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| 03:56.03 | Psi | i assume the batteres in the spares pack on direct.openmoko.com are the gta02 type? |
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| 09:38.44 | H_u_m | badcloud: You are right, double tap while playing mp2 doesn't work |
| 09:39.29 | H_u_m | You have to tap on the video screen, imho |
| 09:40.03 | H_u_m | q works |
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| 09:44.33 | PaulFertser | Psi: is it hard to solder ~12k to GND on your gta01? |
| 09:44.45 | Psi | to the case |
| 09:44.53 | Psi | ive only soldered the cap in |
| 09:44.55 | PaulFertser | Then you'll be able to use any bl6c |
| 09:44.59 | Psi | ah |
| 09:45.14 | Psi | what about the origional battery? |
| 09:45.18 | PaulFertser | bl-5c or gta02 batter or whatever |
| 09:45.27 | PaulFertser | What do you mean? |
| 09:45.45 | Psi | if i solder this 12k in will i still be able to use the gta01 battery? |
| 09:46.07 | PaulFertser | Hm, if you isolate its ID pin, yes |
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| 09:47.29 | Psi | so this 12k just tells the phone the temp sensor is at the correct temp. From then on, you just isolate the id pin on all batteries and everything is happy |
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| 09:54.48 | Psi | PaulFertser: ^ |
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| 10:09.59 | PaulFertser | Psi: you can leave id pin non-isolated on nokia batteries since it's ~75k and on gta02 bat since it's \inf i guess. |
| 10:11.45 | Psi | ah |
| 10:11.47 | Psi | got ya |
| 10:12.22 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 10:13.12 | PaulFertser | 10k is the middle point for pcf50606 with 10k reference (like it's used on gta01). |
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| 10:14.25 | Psi | do you know if any rotate code has changed in shr in the last few months |
| 10:14.42 | Psi | xrandr -o left doesnt seem to work any more |
| 10:18.51 | PaulFertser | I guess they're using x.org now and it was xfbdev kdrive before. |
| 10:18.57 | Psi | ah |
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| 10:33.26 | Psi | heh, its a little slow, but space quest 4 is running in dosbox :) |
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| 15:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | suggests to desolder(/rework for gta02 maybe) the ID pin of battery connector. And use a 10K Thermistor placed on bottom of battery recession i a small hole drilled to the case plastics there, rather than a mere 12k resistor. You probably could recycle the one to be found in GTA01 battery ;-) |
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| 19:28.51 | stongo | hello. |
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| 19:29.24 | stongo | was there any documentation or mailing lists exchanges about how volume was fixed on SHR-U? |
| 19:29.27 | stongo | does anyone know? |
| 19:31.05 | SeligArkin | Please hold for the next available operator. |
| 19:31.53 | SeligArkin | But in all seriousness, just wait, someone will pop up with the answer sooner or later |
| 19:33.01 | stongo | ok, that's good. I was just testing the latest android-on-freerunner-RC. It's still struggling with call volume issues |
| 19:33.04 | stongo | but it's really good otherwise |
| 19:34.06 | SeligArkin | I rather liked Android on my freerunner, but I decided to re-purpose my moko as a general-use geek-toy instead of a phone |
| 19:34.35 | SeligArkin | And I say "General use geek-toy" cause I havn't decided what all I will make it actualy do yet. :P |
| 19:35.07 | stongo | this new android release is really wicked for a geek-toy |
| 19:35.10 | stongo | it's android 2.0 |
| 19:35.23 | stongo | and pretty much all the apps that are developed for android now work |
| 19:35.30 | stongo | and the wifi intergration is seamless |
| 19:35.33 | SeligArkin | Heh |
| 19:35.38 | SeligArkin | Can it handle hidden networks now? |
| 19:35.55 | stongo | and the browser is unrivaled |
| 19:36.05 | stongo | I don't know. but there's lots of wifi software that works for it now |
| 19:36.07 | stongo | 3rd party |
| 19:36.37 | SeligArkin | Ah |
| 19:36.59 | SeligArkin | I'd like to get my hands on a proper android device sometime, like the google nexus. :3 |
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| 19:58.47 | cosmos | hi |
| 20:00.03 | cosmos | problem: I've close the FR during the initial charge of the battery, thinking closing the gps app. |
| 20:00.27 | cosmos | after that the FR doesn't start anymore |
| 20:00.45 | cosmos | so I've removed the battery and booted again |
| 20:01.36 | cosmos | so do I fucked my battery? |
| 20:02.30 | cosmos | I precise that it was the first charge of the battery |
| 20:02.51 | SpeedEvil | no - generally not. |
| 20:03.31 | SpeedEvil | try just removing batery and usb - wait 5 min - put battery in, and connect USB. Now leave for several hours |
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| 20:07.06 | cosmos | Is it important to wait 5 minutes? I didn't wait 5 minutes... |
| 20:07.52 | SpeedEvil | it is probably not needed to wait 5 mins - >10 seconds certainly - and exactly where the breakpoint is ... |
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| 21:11.29 | cosmos | ironically I had just now a power outage in my home... |
| 21:11.42 | ndnihil | why is it ironic? |
| 21:12.36 | cosmos | so do I have to unplug the usb connexion, put out the battery and replace the battery again? |
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| 21:13.31 | cosmos | because I've closed my FR and replaced the baterry to boot it again few minutes ago, during the initial charge of the battery |
| 21:13.42 | cosmos | damned |
| 21:14.31 | cosmos | I hope to already get a reasonable charge of the battery to use the FR more than 1h30 |
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| 21:16.35 | ndnihil | ah, initial charge |
| 21:16.50 | ndnihil | plug it into a USB hub that's attached to a UPS |
| 21:17.08 | ndnihil | or plug the wall wart into a UPS |
| 21:21.24 | cosmos | So I get my FR just today and I'm looking to put a good microSD card inside |
| 21:21.51 | cosmos | 16 go should be ok |
| 21:22.02 | ndnihil | I've got a 16G card in mine |
| 21:22.15 | cosmos | which one? |
| 21:22.27 | ndnihil | dunno, let me check |
| 21:22.39 | cosmos | kingson? |
| 21:23.28 | ndnihil | I want to say it's a sandisk, but I'll know for sure in a second |
| 21:23.32 | ndnihil | its powering down now |
| 21:24.26 | ndnihil | yep, sandisk, micro sdhc |
| 21:24.48 | cosmos | and which OS are you using on your FR? |
| 21:25.46 | ndnihil | shr |
| 21:25.51 | ndnihil | an old shr-testing |
| 21:26.05 | ndnihil | september of 09 I think |
| 21:26.16 | cosmos | Can you use debian packages on shr? |
| 21:26.24 | ndnihil | nope |
| 21:26.30 | ndnihil | but you can put debian on your fr |
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| 21:26.56 | cosmos | and can you phone with the debian OS? |
| 21:27.04 | ndnihil | I believe so |
| 21:27.37 | ndnihil | well, the answer is "yes you can" |
| 21:27.52 | ndnihil | but I'm sure you're asking about available packages that make it work like a regular cell phone no? |
| 21:27.54 | cosmos | maybe that's possible to install .deb packages by converting them in .ipk |
| 21:28.07 | cosmos | yes |
| 21:28.11 | ndnihil | some packages might work |
| 21:28.16 | ndnihil | but many will have dependency issues |
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| 21:28.56 | ndnihil | SHR is fine for phone use |
| 21:29.10 | cosmos | ok I sould get a try |
| 21:29.29 | ndnihil | but since I'm no longer using it as a primary phone, I'll be putting debian on it for media playing and GPS in the car |
| 21:29.33 | cosmos | how many are we using the FR in the world? |
| 21:29.38 | cosmos | 20000? |
| 21:29.45 | ndnihil | dunno |
| 21:29.50 | ndnihil | one of the OM guys would better know that |
| 21:30.13 | ndnihil | there's a bunch out there |
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| 21:47.39 | cosmos | the original keyboard of openmoko2008 is really shitty |
| 21:47.50 | cosmos | impossible to write something |
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| 21:48.17 | cosmos | does SHR has a better keyboard? |
| 21:48.52 | ndnihil | I dont recall what the 08 kb looked like |
| 21:48.58 | ndnihil | I like the terminal kb in shr |
| 21:49.04 | ndnihil | but I use a stylus |
| 21:49.12 | ndnihil | my fingers are too large for any of them without |
| 21:50.02 | cosmos | I think the problem for me comes with the autofill text |
| 21:50.09 | ndnihil | oh |
| 21:50.12 | ndnihil | yeah fuck that noise |
| 21:50.20 | ndnihil | I disable predictive text on every device I own |
| 21:50.24 | ndnihil | cant stand it |
| 21:50.31 | cosmos | and no way to disable it |
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| 21:58.07 | cosmos | yes I think this little machine have a great potential |
| 21:58.55 | cosmos | 400 MHz is not soo bad |
| 21:59.08 | ndnihil | eh, not for a phone |
| 21:59.25 | ndnihil | but when it's treated like a laptop it can become slow and annoying |
| 22:00.39 | cosmos | that would be great if some devs could port puredata on FR! |
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| 22:15.41 | pieterc | mickeyl: rgauthier on identi.ca asks if people can buy the wikireader @fosdem |
| 22:16.47 | mickeyl | pieterc: i would be surprised |
| 22:16.53 | mickeyl | there's no one from Openmoko there |
| 22:17.01 | mickeyl | or at least i don't know about that |
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| 22:19.46 | pieterc | mickeyl: that's what I thought |
| 22:19.53 | pieterc | I invited Sean though |
| 22:20.10 | pieterc | but he had a important meeting somewhere else |
| 22:21.12 | pieterc | quote: I really appreciate the offer but I will be on a business trip to the States now for a very important meeting about our WikiReader. Please let me know how things go and I'll do my best to make it next year. |
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| 22:22.13 | tOkeshu | hello |
| 22:24.20 | pieterc | hi |
| 22:25.13 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:25.16 | mickeyl | sounds nice |
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| 22:33.24 | pieterc | it'd better be important :D |
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| 22:40.16 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:40.26 | mickeyl | i'm not sure whether the typical FOSDEM audience would give Sean a warm welcome... |
| 22:41.18 | pieterc | why's that? |
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| 22:52.14 | mickeyl | i think most of the people don't appreciate killing the phone and coming out with a wikireader instead |
| 22:53.58 | ndnihil | certainly doesnt |
| 22:54.09 | ndnihil | I can read wiki on the phone |
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| 22:55.34 | SpeedEvil | Sean had a lot of vision. |
| 22:55.42 | SpeedEvil | (s) |
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| 23:35.06 | pieterc | I understand his decision though |
| 23:35.28 | pieterc | in the end he does releases another hardware device that's open as well |
| 23:35.44 | pieterc | and we can still develop everything we had in the first place |
| 23:35.58 | pieterc | You won't see me cry ;-) |
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