| 00:00.03 | cosmos | rozzin: what is your distribution |
| 00:00.06 | cosmos | ? |
| 00:00.34 | rozzin | cosmos: on the FreeRunner, SHR. |
| 00:01.09 | rozzin | cosmos: Debian everywhere else. |
| 00:01.57 | cosmos | rozzin: so If you manage to convert .deb to .ipk, puredata is installable |
| 00:02.35 | cosmos | even pd-extended dependencies from debian-multimedia |
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| 00:04.10 | rozzin | Something like that; the binary dependencies will be different between any given version of Debian and SHR, |
| 00:04.48 | rozzin | but it's not a big deal with make a deb, or an ipk. |
| 00:06.38 | rozzin | Except... it's impossible to build a toolchain for the current SHR, which does make building things for it sort-of a pain. |
| 00:08.57 | rozzin | cosmos: Have you done much with pd? |
| 00:09.19 | cosmos | rozzin; yes a little bit |
| 00:10.03 | rozzin | idles for dinner. |
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| 00:52.02 | cosmos | radekp: purdata run well on matchbox-window-manager |
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| 01:17.38 | cosmos | radekp: ok puredata is a little bit slow under QX>matcbox-window-manager>matchbox-desktop>matchbox-panel, but that's ok, I've run the sinewave audio exaample and the sound is quite good! |
| 01:18.33 | cosmos | ok bye! |
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| 03:59.12 | nOStahl | hi guys |
| 03:59.18 | nOStahl | how's openmoko going |
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| 04:13.05 | slaxxer | why cant a toolchain be built for shr? |
| 04:13.28 | slaxxer | progress |
| 04:14.36 | nOStahl | how's gps nav on openmoko |
| 04:15.20 | slaxxer | i broke mine so i dont know here lately |
| 04:15.53 | slaxxer | certainly not as user friendly as others |
| 04:16.11 | nOStahl | im currently using an ipod touch as a skype phone as my sole phone |
| 04:16.20 | nOStahl | looking at the openmoko right now to see if it would replace what i use the ipod touch for |
| 04:16.55 | slaxxer | linux on the touch? |
| 04:17.19 | nOStahl | just stock/jailbreaked |
| 04:17.29 | nOStahl | i am a linux guy though |
| 04:17.44 | slaxxer | moko is a great start |
| 04:18.20 | nOStahl | i dont need the gps for relying on the navigation i have a regular gps |
| 04:18.26 | nOStahl | i'd like to use it for trace routing for geotaging my digital photo's and such |
| 04:18.33 | nOStahl | also would like to use skype and such |
| 04:18.44 | nOStahl | two main uses i have right there |
| 04:21.11 | SpeedEvil | For geotagging it works. |
| 04:21.19 | SpeedEvil | For skype - basically not. |
| 04:21.25 | SpeedEvil | GPRS. |
| 04:22.51 | nOStahl | no skype? |
| 04:22.55 | nOStahl | ugg |
| 04:33.35 | slaxxer | we need u to get that working |
| 04:35.03 | nOStahl | :) i'll go sneak in skype hq and steal the floppy disk with all the source code... or maybe tape drive :) |
| 04:37.56 | slaxxer | beardown |
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| 04:46.27 | slaxxer | so which Qi image is the one to use? |
| 04:47.14 | slaxxer | or are we back to uboot? |
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| 04:48.43 | ndnihil | installed OBP on his |
| 04:49.01 | slaxxer | whats obp |
| 04:49.17 | ndnihil | old sun bootloader |
| 04:49.19 | ndnihil | I was joking |
| 04:49.54 | slaxxer | :) |
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| 04:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | despite all the urban legends there's basically no massive advantages in Qi |
| 04:57.16 | nOStahl | how is the keyboard response on the freerunner |
| 04:57.40 | nOStahl | i like to type pretty fast on other touchscreen keyboards but i've found some are not responsive at all compared to others |
| 04:58.44 | slaxxer | moko is responcive but small |
| 04:58.48 | slaxxer | s |
| 04:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | well on FR you have coice of kbd to use. So I'd guess it depends on your personal preferences |
| 04:58.58 | slaxxer | literki |
| 05:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | literki in landscape should be large enough for fast typing |
| 05:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | GPS is actually great meanwhile |
| 05:00.52 | nOStahl | i write article's for my websites in free time on the ipod touch atm |
| 05:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | you'll hate FR |
| 05:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | it has no capacitive touchscreen like ipod |
| 05:01.36 | nOStahl | good to know |
| 05:02.00 | nOStahl | blah im probably going to need to get an unactivated iphone 3gs once they come down in price cause of the new 4g comming out |
| 05:05.50 | slaxxer | opkg upgrade on shr-testing ok? |
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| 05:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | nOStahl: you could use stylus and *write* (as in handwriting) much faster than you type, into a sketch program. You can't do that on ipod. But you'd need to either type it later from your writing, or find a handwriting OCR to do that for you |
| 05:07.34 | slaxxer | i had the jan 15 image on |
| 05:08.32 | nOStahl | i can type pretty fast with the touchscreen keyboards |
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| 05:12.31 | slaxxer | if u are a developer this project is great |
| 05:14.05 | nOStahl | no dev here just power user |
| 05:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | well, for GPS there's a number of really good apps |
| 05:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | for skype just forget about it |
| 05:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | for typing you simply have to try if you feel comfortable with a stylus and a quite small kbd, or with the rather special literki |
| 05:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | FR has a unique typo-correcting kbd that might work quite good with normal text |
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| 05:29.12 | slaxxer | does opendoom package work for anybody? |
| 05:29.28 | slaxxer | or duke nukem? |
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| 05:43.49 | nOStahl | i use to play duke nukem 3d back in the day |
| 05:52.03 | slaxxer | yea but on the openmoko |
| 05:52.22 | nOStahl | think i seen a video of it running on youtube |
| 05:52.34 | slaxxer | i have played it but lately it no work |
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| 05:55.13 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
| 05:55.36 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.22 | slaxxer | might be when shr stable is released next year maybe these apps will work |
| 06:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: usually the distro isn't to blame for an app not working |
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| 06:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | maybe the app wasn't (correctly) packaged/adapted for the distro. But then it's unlikely a new distro version will fix that |
| 06:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | usually the failing app simply has bugs |
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| 20:34.30 | nOStahl | hey guys, was wondering if you could pair up one of those folding bluetooth keyboards with openmoko for writing articles on the go |
| 20:37.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 20:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | yoe even can hook up arbitrary USB standard keyboards |
| 20:39.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | as FR is one of the *very* few devices out in the wild with full usb hostmode support |
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| 22:05.57 | rodion | hm, do you know about any other phones with usb host support? |
| 22:06.10 | rodion | i only know of the n810, which is not being sold any longer afaik. |
| 22:06.25 | rodion | and then there's some windows-based phones, but i'm not really interested in that. |
| 22:09.49 | max_posedon | n810 has only 100mA usb host |
| 22:10.14 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer51 said that only few devices have usb hostmode support |
| 22:10.15 | rodion | yeah. and the usb-otg-driver is severely broken. |
| 22:10.16 | PaulFertser | Yep, but one can supply more externally (requires a bit of kernel patching) |
| 22:10.45 | max_posedon | but he forget add that only "few" of that "few amount" have 500mA usb host. not just 100 |
| 22:11.37 | rodion | so which other are there that do usb-host mode (i don't care too much about 100 vs 500 mA) |
| 22:11.42 | rodion | ? |
| 22:12.25 | max_posedon | belive me, you really care (I think) |
| 22:12.46 | rodion | i don't think so. i can have a usb-hub that is externally powered. |
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| 22:41.54 | rodion | ok, next question :) do you know of any zigbee/802.15.4 enabled phones? |
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| 22:57.49 | Wonka | .oO( I want to believe in a useable OSS mobile phone... ) |
| 22:58.52 | [Rui] | Wonka: well, shr is useable, just not very reliable. plus, OpenMoko Neo Freerunner is the most free mobile phone so far, but it has hardware issues. |
| 22:59.05 | [Rui] | Wonka: that said, I use it as my main phone |
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| 23:11.56 | Rakhun | I use mine as main phone too, with Hackable1 |
| 23:12.34 | Rakhun | which seems reliable, as long as you don't poke around too much :) |
| 23:14.29 | [Rui] | Rakhun: most of the reliability issues are hw related |
| 23:15.42 | Rakhun | ok |
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