35 | brolin_empey | radekp: Did you try Neo1973.inf from the Openmoko wiki? |
| 09:31.44 | radekp | yes |
| 09:32.08 | radekp | brolin_empey: i saw a few inf files on internet - but they are for win7 64bit - i have just 32bit |
| 09:32.34 | brolin_empey | radekp: Is your Windows 7 (US) English? |
| 09:32.43 | radekp | yes |
| 09:33.15 | radekp | although it was talking to me sometimes in some arabic or hebrew language ;-) |
| 09:33.44 | brolin_empey | OK, so same as me. I thought maybe you had a localised version because you are in Europe. I have Win7 Pro 32-bit. |
| 09:34.00 | PaulFertser | radekp: i think windows has some log file where it outputs details about inf installation, you might get some hints there |
| 09:35.07 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: can you try this: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itprohardware/thread/8586f612-d96e-4fde-8533-8aa1ffdaa8ce |
| 09:35.35 | brolin_empey | radekp: Do you use QtMoko for your own FreeRunner (I mean as a daily phone, not just for testing.)? |
| 09:35.37 | PaulFertser | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/microsoft/device-center-download.mspx |
| 09:36.31 | radekp | brolin_empey: daily phone |
| 09:38.12 | brolin_empey | radekp: Good, so you /do/ eat your own dog food! ;) |
| 09:38.12 | PaulFertser | It looks like ms decided to rip out the generic rndis driver. Well, who cares, those fuckers are insane :/ |
| 09:39.27 | brolin_empey | radekp: Coincidentally, I use my FreeRunner with Fido in Canada. :) |
| 09:39.30 | PaulFertser | radekp: (wifi patch from the ticket) i'm a bit reluctant to push it to the repo because the issue is not investigated thouroughly, i hope someone will come with a more convincing solution. |
| 09:39.46 | radekp | PaulFertser: i was happy when i could press the "Power off" windows button :-) |
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| 09:40.16 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: can you try installing that update to see if rndis driver appears? |
| 09:40.36 | brolin_empey | Coincidentally, Fido in Canada = FIC = First International Computer. ;) |
| 09:40.43 | radekp | PaulFertser: yup, i am now applying it manually before compiling kernel - IMO it belongs to the "dirty hacks" category |
| 09:42.17 | PaulFertser | radekp: well, probably it doesn't, as an idea that device needs some time to initialise right after powering on is sensible. Probably i should really make it an option so lindi can make some extensive testing with various values, after that we can assume it works. |
| 09:43.24 | radekp | PaulFertser: but the delay can be depended on actual kernel config and other factors |
| 09:43.42 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: RNDIS already worked for me with Win7 + QtMoko v14, but not with QtMoko v18. |
| 09:43.56 | radekp | PaulFertser: e.g. on 2.6.32 it has been 100% working with 10ms for me |
| 09:45.36 | PaulFertser | radekp: then probably we should put it to workqueue (to not slow down resume of other parts) and use a bigger delay. |
| 09:46.25 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: "not working" is too vague. radekp said he had problems installing .inf and described it in enough detail for me to find out Win7 lacks generic RNDIS driver in default installation. |
| 09:46.31 | brolin_empey | radekp: I flashed uImage-v18.1.bin, but the WLAN behaviour did not appear to change. :( |
| 09:46.51 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: have you read my mail about "reliable wifi"? |
| 09:47.09 | radekp | PaulFertser: yes the idea with workqueue and bigger delay sounds good |
| 09:48.11 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: On the community mailing list? Yes, weeks ago, but I forgot what it said. |
| 09:48.57 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: it said use wpa_supplicant directly and report the results |
| 09:49.11 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: Then how did RNDIS work for me with Win7 + whichever .inf file I used + QtMoko v14? |
| 09:49.43 | radekp | brolin_empey: i think the USB networking in win7 could be because i dont have CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST compiled for v18 |
| 09:49.50 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: probably you did some reinstall/reconfiguration or something, and i've no idea how it doesn't work now... |
| 09:51.39 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: wpa_supplicant appears to work for me, but "# udhcpc eth0" never gets a DHCP lease. |
| 09:52.36 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: have you tried the maxperf trick? |
| 09:53.03 | brolin_empey | Fox_Muldr: My e-mail address was fmulder@hotmail.com in 1999, when I was 12. :) |
| 09:54.06 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: No, I do not think so. |
| 09:55.34 | PaulFertser | Also i'd expect more oddities with wifi on "nodebug" kernel because the driver is extremely racy :/ |
| 09:57.32 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: racy = has many race conditions? |
| 09:57.34 | PaulFertser | radekp: yeah, looks like this option is needed to work with windows in general, not just win7. |
| 09:58.07 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: yes, i think the driver was written by a person that has only approximate understanding of race conditions and methods to prevent them. |
| 09:58.14 | PaulFertser | To put it mildly |
| 09:59.15 | brolin_empey | really needs to go to bed because it is almost 03:00 and I have to be at my place of employment by 09:30. (fail) |
| 09:59.16 | radekp | brolin_empey: i have enabled USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/uImage-v18.2.bin |
| 09:59.22 | radekp | brolin_empey: if you want to try |
| 09:59.36 | radekp | has to go to lunch now :) |
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| 10:04.04 | brolin_empey | radekp: OK, thanks. I will test it after I sleep. |
| 10:05.24 | brolin_empey | radekp: Can you make a release checklist for QtMoko to prevent mistakes such as missing kernel config options? |
| 10:10.20 | brolin_empey | [brolin@brolin-V13] [0] [2] ~/ |
| 10:10.21 | brolin_empey | $ dfu-util -a kernel -R -D c:/Users/brolin/Downloads/uImage-v18.2.bin |
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| 10:35.31 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: btw, i usually sleep after work, so i can stay awake in the late evening, i do not think it's exactly fail. |
| 10:39.24 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: The fail is my lack of self-control. If I indefinitely continue deferring my bedtime, I end up staying up all night and getting no sleep, which I know from far too much experience does not work well for me. |
| 10:40.33 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: i doubt getting no sleep works well for anybody :) So yes, better go to sleep right after testing this new kernel. |
| 10:40.36 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 10:46.18 | brolin_empey | PaulFertser: that thread is from "Monday, January 12, 2009", which is before Win7 final was released. Maybe Microsoft removed the generic RNDIS driver during Win7's development, then added it again before the final release? |
| 10:46.51 | PaulFertser | brolin_empey: no idea, and in fact i do not care much... |
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| 10:59.06 | brolin_empey | Bedtime for Brolinâ¢! |
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| 18:10.03 | badcloud | does latest shr-t always take two boots until gsm registers? |
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| 18:11.55 | tomcatek | mine registers every time |
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| 18:16.05 | brolin_empey | radekp: I flashed uImage-v18.2.bin, but my RNDIS still does not work: there is nothing about USB networking in dmesg on QtMoko. Win7 says "USB device not recognized: A USB device attached to this computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." and does not create the Neo Connection. :( |
| 18:16.34 | badcloud | also, I'm having a bitch of a time trying to input text into a new contact |
| 18:16.43 | badcloud | and http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1020 is not helping |
| 18:17.36 | brolin_empey | radekp: I checked my FR's USB socket too: it is still OK, so it is not a hardware problem like last time. ;) |
| 18:18.56 | radekp | brolin_empey: can be something with 2.6.32 kernel, could you try it with qtmoko v19? |
| 18:19.11 | radekp | brolin_empey: it uses 2.6.29 kernel (same as in v14) |
| 18:19.27 | badcloud | anyone know what I'm missing here? |
| 18:19.43 | Gabrys | anyone tried 2.6.32 on openmoko any distribution BTW? |
| 18:20.14 | Gabrys | it would be interesting to see if BFS scheduler works much better on it :-) |
| 18:21.21 | badcloud | nm, I'll come back later |
| 18:21.47 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: Yes, me: QtMoko v18 uses 2.6.32. ;) |
| 18:22.10 | Gabrys | and v19 falls back to .29? ;-) |
| 18:22.28 | Gabrys | brolin_empey: how it qtmoko, I was going to try it |
| 18:22.35 | Gabrys | I mean is it usable? |
| 18:23.23 | brolin_empey | radekp: Does QtMoko v19 have the same incoming SMS workaround as v18? That was one of my most important reasons for upgrading QtMoko. |
| 18:24.07 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: v19 was released before v18. ;) |
| 18:24.54 | Gabrys | brolin_empey: aaah, how I could have not though about it |
| 18:24.59 | Gabrys | :D |
| 18:26.01 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: Yes, it is definitely usable: it is the best distro I have tried. I do not know why SHR is still more popular than QtMoko. :( |
| 18:26.31 | Gabrys | maybe it's just looking better, lol |
| 18:26.48 | Gabrys | brolin_empey: what about graphical choosing wifi networks and entering WPA keys? |
| 18:26.51 | Gabrys | in qtmoko? |
| 18:28.03 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: Actually, the WLAN almost never works for me in QtMoko. I forgot about that "issue". (fail) |
| 18:28.27 | Gabrys | brolin_empey: even with hand-editing wpa_supplicant.conf? |
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| 18:29.41 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: wpa_supplicant appears to work when I run it on QtMoko v18, but udhcpc never gets a DHCP lease. |
| 18:29.53 | Gabrys | argh :( |
| 18:30.20 | Gabrys | I'm going to try qtmoko anyway ;-) |
| 18:30.42 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: Maybe the WLAN actually works on QtMoko v19, though. |
| 18:30.55 | Gabrys | I wonder I could compile Arora for it |
| 18:31.09 | Gabrys | it's QtWebkit based |
| 18:31.25 | Gabrys | and I wonder if it gets better performance on Qt rather than on X11 |
| 18:32.01 | brolin_empey | Gabrys: QtMoko v18 includes Arora in the base installation. I forgot if v19 includes it, but if not, you can add it without building it yourself. |
| 18:32.08 | Gabrys | I mean, in QtMoko, Qt writes directly to framebuffor |
| 18:32.24 | Gabrys | ha, but I want to compile MY arora ;-) |
| 18:32.36 | Gabrys | I mean, I have a little mod of Arora ;-) |
| 18:32.52 | Gabrys | I'm compiling it on hackable:1 now |
| 18:34.18 | brolin_empey | (peeks and) pokes radekp. |
| 18:35.00 | brolin_empey | ***radekp segfaults. ;) |
| 18:35.56 | brolin_empey | Now that I think about it, I cannot remember seeing a segfault on my FR! |
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| 19:09.43 | brolin_empey | Wow, I seem to have somehow really killed the conversation! ;) |
| 19:11.15 | brolin_empey | will download QtMoko v19 while he waits for radekp to reply. |
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| 19:22.16 | TomaszD | qtmoko v18 works great here, even with WPA2, all configured via GUI |
| 19:24.58 | Gabrys | TomaszD: nice |
| 19:25.28 | TomaszD | it's the only usable distribution I've found |
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| 19:27.21 | brolin_empey | wonders if he can flash uImage-v19.bin and extract /lib/modules/ from the QtMoko v19 tarball to his QtMoko v18 installation instead of having to reflash QtMoko v19 to NAND. |
| 19:27.24 | radekp | brolin_empey: sorry was away |
| 19:28.00 | radekp | brolin_empey: v18 will not work with v19 kernel |
| 19:28.24 | brolin_empey | radekp: You were away? Really? I never would have guessed! ;) |
| 19:30.58 | brolin_empey | radekp: Have you compared the kernel configs for v14 (or v19?) and v18 to see if something else is missing for RNDIS support in v18? |
| 19:31.29 | radekp | brolin_empey: v14 and v19-debug should be the same |
| 19:31.57 | radekp | brolin_empey: v18 was probably made from sratch - i took it from larsc |
| 19:33.05 | radekp | brolin_empey: v18 supports just basic hardware - we should go through packaging config in andy-tracking and enable back all the modules |
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| 19:35.01 | brolin_empey | radekp: Does QtMoko v19 have the same incoming SMS workaround as v18? That was one of my most important reasons for upgrading QtMoko. |
| 19:35.22 | radekp | brolin_empey: yes |
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| 19:40.45 | brolin_empey | radekp: Is QtMoko supposed to be able to set the clock from GSM? That has not worked for me for months, so I have to manually set it in the QtEI GUI or use ntpdate-debian. |
| 19:41.56 | radekp | brolin_empey: i tried it too, but IIRC it didnt work, but you can set time using NeronGPS |
| 19:42.24 | brolin_empey | radekp: It is annoying, though, because the FR's RTC is reset every time I remove the battery, which is required to access the SIM + microSD cards. |
| 19:43.32 | radekp | brolin_empey: yup aggree |
| 19:45.16 | brolin_empey | radekp: it is also impossible to change the QtEI input method from Phone Keys (I think?) in the date selector, so I have to e.g., open a contact, then choose Text to change the input method to Docked Keyboard before I can enter the year in the date selector to set the date. (fail) |
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| 19:46.25 | radekp | brolin_empey: sure, but i have like 5 hours/week for QtMoko - it's impossible to do it all in this time :( |
| 19:46.57 | brolin_empey | radekp: Is there any chance you can make QtEI's input method persistent so I do not have to change it to Docked Keyboard every time I boot or restart QtEI? |
| 19:47.41 | radekp | brolin_empey: these are good idea, but my time is too limited :( You can put them in bug tracker |
| 19:47.59 | radekp | brolin_empey: when i have time i can implement it or someone else can :) |
| 19:48.11 | brolin_empey | radekp: Have you seen how many QtMoko bugs I have reported? :P |
| 19:48.57 | brolin_empey | radekp: I already reported that bug. :) |
| 19:48.57 | radekp | yup, i know, great work |
| 19:49.26 | radekp | i hate Qtmoko input methods myself, but dont have time to fix it... |
| 19:50.26 | brolin_empey | radekp: Do you have a (paid) job too? I am guessing it is something computer related. |
| 19:50.59 | radekp | yup |
| 19:51.50 | radekp | i used to had quite a lot of spare time at job, but now it's awful |
| 19:52.03 | brolin_empey | radekp: What is your job? I guess I could try Googling your name, but it is easier to ask you here. ;) |
| 19:53.22 | radekp | we have new people - and i have to check and help them with their work, we have old people - they are getting demented and cant remeber anything - i have to help them, and i have boss which is now totaly crazy - unable to estimate any task - he gives you two days for something that takes 10 |
| 19:54.23 | radekp | is doing software for ticket issueing on czech railways and selling food on czech airlines |
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| 19:56.44 | brolin_empey | has never been to Europe, but apparently I look Czech to at least one person. |
| 19:59.22 | Martix | brolin_empey: now two :-) |
| 19:59.52 | brolin_empey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/sets/72157623558304899/ |
| 20:00.54 | Martix | btw. http://www.openmobility.cz conference will be on 24 April :-) |
| 20:01.49 | radekp | has to prepare his papers :) |
| 20:02.23 | brolin_empey | Martix: Did you Google me to find photos of me? :) |
| 20:02.54 | Martix | brolin_empey: no, why you asking? |
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| 20:04.32 | brolin_empey | hates crappy TN LCD panels. :( |
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| 20:06.08 | brolin_empey | Martix: Then how do you know I look Czech? I assume you found photos of me. |
| 20:07.01 | Martix | brolin_empey: no, I misunderstand |
| 20:07.59 | Martix | I thought, you was talking about radekp :-) |
| 20:11.21 | brolin_empey | Martix: Here is me 9 days ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/4459494306/sizes/l/ |
| 20:18.57 | brolin_empey | Martix: Do I look Czech? :) |
| 20:20.49 | Martix | maybe |
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| 20:26.16 | brolin_empey | Fossi: I guess you are not the FOSI of Windows warez fame (or notoriety)? ;) |
| 20:26.51 | Fossi | nope |
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| 22:25.48 | badcloud | is there a guide for giving the fr a factory reset (or something similar) using the debug board? I just got the board in the mail and have *no* idea how to use it |
| 22:27.07 | badcloud | or otherwise, could someone take a gander at my last dmesg output? |
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