| 00:02.03 | cosmos | but several howers ago I've put in the FR a microSD card (Integral 16 gb class 2) and I had kernel panics on boot. Then I put it out. |
| 00:02.45 | cosmos | maybe a messy bootloader flash I've done |
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| 00:07.37 | cosmos | And if I type "reboot" on terminal I get: |
| 00:11.54 | cosmos | "Unknown boot option 'g_ether_host_addr..." |
| 00:12.04 | cosmos | maybe the usb connection |
| 00:12.06 | cosmos | and |
| 00:12.08 | cosmos | : |
| 00:12.34 | cosmos | info: rcu detected cpu stall... |
| 00:12.52 | cosmos | after that, boot is ok |
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| 00:58.26 | cosmos | who have try the Integral micro sd card on the FR? |
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| 05:45.20 | slaxxer | is it the kernel or what |
| 06:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | needs swap |
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| 13:17.32 | panicking | larsc, Are you in Fosdem? |
| 13:18.53 | panicking | I;m looking for you |
| 13:18.57 | panicking | but I don't find |
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| 13:32.13 | larsc | yes I'm |
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| 13:46.11 | cosmos | Hi, |
| 13:47.04 | cosmos | Is it normal in Qtmoko>system_info>storage, to have a "home"parition and a "prefix" one? |
| 13:47.39 | cosmos | that have exactly the same folders and the same size? |
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| 14:17.40 | radekp | cosmos: you will need to format your sd card so that first partition is fat |
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| 14:25.57 | larsc | panicking: yes, I'm |
| 14:26.08 | larsc | panicking: in the hacker room in the main building |
| 14:29.44 | panicking | We are at bar 2 |
| 14:30.01 | panicking | near the main building |
| 14:30.08 | panicking | if you have time can you came here |
| 14:30.09 | panicking | ? |
| 14:30.13 | panicking | So finally |
| 14:30.16 | panicking | I can join the new |
| 14:30.23 | panicking | manteiner of the kernel |
| 14:30.42 | panicking | I have problem to go there |
| 14:30.46 | panicking | because I need to check |
| 14:30.50 | panicking | my friend |
| 14:30.51 | panicking | bag |
| 14:30.54 | panicking | and computer |
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| 14:45.57 | larsc | where is bar two? |
| 14:48.46 | panicking | behind the main bulding |
| 14:48.55 | panicking | on the right |
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| 15:00.59 | larsc | panicking: what should I look for, if I'm looking for you? |
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| 15:06.09 | panicking | Ok |
| 15:06.14 | panicking | I'm looking for you |
| 15:06.15 | panicking | now |
| 15:06.21 | larsc | anyway, i'm comming over now. look for a guy with long hair and dark clothes |
| 15:06.28 | panicking | ok |
| 15:12.30 | PaulFertser | Goth meeting ;) |
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| 15:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | goth moaning :-) |
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| 15:30.38 | PaulFertser | should really read the whole article about Goths, the tribe, seems to be interesting |
| 15:32.04 | ndnihil | damn shame that the "new" goths have ruined it |
| 15:32.46 | jaacoppi | ndnihil: same with nazis |
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| 15:32.53 | ndnihil | puts on some eyeliner and twirly dances around the channel |
| 15:33.46 | Weiss | wonders if long hair and dark clothes is useful identifying information at an OSS conference |
| 15:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | most likely not |
| 15:38.07 | PaulFertser | prefers light colored clothes -- _much_ beter for his mood. Also for the road safety. |
| 15:39.43 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: did you have long hair before? For how long? |
| 15:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | I had ugly thin long hair until I was age of 21 |
| 15:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | well "long" |
| 15:41.26 | PaulFertser | didn't grow up enough to abandon his yet |
| 15:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | like to the shoulders |
| 15:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | yours is worth keeping. It looks good enough |
| 15:42.02 | PaulFertser | Thanks :D |
| 15:42.31 | PaulFertser | (blushes) |
| 15:43.31 | PaulFertser | In fact that's much of a hassle, long hair is definetely counter-productional, but it helps me to keep my "non-conformist" identity. |
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| 15:57.18 | gnufs | is playing with his newly arrived freerunner a7+ |
| 15:57.19 | gnufs | http://omploader.org/vM2g2dA |
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| 16:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | heh, congrats |
| 16:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | who's offering A7+ ? |
| 16:12.09 | rozzin | Golden Delicious is, at least. |
| 16:13.13 | ndnihil | whats the + for? |
| 16:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | Nik is incredible |
| 16:13.59 | rozzin | http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg57594.html |
| 16:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: 1024 basically |
| 16:14.21 | ndnihil | I thought that was fixed in normal a7 release |
| 16:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if they also include the bassfix, the 1uF-0R |
| 16:14.59 | ndnihil | s/release/revision/ |
| 16:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | nah, #1024 isn't fixed on any off the shelf device |
| 16:15.02 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 16:15.09 | ndnihil | ah |
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| 17:23.33 | cosmos | how to Make a partition in Ext3 on the microSD? |
| 17:24.02 | UberNeo | use fdisk |
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| 17:27.37 | cosmos | is ther a tutorial with fdisk for the swapfile and the rootfs+uImage? |
| 17:28.00 | cosmos | I'm a little bit lost with fat ext2 and ext3 |
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| 17:34.22 | cosmos | My microSd cart is inserted in the FR, recognized by the file manager on Qtmoko, but I havn't any /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
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| 17:35.58 | ndnihil | did you create two partitions? |
| 17:37.56 | ndnihil | printf "p\rq\r" |fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 17:48.04 | cosmos | I'm actually on osx, I've lost my connection with the FR. I have to reboot. Come back in 2 minutes |
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| 17:50.01 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:02.37 | cosmos | so... |
| 18:02.44 | cosmos | the output is: |
| 18:02.48 | cosmos | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 1950 15659008 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
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| 18:03.54 | UberNeo | use fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: if you consider to boot from uSD, you'll want a 4MB (or more) FVAT partiton, a large ext3 partition, and maybe you also want to have 512MB of swap |
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| 18:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | s/VFAT/FAT32 |
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| 18:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | use fdisk plus the appropriate mkfs.ext3, mkfs.vfat etc commands for that |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | mkswap as well |
| 18:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | cosmos: you probably want to umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 prior to that |
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| 18:08.47 | cosmos | umounted |
| 18:08.50 | cosmos | then? |
| 18:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | fdisk |
| 18:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | create the partitions you want |
| 18:09.41 | cosmos | fdisk /dev/mmcb1k0p1? |
| 18:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | 4MB fat32 + xx GB ext3 + 0.5GB swap |
| 18:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-07 19:03:54] <UberNeo> use fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | maybe make that 16MB rather than 4MB |
| 18:10.56 | cosmos | Unable to open /dev/mmcb1k0 |
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| 18:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-07 19:03:54] <UberNeo> use fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:11.31 | ndnihil | thats an l |
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| 18:11.32 | ndnihil | not a 1 |
| 18:11.53 | cosmos | ok |
| 18:13.03 | mwester | helps if you try to decode the name: MMC block number 0 |
| 18:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | tab expansion also helps ;-) |
| 18:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | fdisk /de<TAB>m<TAB><TAB>... |
| 18:15.16 | cosmos | ok I've deleted all partitions on the microsd card |
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| 18:15.37 | cosmos | now I have to create 2 partitions? |
| 18:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | 3 |
| 18:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | or 4 |
| 18:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you like |
| 18:15.56 | cosmos | ? |
| 18:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 18:18.22 | cosmos | ok so I need a swap one (dos?) and a ext 3 one (for qtmoko), right? |
| 18:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.17 | cosmos | let's try the first alternative.. but why to create a 16Mb fat32 partition on /boot? |
| 18:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | you need a fat partiton to hold the kernel |
| 18:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | if you want to boot from that uSD |
| 18:23.18 | cosmos | ok |
| 18:25.05 | cosmos | so how to start now that the uSD is empty? "n"command (add a new partition) or "o" (create a new empty DOS partiton table...for FAT32?) ? |
| 18:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | n I'd guess |
| 18:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | (I prefer cfdisk) |
| 18:27.45 | cosmos | What I do, commands: n, p (first cylinder1)...? |
| 18:29.18 | cosmos | so /boot is on the primary partition (command n then p)? |
| 18:30.15 | ndnihil | n |
| 18:30.17 | ndnihil | p |
| 18:30.18 | ndnihil | +16M |
| 18:30.45 | ndnihil | repeat for the rest and substitute the appropriate sizes |
| 18:30.50 | ndnihil | as doc laid out above |
| 18:31.07 | ndnihil | when you're done, w |
| 18:31.20 | ndnihil | actually you'll need to change the type on the swap partition |
| 18:31.29 | ndnihil | before exiting |
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| 18:32.26 | ndnihil | t, then L to list codes |
| 18:32.31 | ndnihil | pick linux swap |
| 18:32.54 | UberNeo | cosmos, have a look at this http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Installation it showing everything with snapshots |
| 18:41.14 | PaulFertser | cosmos: i recommend to recreate the partition table "o" |
| 18:41.23 | PaulFertser | cosmos: and then create partions the way you like |
| 18:41.39 | PaulFertser | cosmos: some cards might come with a borked table, so better to create it from scratch. |
| 18:43.16 | cosmos | ok so I start with "o" |
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| 18:50.14 | cosmos | now on the "t" command for the partition 1 (/boot): what hex code do I have to choose, the "4" (fat16) or the "c" (W95FAT32), what you advise me (fat32) is different than the tutorial (fat16)? |
| 18:51.00 | PaulFertser | cosmos: for small boot partition i'd recommend fat16 |
| 18:51.16 | PaulFertser | cosmos: in fact i prefer Qi bootloader, it doesn't need any boot partition whatsoever. |
| 19:00.39 | cosmos | problem with the swap partition: cannot define 0.5Gb with the numbers of cylinders |
| 19:00.58 | PaulFertser | cosmos: define it like 500Mb |
| 19:01.01 | cosmos | Is it ok if the swap file comes on partition 2? |
| 19:01.02 | PaulFertser | 500M |
| 19:01.29 | ndnihil | nah, you want it on the outside of the platters |
| 19:01.39 | ndnihil | so your filesystem access doesnt suffer :) |
| 19:01.43 | cosmos | ok |
| 19:02.12 | ndnihil | (that was a joke, there's no platters in uSD cards) |
| 19:03.44 | cosmos | so swap on partition 2 is ok then? That's more easy to deal with the mysterious cylinders capacity |
| 19:04.35 | ndnihil | I always make mine as the last partition |
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| 19:04.47 | ndnihil | but that's more out of habit than anything |
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| 19:05.48 | ndnihil | it shouldn't make a difference, but /boot should be the first |
| 19:05.57 | ndnihil | whichever way you order the rest |
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| 19:11.45 | cosmos | after "w" It looks that no partition table was written |
| 19:12.14 | cosmos | because the mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1 command gives me : |
| 19:12.35 | cosmos | /dev/mmcblk1: No such file or directory |
| 19:12.39 | cosmos | oups |
| 19:13.43 | radekp | cosmos: do you have sdcard reader in your pc? You could do the partitioning using gparted then |
| 19:13.49 | ndnihil | again, that's an l |
| 19:13.50 | ndnihil | not a 1 |
| 19:13.57 | ndnihil | oh wait |
| 19:14.00 | mwester | cosmos, you really need to THINK about the device naming!! |
| 19:14.20 | ndnihil | needs to think about that tab key |
| 19:14.25 | mwester | MMC type, block device number 0, partition 1 : /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 19:15.01 | ndnihil | mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 |
| 19:15.11 | ndnihil | mmcblk0 = the card itself, raw block device |
| 19:15.20 | ndnihil | mmcblk0p1 = partition 1 on that device |
| 19:15.27 | ndnihil | p2 = partition 2 |
| 19:15.28 | ndnihil | etc... |
| 19:20.42 | cosmos | ok that's done |
| 19:21.25 | cosmos | wait a minute...qtmoko needs an ext3 partition not an ext2 one? |
| 19:21.40 | ndnihil | ext2 is fine |
| 19:22.01 | ndnihil | mtd's dont need journaling like spinning drives do |
| 19:22.48 | cosmos | ok |
| 19:23.56 | cosmos | so now I have my /boot partition (fat16), swap in the middle (500M) and the remaining space for the ext2 |
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| 19:33.33 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i think data loss doesn't depend much on spinning, to me it seems that using a journalling FS is beneficial for removable flash-based storage as well. |
| 19:34.22 | ndnihil | yeah, but devices with moving parts fail far more often than those without |
| 19:34.56 | ndnihil | and there is a performance hit on an already slow device |
| 19:41.07 | cosmos | I suppose that the "swap" partition is flashed more oten than the others isn't it? |
| 19:41.30 | ndnihil | it has more frequent reads/writes yes |
| 19:42.07 | cosmos | so it's mabe better to place it at the end finally... |
| 19:42.13 | cosmos | *maybe |
| 19:42.36 | ndnihil | doesnt matter on a memory based block device |
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| 19:43.50 | ruskie | wouldn't a journal affect a flash device in a bad way wrt to long term usability? |
| 19:44.35 | ndnihil | anything that increases reads/writes will shorten its lifespan |
| 19:44.47 | ruskie | I thought it was only writes |
| 19:45.02 | ndnihil | could be |
| 19:45.10 | cosmos | me too |
| 19:45.24 | ndnihil | been a while since I read up on it |
| 19:45.30 | ruskie | and from reading around(if I remember) operations are atomic on the flash devices and a journal doesn't really help much |
| 19:47.28 | ruskie | well wikipedia mentions that ext2 gets used on flash devices due to lack of a journal |
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| 19:49.05 | rozzin | depending on what "operations" and "flash device" specifically mean. |
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| 19:51.04 | rozzin | Plenty of consumer flash-memory devices have done wear-levelling internally for several years at this point, |
| 19:53.30 | rozzin | and you basically get enough write-cycles overall that you don't need to worry about it; |
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| 20:01.40 | rozzin | people get way too caught-up in this `any writes you do to flash-memory decreases its lifespan', |
| 20:02.08 | cosmos | same for neurons |
| 20:03.08 | rozzin | which is technically *true*, but it's a *vacuous* truth until you have actual numbers to compare. |
| 20:03.44 | rozzin | Like, it's technically true that 9 years and 300 days is less than 10 years. |
| 20:04.04 | rozzin | And it's technically true that 10 years is less than 100 years. |
| 20:04.34 | rozzin | Would it really matter if you reduced the lifespan of your flash-memory from 100 to 10 years, though? ;) |
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| 20:23.11 | cosmos | ok what are the next steps? |
| 20:24.22 | cosmos | cd into /dev/mmcblk0? |
| 20:25.01 | cosmos | untar the rootfs into part 3 (for me) and uImage on part 1? |
| 20:26.36 | cosmos | I follow the instructions here: |
| 20:26.39 | cosmos | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
| 20:27.33 | cosmos | exept for those ones, because I do not understand at all what I'm doing: |
| 20:28.31 | cosmos | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
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| 20:30.13 | cosmos | where to untar qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz? |
| 20:32.56 | cosmos | on /media/mmcblk0p3? |
| 20:34.56 | cosmos | and uImage-v19-nodebug.bin on /media/card/boot? |
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| 20:37.52 | cosmos | oups, it was there...: |
| 20:37.53 | cosmos | http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Installation |
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| 21:00.37 | cosmos | cannot untar qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz |
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| 21:03.04 | cosmos | ...Cannot mknod: operation not permitted |
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| 21:09.57 | rozzin | You need to be root, to do that. |
| 21:10.46 | rozzin | Which is, of course, dangerous :) |
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| 22:32.18 | badcloud | anyone know if opkg update is safe on shr-u now? |
| 22:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: wrt need for swap? |
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| 23:35.31 | badcloud | DocScrutinizer: wrt meaning? |
| 23:35.44 | badcloud | in the end I just flashed a newer image |
| 23:35.45 | badcloud | btw |
| 23:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf wrt |
| 23:36.32 | badcloud | ok, Doc. still don't understand what you were asking |
| 23:36.40 | badcloud | hi, btw |
| 23:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | you asked "is it safe now to opkg upgrade?" IIRC yesterday you said opkg borked for you |
| 23:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | hihi |
| 23:37.46 | badcloud | guess my memory is shoddy |
| 23:37.52 | badcloud | but last time it worked ok |
| 23:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | prolly my memory then |
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