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| 00:37.08 | cosmos | no idea how to send files to fr |
| 00:37.18 | cosmos | \trough usb |
| 00:38.05 | cosmos | why the fr cannot be detected like an external hd, or a usb key? |
| 00:38.42 | cosmos | I can browse the folders on the fr from pc but not to send files! |
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| 00:47.16 | max_posedon | cosmos, you can use ssh |
| 00:47.23 | max_posedon | samba, nfs, ftp |
| 00:48.10 | max_posedon | fr can be detected as external hd but its different option |
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| 00:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: enter sftp://root@192.168.0.202 to Konqueror (or other filemanager of your choice). |
| 00:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | mass storage mode is rather hard to implement for non-vfat filesystems, and still then we need to umount the partition we want to expose to USB for mass-storage |
| 00:54.55 | cosmos | ok could you give me a simple terminal command for install qtmoko-v19-tar.gz on my fresh formatted uSD card? |
| 00:55.19 | cosmos | I've tryied several ways but no success |
| 00:55.22 | SpeedEvil | unmount or mount ro |
| 00:56.06 | cosmos | umount what mount what |
| 00:56.19 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 00:56.30 | SpeedEvil | sorry - that wasn't to you |
| 00:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | insert card to PC cardreader, mount ext*-partiton. extract qtmoko-v19-tar.gz to that partition. I'd guess that's about all |
| 00:59.32 | cosmos | ok I get it with nautilus: |
| 00:59.55 | cosmos | nautilus sftp://root@192.168.0.202 on a root tewrminal |
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| 01:01.06 | cosmos | I've already extracted (on root mode) qtmoko-v19-tar.gz....on my home folder |
| 01:01.28 | cosmos | now I have to manually copy all the folders on the uSD |
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| 01:02.41 | cosmos | ...or to copy the .tar file on the fr and to extract it inside |
| 01:04.15 | Serdar | I am looking for a picture of this openmoko+beagleboard+angstroem |
| 01:04.27 | Serdar | I saw in the presentation of openmoko today. |
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| 01:14.17 | cosmos | cd /media/mmcblk0p3, and then, tar xzmof /media/mmcblk0p3/qtmoko-debian-v19..tar.gz (present in ~/media/mmcblk0p3), doesn't seems to work |
| 01:22.13 | cosmos | I've though formatting and preparing well my uSD card |
| 01:22.50 | cosmos | .... |
| 01:22.56 | cosmos | but not |
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| 01:26.40 | cosmos | I ve mess up the links between the fr and the uSD card |
| 01:27.00 | cosmos | Very bad tutorials I've found on the net |
| 01:27.07 | cosmos | ...pffff |
| 01:28.07 | cosmos | only the /boot parition (15.23MB) is detected on the FR |
| 01:28.28 | cosmos | not the mmcblk0p3 paertition |
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| 01:29.45 | cosmos | I follow the instructions there: |
| 01:29.46 | cosmos | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
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| 01:30.39 | cosmos | this tutorial says: |
| 01:31.16 | cosmos | "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card |
| 01:31.16 | cosmos | mkdir /media/card/boot |
| 01:31.16 | cosmos | mkdir /media/mmcblk0p2 |
| 01:31.16 | cosmos | mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmcblk0p2" |
| 01:31.40 | cosmos | but |
| 01:32.37 | cosmos | I confirm that only the boot partition on /media/card/boot is detected by the FR |
| 01:33.24 | cosmos | so what is the sense of that messy /media/mmcblk0pX folder? |
| 01:35.13 | cosmos | now I have to reflas entirely my FR because my last unsuccessfull untaring operation tooks all the space on the FR, and no way to locate these new files on. |
| 01:35.22 | cosmos | ... |
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| 01:36.13 | cosmos | If somebody could make a workable, simple and step by step tutorial for a noob like me that could be great |
| 01:38.57 | cosmos | more I read on forums and official documentaions about FR and usb connections, uSD card install,etc, and more i have the impression that no one is able to give a complete solution for a basic installation on both the FR and the uSD card |
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| 01:46.18 | cosmos | ok I can flash a distribution, for example qtmoko on the FR |
| 01:46.51 | cosmos | but installing on uSD is a mess for me |
| 01:48.23 | cosmos | and even if I can correctly, I suppose partition the uSD card, I don't find some reliable information to install someting on it |
| 01:50.13 | cosmos | ok |
| 01:50.29 | cosmos | I start again from 0 |
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| 02:52.12 | slaxxer | yea the docs need more explaining for mee to |
| 02:52.30 | slaxxer | but im just a lowly user |
| 03:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29 might help, as it creates a bootable uSD, so you could learn how things have to look like. Later you could change size of ext partition to meet actual size of your uSD, and untar and copy the files of your preferred distro to the same places those files of the updater image were located |
| 03:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | please notice all these recommendations usually assume you prepare the uSD in your desktop linux's card reader rather than on the Freerunner |
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| 03:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | nah, he has left anyway |
| 03:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | damn, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner probably should be deleted all together. It's really overly complicated, outdated, and obfuscated |
| 03:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | a poor choice for noobs to start with this one |
| 03:25.48 | slaxxer | ahh |
| 03:25.54 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah it is?? |
| 03:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | untar, loopback mount, tar again... I got so confused I think even I would mess it |
| 03:30.36 | slaxxer | yea im a noob |
| 03:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | freaking scary, that's it. Why couldn't noobs start to download SHR.tgz and simply untar this to the uSD |
| 03:31.12 | slaxxer | i tend to make things more complex than they are mostly |
| 03:32.12 | slaxxer | maybe the command line syntax is all they need but its taken for granted that all know how to do this |
| 03:33.35 | slaxxer | that guruplug looks like a great thing to have |
| 03:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | for this I don't need any cmdline at all. Konqueror / Ark opens .tgz just fine. then say "expand all" and when you're asked where to, give the ext3 2nd partion of your uSD inserted to the PC's cardreader as destination - or to be precisethe mountpoint your automounter used to mount this partion (usually sth like /media/card/<label of partion> ) |
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| 05:24.24 | naught101 | how can I get the SHR messaging app to recognise that numbers like +614032... are the same as numbers like 04032... (australian mobiles) |
| 05:24.50 | naught101 | every message I get just has the number, the messaging app doesn't recognise it from the contacts list |
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| 05:29.38 | rooly | SOOOoooo... |
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| 05:45.08 | naught101 | also, how are contacts stored, and what's the best way to manipulate them from the back-end? |
| 06:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | configure your countrycode and national prefix correctly. (here NP:0, CC:61) |
| 06:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | naught101: you probably want to set AreaCode:40 and InternationalPrefix:00 (?), hile you're at it |
| 06:05.05 | naught101 | DocScrutinizer: hrm... area code fo mobiles might be just 4? |
| 06:05.13 | naught101 | mine is 04174.... |
| 06:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | though scratch that areacode thing, if that's not the code of your own provider's network |
| 06:05.49 | naught101 | yeah. it's funny though, it does work for one or two numbers... |
| 06:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | best bet is to leave AC empty, usually |
| 06:07.38 | naught101 | ok |
| 06:08.36 | naught101 | DocScrutinizer: what is the international prefix? is it like the number you dial to call out? |
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| 06:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | the numeric alternative to "+" |
| 06:09.40 | naught101 | right. I think that's 0011 in australia.. |
| 06:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | possible |
| 06:09.56 | naught101 | yeah |
| 06:10.19 | naught101 | (wikipedia rocks) |
| 06:10.36 | naught101 | and the national prefix, what's that? |
| 06:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | obviously the 0 in your case |
| 06:11.14 | naught101 | oh, ok. but that's only for mobiles... |
| 06:11.33 | naught101 | hrm... maybe not actually, state prefixes all start with a 0 too |
| 06:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | well, you're dealing with a mobile |
| 06:12.44 | naught101 | ok, I don't understand how this is affecting SHR's knowledge of other numbers... |
| 06:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's trying to expand the numbers in your contacts as well as the numbers of inbound calls and SMS to a full qualified format like +614198765 |
| 06:14.52 | naught101 | so basically it's using those settings to translate/convert the +61 into 0 if it's national, and 0011 if it's international? |
| 06:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | the other way round, but basically yes. See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-May/005594.html |
| 06:16.06 | naught101 | ok, cool. looks like only numbers with a "tel:" prefix are working.... |
| 06:16.19 | naught101 | no, wait, that's not true |
| 06:17.43 | naught101 | does the "tel:" prefix in the Phone field do anything? |
| 06:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | it's obsolete and deprecated for 'new' opimd. Don't ask *me* what's new |
| 06:21.43 | naught101 | ok. does that mean it's ignored, and has no effect, or does it mean that it's a legacy thing that screws things up? |
| 06:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | on latest SHR-U you even should run a script to kill the tel: prefix I'm told |
| 06:23.41 | naught101 | ok |
| 06:23.49 | naught101 | where are the contacts stored? |
| 06:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, some sqlite .db i guess |
| 06:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | the above mentioned script called remove-prefs.sh or somesuch, should know |
| 06:26.50 | naught101 | ok.. wonder if it could be browsed with an sqllite browser? |
| 06:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | aiui it comes preinstalled with latest SHR-u |
| 06:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | sure it should |
| 06:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | no idea how twisted the table structure might be though |
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| 06:30.19 | naught101 | yeah, ok... bloody sqlite browser doesn't do connections over ssh anyway... |
| 06:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 06:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah connections. hmm that might get tricky |
| 06:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | prolly simply scp the .db |
| 06:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | browse, [edit,] copy back to device |
| 06:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 06:37.48 | naught101 | yeah.. I think maybe I should upgrade, I think I'm on testing |
| 06:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | browse, [edit[, copy back to device]] |
| 06:38.12 | naught101 | that remove tel script think I've got an old version of opimd |
| 06:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | opgrade from testing doesn't work, for all I know |
| 06:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about that though |
| 06:39.26 | naught101 | no, I mean re flash |
| 06:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 06:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehe killed a mosquito with my laserpointer |
| 06:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | a moth actually |
| 06:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | g'night |
| 06:42.32 | naught101 | night |
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| 08:51.46 | naught101 | oh shit. I just totally screwed the calibration on SHR... is there a way to reset it on the command line? |
| 08:52.08 | josch | /etc/pointercal |
| 08:52.36 | josch | either run: |
| 08:52.37 | josch | TSLIB_CALIBFILE=/etc/pointercal TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 TSLIB_CONSOLEDEVICE=none ts_calibrate |
| 08:52.47 | josch | or copy the contet from s.o. else in there |
| 08:52.52 | josch | echo -67 38667 -4954632 -51172 121 46965312 65536 > /etc/pointercal |
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| 08:53.32 | naught101 | does that echo command require a restart of enlightenment after? |
| 08:53.56 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: rm /etc/pointercal.xinput; xinput-calibrator-once.sh |
| 08:54.26 | josch | hm... seems i'm too oldschool :P |
| 08:54.45 | naught101 | -sh: xinput-calibrator-once.sh: not found |
| 08:54.46 | JaMa|Gone | josch: yes a bit :), as there is evdev used in shr.. |
| 08:54.52 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: s/-/_/g |
| 08:55.16 | naught101 | ok |
| 08:55.48 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: or run /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89xTs_Calibrate |
| 08:55.48 | naught101 | schweet, thanks JaMa|Gone :) |
| 08:56.09 | naught101 | hrmm |
| 08:56.17 | naught101 | yeah, that first one didn't work |
| 08:56.45 | naught101 | maybe I need to reboot the device |
| 08:57.21 | JaMa|Gone | what first on? xinput_calibrator_once.sh? |
| 08:57.57 | JaMa|Gone | it's executed too from 89xTs_Calibrate after kernel precalibration.. |
| 08:58.46 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-January/003571.html |
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| 09:00.15 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: moin |
| 09:00.24 | Heinervdm | moin :) |
| 09:00.30 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: how was it @fosdem? |
| 09:00.46 | Heinervdm | very nive |
| 09:00.48 | Heinervdm | nice |
| 09:01.06 | Heinervdm | the devroom was full of people during the talks |
| 09:01.14 | Heinervdm | so nearly 60 people |
| 09:01.16 | JaMa|Gone | I still see some proprietary phones here :/ so world domination is spreading slower than expected.. |
| 09:01.51 | JaMa|Gone | was someone recording the show? |
| 09:02.00 | Heinervdm | yes, but that was a point for the future ;) |
| 09:02.18 | Heinervdm | no, there was no time to prepare that |
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| 09:02.45 | JaMa|Gone | ah I see |
| 09:03.20 | Heinervdm | but i think from FSO and SHR you already know everything |
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| 09:05.11 | JaMa|Gone | :) |
| 09:05.42 | Heinervdm | it was interesting to meet that much people in person :) |
| 09:06.19 | JaMa|Gone | yes, beer session is definitely better live :) |
| 09:06.29 | Heinervdm | But i think it would be more productive if we had a table |
| 09:06.53 | tim2 | rebooting server for kernel upgrade |
| 09:07.14 | Heinervdm | after the devroom was closed we stood in front of the room, but while standing around the only thing one can do is speaking |
| 09:07.31 | Heinervdm | and showing things on the moko |
| 09:07.56 | Heinervdm | Gnutoo showed me the htc-dream with SHR :) |
| 09:08.06 | Heinervdm | that's really fast |
| 09:08.24 | Heinervdm | and he uses armv4t packages on the armv6 device |
| 09:08.35 | Heinervdm | so it will be faster with the right packages |
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| 09:11.43 | Heinervdm | Ah and mickey told me that pb want's to branch of a new stable branch |
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| 09:12.26 | Heinervdm | and we think that this can be a good start for a stable branch |
| 09:12.34 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: ah then probably bitbake master won't be ready in time to merge srcpv :/ |
| 09:12.56 | Heinervdm | hmm :/ |
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| 09:34.40 | Serdar | morning |
| 09:35.01 | Serdar | Heinervdm, you are back? |
| 09:36.15 | Heinervdm | Serdar: yes |
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| 09:42.00 | Serdar | hi mickey|office |
| 09:44.20 | naught101 | JaMa|Gone: sorry, yeah rm -rf /etc/pointercal.xinput && xinput_calibrator_once.sh doesn't work |
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| 09:45.00 | naught101 | at least, the calibration screen comes up, and I can press it, and it seems to take input, but afterwards, the screen is basically dead |
| 09:45.08 | naught101 | won't respond to any input |
| 09:45.25 | naught101 | I tried rebooting too |
| 09:45.44 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: and that 89xTsCalibrate worked? |
| 09:46.10 | JaMa|Gone | show me cat /etc/pointercal.xinput /etc/pointercal.xinput.log |
| 09:47.15 | naught101 | 89xTsCalibrate didn't work |
| 09:47.36 | naught101 | can I PM you that cat? |
| 09:48.09 | JaMa|Gone | pastebin |
| 09:48.36 | naught101 | http://www.pastebin.org/88158 |
| 09:49.16 | naught101 | ahh.. wait.. |
| 09:50.06 | naught101 | no, it is taking input, but only right in the middle of the screen |
| 09:50.37 | naught101 | which is kind of how i broke it - I pressed calibrate, then pressed 4 times in the middle of the screen |
| 09:50.59 | JaMa|Gone | yes the calibration numbers are quite off I would expect something like "Evdev Axis Calibration" 32 11 1012 1 1022 |
| 09:51.06 | JaMa|Gone | why did you do that? |
| 09:51.19 | JaMa|Gone | you have to press the targets not the middle :) |
| 09:51.20 | naught101 | JaMa|Gone: er.. looking for bugs? |
| 09:51.22 | naught101 | :P |
| 09:51.39 | naught101 | I know. I guess the calibration need some foolproofing :) |
| 09:52.00 | naught101 | can I just replace my numbers with those? |
| 09:52.02 | JaMa|Gone | so does rm -rf |
| 09:52.20 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: remove pointercal.xinput and run it again |
| 09:52.40 | naught101 | I have, many times |
| 09:52.53 | naught101 | maybe if I try pressing further out in the corners... |
| 09:53.13 | JaMa|Gone | but you were pressing middle of screen? wasn't you? |
| 09:54.17 | naught101 | no, only the first time |
| 09:54.41 | naught101 | now the numbers are slowly moving further out each time, as I press right in the corners and repeat it.. |
| 09:54.52 | JaMa|Gone | ah strange |
| 09:55.28 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: try to run xinput delete-prop "Touchscreen" "Evdev Axis Calibration" |
| 09:55.42 | JaMa|Gone | and then rm pointercal.xinput and ..once.sh |
| 09:56.28 | naught101 | http://www.pastebin.org/88159 |
| 09:57.46 | naught101 | failed http://www.pastebin.org/88160 |
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| 10:02.01 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: hmm I guess that reboot with pointercal.xinput would reset stored calibration in xinput |
| 10:02.23 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: or you can run that line I sent once to "precalibrate" |
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| 10:09.01 | naught101 | JaMa|Gone: precalibration? |
| 10:15.20 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: yes.. with 4 middle presses you set it really off.. those values I sent you will return your ts to sane area |
| 10:15.35 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: not sure why delete-prop doesn't work :/ |
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| 10:21.50 | naught101 | JaMa|Gone: Looks like manually putting those numbers in and then running /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89xTs_Calibrate fixed it |
| 10:21.52 | naught101 | thanks :) |
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| 10:23.08 | JaMa|Gone | now you can remove /etc/pointercal.xinput and restart xserver-nodm to provide *right* values for your device.. |
| 10:24.29 | naught101 | ok.. why didn't I just do that first? |
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| 10:26.19 | naught101 | ok, next question |
| 10:27.03 | naught101 | I just reflashed with the feb 5th unstable SHR image, and now down the bottom of the launcher there are 10 black buttons |
| 10:27.37 | naught101 | all but the first of them are empty, and do nothing, and the first one reads "C...", and opens up the recalibrator |
| 10:28.17 | naught101 | what are they for, and can I get rid of them? |
| 10:30.18 | JaMa|Gone | you would have to fix gry theme.. no one did that sofar |
| 10:30.36 | naught101 | it's a known bug then? |
| 10:30.41 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: yes |
| 10:30.48 | naught101 | ok, good enough |
| 10:31.27 | JaMa|Gone | naught101: and you should do it as i said for getting right calibration from your device instead using calibration data created on my device with my loosy stylus.. |
| 10:32.33 | naught101 | JaMa|Gone: ok, I did :) |
| 10:32.40 | mickey|office | morning Serdar |
| 10:36.03 | djp_ | naught101: you can get rid of those 10 boxes by changing the theme |
| 10:37.22 | djp_ | naught101: settings>look>theme>... change it to illume-shr |
| 10:38.03 | djp_ | thinks it looks nicer as well ;) |
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| 10:41.59 | naught101 | djp_: will try |
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| 10:43.06 | naught101 | djp_: nope, illume-shr still has them... |
| 10:43.44 | naught101 | so does gry, apparently |
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| 12:47.06 | jaacoppi | just got a (used) freerunner, trying to flash it to shr. I used neotool to flash the kernel and the root file system, but when I try to boot it boots the old OS (by the previous owner). Ideas? |
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| 12:48.14 | PaulFertser | jaacoppi: it boots from SD probably? |
| 12:48.23 | PaulFertser | jaacoppi: read the wiki about the bootloaders and the flashing and booting... |
| 12:49.27 | jaacoppi | trying to boot from SD gives an error |
| 12:50.33 | Weiss | probably the kernel is too big for U-boot to boot? try just pulling the SD out for now |
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| 12:51.52 | jaacoppi | I got it booting by going through NAND flash instead of just pressing the power button |
| 13:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | bootenv |
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| 13:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | jaacoppi: try using NOR uBoot |
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| 15:24.36 | cosmos | hi guys, I'm more happy today, I've reinstalled Qtmoko from my ibookPPC |
| 15:25.00 | cosmos | Linux is more simple than osx sometimes |
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| 15:32.05 | jaacoppi | anyone get a lease with 2.6.29 and shr-t? I don't. |
| 15:32.08 | jaacoppi | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/309 |
| 15:33.54 | Serdar | mickey|office, query? |
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| 15:41.48 | cosmos | hi radekp, It's ok now I have reinstalled qtmoko |
| 15:43.29 | cosmos | there are several issues: when I reboot from terminal, I have a frozen white screen, and I need to get out the battery and to boot from nor |
| 15:44.21 | cosmos | Also to get the network I have to restart qtmoko from the power menu several times |
| 15:46.26 | radekp | cosmos: hi, btw which kernel are you using? the debug or nodebug? |
| 15:47.20 | cosmos | the nodebug one |
| 15:48.47 | radekp | hmm i know it has these problems, but i dont know how to fix them ;) |
| 15:49.23 | radekp | you can try the debug kernel, it should be better (but also slower) |
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| 16:36.32 | cosmos | so my uSD card is empty |
| 16:37.14 | cosmos | do I have to partition before installing debian with: wget... and install.sh? |
| 16:38.41 | cosmos | I want to keep qtmoko in internal and install debian on the uSD card |
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| 16:41.42 | cosmos | Is there a step by step tutorial for installing Debian or Qtmoko on the uSD card including Fdisk, partitionning, exact commands from exact emplacements, in french or in english? |
| 16:42.58 | cosmos | Yesterday I mess up 5 hours to: |
| 16:43.11 | Heinervdm | cosmos: Partioning is here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card |
| 16:43.17 | Heinervdm | if you are using uBoot |
| 16:43.32 | Heinervdm | also you just need 1 ext2 or ext3 partition |
| 16:43.42 | Heinervdm | s/also/else/ |
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| 16:44.11 | cosmos | 1/ broke my terminal access untaring the qtmoko.tar on my pc /home partition (deleting all the files on failsafe terminal+root was necessary) |
| 16:44.13 | cosmos | @/ |
| 16:45.11 | cosmos | 2/ Full my internal memory with unreachable files |
| 16:45.58 | cosmos | 3/ broking all my FR system |
| 16:46.23 | cosmos | 4/ refalashing my FR with qtmoko |
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| 16:50.10 | cosmos | Heinervdm: I give a try with this tutorial |
| 16:53.22 | cosmos | I've installed qi before on a last flashing. Now I have root and <root2. on my file system |
| 16:53.41 | cosmos | How to know if qi is present? |
| 16:54.46 | cosmos | Do the <root2> mirrored or virtual folder have some think to do with Qi? |
| 16:54.58 | cosmos | 8something |
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| 17:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: you should start preparing a SHR-T uSD bootable. To learn. QTmoko is outdated, and the wiki page is *incredibly* obfuscated and buggy |
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| 17:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | also I don't recommend to mess around with Qi until you feel familiar with booting from uSD using uBoot |
| 17:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: starting too many battles concurrently will result in you never knowing who kicked your ass this time |
| 17:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: also *please* use your PS's cardreader to prepare the uSD (given you use a linux, not windoof). It's way less trouble than preparing the uSD on FR via USB-networking |
| 17:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | s/ PS/ PC/ |
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| 17:59.46 | |x| | hi - is there a good source of recent kernel binaries for gta02? |
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| 18:26.39 | cosmos | DocScruntinizer: I run Debian on Ibook, theres no card reader on it |
| 18:28.51 | cosmos | also SHR looks good, but if I install a distribution on the FR, I'd prefer to have a .deb based packages |
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| 18:30.25 | TAsn | cosmos, ipk = deb with more stuff |
| 18:30.34 | TAsn | (or less stuff?) |
| 18:30.49 | TAsn | but ipk is actually a .deb 2.0 version |
| 18:30.52 | TAsn | or something like that |
| 18:31.09 | TAsn | you can even try to install a deb (no idea if that'll work, but I think it should, or at least might) |
| 18:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: I prefer you try something simple to start with, rather than complaining about complexity of complex things |
| 18:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-08 18:27:21] <DocScrutinizer> cosmos: you should start preparing a SHR-T uSD bootable. To learn. <<<!!!! |
| 18:37.01 | Q-Master | TAsn: less |
| 18:37.56 | TAsn | Q-Master, that's what I remembered, thanks :P |
| 18:38.11 | TAsn | cosmos, so just install debs with opkg :P |
| 18:38.17 | TAsn | SHR does work with debs then :) |
| 18:38.31 | TAsn | who was a very simple and small .deb for me to test here? |
| 18:39.35 | cosmos | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pure-data/Pd-0.41.4-extended-debian-lenny-i386.deb |
| 18:40.10 | cosmos | joke ;) |
| 18:42.32 | |x| | hmm - ping? |
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| 18:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | |x|: please rephrase |
| 18:47.26 | cosmos | Tasn: predict (notgpredict)?: http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.html |
| 18:48.05 | TAsn | cosmos, we need a package for arm |
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| 18:50.29 | |x| | doc: thanx, just checking if the message "you might not be able to post to channel" is fud or not... :) |
| 18:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | it's 'might' and I haven't come around to update it after the spamming stopped last week |
| 18:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | for now there's no plans to set the channel +R again |
| 18:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | i reerred to your prev question though |
| 18:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | referred |
| 18:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's quite ambiguous |
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| 18:58.35 | menno123 | hello, I'm trying to get access to my freerunner running shr |
| 18:58.47 | menno123 | but I can't seem to get networking to work |
| 18:58.55 | menno123 | dmesg doesn't assign the fr to any eth |
| 18:59.59 | menno123 | oh, I meant. checking dmesg, no eth is assigned to fr |
| 19:00.04 | menno123 | I'm running ubuntu karmic |
| 19:00.18 | menno123 | would any of you have a clue what I could try? |
| 19:01.07 | cosmos | TAsn: sorry, here is the arm version of predict: |
| 19:01.08 | cosmos | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/predict/predict_2.2.3-1+b1_arm.deb |
| 19:01.21 | TAsn | cosmos, openmoko arm? |
| 19:01.26 | TAsn | because it DOES make a diff |
| 19:01.43 | TAsn | by openmoko arm I meant the same arm we have :) |
| 19:01.49 | jlmoko | menno123, I sometimes have problems on karmic on my ibook when I connect via a hub |
| 19:02.08 | menno123 | I'm connecting my fr using the usb cable (directly) |
| 19:02.57 | jlmoko | led is working ok |
| 19:04.11 | menno123 | oh, somehow, after replugging the fr another time it recognizes it |
| 19:05.48 | menno123 | whee, I can now finally ssh into it |
| 19:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | menno123: known "problem". Sometimes the USB network doesn't start up |
| 19:06.10 | |x| | doc: oic! well actually i'm just looking for a kernel for my gta02. i'm using 2.6.28, anything newer would be great. :) |
| 19:06.21 | menno123 | ok, thanks I've never had this with android on freerunner |
| 19:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | |x|: chek SHR-U |
| 19:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere there has to be .32 |
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| 19:15.18 | menno123 | thanks everybodyu |
| 19:19.11 | cosmos | TAsn: try this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37446884/puredata_0.42.5-3_armel.deb |
| 19:20.45 | |x| | doc: ah - there .29 seems to be the newest. not quite .32, but might be sufficient already. thanx! :) |
| 19:20.59 | TAsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.03 | TAsn | I aint gonna install it |
| 19:21.09 | TAsn | but I gonna test it a bit |
| 19:21.12 | TAsn | manually checking it |
| 19:21.17 | TAsn | it looks exactly like an ipk |
| 19:22.18 | cosmos | TAsn; and this one for predict: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/predict/predict_2.2.3-2_armel.deb |
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| 19:23.06 | TAsn | bah, install puredata |
| 19:23.06 | TAsn | :| |
| 19:23.20 | TAsn | not sure if the binaries are cool |
| 19:23.27 | TAsn | but will at least test .debs |
| 19:24.13 | TAsn | Architecture: armel |
| 19:24.19 | TAsn | (I should have guessed) |
| 19:24.21 | TAsn | we need arm4vt |
| 19:24.26 | TAsn | armv4t |
| 19:24.31 | TAsn | or armv4 |
| 19:24.35 | TAsn | aint gonna work |
| 19:24.52 | TAsn | but that's because |
| 19:25.10 | TAsn | you gave me a package not built for the moko |
| 19:25.16 | TAsn | even on debian it won't work |
| 19:25.31 | TAsn | anyhow, just install shr |
| 19:25.37 | TAsn | and give it a go yourself |
| 19:25.52 | TAsn | you can use any package that you could have used on debain on the omko |
| 19:28.22 | cosmos | TAsn: you mean this kind of portage: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort? |
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| 19:38.18 | TAsn | probably |
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| 21:37.13 | badcloud | has anyone tried 'screen' on shr? why does it not create ~/.screenrc? |
| 21:37.54 | badcloud | the keybindings conflict with gnome-term |
| 21:38.06 | badcloud | and gnome-t seems to winning |
| 21:38.28 | badcloud | (e.g. 'alt-a, c') |
| 21:39.45 | max_posedon | I used screen, and konsole |
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| 21:44.55 | PaulFertser | badcloud: it should create .screenrc itself, it's config you create manually |
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| 21:50.33 | badcloud | PaulFertser: couldn't find .screenrc anywhere |
| 21:50.45 | PaulFertser | badcloud: you should create it with a text editor |
| 21:50.48 | PaulFertser | yourself |
| 21:50.59 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i recommend the screen article at gentoo wiki |
| 21:51.09 | badcloud | PaulFertser: thanks! |
| 21:52.58 | PaulFertser | badcloud: you're welcome. It's a really cool introduction to the GNU Screen imho, worth reading for any newcomer. |
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| 22:00.32 | max_posedon | gentoo-wiki was best linux info collection before big server death... |
| 22:01.12 | CVirus | yeah :-( |
| 22:01.15 | PaulFertser | yeah |
| 22:01.40 | CVirus | <--- 5 years gentoo user |
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| 23:07.04 | badcloud | yess, got screen to work properly |
| 23:07.55 | badcloud | anyone know aprox. how much cpu is used when using bluetooth headset for listening to mp3s? |
| 23:08.03 | badcloud | besides the ~9% that mplayer uses |
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| 23:10.02 | badcloud | essentially my question is how much faster would that drain the bat |
| 23:10.30 | max_posedon | I have 100% and music lagging |
| 23:10.39 | max_posedon | but looks like its only my issue |
| 23:11.21 | max_posedon | I don't think thats faster drain battery |
| 23:11.30 | max_posedon | bluettoth vs headset... |
| 23:12.49 | badcloud | yikes |
| 23:12.54 | badcloud | I think I'll stick with analog |
| 23:13.36 | max_posedon | it even may be that bluetooth variant better for bat time |
| 23:13.48 | badcloud | so what do you think the prob is then? |
| 23:14.01 | max_posedon | problem? |
| 23:14.04 | max_posedon | for whom? |
| 23:14.06 | badcloud | I mean, 100% cpu usage *and* lagging? |
| 23:14.10 | max_posedon | I don't know |
| 23:14.17 | badcloud | ... |
| 23:14.20 | badcloud | weird |
| 23:14.21 | max_posedon | all others says that its nice for them |
| 23:14.25 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 23:14.30 | max_posedon | so, its looks like only my issue) |
| 23:14.58 | badcloud | are you sure that bt would use less bat than analog jack?? |
| 23:16.16 | badcloud | doesn't seem right |
| 23:23.53 | max_posedon | I'm not sure |
| 23:24.06 | max_posedon | anyway neo sound bad for me, without bass fix |
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