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| 04:10.13 | slaxxer | about time for someone to clean up the apps at opkg.org so they all work with shr |
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| 04:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | about time to get another nap, or a cup of coffee |
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| 05:00.22 | Infoport | hello world! anybody using Android Cupcake on their FR? |
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| 05:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | I bet there are |
| 05:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | a few |
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| 05:09.19 | Infoport | I have been with SHR, but curious about using Android as a regular-use phone |
| 05:10.31 | Infoport | still uding uBoot though-- is the switch to Qi difficult? I read that it was hard to flash back to uBoot |
| 05:15.42 | Infoport | I'm mostly wondering how the Android-to-SHR switch would be when I want o try newer SHR (inc. imported SIM contacts, etc) |
| 05:16.21 | Infoport | or are many people using SHR with Qi? |
| 05:21.30 | Infoport | *sigh* I guess I don't need anecdotes, might as well jump in and try in... |
| 05:22.33 | rozzin | I use SHR with Qi, if that helps. |
| 05:24.56 | slaxxer | mee too |
| 05:25.29 | rozzin | Works great. |
| 05:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | probably a lot of FR users do (though I regularly fail to understand the rationale behind that. As in "even android should boot from proven-good uBoot, if only configure correctly) |
| 05:25.40 | rozzin | Better than uBoot :) |
| 05:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | rozzin: uhuh? WHAT's better exactly? |
| 05:26.39 | slaxxer | but android installs a unique qi so when u switch back to shr afterwards u prolly need to reinstall qi |
| 05:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | the 4 sec boot speedup? or the missing bootmenu and flashing support? |
| 05:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | WTF??!!!?? even a *proprietary* Qi? |
| 05:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart android |
| 05:28.03 | apt | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that android is stuck to the floor |
| 05:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | or more like |
| 05:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart android devels |
| 05:29.01 | apt | does a little 'renice 20 -u android devels' |
| 05:29.59 | rozzin | It's less fiddly to load images and set kernel arguments with Qi than with uBoot. |
| 05:30.50 | rozzin | slaxxer: Yow. Hadn't heard that. Can't say I'm surprised by it, though :\ |
| 05:32.03 | Infoport | yeah, I liked being able to install multiple OS on diff partitions. Also makes it easier to share data between trial OSes |
| 05:33.03 | slaxxer | android does have a usable web browser |
| 05:33.30 | slaxxer | that can zoom easier tham midori |
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| 05:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | see, Qi is a genuine invention of OM employee Andy and Werner, for GTA03. Now instead of adapting android to use that versiom, or - even better - use the original uBoot, android decides to grab Qi and tweak it for their own "needs" (whatever they might have thought those are) |
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| 05:35.26 | rozzin | perverts. |
| 05:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | this completely meets the way they acted from very beginning of android |
| 05:36.05 | Infoport | hmm, so SHR *will* require a new bootloader to switch back then? how inconsiderate |
| 05:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | hijacking code from linux, pervert it, give a shit on compatibility and don't give back a single bit to community at large |
| 05:38.12 | rozzin | DocScrutinizer: I guess you're not buying into the whole `but Google's Not Evil' thing, hunh? |
| 05:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | U bet |
| 05:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | balmer, google, shuttleworth - top 3 of some of my negative lists |
| 05:40.13 | rozzin | What was that line..., `sometimes evil must be fought not by good, but by another kind of evil'? |
| 05:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | </quote j.w.bush> I guess |
| 05:41.18 | rozzin | heh. |
| 05:41.31 | rozzin | `Chronicles of Riddick', I think. |
| 05:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | dunno which one is worse |
| 05:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | prolly bush, the wino |
| 05:46.18 | Infoport | hmmm AT&T is supposed to have an Android phone in a few days, with physical keyboard and everything! If I didn't have to sign up for the data plan, maybe it could be my 2nd phone (while reflashing, dead battery, etc) |
| 05:47.39 | Infoport | I haved TRIED to get one of those rubber roll-up kb's from the guy at Oxford Archaeology, but it was always "We're trying to figure out how to sell them" |
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| 06:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | ebay for the rescue |
| 06:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | s/for/to |
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| 16:03.45 | brian_ | i guess there's a reason that android is on the moko on the front page of the wiki maybe SHR needs to be there |
| 16:04.01 | brian_ | "Doc" |
| 16:08.04 | slaxxer | so android needs to change their tune to "we have a proprietary open source operating system" |
| 16:08.50 | slaxxer | an then be sued for not pushing things back upstream like there supposed to do |
| 16:09.28 | SpeedEvil | There is no requirement to push upstream |
| 16:09.34 | SpeedEvil | you just have to publish |
| 16:09.38 | SpeedEvil | (for gpl) |
| 16:10.12 | SpeedEvil | so if you make it nasty code that will never get merged - and has to be reimplemented - :) |
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| 18:28.09 | radekp | PaulFertser: hi, just for info: it seems that the motorola BT does not work at least not for A2DP. I tried Jabra 620s at work and this one was working fine |
| 18:28.42 | radekp | PaulFertser: it seems like the A2DP sound is going to motorola fine, but it's silent |
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| 20:58.46 | PaulFertser | radekp: is your motorola a stereo headset? |
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| 21:20.05 | janv | I've asked this before, but didn't solve it yet: i've a busybox-mountall and util-linux-ng-mountall data file clash: |
| 21:20.15 | janv | * check_data_file_clashes: Package busybox-mountall wants to install file /etc/default/mountall |
| 21:20.15 | janv | But that file is already provided by package * check_data_file_clashes: util-linux-ng-mountall |
| 21:20.25 | janv | Any suggestions? |
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| 21:22.14 | Elleo | janv: -force-overwrite ? |
| 21:22.57 | janv | don't I break anything then... |
| 21:23.36 | Elleo | you just force it to use busybox-mountall's version of that one config file instead of util-linux-ng-mountal's version |
| 21:23.53 | Elleo | chances are they're pretty much identical |
| 21:24.23 | janv | yes, but how do I now which one is the preferred one? |
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| 21:28.49 | Elleo | janv: make a copy of the current one (util-linux-ng-mountall's one), do the busybox-mountall install then diff them and see what's changed |
| 21:29.01 | Elleo | it may be there's no change at all |
| 21:30.14 | janv | i'll do that next time... forced the upgrade already.... |
| 21:31.28 | janv | another question: the shr logo on the shr-today screen looks not very sharp any more. has anyone else this issue as well? |
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| 21:33.35 | janv | yet another question: what is the highest value for the ring volume? I set mine currently to 1270... is this normal? |
| 22:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | 127 souns somewhat more normal |
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