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| 11:41.28 | Psi | anyone able to help me get navit working |
| 11:41.38 | Psi | its running and ive downloaded a navit bin map file |
| 11:42.03 | Psi | ive added a mapset into maps.xml but navit doesnt seem to see the maps |
| 11:42.05 | SpeedEvil | what's the problem? |
| 11:42.09 | Psi | comes up blank when it runs |
| 11:42.32 | Psi | it sees the gps fine, shows speed and direction, just no maps |
| 11:43.10 | Psi | basically followed this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit |
| 11:43.28 | JaMa | Psi: you edited /usr/share/navit/maps.xml right? and you have no ~/.navit/navit.xml |
| 11:43.48 | Psi | copeid navit.xml and maps.xml from /usr/share/navit/ into .navit in home folder |
| 11:44.13 | Psi | then edited .navit/maps.xml to add mapset lines |
| 11:44.23 | JaMa | Psi: did you update xi:include to point for your maps.xml? |
| 11:44.34 | Psi | how do i do that |
| 11:44.37 | JaMa | Psi: better to edit those files in /usr/share/navit directly |
| 11:44.41 | Psi | ok |
| 11:44.50 | JaMa | Psi: opkg upgrade won't overwrite it.. |
| 11:45.12 | JaMa | Psi: and even better will ask you for merge changes if shipped config changed |
| 11:45.31 | JaMa | Psi: also check <navit center= in navit.xml |
| 11:46.00 | JaMa | Psi: if it points somewhere, where you don't have map you can be confused |
| 11:47.05 | Psi | found navit centre |
| 11:47.07 | Psi | what do i do with it |
| 11:47.41 | JaMa | that's starting position so provide ie GPS coords for your home :) |
| 11:47.47 | Psi | ah |
| 11:49.03 | JaMa | IIRC default value is near Munchen Germany.. so ie if you download map only for new zeland.. than you will see blank screen (instead of germany) |
| 11:49.12 | Psi | yeah |
| 11:49.33 | Psi | changed it to center="3652 S 17445 E" |
| 11:49.50 | Psi | which should be Auckland nz, if im reading its format correctly |
| 11:50.10 | JaMa | and that second problem.. in navit.xml you can see <xi:include href="/usr/share/navit/maps.xml"/> |
| 11:50.33 | JaMa | so it will still include old maps.xml from /usr/share if you copy maps.xml and navit.xml to your .navit |
| 11:51.23 | Psi | yep |
| 11:51.43 | Psi | ive edited /usr/share/navit/maps.xml to point to my nz map file |
| 11:51.47 | Psi | so it should be happy |
| 11:51.55 | JaMa | yes |
| 11:52.14 | Psi | runs navit |
| 11:52.31 | Psi | whats navitD in the menu |
| 11:52.45 | JaMa | navit with Display resource requested |
| 11:52.59 | JaMa | won't blank.. better in car with power supply |
| 11:53.03 | Psi | ah |
| 11:53.17 | Psi | ok, well i have a map of auckland |
| 11:53.19 | Psi | :) |
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| 11:53.39 | Psi | im going to go outside to get a gps lock and play with it |
| 11:53.43 | JaMa | and without D is ie for walk/bike when you would rather tap screen to unblank and save a bit power for longer trip :) |
| 11:53.44 | Psi | thanks for your help |
| 11:53.50 | JaMa | yw |
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| 11:59.37 | Psi | returns |
| 11:59.42 | Psi | it appears to be working great |
| 12:00.10 | Psi | just have one question, when it started inside (didnt have gps lock) the map was normal colored, but when i went outside it went all dark |
| 12:00.25 | Psi | the main roads showed up bright, but the background color went black |
| 12:00.44 | tomcatek | Psi: it's night mode. |
| 12:00.47 | Psi | its night here, i was wondering if that was a feature, so the screen isnt too bright in the car |
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| 12:00.58 | Psi | ah |
| 12:01.23 | Psi | ok, well its all working good then |
| 12:01.24 | tomcatek | it gets time from GPS and adjust interface |
| 12:01.28 | Psi | yeah |
| 12:01.39 | Psi | will need to have a play on an actual trip in the car |
| 12:01.51 | tomcatek | Psi: You have monday there... bad for You ;) |
| 12:02.20 | Psi | not really bad, |
| 12:02.44 | tomcatek | how come monday can not be bad? |
| 12:03.00 | Psi | im working from home atm |
| 12:03.18 | Psi | i dont really have a weekend or weekday, just as long as i do the work |
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| 12:04.41 | tomcatek | well.. if You put it that way.. :] |
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| 12:41.23 | redarrow | hello, will there be a new Version of the Openmoko in future or is the FR A7 still the last one? |
| 12:42.45 | max_posedon | as I know nobody heard anything about smth `next` |
| 12:43.38 | redarrow | hello max_posedon =) |
| 12:43.43 | SpeedEvil | redarrow: openmoko - corporate - seems to have no interest. |
| 12:43.49 | SpeedEvil | redarrow: in new models that is. |
| 12:44.08 | SpeedEvil | redarrow: A new model would at best take a large slice of a million dollars to make. |
| 12:44.22 | redarrow | sure |
| 12:44.54 | SpeedEvil | The n900 has largely decapitated the market - you have to come in well under that pricepoint. |
| 12:45.08 | redarrow | and maybe the world will not buy it because of palm pré and Android (google OS) |
| 12:45.23 | SpeedEvil | Which is a huge problem - as to make a profit - your hardware has to be built for maybe half that. |
| 12:45.51 | SpeedEvil | And hitting a $100-$150 or so hardware cost for a phone in small volumes (1000) is _hard_ |
| 12:46.02 | SpeedEvil | even neglecting development costs. |
| 12:47.45 | redarrow | sure |
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| 12:54.32 | mickeyl | i'm afraid there's no immediate future for build-your-own-hardware projects; still we can make a difference with porting sane innovation- and contribution-friendly middleware to some of the anti-vendor-ports |
| 13:01.21 | JaMa | Psi: if you check menu->Display->Layout then switch from Car_Dark to Car if you like the previous theme more |
| 13:02.01 | redarrow | I'd like to ask if Bug 1024 is already solved (If I right remember this bug would increase battery life up to 167 hours) |
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| 13:02.44 | JaMa | redarrow: AFAIK you need hw fix for that |
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| 13:03.32 | JaMa | redarrow: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework |
| 13:03.39 | redarrow | JaMa: and that means? I have to send it to someone and say "Hay I'd like to increase my battery life time"? |
| 13:04.21 | JaMa | redarrow: yes |
| 13:06.07 | redarrow | JaMa: is GTA02A7+ different to GTA02A7 ? And how do I know which one I buy, e.g. at pulster? |
| 13:08.18 | mickeyl | AFAIK only Goldelico has gta02a7+ on sale |
| 13:08.57 | mickeyl | 02a7 has the buzz-fix, 02a7 has the buzz-fix + the #1024 fix |
| 13:10.01 | redarrow | but it's cheaper to buy the phone at pulster 230⬠and do the hw fix at golden delicious 45⬠= 275⬠in compare to 299⬠golden delicious |
| 13:10.21 | redarrow | ok, without shipment costs ;) |
| 13:10.52 | JaMa | redarrow: you get debug board for free |
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| 13:11.49 | redarrow | JaMa: ah, ok - this changes everything ;) |
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| 13:12.06 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:12.38 | JaMa | redarrow: well pulster has it for only 19E.. so not a big difference .. |
| 13:13.40 | redarrow | JaMa: sure, but I would have to pay shipment twice ... and than golden delicious might be cheaper |
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| 13:42.09 | tomcatek | how can I recalibrate touchscreen in SHR? |
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| 13:56.21 | JaMa | tomcatek: rm /etc/pointercal.xinput && xinput_calibrator_once.sh |
| 13:57.07 | JaMa | tomcatek: or better rm /etc/pointercal.xinput && reboot |
| 13:57.47 | tomcatek | JaMa: thanks |
| 13:58.27 | tomcatek | i found xinput-calibration |
| 13:58.32 | tomcatek | i found xinput-calibrator |
| 13:58.59 | JaMa | that's package name and should be installed by default |
| 13:59.26 | tomcatek | it is :) |
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| 14:24.27 | tomcatek | after calibration axis are still reversed |
| 14:26.08 | tomcatek | have anyone faced that issue? |
| 14:32.07 | JaMa | did you reboot? |
| 14:32.32 | tomcatek | yes |
| 14:33.01 | tomcatek | I'll try again |
| 14:36.47 | tomcatek | when I run xinput-calibrator it works well, but after reboot axis are switched again |
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| 15:43.21 | dvermd | tomcatek, I also get pbs with my touchscreen, the top part doesn't react |
| 15:44.38 | dvermd | tomcatek, I ran xinput-calibrator-once.sh and rebooted or restarted x without much success |
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| 17:07.21 | Snak3 | hello |
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| 17:11.18 | folken | greetings. I simply cannot get any of the images to work on my neo1973 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ |
| 17:11.31 | folken | pretty much all of them fail to mount the filesystem after booting the kernel |
| 17:11.56 | folken | i have made a u-boot upgrade, checked my mtd variables.. checked boot vars.. |
| 17:12.11 | folken | i nand erase clean rootfs before every flash |
| 17:13.06 | folken | however i get a VFS Cannot open root dev mtdblock4, please append correct root option. |
| 17:14.00 | folken | mtdparts=mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) |
| 17:14.25 | folken | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
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| 17:15.28 | folken | The kernel image i'm using is: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/uImage-om-gta01-latest.bin |
| 17:16.45 | PaulFert` | folken: you might want to try to boot from uSD |
| 17:18.17 | folken | PaulFert`: u mean untar the .tar.gz onto the uSD card and use that? |
| 17:18.42 | PaulFert` | folken: yes, after adding an appropriate menu item to u-boot. |
| 17:18.50 | PaulFert` | folken: that's easier to diagnose |
| 17:19.04 | PaulFert` | folken: and after the system booted you'll get a way to analise your nand problem. |
| 17:19.15 | folken | PaulFert`: thank you for the suggestion. I will try it. |
| 17:19.24 | PaulFert` | folken: hth |
| 17:23.37 | JaMa | folken: AFAIK all shr-lite images are too big for gta01 nand, are you sure it was flashed ok? |
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| 17:24.02 | folken | JaMa: i had problems with some of the images.. i then tried the smaller ones the fso |
| 17:24.57 | JaMa | folken: ah ok, are you aware those are only console images without Xorg? |
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| 17:26.44 | folken | JaMa: yes i am. it would have just been a proof of concept for me. :) |
| 17:27.06 | JaMa | and that's why I built those, so ok :) |
| 17:28.08 | folken | JaMa: oh btw. the http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta01/ is missing a Packages.gz |
| 17:28.58 | JaMa | folken: don't use testing :) |
| 17:29.05 | JaMa | folken: on om-gta01.. |
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| 17:29.25 | folken | JaMa: just had some old testing variant on it, before all the flashing, and tried to update it. |
| 17:29.36 | folken | JaMa: and then i saw that problem. |
| 17:30.08 | folken | there are plenty of packages in it. just no Packages.gz |
| 17:30.30 | JaMa | in new shr-testing wasn't even config for Xorg etc.. I've added some default configs for gta01 later but afaik it wasnt merged/built in gta-01 |
| 17:30.49 | JaMa | so only at least partialy working image for gta01 can be from shr-u |
| 17:32.04 | JaMa | newer shr-t which spaetz is testing has all patches from shr-u merged.. and should be able to finish image build for gta01 (and thus generate Packages.gz in om-gta01 too) |
| 17:33.02 | slaxxer | anybody tried this yet? http://neophysis.sourceforge.net/images/neophysis-testing/ |
| 17:34.08 | JaMa | sure somebody did.. I've read review in czech.. so you can see screenshots here.. |
| 17:34.20 | JaMa | http://openmoko.cz/index.php/blogs/read/20 |
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| 18:14.31 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:51.27 | folken | hmm ok this works booting from sd.. |
| 18:51.42 | folken | the touchscreen calibration is the wrong way round.. |
| 18:51.57 | folken | it calibrates ok.. but the cursor moves up when dragging down. |
| 18:52.08 | folken | enlightenment crashes.. |
| 18:52.42 | folken | hmm no sshd or telnet daemon to get into the device. |
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| 19:17.35 | folken | does SHR use shadow passwords? |
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| 19:21.28 | folken | yep it does. created /etc/shadow and am now able to log in |
| 19:21.47 | Rakhun | JaMa: do you know the freedom-status of the NeoPhysis distro? it looks pretty great but I don't understand the language on their website |
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| 19:23.42 | vanous123 | Rakhun: use google translate |
| 19:25.05 | pbaxter | Rakhun, it's italian |
| 19:25.16 | Rakhun | ok, thanks |
| 19:25.26 | pbaxter | Rakhun, next week i think it will be out with dialer well working! |
| 19:26.17 | vanous123 | pbaxter: are you doing the coding of NDE? |
| 19:26.33 | pbaxter | vanous123, i do not code |
| 19:26.44 | pbaxter | i'm reader in the moko italian forum |
| 19:26.59 | vanous123 | pbaxter: i see |
| 19:27.21 | pbaxter | vanous123, you? |
| 19:27.38 | vanous123 | pbaxter: not even a reader in that forum :) |
| 19:27.57 | pbaxter | vanous123, ;) |
| 19:28.06 | vanous123 | pbaxter: but i tried installing it and put some screenshots out |
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| 19:28.14 | sanvy | hi all |
| 19:28.28 | pbaxter | vanous123, and? |
| 19:29.24 | vanous123 | uff, the link with the translate is too long |
| 19:29.41 | vanous123 | anyhow, here is the blog post: http://www.openmoko.cz/index.php/blogs/read/20 |
| 19:29.53 | sanvy | :P i read that |
| 19:30.04 | sanvy | (translated) |
| 19:30.17 | sanvy | it seems good, especially for screenshots |
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| 19:31.05 | vanous123 | i was amazed by the presence and some functionalty of linphone |
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| 19:31.21 | pbaxter | vanous123, you can try next week i think! |
| 19:31.36 | vanous123 | pbaxter: yes? |
| 19:31.40 | sanvy | i also think so |
| 19:31.41 | sanvy | yes |
| 19:31.45 | pbaxter | vanous123, yes |
| 19:31.49 | pbaxter | 1 march |
| 19:32.33 | vanous123 | pbaxter: what is their experience with ofono? |
| 19:33.07 | pbaxter | vanous123, they are all more happy than with fso |
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| 19:33.35 | sanvy | lol |
| 19:33.43 | sanvy | me too... :P |
| 19:34.15 | vanous123 | pbaxter: i didn't get GSM registered... |
| 19:35.01 | pbaxter | vanous123, don't know |
| 19:35.04 | pbaxter | i tried it long time ago |
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| 19:35.14 | vanous123 | pbaxter: not sure either, had no time to play around... |
| 19:35.30 | pbaxter | vanous123, just try to reboot |
| 19:35.47 | pbaxter | for the first boot is critical (modules, and making all things well) |
| 19:35.49 | pbaxter | try reboot |
| 19:36.02 | vanous123 | pbaxter: well, tried 4 times, at least :)) |
| 19:37.46 | pbaxter | vanous123, don't know |
| 19:37.55 | pbaxter | vanous123, which version are you using? |
| 19:37.59 | pbaxter | shr one or the other? |
| 19:38.20 | vanous123 | pbaxter: 3 days ago latest |
| 19:38.27 | vanous123 | seemed like shr |
| 19:38.49 | pbaxter | vanous123, don't know |
| 19:38.56 | pbaxter | as i said i tried it a lot of time ago |
| 19:38.59 | vanous123 | pbaxter: no worries |
| 19:39.03 | pbaxter | vanous123, i don'0t know if they are ok |
| 19:39.09 | pbaxter | just write on forum.telefoninux.org |
| 19:39.22 | pbaxter | or send and email to me and i'll translate |
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| 19:40.06 | vanous123 | pbaxter: thank you. i think i will wait for a week, but then i will be traveling so this will have to wait, anyhow |
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| 20:39.23 | MathisR | has some one the nand files that are on the GTA02 by factory ? because i didn't do a back up an overwrote them -.-' |
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| 20:43.31 | ftn | hi there. I'm using an up-to-date shr teting. When I try to delete the last sms it disappears from the message list but when I restart the phone it is still there. I have try to do it over a dozen of times and it always return. Can you help me with this?, pelase |
| 20:48.56 | MathisR | has someone got a backup of the Freerunners NAND?? i wrote some false files on it but i forgot to do a back up. |
| 20:51.31 | PaulFertser | MathisR: what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:53.49 | MathisR | i need the u-boot_env splash u-boot files |
| 20:56.05 | pbaxter | hello PaulFertser, can i ask if you are using SHR as daily phone? |
| 21:00.02 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: i'm using debian with mad old shr apps |
| 21:00.18 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, is it working well? |
| 21:00.23 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: no :( |
| 21:00.35 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, have you tried las android? |
| 21:00.38 | pbaxter | last* |
| 21:00.42 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: no, not interseted |
| 21:00.50 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, why? |
| 21:00.58 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: android is not targeting free hackers |
| 21:00.59 | PaulFertser | :) |
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| 21:01.16 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, i know, but it's working well and there's a way to install debian onto android! |
| 21:03.20 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: i know but i do not care :) |
| 21:03.29 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, it's ok! |
| 21:03.43 | pbaxter | i never succeded in installing debian |
| 21:04.13 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: i did it the first time i tried, was fairly easy. |
| 21:04.15 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 21:04.25 | PaulFertser | Talk about perspective :) |
| 21:05.00 | pbaxter | PaulFertser, i cannot install it to SD? |
| 21:05.28 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: debian is supposed to be installed on sd. |
| 21:05.35 | PaulFertser | It doesn't fit nand without deep tweaks. |
| 21:05.56 | pbaxter | i cannot install to SD! |
| 21:05.56 | pbaxter | it blocks sometimes |
| 21:06.00 | pbaxter | every time i tried, it blocked |
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| 21:10.49 | tim_abell | i bought a bigger sd just so i could do it then never got round to it |
| 21:12.39 | MathisR | did some one do a backup of his freerunner as nothing was changed à |
| 21:17.12 | MathisR | because my freerunner always has a kernel panic after i loadet a new u-boot into nand |
| 21:18.21 | tim_abell | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a80e7e3fe1cd7e7146642962f91c5c60.png wtf? |
| 21:18.27 | tim_abell | why did i get that? |
| 21:18.29 | tim_abell | and who is roy? |
| 21:18.30 | tim_abell | ! |
| 21:18.40 | tim_abell | (shr-t) |
| 21:19.07 | tim_abell | no prizes for guessing where i live |
| 21:21.31 | tim_abell | shall i post to the lists |
| 21:21.54 | PaulFertser | everything sucks |
| 21:22.01 | tim_abell | oh dear |
| 21:22.05 | tim_abell | don't be sad |
| 21:22.17 | tim_abell | everything is great really :) |
| 21:22.27 | tim_abell | what's bothering you? |
| 21:23.05 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: can't find a spare meter of yellow UTP-5 cable i'm supposed to have around to make an artificial flower, and yes, i am insane. |
| 21:23.19 | tim_abell | er, oo-kaay |
| 21:23.30 | tim_abell | i'll email you some |
| 21:24.21 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: also my FR hangs every once in a while (lindy's reported this bug about GSTATUS4 register several times, but nobody has any idea how to debug that). And intel video drivers suck. And my bicycle suck and i suck and going to the store to buy proper spare parts for it. |
| 21:24.42 | tim_abell | yay, bicycles |
| 21:24.51 | mwester | Don't forget that winter sucks too. |
| 21:24.53 | tim_abell | even crappy bicycles are good |
| 21:24.57 | PaulFertser | And my work sucks and i'm not that great at it and my students performing suboptimally etc etc. |
| 21:25.00 | PaulFertser | Everything sucks |
| 21:25.13 | tim_abell | i thought that was what students were supposed to do? |
| 21:25.13 | PaulFertser | mwester: _my_ winter is great, i in fact enjoy snow and cold. |
| 21:25.56 | mwester | I don't. But I dislike the heat and humidity even more. :) So I tolerate the cold winter because I like the spring and autumn seasons up here, and most off the summer is nice too. :) |
| 21:25.57 | tim_abell | take heart in the blossoming of this project :) |
| 21:26.29 | mwester | tim_abell, blossoms can suck too, if one has allergies, I suppose. :) |
| 21:26.37 | PaulFertser | All good i did this weekend is summarised in my "wifi" email :-/ |
| 21:26.37 | tim_abell | i still want to know who roy is and what he's doing in my phone :-/ |
| 21:27.08 | mwester | Wasn't roy the dude that got his head eaten by a tiger in Las Vegas a couple of years ago? |
| 21:27.23 | tim_abell | i thought he was the guy of the IT crowd |
| 21:27.45 | tim_abell | i fear if i press the button i'll get him asking my in his irish accent if i've tried turning it off n on again |
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| 21:29.03 | tim_abell | is completely pointlessly trying to get voice working for navit |
| 21:34.22 | tim_abell | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/974 |
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| 21:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | notices PaulFertser is in a bad mood, and suggests taking a voluntary out time on "doing good things" |
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| 21:48.02 | tim_abell | fooey, navit is crashing in "internal" mode when i tap the map |
| 21:48.12 | tim_abell | sh: gdb: not found |
| 21:48.14 | tim_abell | helpful |
| 21:48.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: any alternative ideas? I seem to know either how to do nothing idling or trying to do "good things". |
| 21:48.40 | tim_abell | the internal gui is sooooooo much better but i've never had it work right |
| 21:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: idle actively :D |
| 21:49.31 | tim_abell | i find destructive diy theraputic |
| 21:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | do things you know will end in a failure |
| 21:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | or are meaningless by definition |
| 21:51.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i sometimes think my whole life perfectly fits this description |
| 21:51.35 | tim_abell | on the upside i've learnt about fsoraw which is very cool |
| 21:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | tim_abell: thanks :-) |
| 21:52.09 | mwester | prefers destruction, and puts aside failed hard drives for "special treatment" when he's in need of a mood boost. :) |
| 21:52.11 | tim_abell | and tango no longer lets the phone go to sleep |
| 21:52.17 | tim_abell | hurrah |
| 21:52.36 | tim_abell | oh it was you was it? good work DocScrutinizer |
| 21:53.05 | tim_abell | i never wanted a sat nav, but i can't resist using navit |
| 21:54.23 | PaulFertser | mwester: probably you can blow off the components from HDD pcb's and then they'll come handy when you need to solder some smd receptable or an ic. |
| 21:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | (blow off components) pizza oven :-P |
| 21:56.56 | mwester | notes the excellent suggestion for the next disk drive. |
| 21:58.58 | mwester | Actually, it all began when I had a drive containing important data (taxes) that failed. I decided I should destroy it physically before discarding it, and was rather disappointed in the results of a good beating with a hammer. So I have embarked upon a mission to find a hundred ways to destroy a disk drive. :) |
| 21:59.50 | SpeedEvil | thermite |
| 21:59.55 | mwester | oooooh! |
| 21:59.59 | tim_abell | speech-dispatcher, where for art thou? |
| 22:00.24 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech |
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| 22:01.53 | tim_abell | i'm stumped |
| 22:02.03 | tim_abell | the instructions say install speech dispatcher |
| 22:02.13 | tim_abell | but there's no sign of it in the shr-t feeds |
| 22:02.56 | tim_abell | not to mention there's lots of mails about the problems it causes with conflicts with other audio |
| 22:03.33 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: yes, they use some other program, not speech-dispatcher |
| 22:03.41 | tim_abell | hrm |
| 22:03.56 | tim_abell | i tried espeak |
| 22:04.11 | tim_abell | i got two instructions out of it then navit hung |
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| 22:05.16 | tim_abell | flite -t 'hello' |
| 22:05.16 | tim_abell | oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 22:05.22 | tim_abell | no dice with flite |
| 22:07.55 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: fyi you can use "aoss" wrapper for oss programs. |
| 22:08.11 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: or to modprobe kernel-level oss emulation |
| 22:08.19 | tim_abell | erm |
| 22:08.27 | tim_abell | /bin/sh: aoss: not found |
| 22:08.37 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: you lack package then |
| 22:09.01 | tim_abell | alsa-oss? |
| 22:09.02 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: in debian it's called alsa-oss |
| 22:11.18 | tim_abell | better... opkg install alsa-oss |
| 22:11.25 | tim_abell | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 22:11.25 | tim_abell | oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 22:11.59 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: change the script to provide a valid path. |
| 22:12.07 | PaulFertser | aoss is a script |
| 22:12.11 | tim_abell | er |
| 22:12.13 | tim_abell | okay |
| 22:12.33 | tim_abell | so it is |
| 22:12.55 | tim_abell | is a bitbake patch in order? |
| 22:13.09 | tim_abell | or somethingg |
| 22:13.15 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i guess if you report some actual information to the SHR folks, they'll fix it in OE. |
| 22:13.16 | tim_abell | to make it work for everyone |
| 22:13.25 | tim_abell | k, i'll start a bug |
| 22:14.30 | tim_abell | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/975 |
| 22:14.53 | tim_abell | not sure what else to add to that |
| 22:15.15 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i guess that's enough. Did it work for you after fixing? |
| 22:16.07 | tim_abell | haven't got that far... |
| 22:16.16 | tim_abell | looking for libaoss.so... |
| 22:18.02 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: list of files in the package should give a hint |
| 22:18.13 | PaulFertser | Or rather an answer |
| 22:18.32 | tim_abell | find /usr -name libaoss.so |
| 22:18.33 | tim_abell | nada |
| 22:18.37 | tim_abell | er |
| 22:21.05 | tim_abell | /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0 |
| 22:21.44 | tim_abell | from opkg files alsa-oss |
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| 22:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | find / -name "*aoss*" |
| 22:33.13 | tim_abell | yeah, i realised that after. duh |
| 22:33.21 | tim_abell | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/975#comment:1 |
| 22:33.28 | tim_abell | seems to remove error from output |
| 22:33.33 | tim_abell | adding the ".0" |
| 22:34.26 | tim_abell | hrmph my neo has gone all quiet on me nonw |
| 22:34.28 | tim_abell | now |
| 22:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | btw loading the oss-compatibility kernel module is deprecated. Always should use aoss wrapper |
| 22:34.47 | tim_abell | whoosh |
| 22:34.54 | tim_abell | straight over my head there :) |
| 22:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | the oss compatibility kernel module creates a real /dev/dsp device, which is bad as it causes all kinds of deadlocks when used concurrently by serveral progs, or concurrently with alsa-aware progs |
| 22:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | aoss wrapper creates a virtual /dev/dsp exclusively for the particular app |
| 22:38.33 | tim_abell | so did i do something bad? i'm confused |
| 22:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno. Just preaching about basics. |
| 22:39.26 | tim_abell | mkay, but that's programmer stuff rather than user stuff, right? |
| 22:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | if you see a /dev/dsp* file, you did something wrong |
| 22:40.26 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: you did good |
| 22:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | if you always start OSS audio apps via "aoss app" then you're safe |
| 22:41.10 | tim_abell | aoss flite -t "hello" |
| 22:41.15 | tim_abell | woot, it spoke to me |
| 22:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-))) |
| 22:42.07 | tim_abell | well, espeak is better at pronouncing "ponce" |
| 22:42.32 | tim_abell | flite says "pon-say" |
| 22:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | coded in Texas? :-P |
| 22:43.16 | tim_abell | heh |
| 22:43.42 | tim_abell | i only looked at flite because it's mentioned in navit.xml |
| 22:43.49 | tim_abell | i guess i can use espeak |
| 22:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | also: |
| 22:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep oss |
| 22:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | must NOT show snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:48.53 | tim_abell | nada at the moment |
| 22:48.55 | tim_abell | i'll bear that in mind |
| 22:48.56 | tim_abell | ta |
| 22:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: tim_abell: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/975#comment:1 - missing depmod or whatever it's called? |
| 22:55.18 | tim_abell | i'm not sure i know what that is |
| 22:55.22 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ldconfig |
| 22:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 22:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | libaoss.so should be a symlink to libaoss.so.0 |
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| 22:56.18 | tim_abell | will you add that to the bug report or do you want me to? |
| 22:56.26 | tim_abell | or do you want me to try stuff first? |
| 22:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer you do,maybe quote me |
| 22:56.38 | tim_abell | i'm fiddling with navit again now |
| 22:56.56 | tim_abell | okey dokey |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | of course try ldconfig first :-D |
| 22:56.59 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i'm not sure which symlinks exactly ldconfig is supposed to create and whether .so is among them. |
| 22:58.06 | tim_abell | oh i have soooooooooo much more to learn about linux :-/ |
| 22:58.18 | tim_abell | root@om-gta02 /media/card $ ldconfig |
| 22:58.18 | tim_abell | root@om-gta02 /media/card $ ls -l /usr/lib/libaoss.so.* |
| 22:58.18 | tim_abell | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb 21 22:09 /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0 -> libaoss.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:58.19 | tim_abell | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12504 Dec 7 18:27 /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:58.22 | tim_abell | didn't seem to do much |
| 22:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 22:59.31 | Psi | folken: yeah, did you figure out how to get paste the calibration problem? |
| 22:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not so familiar with that shit either. maybe PaulFertser will come up with a more educated analysis in a moment |
| 22:59.51 | folken | Psi: in fact i did. |
| 23:00.05 | Psi | good, i got the same thing too |
| 23:00.22 | Psi | can be a bit tricky to get past |
| 23:00.25 | tim_abell | comment added |
| 23:00.25 | folken | Psi: you have the problem that the axiss are roated right? |
| 23:00.38 | Psi | huh? |
| 23:01.12 | folken | Psi: when you go up the cursor goes down etc. |
| 23:01.35 | Psi | yeah, but you only get that during the first boot screen thing |
| 23:01.45 | Psi | once you get past that and reboot it seems to come right |
| 23:02.02 | folken | hmm didn't fix it for me.. |
| 23:02.10 | folken | i had to use xinput to set that right |
| 23:02.14 | Psi | although, i did try calibrating it wrongly a few times to try and correct it |
| 23:02.20 | folken | ah |
| 23:02.28 | folken | i changed the first 2 values of that string |
| 23:02.33 | folken | that fixed the issue. |
| 23:02.37 | Psi | i think the apporch that finally worked was to not calibrate it at all, wait for it to timeout when it first asks |
| 23:03.20 | folken | http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/evdev.4.html |
| 23:03.26 | tim_abell | anyone know how to fool navit that i'm driving somewhere? |
| 23:03.26 | folken | Option "Calibration" "min-x max-x min-y max-y" |
| 23:03.36 | Psi | ah |
| 23:03.40 | tim_abell | hard to test directions when stationary! |
| 23:04.05 | folken | and the xinput thing is like this: "Evdev Axis Calibration". |
| 23:04.25 | Psi | folken: you tried gps? |
| 23:04.28 | folken | tim_abell: there are several nema simulators |
| 23:04.40 | folken | Psi: no not yet.. tried to get gsm running.. but also very broken. |
| 23:04.48 | Psi | my gps never worked until i flashed the first shr image after xmas |
| 23:04.51 | Psi | now its great |
| 23:05.07 | Psi | hm.. gsm works fine for me |
| 23:05.20 | folken | i cannot power on from the settings |
| 23:05.29 | folken | Psi: what rootfs are you using? |
| 23:05.49 | tim_abell | folken, where do i find them? |
| 23:06.30 | folken | tim_abell: i'm sorry i don't know. I always use a glider simulator on another pc that puts out NEMA data on its serial port. |
| 23:06.39 | tim_abell | ok |
| 23:06.49 | folken | tim_abell: and then i reditrect it via ssh |
| 23:06.56 | folken | tim_abell: and start gpsd on that. |
| 23:07.29 | Psi | i downloaded the rootfs in the full-on-gta01.tar.gz format then gzip -d it, so i have no idea what version it was. but the md5sum of it is a5f31b352f0b050ef766b627e9a4002c |
| 23:07.34 | folken | tim_abell: does not navit not have a simulator mode? |
| 23:08.04 | tim_abell | googling... |
| 23:08.35 | tim_abell | http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg35615.html |
| 23:08.45 | tim_abell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.45 | tim_abell | Have a look at the demo vehicule in xml file. |
| 23:08.45 | tim_abell | Disable the gpsd vehicule, and enable this one |
| 23:08.48 | tim_abell | ... |
| 23:09.11 | Psi | the only issue im having with the image im using is that sometimes it will get itself stuck into always suspend mode. Which is bad when on charge because i dont think it actually charges while suspended |
| 23:09.46 | folken | Psi: hmm i found quite a lot of bugs.. |
| 23:09.50 | Psi | but if it gets stuck in that mode i just reboot and its fine again, hasnt done it in a week or so lately |
| 23:10.15 | folken | Psi: are you using it as your primary phone? |
| 23:10.15 | Psi | pretty sure the image im using is the first one that came out for gta01 since xmas |
| 23:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ld.so.conf messed up? /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0 of unknown type? maybe try ldconf -v ? |
| 23:10.28 | Psi | folken: yeah, but i dont make that many calls |
| 23:10.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm not sure .so symlink should be created at all, i guess the libraries should have major version specified always. |
| 23:10.51 | Psi | oh, the other bug is oddness when you get a sms while on a call |
| 23:10.55 | Psi | it seems to cut you off |
| 23:11.01 | folken | Psi: imo the best foss phone i had was an htc universal with tichy linux.. |
| 23:11.06 | Psi | only happened once, not too sure what happened |
| 23:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: not afaik |
| 23:11.32 | Psi | im pondering getting a n900, but ive heard they are having rebooting problems |
| 23:11.55 | dvermd | folken, Psi: Could you post your pointercal and pointercal.xinput files as I didn't manage to fix mine ? |
| 23:12.08 | folken | Psi: i wanted one.. but then i heard about the broken usb ports, the _weird_ keyboard layout. |
| 23:12.18 | folken | dvermd: yes can do |
| 23:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, no libaoss.so here on my PC as well :-S |
| 23:12.46 | folken | dvermd: xinput set-int-prop "Touchscreen" "Evdev Axis Calibration" 32 79 943 70 947 |
| 23:12.47 | Psi | i would expect the usb port problems are because people are bending the connector, its quite easy to do, even on the neo |
| 23:13.05 | Psi | keyboard layout is a bit odd, but id get use to it |
| 23:13.15 | tim_abell | thanks folken that was the prompt i needed |
| 23:13.25 | tim_abell | the demo vehicle works perfectly |
| 23:13.49 | folken | dvermd: http://pastebin.com/m17e11673 |
| 23:13.53 | folken | dvermd: that is my xorg.conf |
| 23:14.21 | folken | dvermd: this seems to work properly on bootup |
| 23:14.38 | dvermd | folken: thanks I'm trying that |
| 23:14.55 | folken | tim_abell: my navit setup is on a tablet pc so i wasn't sure wheter the other version included it. |
| 23:15.27 | folken | dvermd: in the xinput line i changed 943 79 to 79 943 |
| 23:16.34 | folken | Psi: the QWERTY is fine.. but the QWERTZ they wanted to sell me, has umlauts on the cursor keys as primary keys. |
| 23:17.05 | Psi | i dont have the swapaxis and inverty in my xorg.conf and its working fine |
| 23:17.07 | folken | Psi: additionaly i didn't like what i read about the battery life with data connection |
| 23:17.45 | folken | Psi: but the last nail in the coffin was that they now announced mego (or something like that) as the merger with mobilin.. |
| 23:17.49 | Psi | folken: i heard 1 if you use it really hard |
| 23:18.08 | Psi | but the neo only lasts 12 hours, so 1 day would be awesome to me :) |
| 23:18.36 | Psi | and thats 12 hour suspended, really only 5hours in real use |
| 23:18.44 | folken | Psi: uff.. |
| 23:18.51 | folken | Psi: i never got that far with the neo.. |
| 23:18.57 | tim_abell | 12h? |
| 23:19.03 | tim_abell | mine lasts all day |
| 23:19.08 | folken | Psi: i was frustrated that it would not wake up on incoming calls. |
| 23:19.37 | Psi | folken: thats odd, mine wakes up fine |
| 23:19.39 | tim_abell | oh, you are talking about other software |
| 23:19.42 | tim_abell | don't mind me |
| 23:20.02 | Psi | tim_abell: talking about gta01 |
| 23:20.14 | Psi | the powersavings is a bit broken |
| 23:20.17 | PaulFertser | folken: are you sure you do not have one of the prototypes with "one transistor too many"? |
| 23:20.53 | folken | PaulFertser: its a gta02v4 |
| 23:20.55 | folken | err gta01 |
| 23:21.13 | PaulFertser | folken: \xCF |
| 23:21.16 | PaulFertser | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many |
| 23:21.21 | folken | PaulFertser: that was long ago.. so things might have been fixed. |
| 23:21.29 | Psi | mine says GTA01BV4 on the box |
| 23:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: still - on same aoss file - no error on desktop :-o |
| 23:21.53 | PaulFertser | green pcb/red pcb |
| 23:21.53 | Psi | its had #1024 applied tho, but other than that its stock |
| 23:24.18 | tim_abell | gosh, way early adopter |
| 23:24.51 | PaulFertser | Good night folks, i'm off to sleep. |
| 23:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: |
| 23:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | + '[' -d /proc/asound ']' |
| 23:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | + prefix=/usr |
| 23:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: gnite |
| 23:28.38 | tim_abell | is this http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/838 still waiting to go into shr-t? |
| 23:28.48 | tim_abell | i'm getting navit:displayitem_draw:failed to load icon 'bar.xpm' |
| 23:28.52 | tim_abell | which looks similar |
| 23:29.21 | tim_abell | though i dodn't have a bar.xpm |
| 23:29.34 | tim_abell | don't |
| 23:29.49 | tim_abell | i don't know how to find out for myself |
| 23:30.57 | tim_abell | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/705 ah ha, interesting |
| 23:31.08 | dvermd | folken, did you enable a "mouse" arrow to determine that the x and y where reversed ? and how ? |
| 23:31.43 | folken | dvermd: yes i have an arrow, but it was broken to begin with on GTA01 |
| 23:32.18 | folken | dvermd: in /etc/X11/Xserver |
| 23:32.45 | dvermd | ok, I'm not sure I have the same problem as you, I have GTA02 |
| 23:33.05 | dvermd | folken, and don't know much of X |
| 23:33.06 | folken | dvermd: http://pastebin.com/m5da2ac6d |
| 23:33.15 | folken | dvermd: ah.. then its no problem |
| 23:33.38 | folken | dvermd: see line 21 of the above |
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| 23:33.52 | folken | dvermd: remove the -nocursor |
| 23:37.02 | dvermd | folken, ok, need to reboot fr as too many stop start of X seems to make it not launch shr |
| 23:38.09 | folken | dvermd: the xinput line i gave you was for a gta01 so that might be a problem. |
| 23:38.19 | folken | dvermd: but try it please. |
| 23:39.49 | dvermd | folken, I did try it with the change to xorg.conf but with no luck |
| 23:40.53 | dvermd | folken, I think my hkernel is buggy somewhat because I think I can see more traces while booting |
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| 23:43.38 | dvermd | folken, now I get http://pastebin.com/m67bcff6c |
| 23:48.01 | dvermd | folken, It may be related to a udev timeout, it prints a stack of unprocessed events of udevadm timeout (3 secs) Any hint ? |
| 23:52.05 | folken | dvermd: does it prevent anything from working? |
| 23:52.09 | tim_abell | i wish navit had an auto-centre on/off option |
| 23:52.12 | tim_abell | very annoying |
| 23:52.36 | folken | tim_abell: it has |
| 23:52.44 | tim_abell | in the gui? |
| 23:53.05 | dvermd | folken, yes, my partitions for examples are not automatically mounted as they were |
| 23:53.34 | folken | dvermd: hmm that sounds broken. Have you changed anyhting in u-boot? |
| 23:53.54 | dvermd | folken, not recently |
| 23:54.03 | folken | tim_abell: <vehicle name="Local GPS" profilename="car" enabled="yes" active="1" source="gpsd://localhost" follow="1" gpsd_query="w+xj"> |
| 23:54.11 | dvermd | And I ran fsck on that partition |
| 23:54.22 | tim_abell | i know about follow |
| 23:54.28 | folken | tim_abell: ah sorry. |
| 23:54.41 | tim_abell | that's ok, never any harm in being over helpful |
| 23:54.41 | folken | tim_abell: no other than that you can only select a home location |
| 23:55.19 | tim_abell | it's annoying when i'm trying to find my target address and the gps comes on then i can't pan away any more |
| 23:55.20 | tim_abell | :) |
| 23:56.11 | folken | dvermd: checked your /etc/fstab ? |
| 23:56.22 | folken | dvermd: (sorry stupid question) |
| 23:58.55 | dvermd | folken, I checcked my fstab, the /dev/mmcblk0pX are not there but my swap is so I think /dev/mmcblk0pX werre never there |
| 23:59.59 | folken | dvermd: if that is your rootfs then the root=/dev/XXX argument in the boot_args variable |
