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| 01:12.29 | gnufs | hello all |
| 01:13.02 | gnufs | i'm considering to finallytake the leap and get a freerunner A7+ |
| 01:13.38 | gnufs | i'm wondering about something that i didn't get from the wiki |
| 01:14.15 | gnufs | is the jtag interface of the debug board kit for general use or is it specific to freerunner only? |
| 01:14.27 | SpeedEvil | It can be used generally - it's a 'wiggler'. |
| 01:14.28 | SpeedEvil | But |
| 01:14.37 | SpeedEvil | you don't generally need it for FR |
| 01:14.56 | SpeedEvil | unless you're actually doing stuff for which JTAG would be of use |
| 01:15.13 | SpeedEvil | The recover y flash cannot be touched without the debug board - so ... |
| 01:17.49 | gnufs | thanks for the info. |
| 01:18.04 | gnufs | and, yes, i realize the debug board is not essential for FR use |
| 01:18.18 | gnufs | i just would like to experiment with it a little :) |
| 01:18.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:20.07 | gnufs | finally decides to buy the thing after 4 hours of reading and discussion with FR users |
| 01:21.32 | gnufs | it's not like i wasn't following it before |
| 01:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Night. /me goes to sleep. |
| 01:22.25 | gnufs | i had some chance to connect into it and to explore it myself in 2008 |
| 01:22.50 | gnufs | but i lost my phone recently and it seems have matured as a phone platform recently |
| 01:22.53 | SpeedEvil | That was probably the neo1973 - but yes |
| 01:22.57 | SpeedEvil | it has somewhat, true. |
| 01:23.08 | SpeedEvil | It is a _lot_ better than it was in many ways. |
| 01:23.35 | gnufs | good to confirm once again |
| 01:23.47 | gnufs | since i'm going to be using it as my main phone |
| 01:24.09 | gnufs | SpeedEvil: good night. |
| 01:27.21 | gnufs | now if i can only understand how to place an order handheld-linux.com :) |
| 01:28.04 | gnufs | oh, there it is! |
| 01:35.41 | gnufs | aaaand, I ordered it! \o/ |
| 01:36.00 | ndnihil | congrats |
| 01:36.56 | gnufs | one more step towards freedom :) |
| 01:38.00 | gnufs | oh and btw |
| 01:38.08 | gnufs | what's the best way to jailbreak it? |
| 01:38.15 | ndnihil | erm |
| 01:38.17 | ndnihil | no need |
| 01:38.19 | ndnihil | it's open |
| 01:38.25 | gnufs | :o |
| 01:38.27 | gnufs | tell me more! |
| 01:38.52 | ndnihil | not much more to say, it's as open a device as I've seen in a mobile phone |
| 01:39.04 | ndnihil | heck, I've had laptops that were more closed |
| 01:39.18 | ndnihil | gives the finger to qualcomm |
| 01:39.31 | gnufs | most laptops are |
| 01:39.41 | ndnihil | fingers broadcomm while he's at it |
| 01:39.41 | gnufs | the whole bios scene on x86 for example |
| 01:39.58 | gnufs | (except coreboot of course) |
| 01:40.35 | ndnihil | true |
| 01:40.44 | ndnihil | but there is the openbios project |
| 01:40.56 | ndnihil | is/was, not sure if it's still active or not |
| 01:41.37 | gnufs | it is |
| 01:41.42 | gnufs | it's renamed to coreboot |
| 01:41.46 | ndnihil | ah |
| 01:42.00 | ndnihil | been a while since I've looked into it |
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| 01:44.09 | ndnihil | no worries about the FR being locked down in any way though |
| 01:44.49 | gnufs | except for the gsm blackbox |
| 01:44.49 | ndnihil | flash your favorite flavor of recent dist, stick in your sim, and it's pretty well done for basic phone functionality |
| 01:45.14 | ndnihil | you get reasonable access to low/mid level GSM functions |
| 01:45.23 | gnufs | hopefully in 5 years we'll have a new freerunner-like free phone that also has it's own free gsm stack |
| 01:45.26 | ndnihil | you can even update the firmware on it |
| 01:45.41 | ndnihil | (which is generally recommended if it's < 11) |
| 01:46.04 | gnufs | ndnihil: a foss firmware? |
| 01:46.41 | ndnihil | hrm, well it's named moko-NN, so it's possible, but to be honest I'm not sure on that one |
| 01:47.08 | ndnihil | never needed to do anything other than update it |
| 01:47.13 | gnufs | ndnihil: well, thanks for the info anyway |
| 01:47.23 | gnufs | i'll look into that when i get a chance |
| 01:48.07 | ndnihil | did you get the a6 or a7? |
| 01:48.45 | gnufs | A7+! |
| 01:48.49 | ndnihil | nice |
| 01:48.49 | gnufs | http://losca.blogspot.com/2010/01/neo-freerunner-a7-now-available.html |
| 01:48.55 | ndnihil | no need for buzzfix |
| 01:49.11 | ndnihil | or #1024 bugfix |
| 01:49.18 | gnufs | yeap :) |
| 01:49.22 | gnufs | is a happy camper |
| 01:50.58 | ndnihil | it'll probably have current GSM firmware on it too |
| 01:52.47 | gnufs | even if the gsm functionality is closed, i'm guessing it's much more paranoid-friendly than any other phone |
| 01:52.56 | ndnihil | oh yeah, by far |
| 01:53.26 | gnufs | suspiciously looks at the people around |
| 01:53.29 | gnufs | ooooor |
| 01:53.33 | gnufs | it's a trap! |
| 01:53.46 | ndnihil | being paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you |
| 01:53.57 | gnufs | it certainly doesn't |
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| 01:54.35 | gnufs | talking about paranoia |
| 01:55.00 | gnufs | is there a FR-to-FR gsm voice encryptiong app? |
| 01:55.24 | ndnihil | not that I've seen. |
| 01:55.38 | gnufs | now that would be cool |
| 01:55.44 | ndnihil | but it'd be easy enough to set up an ssh tunnel and run voip over it |
| 01:55.46 | gnufs | and also sounds like a great project |
| 01:55.50 | ndnihil | quality would kinda suck |
| 01:56.30 | gnufs | ndnihil: i specifically want over gsm |
| 01:57.02 | gnufs | gsm is far more reachable than internet |
| 01:57.14 | mjr | there's some old talk on the lists on it |
| 01:58.04 | gnufs | mjr: but no resulting solution, or? |
| 01:58.13 | mjr | basically gprs sucks too much for decent voip except maybe delayed push-to-talk (and there's some stability issues apparently as well), you'd need csd, which I hear isn't supported everywhere anymore and may cost a premium (not that bad here though) |
| 01:58.51 | gnufs | oh, no, i'm not talking about gprs but simple gsm voice calls |
| 01:59.11 | mjr | there was a german company whose csd solution was documented so you could possibly reimplement it |
| 01:59.22 | mjr | that is flat-out impossible |
| 01:59.34 | ndnihil | not entirely |
| 01:59.44 | SpeedEvil | uou can't encrypt voice and have it secure and working |
| 01:59.55 | SpeedEvil | analog encrypt |
| 02:00.01 | SpeedEvil | the problem is you have: |
| 02:00.22 | ndnihil | intercept the signal from the mic at the sound driver, run it through crypto algo, then pipe it back into the gsm module |
| 02:00.49 | mjr | ndnihil, the gsm module does analog i/o and has a non-bypassable vocodec. |
| 02:00.50 | ndnihil | good luck decrypting it on the other end |
| 02:01.05 | SpeedEvil | mic->coder->transmitter->errors over air->reciever ->decoder->ISDN link->coder->transmitter ->errors->reciever ->DAC->speaker |
| 02:01.13 | gnufs | true |
| 02:01.14 | ndnihil | mjr: doesn't the cpu handle it before it gets to the gsm module? |
| 02:01.14 | SpeedEvil | and this is simplified |
| 02:01.20 | mjr | ndnihil, nnnno |
| 02:01.23 | SpeedEvil | the codecs on the two sides may differ |
| 02:01.24 | ndnihil | oh |
| 02:01.42 | ndnihil | then how is it possible for the voice recording apps to work? |
| 02:01.46 | SpeedEvil | the errors and the codecs act like crypto functions to non-voice-like signals. |
| 02:01.51 | ndnihil | gsm pipes it back into cpu? |
| 02:01.54 | gnufs | but that doesn't mean you can't do the encryptition in analog |
| 02:02.02 | gnufs | but it certainly wouldn't be very secure |
| 02:02.08 | gnufs | still something |
| 02:02.12 | SpeedEvil | The codecs are designed to throw away non-voice-like signals. Which means you can't do the encryption in analog. |
| 02:02.19 | SpeedEvil | As the codecs throw it away. |
| 02:02.26 | ndnihil | hrm |
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| 02:02.59 | gnufs | hmm |
| 02:03.01 | ndnihil | just go with encrypted txt messages |
| 02:03.09 | SpeedEvil | They are also designed to in the face of single bit errors produce something that sounds similar. This acts - in the face of not-very-voicelike signals that are carrying data - as a cryptographic hash |
| 02:03.09 | ndnihil | for your shady dealings |
| 02:03.10 | gnufs | it doesn't have to be too insecure |
| 02:03.13 | SpeedEvil | and screws your data. |
| 02:03.20 | gnufs | if you're willing to use one time pads |
| 02:03.32 | mjr | ndnihil, the mixer chip can direct the analog signal to/from the cpu (via a/d/d/a converters) as well as to the gsm chip |
| 02:03.42 | ndnihil | mjr: gotcha |
| 02:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Someone published a paper on this - and managed to get 1300bits/s over a GSM channel by the insane method of using a data-driven vocoder on one end - and a speech recogniser on the other end. |
| 02:04.41 | gnufs | SpeedEvil: do you have any name on it? |
| 02:05.54 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 02:06.05 | SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find the paper again. |
| 02:06.34 | SpeedEvil | I probably linked to it - or was linked to it here in ~2008 - so in principle you could look for PDFs of that sort of time in the logs. but... |
| 02:06.55 | mjr | ndnihil, you can also have the cpu do stuff in between (like alter your voice) but there are limits to how much you can usefully mangle it as SpeedEvil is busy explaining |
| 02:07.04 | mjr | you could probably do Cylon Centurion to some extent |
| 02:07.45 | gnufs | mjr: well, at least, is there such a program on FR? |
| 02:08.17 | mjr | haven't really looked |
| 02:08.42 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know, there are no speech effect altering thingys. |
| 02:09.58 | gnufs | cool, another project idea. |
| 02:10.33 | gnufs | we'll make android users cry in jealousy :) |
| 02:10.53 | mjr | probably not, but go for it |
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| 02:10.59 | gnufs | :D |
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| 04:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (vocoder) LOL. My suggestion when ever a chat about crypted GSM starts to bore me |
| 04:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | to be more precise my suggestion usually is to build a dolmetcher app to navajo OTA and back to more widespread coding on receiver side |
| 04:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm rather sure you'll learn to talk navajo much quicker than you succeed to implement a speech-to-speech realtime translator |
| 04:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | (speech effect altering thingys) sox! |
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| 04:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | or talk mrmoku into building ladspa package |
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| 04:32.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 04:59.24 | Undrwater | how realistic is the idea of discreet speech recognition for dialing? |
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| 05:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | well the cpu would whoop it |
| 05:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | any stupid N95 can do |
| 05:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the algos are rather IP |
| 05:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | there are two or three quite heavy speech2text FOSS projects I found last couple of years. Nothing lightwight for a mobile phone |
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| 08:36.40 | pooze | how do I change the illume gadget size from commandline? |
| 08:36.59 | pooze | I was just playing around with my newly upgraded SHR, when I set the size to max just to see. |
| 08:37.15 | pooze | now I can't clik the top-bar to enter illume-config anymore to reset it. |
| 08:37.33 | pooze | I also can't access the "home" and "close current application" icons there. |
| 08:37.59 | pooze | I think I found the config-file under ~/.e/e/config/illume/module.illume.cfg but it seems to be stored in some binary format. |
| 08:38.21 | raster | muhahahahahahahah |
| 08:38.31 | raster | just to thwart you |
| 08:38.33 | pooze | in that file I see some ascii text like "main_gadget_size" etc. |
| 08:38.39 | raster | it's all drm'd and locked down |
| 08:38.45 | pooze | haha |
| 08:38.52 | raster | :0 |
| 08:39.05 | pooze | I can't understand why anyone would ever want to store config-data in binary formats. |
| 08:39.09 | pooze | :( |
| 08:39.24 | pooze | what kind of format is that actually? |
| 08:39.33 | pooze | I bet one of those bytes will be the chosen size. |
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| 08:41.10 | pooze | I would be happy if anyone could point me to a solution. |
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| 08:41.57 | pooze | either how to modify the file, or, for instance start the illume-config from commandline. |
| 08:42.04 | PaulFertser | pooze: there's a decompiler for that format |
| 08:42.15 | raster | pooze: you cant understand why because you are not a programmer and you likely dont really understand just how much work is involed in parsing text for machines. :) |
| 08:42.47 | raster | pooze: the format is eet. guess what the tool is that can play with the format and export/import/encode/decode? |
| 08:43.04 | PaulFertser | pooze: as raster's explained to me, using binary format for configs makes sense when he's exposing all the controls to end-user with some nice UI anyway. |
| 08:43.14 | PaulFertser | raster: greetings :) |
| 08:43.16 | pooze | raster: parsing key-value pairs is dead simple, actually. |
| 08:44.51 | pooze | PaulFertser: if one can access that gui-tool, sure.. and if one would like to script things that "points and clicks around in a foreign application" to script different config-chances, also fine. |
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| 08:45.45 | PaulFertser | pooze: if you can use sed, you can use the decompiler tool as well. Raster did it the way it was easier for him, he's some sane reasoning ;) |
| 08:46.13 | raster | PaulFertser: boo :) |
| 08:46.22 | raster | pooze: the config isnt key-value |
| 08:46.25 | PaulFertser | Moo |
| 08:46.58 | raster | pooze: its heirachical, nested, with the ability to hold hashes, linked lists, arrays, multiple data types, arrays of lists of hashes of structs of structs of lists of... |
| 08:47.06 | pooze | raster: ok, honestly I don't know what is in the config-file. you're probably right though. :) |
| 08:47.12 | raster | its a generic datatype blasted in a portable format to disk |
| 08:47.17 | raster | and un-blasted on load |
| 08:47.23 | pooze | ok, sounds a lot tougher when you put it that way. :) |
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| 08:47.35 | raster | there is a decoder and encoder |
| 08:47.53 | pooze | xml comes to mind though, although I don't know if it's applicable to this particular config-system. |
| 08:48.07 | raster | it tags all elements with types and keys - it has blocks/chunks with sizes for fast load (no need to scan every byte first to know where to begin/end something) |
| 08:48.16 | raster | its the same format used for edj files |
| 08:48.44 | raster | so its all designed to be 1. efficient, 2. fast, 3. abel to dynamically pages file segemtns quickluy at runtim to fetch what is needed and present coe with an already de-coded data struct in ram |
| 08:48.57 | raster | and as such it can do the reverse - walk the memory struct and blast out a blob |
| 08:49.05 | raster | and yes - could have used xml |
| 08:49.20 | raster | it'd be bigger, slower and also still not that readable |
| 08:49.23 | raster | use eet |
| 08:49.35 | pooze | ok, I'll have a look at that. |
| 08:49.40 | pooze | thanks for the help anyway. |
| 08:49.51 | pooze | btw, you don't happen to know what the illume-config executable is called? |
| 08:50.00 | raster | there isnt one |
| 08:50.06 | raster | its all loaded into the wm |
| 08:50.10 | raster | modules |
| 08:50.14 | pooze | oh.. right.. |
| 08:50.29 | raster | thats why it comes up instantly |
| 08:50.34 | raster | there is no init phase |
| 08:50.41 | raster | it just re-uses the wm init |
| 08:50.47 | raster | it just adds more routines/code to do the dialog |
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| 08:51.06 | raster | efficiency focused on again |
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| 08:57.30 | pooze | raster: I think slipshelf.main_gadget_size is the one I would want to change. Do you happen to have a "sane" value I could give it? |
| 08:57.38 | pooze | like 48 or something? |
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| 09:33.51 | pooze | I've tried to play around with the eet tool now, but I can't seem to make it work. |
| 09:34.03 | brankom | Hi, I've just downloaded the SHR image shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100125-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and the corresponding md5, and they don't match. |
| 09:34.11 | pooze | I can decode the file by 'eet -d module.illume.cfg config outfile' |
| 09:34.56 | pooze | looking at the outfile, I see a struct called Illume_Cfg which holds several values, like slipshelf.main_gadget_size which is the one I want to change. |
| 09:35.12 | Heinervdm | brankom: then download again |
| 09:35.56 | pooze | but I can't seem to reach the particular key I'm looking for, eg: |
| 09:35.56 | pooze | eet -x module.illume.cfg config.slipshelf outfile |
| 09:35.56 | pooze | cannot read key config.slipshelf |
| 09:36.05 | pooze | eet -x module.illume.cfg config.Illume_Cfg outfile2 |
| 09:36.05 | pooze | cannot read key config.Illume_Cfg |
| 09:36.23 | pooze | any help on how to access the particular key using eet? |
| 09:36.42 | brankom | Heinervdm: Been there, done that. |
| 09:38.43 | brankom | I even tried comparing against nosummary md5, just in case. |
| 09:40.33 | Heinervdm | brankom: |
| 09:40.35 | Heinervdm | md5sum /tmp/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:40.36 | Heinervdm | dd909607691d8f0a5284c7a45e472daf /tmp/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:40.47 | Heinervdm | just downloaded |
| 09:40.55 | Heinervdm | so your download is corrupt |
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| 09:41.48 | brankom | Heinervdm: 0125 :) |
| 09:41.57 | brankom | Not 0115 |
| 09:42.14 | Heinervdm | oh, ok :) |
| 09:42.14 | brankom | I'm downloading 0115, though, to test it. |
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| 09:43.28 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: why so old image.. 0201 should be fine |
| 09:43.38 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: testing |
| 09:43.43 | brankom | Yep |
| 09:43.44 | JaMa|Gone | ah I see |
| 09:43.53 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: can you check checksum on buildhost? |
| 09:44.02 | JaMa|Gone | sure |
| 09:44.07 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: for me it seems to missmatch too |
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| 09:45.21 | JaMa|Gone | hehe just rechecked 0115 instead 0125 too ;) |
| 09:45.41 | brankom | ... |
| 09:45.44 | Heinervdm | it looks so similar ;) |
| 09:45.46 | JaMa|Gone | right one is 7b71f5e35e37e4f9289acb55bff665b9 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100125-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:45.56 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: no I copy&pasted your filename :) |
| 09:46.16 | Heinervdm | so question is, why do they missmatch |
| 09:46.20 | JaMa|Gone | I should upgrade my script.. |
| 09:46.38 | Heinervdm | :D |
| 09:46.40 | brankom | has a weird feeling there's a problem with 0115 as well... |
| 09:46.44 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: I run md5sum for all files where file.md5 doesn't exist.. |
| 09:47.09 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: but if I have to create image more then once a day |
| 09:47.11 | brankom | Nope, 0115 is ok. |
| 09:47.17 | brankom | Oh, and one more thing about that script of yours. |
| 09:47.19 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: then only for first image is it generated right |
| 09:47.25 | brankom | Could you have it drop the directory part when doing md5? |
| 09:47.42 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: sure |
| 09:48.14 | brankom | Also, did you consider using PGP signing as well? |
| 09:48.20 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: ok, that can be a reason |
| 09:48.28 | JaMa|Gone | problem is how to detect recreated images.. |
| 09:48.37 | brankom | Hm... |
| 09:48.38 | JaMa|Gone | as bitbake remove only image not image.md5 :/ |
| 09:48.40 | brankom | Date changes? |
| 09:48.50 | brankom | As in check if md5 is older than the file? |
| 09:48.59 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: good |
| 09:49.38 | JaMa|Gone | I'll look into it in the evening.. |
| 09:49.51 | JaMa|Gone | this whole script before rsync is stupid hack.. |
| 09:50.10 | brankom | Heheh |
| 09:50.15 | JaMa|Gone | and I want to patch image creationg in oe.dev to do that |
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| 09:51.26 | JaMa|Gone | now it just runs cd /home/shr/shr-testing/tmp/deploy/images; for i in */*.bin */*.ubi */*.ubifs */*.jffs2 */*.jffs2.nosummary */*.tgz */*.tar.gz; do if [ ! -e \${i}.md5 -a ! -h \${i} ] ; then echo MD5: \$i; md5sum \${i} > \${i}.md5; fi; done; before rsync.. |
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| 10:01.26 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: regenerated.. |
| 10:01.35 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: I'll regenerate all without path |
| 10:01.52 | brankom | Thanks :) |
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| 10:03.03 | JaMa|Gone | but PGP signing only as proper patch for image.bbclass |
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| 10:09.39 | pooze | thanks raster and PaulFertser, I finally managed to reset the size of the topshelf gadgets. :) |
| 10:09.59 | brankom | Who'll be coming to FOSDEM? |
| 10:10.31 | pooze | does anybody know where I can configure the bottom-screen buttons in SHR? There used to be three buttons, "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts". Now there are 10 buttons. Only the first one seems to work, which is the touch-screen calibration. |
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| 10:13.33 | Heinervdm | brankom: i will be there on sunday, there is a wiki page at openmoko wiki |
| 10:15.48 | brankom | Ok, decided to download 3-4 distros to test before heading over :) |
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| 10:20.13 | JaMa|Gone | pespin: autorev for emtooth set.. |
| 10:21.44 | pespin | JaMa|Gone, yay, thanks! :) |
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| 10:46.27 | brankom | Hm... e17 keeps segfaulting with 0125 |
| 10:47.31 | JaMa|Gone | brankom: testing? |
| 10:47.35 | JaMa|Gone | strange |
| 10:47.44 | JaMa|Gone | there is same efl for long |
| 10:48.57 | brankom | Yep, testing. Booting it again. |
| 10:49.10 | brankom | Any way to rerun welcome wizarD? |
| 10:49.22 | PaulFertser | brankom: remove ~/.e |
| 10:49.50 | brankom | Ok, thanks ;) |
| 10:50.56 | brankom | Hm... It seems it's much faster now. |
| 10:50.59 | brankom | Good work :) |
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| 10:55.44 | brankom | Hm... Keeps segfaulting. |
| 10:55.51 | brankom | During first-time boot wizard. |
| 10:56.02 | pooze | anybody knows where to configure the bottom buttons on SHR, or any keywords I could search for? The buttons that used to be "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts" ? |
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| 11:35.26 | brankom | I have no idea what you guys did with SHR, but it's tenfold more responsive. |
| 11:38.12 | jaacoppi | as for SHR.. my first first freerunner is in the mail at the moment. Once I get it I'm going for SHR, but should it be testing or unstable? How unstable is -u, more often broken than working or what? |
| 11:43.34 | PaulFertser | jaacoppi: currently unstable is more unstable, so if you need something you can rely on, use testing. |
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| 11:48.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | brankom: a recent update? |
| 11:50.03 | Heinervdm | brankom: so segfault gone away? |
| 11:50.32 | brankom | Well, I flashed to 0115 instead of 0125 |
| 11:50.52 | brankom | Can it be related to phone going into suspend during wizard running? |
| 11:51.38 | Heinervdm | Me stange that should be the one with the broken kernel i think... |
| 11:51.51 | Heinervdm | s/Me/hmm |
| 11:52.05 | JaMa|Gone | hmm only difference between 0115 and 0125 is kernel config |
| 11:52.08 | brankom | I've downloaded latet uimage |
| 11:52.25 | brankom | Yeah, but it's the e17 segfaulting in 0125. |
| 11:52.31 | brankom | During wizard, that is. |
| 11:53.32 | JaMa|Gone | but IIRC I moved that image with nodebug kernel and debug modules to old |
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| 12:15.23 | brankom | What would you recommend for reading the iCalendar for FOSDEM on Neo? |
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| 12:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | be warned, words starting with "i" and uppcase second char may trigger autokick in this channel ;-P |
| 12:52.22 | ndnihil | hahah |
| 12:52.41 | brankom | lol |
| 12:52.46 | ndnihil | iDunno what anyone sees in iDevices |
| 12:52.50 | brankom | DocScrutinizer: iHateApple |
| 12:53.11 | brankom | Actually, looking for something to import calendar with FOSDEM events on the phone itself. |
| 12:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | errm, Kontact once succeeded to do that (import vCalendar or somesuch) |
| 12:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think we got Kontact or Evolution on OM yet |
| 12:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | even amazed we got any calendar app |
| 12:55.23 | Heinervdm | brankom: you can write a viewer for it, that shouln't be that hard |
| 12:55.37 | Heinervdm | brankom: we have a python lib to read iCal |
| 12:55.51 | brankom | I know of Osmo |
| 12:55.56 | brankom | Ah |
| 12:56.15 | djp_ | latest shr-unstable is still causing problems for me... (4.2.2010). hit or miss at finding my network and when it does i can't make an outgoing call or to be clearer, i can't hear any ringtone or get a connection, although the person i'm calling reports receiving a call... |
| 12:56.23 | Heinervdm | don't know wich one, but it's in the depencies of pisi |
| 12:56.52 | pespin | djp_, opkg upgrade for network problem |
| 12:57.15 | djp_ | pespin: ah, ok... thanks. |
| 12:57.18 | pespin | djp_, calling problem is known bug, there's people working on it ;) |
| 12:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-04 13:15:33] <JaMa|Gone> pespin: yes.. that's the other problem with sound.. |
| 12:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-04 13:15:34] <pespin> and volume was set to 0 when I did first call |
| 12:57.40 | djp_ | pespin: i have no problem however, using the release from 1.2.2010 |
| 12:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-04 13:16:04] <JaMa|Gone> alsactl -f /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 12:58.17 | jl_gene | gpe-calendar is in OE and works with iCal (I used it last year FOSDEM) |
| 12:58.28 | pespin | DocScrutinizer, yeah, but that lets you without ringtones I think ;) |
| 12:58.33 | brankom | Ah, nice. I'll check it out. |
| 12:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's a shame |
| 13:00.42 | pespin | it was funny yesterday, hearing the ringtone but don't activating the call as I knew I couldn't hear anything in active call xD |
| 13:01.21 | pespin | btw, is there somewhere with a bluetooth HID? bt kb, mouse, etc. who wants to try out bluetooth Input connecting using emtooth and report how does it work? I've implemented this feature but I don't have a device to try it out ;) |
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| 13:10.28 | djp_ | pespin: run an opkg update and opkg upgrade... rebooting now. is that all i need to do? |
| 13:10.43 | djp_ | run=ran |
| 13:10.55 | pespin | djp_, yep, confirm libfsotransport has been upgraded (downgraded actually) |
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| 13:15.38 | djp_ | pespin: hmm, connected to network fine now, but still no ringtone... basically silence... |
| 13:16.42 | pespin | djp_, did you run alsactl order afer rebooting? |
| 13:16.44 | pespin | *after |
| 13:16.58 | pespin | you have to do it each time you reboot |
| 13:17.14 | djp_ | pespin: ah i see. |
| 13:17.27 | pespin | and after that, you con't hear ringtones, but you'll be able to hear person on call at the other side :P |
| 13:17.53 | pespin | going for lunchh |
| 13:18.27 | djp_ | pespin: cheers... enjoy lunch |
| 13:18.42 | djp_ | think i'll revert to 01.02.2010 build :) |
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| 13:32.42 | hipitihop | if I have a rootfs.img is it posisble for me to mount that on my desktop machine just to compare some files ? |
| 13:32.55 | ndnihil | -o loop |
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| 13:33.12 | ndnihil | for mount arg |
| 13:33.13 | rhkfin | Where does SHR-T save the messages, in what file? |
| 13:34.21 | hipitihop | ndnihil, sorry have done basic mounts and nfs but not familiar enough, would you mind to be more explicit |
| 13:34.37 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's not that easy to mount jffs2 |
| 13:34.53 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: no? |
| 13:36.10 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you need some way to "emulate" nand for that, so just -o loop doesn't work. |
| 13:36.15 | hipitihop | paulfertser, are all the distros rootfs in jffs2 ? in this case it is a qtmoko .img |
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| 13:36.53 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: if it was a tar archive, you'd have tar.gz i guess. |
| 13:38.05 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loopback_device_.28Kernel_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
| 13:38.17 | PaulFertser | Obvious google search shows this. |
| 13:39.36 | PaulFertser | http://wep-linux.berlios.de/mtddevices.html |
| 13:39.55 | ndnihil | is pondering converting the spykee to jffs |
| 13:40.00 | ndnihil | squashfs is annoying |
| 13:40.47 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, indeed thanks, my bad, keep forgetting google is friend |
| 13:41.04 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: google is the enemy in fact |
| 13:41.12 | PaulFertser | But it helps sometimes |
| 13:41.14 | hipitihop | don't mean to be a pain |
| 13:46.13 | pooze | anyone knows how to configure the bottom buttons on SHR? Those that used to be "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts"? Or can give me any clues as to how to search google for it? |
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| 13:54.48 | brankom | Btw, I'll flash the phone later this evening with 0125 to check if suspend during wizard was a problem. |
| 13:55.01 | brankom | Oh, and it is I - Leclerk (azaghal) |
| 14:03.25 | manitu | test |
| 14:03.27 | manitu | sorry |
| 14:06.13 | rhkfin | File for SMS's in SHR, anyone? |
| 14:08.03 | pespin|lunch | rhkfin, /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db |
| 14:10.48 | rhkfin | pespin|lunch: huh? not under /home..?! ok, then good bye messages :/ |
| 14:10.59 | rhkfin | Had to reflash, backed up /home but not /etc :/ |
| 14:12.23 | pespin|lunch | rhkfin, you can make/restore a backup from uSD using shr-settings I think :) |
| 14:12.44 | rhkfin | too late |
| 14:12.47 | pespin|lunch | it might be helpful for you next time :P |
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| 14:16.17 | brankom | What's the average suspend time for SHR now (without the deep-sleep HW patch)? |
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| 15:01.17 | uhsf | what about open source Symbian on my Neo Freerunner? |
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| 15:17.05 | mickey|office | forget about it |
| 15:17.30 | mickey|office | you will find that it's the same as all other "open source" mobile OSes |
| 15:17.38 | mickey|office | nothing can be just taken |
| 15:17.50 | mickey|office | you'll have man months work to do the device integration |
| 15:18.09 | mickey|office | if you're willing to do that, give it a try |
| 15:18.18 | mickey|office | if not, rather contribute to the existing efforts |
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| 15:24.57 | uhsf | shr is just so stagnant |
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| 15:25.34 | mickey|office | wah |
| 15:25.37 | mickey|office | i don't think so |
| 15:25.50 | mickey|office | there's tons of work in the middleware (fso) |
| 15:25.51 | mickey|office | and also on UI |
| 15:26.06 | mickey|office | but of course, with only a handfull of people, it's not progressing like hell |
| 15:26.25 | mickey|office | once FSO supports more platforms (very soon), i have hopes to see more people being interested |
| 15:26.29 | Heinervdm | i think every other system is more stagnant |
| 15:26.34 | mickey|office | correct |
| 15:27.08 | Heinervdm | when was the last update on sybian, and what has changed? |
| 15:27.47 | Heinervdm | mickey|office: are you using an ide for fso development? |
| 15:28.29 | mickey|office | Heinervdm: no really. my IDE is composed out of Geany (best editor i could find) and the console |
| 15:28.33 | mickey|office | s/no/not/ |
| 15:28.45 | mickey|office | i used to use kdevelop a lot |
| 15:28.52 | mickey|office | but they've completely ruined it in 4.0 |
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| 15:28.59 | uhsf | does fso feature gui applications? |
| 15:29.14 | mickey|office | fso is middleware layer, no UI |
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| 15:29.38 | mickey|office | we rely on things like h:1, litephone, zhone, SHR |
| 15:29.43 | mickey|office | to provide UI |
| 15:29.58 | Heinervdm | i like to have autocompletion for oo programming |
| 15:29.59 | mickey|office | paroli can be considered dead as well by now |
| 15:30.08 | mickey|office | Heinervdm: give Geany a try |
| 15:30.26 | uhsf | qtmoko also and enlightenment |
| 15:30.39 | uhsf | i mean qtopia |
| 15:30.51 | mickey|office | yep, qtopia is dead. EFL is being actively used in many projects |
| 15:32.31 | d1b | is paroli actually dead? |
| 15:33.37 | d1b | mickey|office: kate is still a good editor |
| 15:34.14 | mickey|office | yes, they're sharing the same editor component, kate and kdevelop |
| 15:34.32 | mickey|office | for some reason the 4.x version is no longer my style though |
| 15:35.00 | d1b | mm i loved the initial kate of kde4 |
| 15:35.00 | mickey|office | d1b: well, no one declared its official death, but the only people who work on are the pyneo guys |
| 15:35.04 | d1b | really nice colours and stuff. |
| 15:35.17 | d1b | but then they made it brown ... and it isn't configurable. |
| 15:35.28 | d1b | mickey|office: geany mm i should try that .... |
| 15:35.31 | d1b | i like vim and kate. |
| 15:35.45 | mickey|office | the thing i like w/ geany is its fast |
| 15:35.51 | mickey|office | that's where gtk actually shines these days |
| 15:35.58 | mickey|office | not very comfortable UI, but very fast |
| 15:36.13 | d1b | it looks ok ... |
| 15:36.32 | d1b | aah it looks bad to me i guess |
| 15:36.37 | mickey|office | hehe |
| 15:36.46 | mickey|office | editors are taste |
| 15:36.49 | d1b | none of them other than kate sync the terminal to the current working files dir |
| 15:36.50 | mickey|office | much as programming languages |
| 15:36.58 | d1b | i have seen really |
| 15:37.34 | d1b | i don't see any autocompletion in geany |
| 15:37.45 | mickey|office | it's there |
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| 15:40.46 | Wonka | hm... at 25c3, I tried to talk to the pyneo guys about what they wanted to do... |
| 15:40.54 | Wonka | I did not receive _any_ useful answer. |
| 15:41.13 | d1b | Wonka: is that even still around? |
| 15:41.39 | Wonka | d1b: they were at 26c3 again. I did not try to talk to them there though. |
| 15:42.38 | Wonka | not even after I took my FR out of my pocket and mentioned that I already hat done stuff that got into SHR did they open up in any way... |
| 15:43.22 | d1b | odd... |
| 15:43.45 | Wonka | I asked myself why they even advertized their presence with banners when they react in that way to outside people |
| 15:43.48 | uhsf | i didn't know about h:1 and litephone but shr still seems to be the best choice |
| 15:44.02 | Wonka | I don't know litephone |
| 15:44.04 | d1b | shr > |
| 15:44.33 | Heinervdm | Wonka: litephone is a one in all Qt app |
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| 15:44.47 | Wonka | and h:1 looks way too much like factory default software to me, which was... well... SHR is better. |
| 15:45.04 | d1b | actually the default wasn't that bad |
| 15:45.04 | Wonka | I'd like some debian that's much more shr-like |
| 15:45.22 | d1b | Wonka: there are a lot of shr things packaged already |
| 15:45.28 | d1b | have a look |
| 15:45.35 | Wonka | i've seen shr-dialer |
| 15:45.55 | Wonka | last time i updated is some weeks ago though |
| 15:46.05 | Wonka | 3 or 4 |
| 15:46.26 | d1b | mmm i had shr kernel panic just being connected in via usb |
| 15:46.30 | d1b | testing ... |
| 15:46.41 | uhsf | i'm really looking for arch-arm to feature fso (arch linux is my favorite distro). but that still leaves me without phone gui applications |
| 15:47.00 | Wonka | I got a 16GB uSDHC, so debian being bigger than SHR would not matter that much |
| 15:47.29 | mickey|office | uhsf: might want to take a look at lightphone, or cook an own GUI app |
| 15:47.51 | uhsf | next time i will flash the internal memory. uSD is too slow for applications |
| 15:47.52 | d1b | how is valla anyways? |
| 15:47.54 | Wonka | uhsf: phonefsod; phoneuid for incoming; shr-dialer, shr-messages, shr-contacts for outgoint? |
| 15:48.30 | Wonka | for "sometimes i just need something that just works" zhone miiight be suitable |
| 15:49.11 | Wonka | I'd like a way to disable the GSM call handling stuff in zhone though. |
| 15:49.24 | uhsf | i don't know if i could use the maemo5 dialer on top of arch-arm and fso |
| 15:49.41 | Wonka | I like the GSM cell display thingie and the GPS stuff. |
| 15:50.29 | Wonka | (I even sent in patches to improve the latter - #493 #495 #497) |
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| 15:50.55 | Wonka | seems mickey hasn't really time for them until now |
| 15:51.27 | mickey|office | i suck |
| 15:51.33 | mickey|office | Wonka: do you want commit access? |
| 15:51.51 | Wonka | might help |
| 15:51.53 | mickey|office | uhsf: if you want to drag the whole middleware in, then you can use maemo. be warned though, lot of it is closed. |
| 15:52.02 | Wonka | but I don't know if I want the responsibility ;) |
| 15:52.05 | mickey|office | hehe |
| 15:52.07 | mickey|office | don't worry |
| 15:52.09 | mickey|office | it's an SCM |
| 15:52.12 | mickey|office | we can revert |
| 15:52.18 | mickey|office | send me your SSH key |
| 15:52.18 | Wonka | I know trac... |
| 15:52.34 | Wonka | where to? |
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| 15:52.50 | Heinervdm | no one is really using zhone, so there aren't a lot that will spank you |
| 15:53.19 | Wonka | especially the GPS UI stuff is very useful, IMO |
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| 15:59.34 | uhsf | what is phoneuid? |
| 15:59.52 | Heinervdm | the ui deamon |
| 16:00.11 | Heinervdm | it caches the screens |
| 16:00.40 | Heinervdm | because of that the shr apps are so fast |
| 16:01.11 | d1b | oooh |
| 16:01.15 | d1b | really? |
| 16:01.38 | Heinervdm | not all till now |
| 16:03.29 | uhsf | so i still need shr-dialer over this |
| 16:03.58 | Heinervdm | you need libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr too |
| 16:04.12 | uhsf | opimd and ogsmd in all this? |
| 16:04.14 | Heinervdm | shr-dialer is just a wrapper fro libphone-ui-shr |
| 16:04.49 | Heinervdm | don't know if it will run without opimd |
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| 18:13.53 | djp_ | what jffs2 file is best to use with the latest uimage (9.1.2010)? (i'm referring to shr-unstable) |
| 18:14.32 | Heinervdm | 1.2. |
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| 18:15.50 | djp_ | Heinervdm: ah, right... this one then, shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100201-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2? |
| 18:16.11 | Heinervdm | yes |
| 18:16.14 | djp_ | Heinervdm: thanks |
| 18:18.03 | Weiss | is anyone else playing with UBIfs? it's loads faster.. |
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| 18:18.40 | olivierm | hi there |
| 18:19.05 | olivierm | just wondering : how could help a distro (namely "shr-testing") use an "assigned" mac adress? |
| 18:19.31 | olivierm | like described here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F |
| 18:19.32 | olivierm | ? |
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| 18:22.12 | Heinervdm | olivierm: shr-testing uses these mac adresses |
| 18:22.28 | olivierm | damn |
| 18:22.42 | olivierm | why do it announces different adress on every connection then? |
| 18:23.19 | Heinervdm | it doesn't do that for me |
| 18:23.51 | olivierm | hint : I'm booting on the SD card with uboot |
| 18:24.12 | olivierm | when it worked, it was an shr-unstable (an old one, before the return of testing) on the internal flash |
| 18:24.21 | olivierm | maybe it's related? |
| 18:25.16 | Heinervdm | don't know |
| 18:25.56 | olivierm | I suppose there is a way for userland to set MAC adress, isn't it? |
| 18:29.21 | SpeedEvil | ifconfig eth0 mac:33:22;33 or something like that |
| 18:29.23 | SpeedEvil | man ifconfig |
| 18:30.16 | olivierm | yup, hw and such |
| 18:30.20 | olivierm | found it afterwards |
| 18:30.22 | olivierm | but thanks |
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| 18:39.17 | mickey|zzZzzz | Wonka: argh, i didn't copy the /query, could you send me your key agian? |
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| 18:48.26 | Wonka | mickeyl: resubmitted ;) |
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| 19:38.03 | Gabrys | hi guys |
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| 19:41.12 | tomcatek | Gabrys: hi :] |
| 19:43.11 | Gabrys | does someone actually recommend cheap li-poly high capacity batteries for FR from ebay like this one http://cgi.ebay.pl/Li-POLYMER-AKKU-fuer-NOKIA-wie-BL-5C-BL5C-1100-1101-1112_W0QQitemZ370256375219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZHandy_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item5634ffedb3 |
| 19:43.13 | Gabrys | ? |
| 19:44.09 | Gabrys | are those real li-poly or just some regular ones with fake labels |
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| 20:14.18 | djp_ | is the #1024 bug present in the gta02a7? |
| 20:14.36 | djp_ | or is it only earlier models? |
| 20:14.50 | PaulFertser | djp_: it is present in all mass-production models |
| 20:15.29 | djp_ | PaulFertser: i see, thanks. |
| 20:15.34 | PaulFertser | djp_: probably some devices are lucky to have a slightly bigger capacitor (due to normal deviation) but do not count on it. |
| 20:15.59 | PaulFertser | djp_: i mean some devices might be more suspectible to #1024 than others, but no revision contained any fixes, so they're all the same. |
| 20:16.03 | djp_ | PaulFertser: sure. :) |
| 20:16.17 | PaulFertser | djp_: recently some european shop announced they're selling A7+, with the fix applied. |
| 20:16.37 | PaulFertser | djp_: in fact i applied the fix myself on 3 devices so far and it was ok. |
| 20:16.57 | djp_ | PaulFertser: yes, i noticed that... golden delicious |
| 20:19.02 | djp_ | PaulFertser: thanks for the info. i wasn't sure whether any factory freerunners were shipping with the fix. so basically the a7+ is a third-party fix. |
| 20:19.50 | PaulFertser | djp_: yes, exactly :) |
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| 20:39.42 | Weiss | has A7+.. it's nice :) |
| 20:40.17 | PaulFertser | has buzz+bass+1024 fixed A6. And it sucks :| |
| 20:40.40 | Weiss | :( |
| 20:40.49 | Weiss | in what ways? |
| 20:41.58 | PaulFertser | Weiss: too small and clumsy for typing text, too high consumption with wifi (and wifi doesn't work with all APs), too slow and unreliable as a cellphone etc etc. |
| 20:43.07 | Weiss | I'd agree on the text.. ATM I have a small stylus which is nice, but old-style numeric keypad text entry (eg for SMS) would be a much better fit for the hardware |
| 20:43.46 | ThibG | so, I'm not the only one thinking this way? |
| 20:44.15 | Weiss | not at all |
| 20:44.27 | dos1 | has not fixed at all A5 and is happy with it :P |
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| 20:44.35 | Weiss | we have to work with the deficiencies of the device, rather than pretending they don't exist |
| 20:44.47 | ThibG | I was told that illume's keypad was good enough |
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| 20:46.03 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i tried using styluses but it's the same efficiency as with my finger. |
| 20:46.38 | Weiss | I find it's a bit faster, but I agree that both aren't good |
| 20:46.49 | PaulFertser | And the bevel's stupid :| |
| 20:47.21 | Weiss | a great big numeric keypad, possibly plus sounds and/or vibrations, could be great |
| 20:48.09 | Weiss | slower than a "proper" keyboard on something with a bigger screen and no bevel, but MUCH less annoyin |
| 20:48.13 | Weiss | +g |
| 20:49.47 | ThibG | btw, isn't the widget already here? |
| 20:52.53 | dos1 | multipad keyboard? |
| 20:53.02 | dos1 | from om2007? |
| 20:53.14 | dos1 | (or multitap, i don't remember exact name) |
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| 20:54.01 | Weiss | yeah, probably.. |
| 20:54.28 | Weiss | although if it's from OM2007 then it's probably GTK, which is to be avoided (also to play to the strengths of the hardware) |
| 20:55.45 | ThibG | I was more thinking about what shows up when asking for the PIN, but I don't know if there's anything behind |
| 20:57.16 | Weiss | wonders if the bits to make it do multi-tap are there already |
| 20:57.36 | dos1 | ThibG: that's just simple edje widget, without any posibility to act as non-numeric keyboard (yet?) |
| 20:57.57 | dos1 | (it doesn't even act as keyboard, just like buttons in application) |
| 20:59.14 | ThibG | ok |
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| 21:17.19 | rhkfin | Anyone using evopedia on moko? Does SHR kernel has everything needed for squashfs? |
| 21:17.38 | rhkfin | and loop device |
| 21:17.41 | rhkfin | SHR-testing |
| 21:18.37 | rhkfin | ah, kernel-module-squashfs.. |
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| 21:19.36 | rhkfin | ok, it's installed by default. good. |
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| 21:39.22 | pespin | rhkfin, I've used evopedia with ventura browser and works quite well ;) |
| 21:39.32 | pespin | I opened a tract for package request in feeds |
| 21:39.53 | rhkfin | ok, nice |
| 21:40.42 | rhkfin | I try to find my 8GB card - but I face the fact that it's told that dump creation takes days, would need a finnish dump tomorrow. But never mind - don't have the space on the uSD :) |
| 21:41.57 | JaMa|Gone | pespin: for ventura? |
| 21:42.44 | pespin | JaMa|Gone, for evopedia ;) |
| 21:42.49 | JaMa|Gone | ok :) |
| 21:43.19 | pespin | rhkfin, you can download a predumped one |
| 21:43.41 | pespin | I downloaded the spanish one (thought I'd like to find the engkish one) which occupied 2,2 Gb |
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| 21:45.14 | rhkfin | pespin: can't find one in finnish |
| 21:45.21 | Heinervdm | there is no install rutine for evopedia... |
| 21:45.31 | rhkfin | Heinervdm: ? |
| 21:46.00 | Heinervdm | rhkfin: there are just some pics and some python scripts in the repo |
| 21:46.07 | Heinervdm | but no makefile or setup.py |
| 21:46.40 | rhkfin | oh :/ |
| 21:47.02 | rhkfin | this installed ok: http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3-r1_any.ipk |
| 21:47.07 | rhkfin | but don't know about sources etc |
| 21:47.13 | pespin | yes, that one worked well for me |
| 21:47.41 | badcloud | has anyone had people complain about incall noise using shr-u? |
| 21:47.54 | Heinervdm | rhkfin: there is no nice way for a bitbake recipe |
| 21:48.01 | Heinervdm | only the ugly way |
| 21:48.14 | rhkfin | :/ |
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| 21:49.13 | Wonka | on my way home, IRCing via ssh over gprs... |
| 21:50.28 | pespin | Heinervdm, the best thing to do would be contact with the author and tell him to add some script? |
| 21:51.07 | Heinervdm | yes, ask him to add a distutils install file |
| 21:51.07 | slaxxer | what no opkg upgrade on testing? |
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| 22:22.43 | pespin | Heinervdm, mail sent ;) |
| 22:22.52 | Heinervdm | thx :) |
| 22:23.45 | pespin | Heinervdm, as I can see in repo, it should be as easy as taring the "package-openmoko" dir to create an ipkg file, am I wrong? |
| 22:24.32 | Heinervdm | pespin: but that's not like it's working with bitbake |
| 22:24.50 | pespin | ok |
| 22:26.35 | Heinervdm | pespin: and in that dir is an older version of evopedia as far as i can see |
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| 22:37.51 | jbick | Could anyone help with a problem I am having sshing into my phone? Its been a year since I've worked with the phone and I don't remember what I am doing wrong |
| 22:38.32 | tomcatek | jbick: what are You doing? |
| 22:38.55 | jbick | im trying to ssh into the phone by doing shh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 22:39.04 | tomcatek | and? |
| 22:39.32 | jbick | The default root password is blank correct? |
| 22:39.58 | jbick | I am getting permission denied and I reflashed the kernel and rootfs to go back to defaults |
| 22:40.04 | Heinervdm | jbick: depends on the image you are using |
| 22:40.11 | jbick | om2008.12 |
| 22:40.38 | Heinervdm | i think there it was blank... |
| 22:40.57 | tomcatek | jbick: You might need to set the password |
| 22:41.32 | badcloud | anyone know the 1-liner that turns autosuspend off in shr? |
| 22:41.36 | jbick | tomcatek: how can I do that without ssh working? There is no terminal program installed |
| 22:47.06 | tomcatek | heh... |
| 22:47.08 | tomcatek | strange |
| 22:53.53 | jbick | tomcatek: actually I just got in...I found some scripts I used to have that seemed to get it to work |
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| 23:14.42 | slaxxer | is the feb 04 shr-unstable working? |
| 23:15.53 | Heinervdm | no wait for the 05 one |
| 23:16.57 | slaxxer | ok |
| 23:17.34 | JaMa|Gone | slaxxer: what time does it have? :) |
| 23:17.39 | JaMa|Gone | images are ready |
| 23:17.56 | JaMa|Gone | and they will have 04 in name |
| 23:18.03 | JaMa|Gone | not rsynced yet |
| 23:18.29 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: with all fso fixed? |
| 23:18.38 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: yes |
| 23:18.56 | Heinervdm | hmm github refuses connection |
| 23:19.03 | slaxxer | not yet |
| 23:19.25 | slaxxer | oo ok 04 it is |
| 23:19.36 | slaxxer | ? |
| 23:19.43 | badcloud | what about opkg upgrade on shr-u? safe? |
| 23:19.50 | slaxxer | im seeing 12:34 |
| 23:20.09 | Heinervdm | slaxxer: it has to sth with 23:xx |
| 23:20.15 | slaxxer | ok |
| 23:20.36 | Heinervdm | badcloud: it's not syned, you have to wait some minutes |
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| 23:22.10 | slaxxer | will testing be upgraded also? |
| 23:22.21 | slaxxer | or not? |
| 23:22.33 | Heinervdm | not now |
| 23:22.34 | tomcatek | slaxxer: it already is |
| 23:22.52 | slaxxer | i only see md5sums on o4 |
| 23:22.59 | JaMa|Gone | slaxxer: still not rsynced.. |
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| 23:23.03 | JaMa|Gone | slaxxer: w8 |
| 23:23.34 | JaMa|Gone | slaxxer: i guess spatz will pull todays shr-u next week or so.. if no new issue is found |
| 23:23.52 | slaxxer | ssssssSSSSSSSHHHIIIIK,PPPOOOWWWWWWW |
| 23:24.29 | badcloud | Heinervdm: syned=synchronized? |
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| 23:25.14 | Heinervdm | badcloud: yes |
| 23:25.48 | badcloud | is there a website that tracks upgrade-abilty? |
| 23:26.16 | Heinervdm | no |
| 23:26.33 | badcloud | so each time I gotta bug you guys ;P |
| 23:26.52 | slaxxer | this is the website |
| 23:27.05 | badcloud | this.. is... SPARTA |
| 23:27.20 | Heinervdm | some guys were posting the status on identi.ca |
| 23:28.45 | JaMa|Gone | hehe |
| 23:29.24 | badcloud | Heinervdm: and then they just stopped? |
| 23:29.41 | Heinervdm | no idea |
| 23:30.01 | badcloud | hell, I'd be willing to twit it |
| 23:30.07 | badcloud | just email me |
| 23:30.56 | JaMa|Gone | I can twit it too.. but usually I'm ocupied enough trying to fix it :) |
| 23:31.57 | badcloud | which is where I could come in handy. I don't know how to fix it ;) |
| 23:31.59 | Heinervdm | JaMa|Gone: still not synced? |
| 23:33.33 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: no rootfs of lite image still running :/ |
| 23:33.49 | Heinervdm | ok :) |
| 23:34.10 | slaxxer | 13:05 is latest |
| 23:34.38 | badcloud | gonna shove off to bed |
| 23:34.41 | badcloud | night |
| 23:34.51 | Heinervdm | goes too |
| 23:35.12 | JaMa|Gone | wants to see Lost first :) |
| 23:36.05 | JaMa|Gone | but I was at work about 38hours already this week so I can be a bit late tomorrow :) |
| 23:36.42 | Heinervdm | And how many hours have you worked for your work? ;D |
| 23:41.45 | slaxxer | synced |
| 23:42.02 | slaxxer | 0204 images anyways |
| 23:44.51 | JaMa|Gone | Heinervdm: pssst! |
| 23:44.58 | Heinervdm | :) |
| 23:45.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 23:49.22 | JaMa|Gone | building gta01 images.. |
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