| 00:02.09 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:04.55 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:07.27 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:09.56 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:12.55 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:15.24 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:20.37 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:22.03 | *** join/#openmoko alex1992 (~elfili_ba@ip-150-41.tricom.net) |
| 00:22.17 | *** part/#openmoko alex1992 (~elfili_ba@ip-150-41.tricom.net) |
| 00:23.14 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:25.50 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:28.34 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:30.47 | *** join/#openmoko pespin (~Sharwin_F@171.Red-83-32-71.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:30.54 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:33.30 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:33.48 | *** join/#openmoko zeroedout (zeroedout@xx114200220.cipherkey.com) |
| 00:36.42 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:38.43 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:41.45 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:44.00 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:48.17 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (~playya@unaffiliated/playya) |
| 00:49.31 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:52.25 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:55.16 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 00:57.40 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:00.25 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:02.55 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (~geaaru@95.232.227.117) |
| 01:03.00 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:09.04 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:11.47 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:13.48 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:17.05 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:19.48 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:44b8:61::2d) |
| 01:24.27 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp121-45-26-79.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 01:54.20 | *** join/#openmoko Q-Master (~qmaster@89.179.202.106) |
| 02:12.11 | *** join/#openmoko Bryanstein (bryan@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) |
| 03:22.36 | *** join/#openmoko naught101 (~abcdef@121-200-9-186.cust.aussiebb.net) |
| 03:26.11 | *** join/#openmoko pcfe (~pcfe@a88-115-31-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 03:26.12 | *** join/#openmoko pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 03:29.27 | *** join/#openmoko droid001 (~g1@p4FDC9CC2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:31.14 | slaxxer | if opkg is so bad why on earth was it chosen????,,, because somebody wanted to derail us??????? |
| 03:31.46 | ndnihil | because apt is too resource intensive for the GTA hardware |
| 03:31.50 | ndnihil | is my guess |
| 03:32.16 | slaxxer | ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-devtools/minirootfs/roots/ |
| 03:39.04 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (~clemens@91-113-122-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 03:43.17 | *** join/#openmoko naught101 (~abcdef@121-200-9-186.cust.aussiebb.net) |
| 03:45.49 | *** join/#openmoko raster (~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster) |
| 04:02.09 | slaxxer | ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-devtools/minirootfs/ |
| 04:06.25 | *** join/#openmoko eolson (~eolson@c-24-13-244-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:21.04 | *** join/#openmoko rozzin (~rozzin@209-20-69-211.slicehost.net) |
| 04:25.36 | *** join/#openmoko naught101 (~abcdef@121-200-9-186.cust.aussiebb.net) |
| 04:34.16 | slaxxer | http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm |
| 04:35.10 | slaxxer | for those intrested |
| 04:51.15 | *** join/#openmoko uga|gNr (~ug@110.136.255.109) |
| 04:51.29 | *** part/#openmoko uga|gNr (~ug@110.136.255.109) |
| 04:52.40 | *** join/#openmoko batti (~batti@dslb-092-073-183-041.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:05.40 | slaxxer | cant set time on shr-u |
| 05:07.01 | *** join/#openmoko brian__ (~brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) |
| 05:12.41 | *** join/#openmoko FxChiP (~FxChiP@99-72-237-154.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:17.35 | *** join/#openmoko raster (raster@enlightenment/developer/raster) |
| 05:20.39 | *** join/#openmoko slaxxer (~brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) |
| 05:22.14 | *** join/#openmoko Amorphous (jan@unaffiliated/amorphous) |
| 05:31.10 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (~Satan@41.130.233.182) |
| 05:32.19 | *** join/#openmoko droid001 (~g1@p4FDCB67D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:32.20 | *** join/#openmoko Docscrutemp (~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 05:32.44 | *** join/#openmoko DocScrutinizer (~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 06:16.25 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (~jserv@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw) |
| 07:09.40 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun (~Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 07:40.44 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (~jserv@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw) |
| 07:51.30 | *** join/#openmoko Bryanstein (bryan@shellium/admin/bryanstein) |
| 07:51.50 | *** join/#openmoko jlmoko (~jluis@81.253.86.230) |
| 07:57.28 | *** join/#openmoko djp_ (~djp@fsf/member/djp-) |
| 08:07.16 | *** join/#openmoko onen|openBmap (~quassel@vbo91-1-89-87-201-85.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 08:22.26 | *** join/#openmoko soman (~somnath@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fe8adf00-56.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:36.26 | *** join/#openmoko Heinervdm (~thomas@pD9E16F94.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:44.32 | *** join/#openmoko Kame2 (~manuel@port-92-196-234-4.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 08:46.35 | *** join/#openmoko Gabrys (~Gabrys@188.13.28.78.cable.dyn.petrus.com.pl) |
| 08:46.44 | *** join/#openmoko onen|openBmap_ (~quassel@vbo91-1-89-87-201-85.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 08:58.02 | *** join/#openmoko pb__ (pb@212.224.144.17) |
| 09:07.35 | *** join/#openmoko ThibG (~ThibG@abo-58-5-68.ech.modulonet.fr) |
| 09:21.03 | *** join/#openmoko dvermd (~roudoudou@78.234.93.192) |
| 09:21.13 | *** join/#openmoko fsteinel (~fsteinel@fedora/fsteinel) |
| 09:26.05 | *** join/#openmoko radekp (~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz) |
| 09:49.06 | *** join/#openmoko pa4wdh (~pa4wdh@lt30598-lnx.ipv6.pa4wdh.nl.eu.org) |
| 09:55.33 | *** join/#openmoko PaulFertser (~PaulFerts@aein-1-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 10:05.06 | *** join/#openmoko IsSuE- (~quassel@80.122.250.98) |
| 10:10.05 | *** join/#openmoko pb__ (pb@181-51-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net) |
| 10:14.53 | *** join/#openmoko alabd (~alabd@unaffiliated/alabd) |
| 10:16.01 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar (~john@fsf/member/zedstar) |
| 10:18.13 | *** join/#openmoko spydon (~spydon@nl103-146-152.student.uu.se) |
| 10:25.55 | *** join/#openmoko SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 10:33.28 | *** join/#openmoko Termana (~bradley@123-3-180-189.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 10:37.34 | *** join/#openmoko BillK (~BillK@124-169-170-188.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 10:43.54 | *** join/#openmoko drscream (~drscream@cayococo-air.doc.fruky.net) |
| 10:45.18 | *** join/#openmoko djp_ (~djp@fsf/member/djp-) |
| 10:52.18 | *** join/#openmoko alabd (~alabd@unaffiliated/alabd) |
| 10:54.07 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (~sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 10:55.53 | *** join/#openmoko naeg (~naeg@194.208.239.170) |
| 11:08.24 | *** join/#openmoko beersss (~beer@0x4dd40dcb.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 11:11.39 | *** join/#openmoko vanInwagen (~mat@port-92-195-209-63.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 11:18.53 | Rakhun | can someone tell me how to set or (preferably) disable the pin for bluetooth? :) |
| 11:19.11 | *** join/#openmoko pb__ (pb@181-51-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net) |
| 11:24.21 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: yes |
| 11:24.37 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: there're two bluetooth agents in the test directory of bluez sources. |
| 11:25.04 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: one is python, one is in C. Python agent is easily modifiable, the C one probably has an option to specify a constant pin, look it up. |
| 11:25.34 | Rakhun | hm :/ ok |
| 11:25.38 | Rakhun | thanks |
| 11:25.51 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (~sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 11:26.27 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: what's wrong? |
| 11:27.36 | jaacoppi | trying to emulate openmoko on qemu it gives "qemu: could not open disk image openmoko-flash.image: No such file or directory" - the files does exists, is 256K and reports as "Qemu Image, Format: Qcow , Version: 2" - any ideas what's wrong? |
| 11:28.27 | *** join/#openmoko jlmoko (~jluis@2001:6a8:1100:cafe:21d:4fff:fef7:fa5c) |
| 11:28.36 | jaacoppi | s/files does exists/file does exist/ |
| 11:28.53 | Rakhun | PaulFertser: it just seems so cumbersome, I had hoped for something more like hciconfig hci0 pin off |
| 11:29.25 | *** join/#openmoko Kame2 (~manuel@port-92-196-24-175.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 11:31.27 | PaulFertser | jaacoppi: usually nobody tries to emulate openmoko nowadays since it's useless. |
| 11:34.26 | jaacoppi | okay. I'm asking because I'd like to try some assembly hacking, my own primitive OS or something like that |
| 11:37.42 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (~clemens@91-113-57-67.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 11:53.36 | *** join/#openmoko Gabrys1 (~Gabrys@188.13.28.78.cable.dyn.petrus.com.pl) |
| 11:59.44 | *** join/#openmoko jonkristian (~jonkristi@106.84-48-49.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:01.19 | *** join/#openmoko max_posedon1 (~max_posed@114-243-252-87-dynamic-pool.gprs.mts.by) |
| 12:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | you can't disable pin for NT, aiui |
| 12:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | BT |
| 12:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | just set default '0000' |
| 12:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | at leasr winmoob has 0000 hardcoded, plus option for a user defined 2nd default |
| 12:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 12:25.51 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (~laurent@ip-213-49-76-24.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 12:29.54 | *** join/#openmoko emmentaler (~baboo@54-54-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch) |
| 12:30.47 | *** join/#openmoko Termana (~brad@123-3-180-189.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 12:30.52 | *** join/#openmoko Batchy (~batchy@AVelizy-155-1-93-37.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:31.06 | *** join/#openmoko emmentaler (~baboo@54-54-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch) |
| 12:38.46 | *** join/#openmoko soman (~somnath@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fe19fb00-113.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:00.31 | *** join/#openmoko pb__ (pb@181-51-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net) |
| 13:01.35 | ndnihil | any of you know anything about touchscreens under xorg? |
| 13:03.36 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: they should work, autodetected with hal (on bleeding-edge systems hal got replaced by various other code). |
| 13:04.01 | ndnihil | the other couple I've tried worked out of the box just fine |
| 13:04.08 | ndnihil | but this one is being a huge pain in the ass |
| 13:04.15 | ndnihil | panasonic CF-U1 |
| 13:05.05 | Heinervdm | you need a kernel module that supports that TS |
| 13:05.09 | PaulFertser | Oh, so probably it's not about xorg, rather about the kernel driver? |
| 13:05.32 | ndnihil | I get data from the device if I cat /dev/usb/whateveritscalled |
| 13:05.49 | ndnihil | but it's not playing nice with xorg |
| 13:05.54 | Heinervdm | but is the the right format? |
| 13:06.00 | ndnihil | Heinervdm: good question |
| 13:06.44 | ndnihil | one of the things I found interesting was: |
| 13:06.48 | Heinervdm | Gnutoo has rewritten the ts module for the htc-dream, so perhaps he knows sth about the format |
| 13:06.49 | ndnihil | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0430:0530 Sun Microsystems, Inc. |
| 13:07.01 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you want to have a kernel level input event device. |
| 13:07.38 | ndnihil | I aliased in udev, but it looks like the same thing the hid device was dumping |
| 13:08.06 | ndnihil | nothing in /dev/input/ is attached to it |
| 13:09.02 | ndnihil | google has returned absolutely nothing |
| 13:09.16 | *** join/#openmoko Kero (~kero@d74199.upc-d.chello.nl) |
| 13:09.30 | ndnihil | just people bitching about the graphics chipset and emperorlinux selling the device with linux preinstalled |
| 13:10.12 | ndnihil | they (emperor) of course havent posted anything in regards to the matter |
| 13:10.35 | *** join/#openmoko Kame2 (~manuel@port-92-196-24-175.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 13:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (~ruoso@201009018079.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 13:16.42 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: is that some custom distro you're using? |
| 13:18.44 | ndnihil | nope, debian stable |
| 13:19.06 | ndnihil | it loaded just fine, no issues |
| 13:19.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: let me look up the info in a more recent kernel... |
| 13:20.03 | ndnihil | thanks I appreciate it |
| 13:20.27 | ndnihil | 2.6.26 currently |
| 13:25.27 | *** join/#openmoko dos1 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 13:27.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | regarding Kroha has announced LTS for .32 and recommended users of older kernels to switch - .26 sounds a bit scary |
| 13:29.38 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: looks like there's no driver that lists your vid:pid :( i suspect the TS is in fact of some other vendor and all you need is to understand what that is. |
| 13:30.30 | ndnihil | figures |
| 13:30.33 | ndnihil | oh well, it was free |
| 13:30.44 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i guess if you get any driver to work with it (including windows) and get some usb sniffing software, it'd not be that hard. |
| 13:31.08 | ndnihil | I got it to respons using the generic 'mouse' driver and went through each and every protocol available |
| 13:31.14 | ndnihil | but it was spastic |
| 13:31.22 | ndnihil | s/respons/respond/ |
| 13:31.41 | ndnihil | when in doubt, brute force it eh? |
| 13:31.42 | ndnihil | :) |
| 13:31.50 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's not mouse, it's a touchscreen. The kernel has a dedicated driver for usb touchscreens. |
| 13:32.17 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: with 15 different tyes |
| 13:32.18 | ndnihil | it doesnt respond at all with evtouch or hidtouch |
| 13:33.27 | *** join/#openmoko spydon (~spydon@nl103-146-152.student.uu.se) |
| 13:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 13:38.58 | apt | Since Tue Feb 2 02:10:03 2010, there have been 46 modifications, 240 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 115 commands. I have been awake for 4d 11h 28m 55s this session, and currently reference 116809 factoids. I'm using about 21480 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 9676.94/310.4 child 0.37/0.12 |
| 13:39.59 | ndnihil | ~snack |
| 13:40.00 | apt | ACTION belches loudly. Oup, 'begpardon. |
| 13:40.10 | ndnihil | silly bots |
| 13:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | [maemo] [2010-02-06 14:24:36] *** ChanServ setzt Modus: +v infobot |
| 13:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | ??? o.O |
| 13:42.15 | ndnihil | maybe a faq type script for the bot |
| 13:43.14 | ndnihil | not the same one I tried |
| 13:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | you think wondering why chanserv sets +v to infobot some 10min ago is a sort of FAQ? |
| 13:43.56 | ndnihil | oh, thought you were questioning the bot itself |
| 13:44.05 | ndnihil | chanserv can be set to autovoice particular users |
| 13:44.10 | ndnihil | and autoop |
| 13:44.21 | ndnihil | I use that feature on the server I oper on |
| 13:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | nice. but that obviously means infobot joined maemo some 12min ago |
| 13:45.05 | ndnihil | *shrug* |
| 13:45.19 | ndnihil | perhaps someone manually told chanserv to voice it |
| 13:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | as I have suppressed join/quit msgs here, I was wondering if the infobot server had a reboot |
| 13:45.52 | ndnihil | ah |
| 13:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | could've been netsplit |
| 13:48.57 | ndnihil | didn't see one here |
| 13:49.45 | *** join/#openmoko mmp (~mmp@adsl-dyn86.91-127-6.t-com.sk) |
| 13:50.26 | *** join/#openmoko pb__ (~pb@2001:6a8:1100:cafe:21d:e0ff:fe34:806d) |
| 13:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 13:50.55 | apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 13:51.49 | mmp | Hello; I have a problem with audio mixer settings -- is it normal that (just flashed latest SHR) when I mute right channel, I can hear audio from both earplugs (although quiet), when I enable right channel audio from right is much louder? |
| 13:52.14 | mmp | basically, looks like left signal goes to both right and left earplug and right only to right |
| 13:52.24 | mmp | headphones should be OK, I just unpacked new set |
| 13:52.40 | *** join/#openmoko azaghal (~azaghal@195.252.105.120) |
| 13:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like wiring mismatch |
| 13:53.19 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: yes, but on the same hardware it used to work |
| 13:53.35 | mmp | (and earplugs are openmoko original, so I doubt this could be the problem) |
| 13:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | same hw? didn't you unpack just a minute ago? |
| 13:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 13:54.04 | mmp | earplugs yes |
| 13:54.10 | mmp | but freerunner is the same |
| 13:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | FR wiring is considered ok ;-P |
| 13:54.44 | *** part/#openmoko pb__ (~pb@2001:6a8:1100:cafe:21d:e0ff:fe34:806d) |
| 13:54.49 | mmp | well... I used to have different earplugs, but those seems to not work anymore (I suspect they had shorted lines) |
| 13:54.59 | mmp | so I'm a bit afraid of hardware damage |
| 13:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you settled the jack tightly |
| 13:55.50 | mmp | well, I did... seems to be OK |
| 13:56.12 | PaulFertser | mmp: please tell exactly how do you connect your headphones to the FR |
| 13:56.49 | mmp | PaulFertser: original FR headphones, not sure what you mean, I just plug them and leave all the framework running inside to load proper mixer settings |
| 13:57.43 | PaulFertser | mmp: ah, ok. Be sure after you plugged in the headset the amp switch (in alsamixer) is toggled. |
| 13:58.46 | mmp | well... which one? |
| 13:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | or simply run alsactl restore -f stereoheadset |
| 13:58.55 | mmp | speaker amp is disabled |
| 13:59.10 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: there is either headset.state or stereoout.state |
| 13:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | headset |
| 13:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess |
| 13:59.56 | mmp | well.. that's the same state (both theoretically and empirically;-) as the state loaded when headset is plugged |
| 14:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 14:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I say force loead it |
| 14:00.48 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: already did, but it did not help |
| 14:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 14:01.48 | mmp | well... either is something pushing mono signal to both earplugs, or I really don't have idea either |
| 14:02.23 | mmp | but I'm afraid it would be good to check the hardware |
| 14:02.49 | mmp | maybe the older, shorted earplugs did some damage |
| 14:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | mmp: believe me, the FR hw is quite scrutinized and all flaws wellknown |
| 14:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | for audio at least |
| 14:03.14 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: I'm saying my local damage :-( |
| 14:03.19 | mmp | unfortunately |
| 14:03.29 | mmp | I don't blame FR's hardware design |
| 14:03.39 | mmp | but more my broken earplugs |
| 14:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | there were no older shorted headsets afaik. And thre's no way to do any damage done by any hypothetical short that I ever got to know of or could imagine |
| 14:05.33 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: well.. that short might be caused by myself; just by using :) |
| 14:05.44 | mmp | ok, but now I have one more idea of what could happen |
| 14:06.35 | mmp | I had an audio rework done on my FR, so maybe something's broken there |
| 14:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite possible |
| 14:07.37 | mmp | like some capacitor with broken soldering |
| 14:07.55 | mmp | looks like I know whom to contact :) |
| 14:07.57 | mmp | DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser: thank you a lot :-) |
| 14:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 14:10.46 | PaulFertser | mmp: audio rework? |
| 14:11.04 | PaulFertser | mmp: framework doesn't load an alternative state, it should be stereout with Amp switch toggled. |
| 14:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ack |
| 14:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | amp_mode, no? |
| 14:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | frowns and considers a second coffee |
| 14:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko azaghal_ (~azaghal@91.148.114.212) |
| 14:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | numid=94,name='Amp Spk Switch' |
| 14:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | Amp Mode probably is mere powerswitch |
| 14:19.13 | PaulFertser | It's written in the rules file of oeventsd anyway |
| 14:22.04 | mmp | PaulFertser: amp spk is disabled, afaik... |
| 14:22.19 | PaulFertser | mmp: frameword toggles it whenever you plug in the headset. |
| 14:24.12 | mmp | PaulFertser: yes, but it should disable it when headset is plugged, right? |
| 14:27.07 | mmp | PaulFertser: btw, audio rework was changing the capacitors to not attenuate basses that much... |
| 14:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: which btw is a quite botchy method to do this |
| 14:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where the crosstalk to *both* channels comes from, when one audiorail is proken, and the other one muted |
| 14:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | broken, omg |
| 14:31.01 | Rakhun | I got bluetooth file transfer working with pairing in emtooth :) |
| 14:31.13 | PaulFertser | mmp: it's interesting, how exactly have you performed a rework? |
| 14:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: headset deserves a private dedicated statefile, in a sense of "that's my headset volume, that's my eq settings..." |
| 14:31.37 | mmp | PaulFertser: my friend did, I'm not in EE field at all :-) |
| 14:31.42 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: of course |
| 14:31.50 | PaulFertser | mmp: i wonder if he used "my" method or not :) |
| 14:32.04 | mmp | PaulFertser: hmm... let me see :-) |
| 14:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | wonders and wonders where the crosstalk to *both* channels comes from, when one audiorail is broken, and the other one muted |
| 14:34.12 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: me too, but basically I have no idea what happens inside; maybe just something has shorted, due to thermal changes :-) |
| 14:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | see - if one chan has a loose contact, how on earth cna the signal skip to not only this chan output, but also to the other "good" chan - while signal of good chan can *not* jump to the broken one |
| 14:37.31 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (~ruoso@201009077168.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 14:38.04 | mmp | well... as I said, no idea; but having spent time debugging another project which in the end had a hardware problem, I believe anything can happen |
| 14:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe I'm thinking too much in terms of ideal components. Muting simply might not be ideal |
| 14:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | and the beoken chan shorted to ground - maybe can metal or sth |
| 14:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | mmp: do you have access to a decent DVM? |
| 14:40.31 | mmp | possibly :-) I'm into debugging software, not hardware; but having audio signal on the GND sounds like a possible reason |
| 14:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | or any DVM? |
| 14:40.41 | mmp | depends on what you mean by DVM |
| 14:40.46 | mmp | digital volt meter? :) |
| 14:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | digital voltmeter |
| 14:41.02 | mmp | I think I have one |
| 14:41.24 | mmp | ... in my hand now |
| 14:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | could you test the resistence of broken audio out pin to GND please? |
| 14:41.45 | mmp | hmm.. let me see |
| 14:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | + on audio pin, - on GND |
| 14:41.53 | mmp | (never disassembler FR before |
| 14:41.56 | mmp | ) |
| 14:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | you just need a 2.5mm plug with wires cut off |
| 14:42.58 | mmp | <joke>well, plenty of them im my under my bed :-P</joke> |
| 14:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 14:43.28 | mmp | but maybe one person could have some... |
| 14:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | if you have a 2.5->3.5mm adapter you possibly can open one side to touch the solderpoints |
| 14:44.39 | mmp | well, neither that one |
| 14:44.49 | mmp | not mentioning, I'm screwed, literally |
| 14:45.01 | mmp | my torx screwdriver is 200km away from me :-) |
| 14:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind then |
| 14:45.26 | *** join/#openmoko pbaxter (~pbaxter@host78-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | just a dead simple test: slowly retract the plug, and listen if audio jumps from one chan to the other |
| 14:47.30 | mmp | let me boot it again |
| 14:50.29 | *** join/#openmoko der-lehmann (~stefan@188-192-133-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 14:52.53 | mmp | (DocScrunitizer: you are talking to a man studying teoretical computer science; an old joke tells that we are denied to use any EE equipment, because of the immitent danger of death these purely practical tools can have in our hands:-) |
| 14:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | hides scared |
| 14:57.57 | *** part/#openmoko max_posedon1 (~max_posed@114-243-252-87-dynamic-pool.gprs.mts.by) |
| 14:58.21 | mmp | ok, slowly plugging out the earplugs (from FR, of course): (left quiet, right loud) -> (distorted sound, right earplug significantly louder) -> (really quiet signal in left earplug) -> (left quiet, right loud) -> (speaker starts playing) |
| 14:58.27 | *** join/#openmoko max_posedon1 (~max_posed@114-243-252-87-dynamic-pool.gprs.mts.by) |
| 14:59.12 | *** join/#openmoko raster (~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster) |
| 15:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 15:02.16 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: have you ever seen CS student with a soldering iron in his (or even her hands?) :-) |
| 15:02.30 | mmp | </joke> |
| 15:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | I think I managed to never see any CS student ;-P |
| 15:03.10 | *** join/#openmoko azaghal (~azaghal@91.148.112.101) |
| 15:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | runs for an emergency first aid coffee |
| 15:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | mmp: you speaker/sounder output hasn't changed in quality or volume coincidentally with the breakage of left headphone channel? |
| 15:18.12 | mmp | not, sure, I haven't used the speaker at all |
| 15:19.18 | mmp | sounds... normally |
| 15:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I recommend you visit your friend who did the audio mod |
| 15:20.46 | *** join/#openmoko rob79 (~rob@g224011182.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | tell him it seems to me like there's a short effectively making R4117 a 0R |
| 15:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | possibly one of the wires used for connecting the big audio Cs has a contact to GND |
| 15:32.17 | *** join/#openmoko pespin (~Sharwin_F@10.Red-81-39-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:42.42 | *** join/#openmoko sudharsh (~sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 15:45.05 | *** join/#openmoko radekp (~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz) |
| 15:46.52 | *** join/#openmoko kirun (~kirun@78-86-154-194.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:47.50 | *** join/#openmoko KenSentMe (~jeroen@unaffiliated/kensentme) |
| 15:51.58 | *** part/#openmoko KenSentMe (~jeroen@unaffiliated/kensentme) |
| 15:53.20 | *** join/#openmoko vanInwagen (~mat@port-92-195-246-47.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 15:53.46 | mmp | DocScrutinizer: ok, will do :-) thank you |
| 15:56.50 | *** join/#openmoko pespin (~Sharwin_F@27.pool85-50-87.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 16:10.21 | *** join/#openmoko pespin (~Sharwin_F@42.pool85-50-68.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 16:12.14 | *** join/#openmoko mnt_real (~sinan@bas1-montreal43-1177754708.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 16:17.03 | *** join/#openmoko azaghal (~azaghal@91.148.113.253) |
| 16:17.36 | *** join/#openmoko bryan (~blarsen@69-165-138-104.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 16:17.47 | *** part/#openmoko bryan (~blarsen@69-165-138-104.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 16:20.43 | *** join/#openmoko cz_jc (~jc@88.146.126.102) |
| 16:47.05 | *** join/#openmoko radekp (~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz) |
| 16:48.47 | *** join/#openmoko dos11 (~dos@aeoe221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:48.48 | *** join/#openmoko dos11 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 16:49.24 | *** join/#openmoko Heinervdm (~thomas@pD9E16F94.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:53.41 | *** join/#openmoko alfatangoxt (~michele@95.235.204.111) |
| 16:54.43 | ndnihil | ooh, touchscreen vs. tablet mode in bios |
| 16:54.51 | ndnihil | hops |
| 16:54.53 | ndnihil | hopes |
| 16:55.57 | ndnihil | WOOT~ |
| 16:55.57 | ndnihil | ! |
| 16:56.33 | ndnihil | it needs calibration, but it's not epileptic now |
| 16:59.26 | *** join/#openmoko ebbe (~ebbe@users173.kollegienet.dk) |
| 17:09.36 | *** join/#openmoko plhardy (~nullix@2a01:e35:8b6a:39c0:269:ff:fe04:a1c) |
| 17:10.58 | *** join/#openmoko rob_79 (~rob@g224010168.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:12.47 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: what was the right setting? Were vid/pid changed? |
| 17:14.35 | *** join/#openmoko mmp (~mmp@adsl-dyn86.91-127-6.t-com.sk) |
| 17:14.55 | *** join/#openmoko chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-66-159-29.home.otenet.gr) |
| 17:15.43 | ndnihil | 0430:0501 now |
| 17:15.52 | ndnihil | fujitsu chipset |
| 17:16.50 | ndnihil | still labeled Sun, but it's Fujitsu |
| 17:17.27 | *** join/#openmoko Kame2 (~manuel@port-92-196-234-4.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 17:18.28 | *** join/#openmoko neomilium (~quassel@lns-bzn-29-82-248-212-118.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 17:28.25 | *** join/#openmoko Gabrys (~Gabrys@188.13.28.78.cable.dyn.petrus.com.pl) |
| 17:38.02 | *** join/#openmoko djp_ (~djp@fsf/member/djp-) |
| 17:44.10 | *** part/#openmoko der-lehmann (~stefan@188-192-133-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:47.40 | *** join/#openmoko kirun_ (~kirun@78-86-154-194.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:56.52 | *** join/#openmoko TAsn (~tasn@109-186-238-144.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 18:01.57 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (~jserv@61.57.131.211) |
| 18:04.27 | *** join/#openmoko PBeck (~PBeck@HSI-KBW-085-216-075-177.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 18:04.27 | *** join/#openmoko PBeck (~PBeck@unixboard/users/pbeck) |
| 18:04.40 | PBeck | hi |
| 18:04.54 | *** join/#openmoko rhaeder (~rhaeder@dslb-094-221-206-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:08.26 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (~Satan@82.201.174.192) |
| 18:16.21 | *** join/#openmoko tjikkun (~tjikkun@amsn/developer/tjikkun) |
| 18:22.58 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (~Satan@82.201.174.192) |
| 18:28.30 | *** join/#openmoko SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 18:29.09 | *** join/#openmoko cosmos (~cosmos@fra06-1-88-167-178-248.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:29.15 | cosmos | hello |
| 18:29.40 | cosmos | I cannot boot anymore from the nor |
| 18:29.54 | cosmos | No more boot menus |
| 18:29.57 | cosmos | only: |
| 18:30.00 | cosmos | INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall |
| 18:30.06 | cosmos | bla bla |
| 18:30.35 | cosmos | I have no micro sd card |
| 18:31.11 | cosmos | Is there any tricks with the debug board to repair my FR? |
| 18:33.14 | cosmos | wait a minute.... |
| 18:33.19 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (~Satan@41.130.213.117) |
| 18:33.31 | cosmos | I have my boot menus now |
| 18:38.46 | *** part/#openmoko plhardy (~nullix@2a01:e35:8b6a:39c0:269:ff:fe04:a1c) |
| 18:48.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 18:50.01 | *** join/#openmoko PaulFertser_ (~pavel@ppp91-78-118-183.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 19:09.36 | *** join/#openmoko eolson (~eolson@c-24-13-244-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 19:11.32 | *** join/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 19:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko dvermd (~roudoudou@78.234.93.192) |
| 19:17.32 | *** join/#openmoko mickey|zzZZzz (~mickey@openmoko/coreteam/mickey) |
| 19:27.01 | *** join/#openmoko fradeve (~fradeve@host57-77-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:28.22 | *** part/#openmoko fradeve (~fradeve@host57-77-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:30.00 | *** join/#openmoko plhardy (~nullix@2a01:e35:8b6a:39c0:269:ff:fe04:a1c) |
| 19:30.12 | *** join/#openmoko alfatangoxt (~michele@95.238.205.198) |
| 19:30.13 | Weiss | cosmos: sounds like you just needed to switch it off for a little while to think about how naughty it's been |
| 19:32.14 | MHazem | lol |
| 19:33.09 | *** part/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 19:35.13 | Weiss | (this is an established debugging technique in IT) |
| 19:38.37 | *** join/#openmoko neomilium (~quassel@lns-bzn-29-82-248-212-118.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:39.22 | *** join/#openmoko bmm (~bram@195-240-186-6.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 19:45.24 | *** join/#openmoko beersss (~beer@0x4dd40dcb.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 19:53.22 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (~clemens@91-114-179-58.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:53.42 | *** join/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 19:56.58 | *** join/#openmoko Docscrutemp (~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 20:01.12 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun (~Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 20:19.17 | *** part/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 20:19.48 | *** join/#openmoko tim_abell1 (~root@cpc1-trow6-2-0-cust207.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 20:21.07 | *** join/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 20:26.33 | *** join/#openmoko Docscrutemp (~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 20:32.00 | *** join/#openmoko der-lehmann (~stefan@188-192-133-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 20:41.35 | *** join/#openmoko alexxy (~alexxy@gentoo/developer/alexxy) |
| 20:45.34 | *** join/#openmoko octavsly (~octavsly@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 20:50.54 | *** part/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 20:56.09 | cosmos | ok how to erase a kernel on FR, just flshing it? |
| 20:56.19 | cosmos | *flashing |
| 20:57.49 | PaulFertser | cosmos: yes |
| 20:58.13 | cosmos | ok |
| 21:00.12 | cosmos | same for the rootfs isn't it? |
| 21:01.07 | PaulFertser | cosmos: sure. If you flash using u-boot. |
| 21:01.21 | PaulFertser | cosmos: if you use nandwrite, you _must_ flasherase_all first! |
| 21:04.08 | cosmos | using u-boot I have a "End of write exeeds partition end" |
| 21:04.36 | cosmos | error -60 during downloading |
| 21:05.30 | cosmos | so should I start installing the uImage and then the rootfs? |
| 21:05.51 | cosmos | I do not know how to use nandwrite |
| 21:06.53 | PaulFertser | cosmos: probably you use wrong nand partition with dfu-util |
| 21:07.10 | PaulFertser | cosmos: the order of flashing doesn't matter |
| 21:07.32 | cosmos | maybe...how to resolve that? |
| 21:09.48 | cosmos | I'm just trying to install Qtmoko v19 avfer a try on SHR |
| 21:09.58 | cosmos | *after |
| 21:10.43 | PaulFertser | cosmos: use correct partition? |
| 21:11.07 | cosmos | no idea |
| 21:11.21 | PaulFertser | cosmos: it is a suggestion, not a question. |
| 21:12.47 | radekp | cosmos: hi, use something like this: |
| 21:12.50 | radekp | dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-v19-nodebug.bin |
| 21:12.51 | radekp | dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v19.jffs2 |
| 21:15.28 | cosmos | yes, step 1 ok, step 2 downloading |
| 21:16.37 | cosmos | after that all trace of the old distribution will be erased and I'll get some free space on the fresh qtmoko install? |
| 21:27.07 | *** join/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 21:42.20 | radekp | cosmos: yes |
| 21:45.06 | cosmos | nice job radek, thanks to you and to your team! |
| 21:46.52 | *** part/#openmoko otypoks (~e55c24034@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 22:08.22 | *** join/#openmoko PaulFertser (~PaulFerts@aein-1-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 22:25.03 | *** join/#openmoko johnsu01 (~user@fsf/staff/johnsu01) |
| 22:38.26 | *** join/#openmoko fradeve (~fradeve@host57-77-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:40.29 | *** part/#openmoko fradeve (~fradeve@host57-77-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:41.49 | cosmos | is it normal to find 2 Root branches ("Root <2>") with file manager |
| 22:41.52 | cosmos | ? |
| 22:43.39 | *** join/#openmoko rhaeder1 (~rhaeder@dslb-094-221-131-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:46.41 | *** join/#openmoko Defiant (erik@ares.mailus.de) |
| 22:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | errr what? |
| 22:54.39 | *** join/#openmoko Fox_M|afk (quakeman@g226210021.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:57.14 | *** join/#openmoko spydon (~spydon@nl103-146-152.student.uu.se) |
| 23:02.39 | *** join/#openmoko mjr (mjr@aulis.sange.fi) |
| 23:12.49 | slaxxer | maybe u have 2 partitions on your card an linux is installed on both |
| 23:13.21 | slaxxer | what size are the partitions on the card? |
| 23:15.51 | *** join/#openmoko objorn (~objorn@unaffiliated/objorn) |
| 23:18.55 | *** join/#openmoko objorn (~objorn@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:18.55 | *** join/#openmoko objorn (~objorn@unaffiliated/objorn) |
| 23:24.27 | *** part/#openmoko plhardy (~nullix@2a01:e35:8b6a:39c0:269:ff:fe04:a1c) |
| 23:30.16 | *** join/#openmoko valos (~valos@78.233.104.132) |
| 23:52.14 | *** join/#openmoko SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 23:58.28 | cosmos | slaaxer: I actually have no cards |
| 23:58.34 | *** join/#openmoko stormbringer (~stormbrin@warlord.albtraum.org) |