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| 11:44.26 | cosmos | hi guys |
| 11:45.01 | cosmos | I'm more familiar now with the FR and hacking on it |
| 11:45.22 | cosmos | But there are a lot of questions I have again about it |
| 11:45.45 | cosmos | Firest one, maybe naive: |
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| 11:51.06 | cosmos | Is it possible to keep a distribution on the nand flash then to install applications (with some --PREFIX=opt) on the uSD card? |
| 11:51.26 | mjr | yes, though how easy that is may depend on the distro and stuff |
| 11:52.23 | cosmos | for example I would like to keep Qtmoko, then to install xfce and other applications on the uSDcard, and then run those applications trough xfce |
| 11:52.26 | mjr | with ipkg (and opkg I presume), you could configure the uSD directory as a mount point and there was a tool to link from the rootfs to stuff installed there |
| 11:52.51 | mjr | no, not as a mount point, an installation directory |
| 11:53.13 | mjr | but I don't recall the details anymore |
| 11:54.42 | cosmos | I tried to install Debian on the uSD card (with ext2 boot partition) without success |
| 11:55.00 | cosmos | simply doesn't boot |
| 11:55.05 | cosmos | at all |
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| 11:56.24 | cosmos | SHR seems nice, but there are no .deb packages, so that's not very useful me, considering the applications I want to install on the R |
| 11:56.37 | cosmos | *FR |
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| 11:58.12 | cosmos | Qtmoko is fast and smoother than SHR, but how to use QX to run X applications? |
| 11:58.55 | cosmos | Do I have to install XFCE? I cannot use the touchscreen with that |
| 11:59.48 | cosmos | I presume I have to set a bash script, but where to find a good example of this script? |
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| 12:17.05 | cosmos | ok I get it: in /bin/terminal.sh,....with matchboxWM |
| 12:19.12 | cosmos | mjr: so do you think that is possible to set the uSDcard like an installation directory, using in the same time a distribution installed on the NAND flash? |
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| 12:21.09 | cosmos | this installation directory should be in ext2 I suppose? |
| 12:22.11 | cosmos | but if that's formatted in ext2, it cannot be mounted because FR detects only vfat at boot isn't it? |
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| 12:23.26 | mjr | it can be, and if it doesn't detect it that's just an fstab fix away |
| 12:28.47 | cosmos | another naive question: Is it possible to keep the rootfs in readonly mode, and then to create a clone of this rootfs on the uSDcard? |
| 12:29.50 | cosmos | this clone will be readable writable and executable? |
| 12:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | if / is ro, how to mount uSD then. Never tried but guess that won't work |
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| 12:44.49 | rodion | which of the distributions listed in the wiki support usb host mode? |
| 12:45.31 | rodion | hm, let me rephrase: does SHR support usb host mode? |
| 12:46.03 | Heinervdm | yes |
| 12:46.08 | rodion | Heinervdm: great, thanks. |
| 12:46.16 | Defiant | I'd say depends on the kernel, not distribution.. |
| 12:46.37 | rodion | Defiant: yeah, true. however, my blatant attempt to patch the openwrt-kernel didn't yield any success. |
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| 13:19.37 | jaacoppi | next problem: can |
| 13:19.40 | jaacoppi | .. |
| 13:19.46 | jaacoppi | next problem: can't enter NAND boot menu |
| 13:20.29 | jaacoppi | pressing and holding power and then AUX boots from flash, doesn't enter boot menu. Entering NOR boot menu works |
| 13:23.13 | jaacoppi | hm.. maybe it's because I got this FR used.. maybe it's QI installed in there, not u-boot. let's try.. |
| 13:23.23 | h4v | jaacoppi: do you use qi as bootloader? |
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| 13:30.11 | jaacoppi | no idea, it's a used FR |
| 13:30.31 | jaacoppi | apparently yes, since I just flashed u-boot and now it works |
| 13:30.43 | h4v | qi is better |
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| 13:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | says who? |
| 13:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | it's maybe 5 seconds faster on boot, but at the expense of not getting any feedback as console isn't initialized, ergo no bootmenu without initialized console, and no dfu-util flashing via Qi |
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| 14:24.03 | ndnihil | http://www.mini-box.com/mini2440v2 |
| 14:24.05 | ndnihil | neat |
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| 14:41.36 | jaacoppi | ttp://www.homebrewcpu.com/ this is neat |
| 14:42.27 | jaacoppi | http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ is |
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| 15:10.40 | cosmos | why do I have a HOME and a PREFIX, a root and a root<2> folder showed on my file manager? |
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| 15:13.46 | cosmos | [QtMoko] and why when I shutdown qtmoko that endlessly blink on a black screen? |
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| 15:28.23 | cosmos | bad..I had to get the battery out for resseting the system... |
| 15:30.01 | PaulFertser | cosmos: get used to it ;) |
| 15:30.21 | cosmos | Also: Why I cannot acces to the NAND menu? |
| 15:31.21 | cosmos | I've just flashed the las t uBoot |
| 15:32.03 | PaulFertser | cosmos: you should master u-boot environment editing skills |
| 15:32.54 | cosmos | you mean entering in a txt version of uBoot and editing all the stuff? |
| 15:36.27 | PaulFertser | cosmos: uhm, i'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 15:37.23 | cosmos | I saw that in this french tutorial: http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/Uboot-envedit#Et_si_.C3.A7.C3.A0_marche_plus_.3F.3F |
| 15:40.10 | PaulFertser | cosmos: i saw one official u-boot manual once |
| 15:53.10 | cosmos | ok, a "cat /proc/mtd" informs me that I have Qi on mtd1 |
| 15:53.55 | cosmos | so I don't understand why because I've just flashed the new version of uBoot |
| 15:54.03 | cosmos | any suggestions? |
| 15:54.43 | cosmos | uBoot was expected instead of Qi |
| 15:54.49 | PaulFertser | cosmos: probably you misflashed it then. Like flashed to the wrong partition or something. |
| 15:56.00 | cosmos | "flashed in the wrng parition"? where that? in NOR? I've thought NOR is wrie protected |
| 15:57.07 | PaulFertser | cosmos: NOR is. But kernel nand partition isn't. |
| 15:57.49 | cosmos | you're right |
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| 15:59.14 | cosmos | so I should mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/p1, to see if Qi is inside? |
| 16:00.02 | PaulFertser | cosmos: uSD has no relation whatsoever to mtd. |
| 16:01.05 | cosmos | ??? |
| 16:01.22 | cosmos | so where is my debian installation then? |
| 16:02.14 | cosmos | mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /mnt/p1 give me 2 uboots: |
| 16:02.47 | cosmos | no sorry that's uImage... |
| 16:04.49 | cosmos | oops...never do a cat /dev/mmcblk0... |
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| 16:21.17 | cosmos | ok Qi is on my /proc/partitions: |
| 16:21.19 | cosmos | http://pastebin.com/d3ab1cabc |
| 16:21.42 | cosmos | how to delete Qi and to properly install uBoot? |
| 16:22.52 | cosmos | and why mtdblock1 is duplicated in mtdblock2? |
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| 16:24.34 | cosmos | is it proper to [QtMoko} or also, you have the same configuration on /proc/partitions? |
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| 16:30.44 | cosmos | ...it'sro |
| 16:30.49 | cosmos | ro |
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| 16:58.12 | cosmos | ok I let down QtMoko for the moment andI install a nand shr |
| 16:58.53 | cosmos | ...will see if my uBoot issue is reproduced |
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| 17:42.33 | badcloud | anyone got a working link to the PHP .ipk package? |
| 17:43.45 | badcloud | or otherwise, some way to save mplayer's playback position (for resume option) other than this-->http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/MPlayer-Resume-Playback-16141.shtml ? |
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| 18:03.14 | badcloud | bah, I'll have to stick to '-ss' |
| 18:04.49 | slaxxer | looks like android is next |
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| 18:11.21 | cosmos | where to exract the modules in SHR? from root@gta02~$? |
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| 18:25.20 | cosmos | calls from and to SHR are noisy compared to QtMoko, also, the touchscreen sensibility is very bad, personally I find |
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| 18:25.55 | cosmos | Hwy that for one of the mose used distribution on freerunner? |
| 18:25.58 | badcloud | cosmos: true, but QtMoko is still buggier |
| 18:26.17 | cosmos | badcloud: even the v19? |
| 18:26.38 | badcloud | cosmos: wow, it's up that high? last I used was 15 |
| 18:27.34 | badcloud | cosmos: did they get wifi to be finger friendly? |
| 18:33.41 | cosmos | badcloud: wifi settings are rather good under finger, and in general the interface is smooth and fast, even with the debug kernel compared to SHR |
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| 18:39.23 | cosmos | radekp: could I use QX (matchboxWM) to run all the X applications on the armel.deb format on [QtMoko]? |
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| 19:01.30 | cosmos | who uses Qi? |
| 19:03.27 | Weiss | |
| 19:06.09 | cosmos | nobody use Qi? |
| 19:06.42 | Weiss | does |
| 19:07.09 | cosmos | Weiss:? |
| 19:07.28 | azaghal | I think most people switched to Qi |
| 19:08.18 | cosmos | ok |
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| 19:09.03 | cosmos | If I want to install Qi do I have to wget it from the FR or to install it from the PC? |
| 19:09.53 | cosmos | the "#" is not very clear on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
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| 19:10.40 | azaghal | Personally, I flashed it using the dfu-util |
| 19:10.59 | ndnihil | too |
| 19:11.12 | cosmos | ok so from the Pc then |
| 19:13.25 | cosmos | Have you to configure Qi before or after installing it? I mean regarding append-gta02? |
| 19:13.50 | cosmos | after on the FR? |
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| 19:14.29 | ndnihil | qi isn't configurable, it has a set boot order, and if it doesnt find a bootable partition in that order, it sits there doing nothing |
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| 19:39.51 | cosmos | Do I have to partition the uSDcard with # kernels (???) and the rootfs? |
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| 19:42.12 | PaulFertser | cosmos: if you want to use Qi you must read the wikipage about it. |
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| 19:43.07 | cosmos | that's exacctly what I'm doing |
| 19:43.31 | cosmos | But informations on this page: |
| 19:43.33 | cosmos | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 19:43.39 | cosmos | are not clear for me |
| 19:43.42 | cosmos | at all |
| 19:45.03 | Weiss | I just clarified the installation instructions a little based on your earlier comment |
| 19:47.17 | PaulFertser | cosmos: if the wikipage is not clear, you need to read it again until it is i'm afraid |
| 19:47.37 | PaulFertser | cosmos: because i can't see how it can be any clearer tbh |
| 19:47.58 | cosmos | What I understand is that whatever kernel I use, this kernel have to be renamed "uImage-GTA1.bin if it's the first kernel, uImage-GTA@.bin if I have a second kernel...? |
| 19:48.23 | cosmos | my question is simple: |
| 19:48.41 | cosmos | I want to install QTMoko on the uSDcard: |
| 19:48.53 | cosmos | How do I have to format the card |
| 19:49.09 | cosmos | What should be the partitions on the uSD |
| 19:49.11 | cosmos | ? |
| 19:50.08 | cosmos | On the wiki page I find that the card should be formattd in ext2 or ext3 |
| 19:50.09 | ndnihil | er, you only flash one kernel at a time |
| 19:50.17 | ndnihil | and it can be any of those names and still be recognized |
| 19:51.20 | PaulFertser | cosmos: are you sure you read with both eyes opened? :( |
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| 19:51.31 | cosmos | so I need to flash only one kernel ok? |
| 19:51.38 | cosmos | not 2 or 3 |
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| 19:52.02 | ndnihil | since you're booting from uSD, you don't need to flash the kernel at all, just make sure it's in /boot and has one of those names (mine is symlinked) |
| 19:53.05 | ndnihil | and I'd name it based on whatever device you have, GTA01/GTA02/etc... is a name based on the hardware version |
| 19:53.33 | ndnihil | the neo 1973 is GTA01, the FR is GTA02 |
| 19:53.37 | ndnihil | GTA03 is a pipe dream |
| 19:54.48 | cosmos | ndnihil: sure, I exactly stuck there |
| 19:55.06 | cosmos | at the "BootOrder" paragraph |
| 19:55.25 | ndnihil | what can possibly be confusing about that? |
| 19:55.34 | ndnihil | when it's looking for things to boot |
| 19:55.38 | ndnihil | that's the order it searches in |
| 19:56.41 | cosmos | why Qi needs more than one SD partition regarding a uImage 9wathever is its neo1973, the Freerunner, or th Xrun) |
| 19:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | hooray for Qi. So easy, so simple, such an extraordinary cute userinterface |
| 19:57.07 | ndnihil | it doesnt -need- more than one, but it supports more than one of you so choose to use more than one |
| 19:57.09 | cosmos | hi Doc! |
| 19:57.23 | ndnihil | all it needs is to find a bootable kernel in one of those places |
| 19:57.29 | ndnihil | with one of those names |
| 19:57.33 | ndnihil | then it will boot |
| 19:57.55 | cosmos | so I come back to the partitioning question: |
| 19:58.09 | cosmos | how to partition the uSD card? |
| 19:58.16 | ndnihil | is this your first linux? |
| 19:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | no, his second |
| 19:58.48 | ndnihil | doc: is that including NAND? |
| 19:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | first was with uBoot yesterday |
| 19:58.52 | cosmos | If I need only One kernel (ex: the QtMoko one, renamed in uImage-GTA02) |
| 19:58.53 | cosmos | ? |
| 19:59.01 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 19:59.16 | ndnihil | partition it however you like |
| 19:59.34 | ndnihil | though, to make things simple, I'd suggest one partition that uses the entire card |
| 20:00.02 | ndnihil | make sure somewhere on that partition resides /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 20:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | to make thing even simpler, I suggest you use exactly the 3 partitons I suggested to you some 24h ago |
| 20:00.47 | ndnihil | oh right, he'll probably need swap |
| 20:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:01.00 | ndnihil | do what doc says |
| 20:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | and he already has! |
| 20:01.03 | ndnihil | :) |
| 20:01.53 | ndnihil | http://www.mini-box.com/mini2440v2 |
| 20:01.58 | ndnihil | ponders ordering one or two of those |
| 20:02.31 | cosmos | DocScruntinizer: ok so the 1st one for the /boot (in ext2 because Qi don't look at vfat), the2nd one in ext2 because ext2 seems more reliable than ext3 regarding the wear uo the uSDcard, and 3rd one for the swap (swap linix) |
| 20:02.35 | cosmos | ok? |
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| 20:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | the first one in vfat, as Qi doesn't look on vfat (or if it does there'll be no kernel of right name) |
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| 20:04.58 | cosmos | DocScrutinizer: you mean the first one in ext2 because Qi doesn't look on vfat? |
| 20:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | the 2nd one in whatever you like ext2/3, as wear leveling is err, somebody said "wtf is the issue with reducing your uSD livetime from 100years to 10years?" |
| 20:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | no, I mean what I write |
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| 20:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | the second partition will have a /boot folder where your kernel lives inside, with a proper name of gta02-uImage.bin or whatever it may be |
| 20:06.26 | cosmos | ok I get it now |
| 20:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | just ignore the first 50MB partition |
| 20:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | you'll adore to have it once you need to use (NOR?)-uBoot for recovering from any Qi oopsie or whatever |
| 20:07.30 | cosmos | ok and the only use of the vfat is that the uSD card is detected from the NAND? |
| 20:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 20:08.01 | cosmos | the nor sorry |
| 20:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | the *first* vfat partition is for uBoot |
| 20:08.08 | cosmos | the nor boot |
| 20:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | dunno of any VFAT that qtopia or whatever is expecting to see on uSD |
| 20:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | btw anybody tested uBoot with 128Byte inode-size extfs yet? |
| 20:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess it can fetch the kernel from 128byte ext2/3 as well as from vfat |
| 20:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | thus eliminating he need of a dedicated kernel partition |
| 20:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | (though probably the uboot envs needed a kick then...) |
| 20:15.27 | SpeedEvil | why 128 byte special? |
| 20:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | it seems to me the early GTA01 worked like that (no small VFAT for kernel, mkfs.ext3 created 128byte inodes by default). Atsome point in time mkfs changed default behaviour, thus reveiling a bug in uBoot which stopped it from loading kernel from ext. So TPE sw engineers decided to have that VFAT botch for kernel |
| 20:16.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: uBoot has a bug. |
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| 20:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | google for "uboot inode 128" or somesuch. Fixed in mainline 2009-06/7 iirc. Not for *our* uboot thoug |
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| 20:24.02 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:24.10 | SpeedEvil | The perils of not being on mainstream I guess. |
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| 20:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, It seems nobody would deloy a fixed uBoot anyway |
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| 20:31.48 | cosmos | radekp: one can use any armel.deb X applications with QX on Qtmoko (assuming relevant bash script including MatchboxWM)? |
| 20:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's hard enough to convince users about uBoot not inferior to Qi. But explaining to them they need to fix their uboot envs to get any benefit from the fixed new uboot seems even much harder |
| 20:32.27 | radekp | cosmos: yes, it should be possible |
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| 20:44.50 | badcloud | hey there, radekp |
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| 20:46.58 | radekp | badcloud: hi :) |
| 20:47.42 | badcloud | I tried your version (?) of mplayer |
| 20:47.56 | badcloud | got ~30% cpu using alsa |
| 20:48.01 | badcloud | didn't work with oss |
| 20:48.20 | badcloud | but the upside is that the glamo one gave me ~9% using oss |
| 20:48.36 | badcloud | all tests with an mp3 file |
| 20:48.53 | badcloud | radekp: in case this might be useful to you :) |
| 20:49.42 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: how do you do that, btw (tweek uboot envs)? |
| 20:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot console |
| 20:50.56 | radekp | badcloud: IIRC i disabled oss in that build, because then there were problems with alsa |
| 20:52.05 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: is there a wiki on how to access this console? |
| 20:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:52.19 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: cool, thanks |
| 20:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | so you should find it |
| 20:52.30 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: will do |
| 20:52.49 | badcloud | I've had no complaints with qi so far |
| 20:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | incredibly clumsy, but it works |
| 20:52.58 | badcloud | I see |
| 20:53.04 | badcloud | well, on a rainy day... |
| 20:53.29 | badcloud | radekp: the glamo one seems to answer my needs at present :) |
| 20:55.11 | badcloud | what are the main advantages the new uboot has over qi? |
| 20:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: just doublecheck your "\" escapes when using uBoot console ;-) |
| 20:55.41 | badcloud | can feel the wriggling of worms out of the can he just opened |
| 20:56.02 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the tip |
| 20:57.09 | badcloud | hmmm, no worms... |
| 21:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: (advantages) it has a bootmenu |
| 21:02.33 | badcloud | well, so does nor |
| 21:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it failed to get your question |
| 21:03.48 | badcloud | it being...? |
| 21:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, now you completely lost me |
| 21:04.35 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: that makes the two of us |
| 21:04.47 | badcloud | :P |
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| 22:09.47 | cosmos | untaring Qtmoko-v19.tar on my mounted /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/card, I see that "uImage-GTA02" is already present in /media/card/boot |
| 22:10.11 | cosmos | sorry uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 22:10.53 | cosmos | so I don't have to replace it with the previously downloaded one, isn't it? |
| 22:10.58 | max_posedon | I suggest before untar-ing, remove all |
| 22:12.05 | cosmos | and for the uImage-GTA02, also? |
| 22:12.50 | cosmos | ok |
| 22:13.07 | cosmos | I remove all |
| 22:13.23 | cosmos | I download the Qtmoko tar file |
| 22:13.28 | cosmos | I untar |
| 22:14.06 | cosmos | ?boot will be present after untaring, and will contain uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 22:14.30 | cosmos | so I don't need to download the uImage-GTA02 secondly |
| 22:14.39 | cosmos | correct? |
| 22:15.12 | cosmos | max_posedon:correct? |
| 22:16.11 | max_posedon | yes |
| 22:16.21 | max_posedon | but you possibly need flash it to nand |
| 22:16.30 | max_posedon | if you boot kernel from nand |
| 22:16.38 | max_posedon | if you boot kernel from mmc - you don't |
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| 22:33.07 | cosmos | after that I umount /dev/mmcblkp02 /media/card, I flash Qi and... |
| 22:33.10 | cosmos | should run? |
| 22:34.53 | max_posedon | may be yes, and may be no) |
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| 22:54.26 | cosmos | max_posedon:doesn't work....still boot on NAND... |
| 22:55.01 | max_posedon | I don't use qi |
| 22:55.14 | cosmos | do I have to edit append-GTA02? |
| 22:55.17 | max_posedon | I don't know how its detect boot order |
| 22:55.20 | max_posedon | usually not |
| 22:56.10 | cosmos | :partition1(mmcblk0p1)=vfat empty |
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| 22:57.00 | cosmos | partition2(mmcblk0p2)ext3 Qtmoko tar contents |
| 22:57.08 | cosmos | partition3(swap) |
| 22:57.51 | cosmos | any debug suggestions? |
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| 23:14.19 | cosmos | :Fail of kernel pull: what means? the embedded uImage-GTA02.bin fron the QtMokov19.tar it isn't good? |
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| 23:16.09 | cosmos | Fail of initramfs pull:? |
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| 23:16.34 | cosmos | :Fail of mount partition:? |
| 23:16.42 | cosmos | How to debug that? |
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| 23:25.14 | cosmos | my head goes hot so I decide to listen some music on http://somafm.com/play/spacestation |
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| 23:41.11 | cosmos | If some day someone will write a really step by step tutorial with all the commands to type on terminal both on PC and on FR, for installing QtMoko with Qi on uSD card, for noobs like me, I would be really happy |
| 23:42.36 | cosmos | Three days now I spend all the time trying to install something on my uSD card, without results. |
| 23:43.05 | cosmos | Not really a waste of time, because I've learned a lot about linux environment |
| 23:43.52 | cosmos | Thank you for your help |
| 23:48.21 | max_posedon | cosmos, I think this someone should be you) |
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