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01:07.27Serdarhi there
01:08.24Serdarthere is a devroom at fosdem-sunday from 9-12 so if there is any interest some projects can be present there.
01:12.48Serdar[02:00]  <yaloki> 1) subject of each talk + name of the speaker for each talk
01:12.49Serdar[02:00]  <yaloki> that I need ASAP
01:12.49Serdar[02:00]  <yaloki> 2) description of each talk
01:12.49Serdar[02:00]  <yaloki> 3) bios of speakers (with photo is nice, but not obligatory)
01:12.49Serdar[02:00]  <yaloki> 4) description of the project
01:13.19Serdar[02:02]  <yaloki> as said, everything to devrooms@fosdem.org
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05:17.56ndnihilkicks paul-trigger in the bits
05:18.06ndnihilget it together bot
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05:19.25ndnihilffs
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05:20.47ndnihilkill -9 `pidof paul-trigger`
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05:20.56ndnihilthat bot is uselss
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05:21.10ndnihiland just as annoying as the floods it seems
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05:38.44SeligArkinam thge only one that finds it amusing they are using CTCP VERSION now for some reason?
05:39.57SeligArkinOh well, sleepy time now.
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05:40.58ndnihilI find it annoying that they're flooding period
05:41.01ndnihildont care how it comes
05:41.27SeligArkinI mwnt when surpressing the annoyance. :P
05:41.31ndnihilthen paul-trigger dumps another page and a half of +R/-R well after the flood is done
05:41.53ndnihilall they need to do is +m the channel and add a delayed +v for onjoin
05:42.10ndnihilI even did up a bot config for them that did as such
05:42.24SeligArkinCould the CTCP VERSION bypass +m though?
05:42.39ndnihilnot to the channel
05:42.50ndnihilit could if it were directed at individual users
05:43.03SeligArkinHuh
05:43.29SeligArkinAnyway this.sleep()
05:43.35ndnihilthese spambots are doing (essentially)  /ctcp #openmoko version
05:43.47ndnihilwhich would (on most ircds) be stopped by +m
05:44.18ndnihilif they joined and then did a  /ctcp <user> version  for everyone in the channel
05:44.24ndnihil+m wouldnt do shit about it
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05:53.36ndnihilfucking seriously?
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05:56.14QuadducPaulFertser: Fix your bot please!
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05:56.26ndnihil^what he said
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05:56.58ndnihilit's just as annoying as the spam
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05:59.45FxChiPgod damn it :/
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06:01.10FxChiPfucking
06:01.17FxChiPis there a reason they flood *this channel*?
06:01.19FxChiPcome on now
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06:01.39ndnihilhigh user count
06:01.41ndnihilis my guess
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06:03.28ndnihiland here we go with another two pages of +R/-R
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06:03.32ndnihilshakes his head
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06:04.12FxChiPwtg stupidbot
06:04.12Quadducping lindi- TAsn
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06:04.28ndnihilI've already pm'd lindi- TAsn and PaulFertser
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06:04.32ndnihilnobody is awake
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06:04.48ndnihilI even gave paul a bot config that would fix this shit
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06:04.58ndnihilbut it's apparently not being used yet
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06:05.25FxChiPfuck
06:05.34FxChiPwhy not just require registered nicks to join the channel
06:05.39FxChiPevery other project does it
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06:05.52ndnihilputs off noobs or something
06:06.14ndnihilheck, it would have annoyed me when I first started coming here
06:06.22Kamping_Kaiserowned .edu domain :/
06:06.32Kamping_Kaisers/domain/host
06:06.47ndnihilthats a machine in the dorms
06:06.49FxChiPthat's nice :/
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06:06.54Kamping_Kaiserhm... when did i wind up with +v
06:07.14Kamping_Kaiserassumes its one of those 'everyones +v' motions
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06:07.18ndnihila student clicked on the same spam it's sending
06:07.33FxChiPfuck
06:07.39Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: ah, right.
06:07.42Kamping_Kaisershould have thought of that
06:07.44FxChiPI have to write a script or something
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06:08.08ndnihilyeah, thinking about writing a module for irssi that ignores someone when they first join
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06:08.10FxChiPon ctcp { if [ $type == "VERSION" ] complete; }
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06:08.24ndnihiland unignores them after 10-15 seconds
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06:08.52ezekielPaulFertser: could you please kill paul-trigger
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06:09.00ndnihilhe's not awake
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06:09.03ezekielPaulFertser: it's just really... not working.
06:09.03FxChiPffffffffff
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06:09.22FxChiPwhy the -R'ing as well as the +R'ing
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06:09.32FxChiPis the output buffer just that much crowded with shit
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06:09.39ezekielit's supposed to react to periods of bot-like activity
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06:10.04ezekielthen clear up the +R when it's over. Obviously not working.
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06:10.24FxChiPit's almost as if it's stuck in a while loop
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06:10.39FxChiPor like being stuck in a while loop would produce similar results
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06:10.43ezekiellindi-: TAsn could either of you kick paul-trigger ?
06:10.58Kamping_Kaiserfarking
06:11.02FxChiPhelp me Obi Wan ChanServ, you're my only hope
06:11.37ndnihilezekiel: they arent awake
06:11.40ndnihilor around
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06:11.54Kamping_Kaiserwonder if i can be bothered /j freenode
06:11.56FxChiPcan/should we get an oper?
06:12.12ndnihilif you're friendly with one by all means ask them for help
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06:12.26ndnihilbut typically they dont get involved in channel specific issues
06:12.40ezekiel#puppet is getting hit a lot harder than #openmoko - but paul-trigger is adding needless noise to the mix.
06:12.44Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: they are willing to if there are no ops around
06:12.47FxChiPah, hmm. I'm not really 'in' with them, so.
06:12.52ndnihilask away then
06:13.36ndnihil/stats o isn't showing any for me
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06:13.49ndnihilthey probably have it blocked
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06:14.00ndnihilugh
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06:14.04ndnihilhere we go again
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06:15.50Kamping_Kaiserwerdan7: paul-trigger , obviously enough :(
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06:16.07ndnihiltasn!
06:16.17Kamping_Kaiserit lives!
06:16.36TAsnnow one thing left, kicking ndnihil, <Quadduc and ezekiel for waking me up :P
06:17.02TAsnj/k, ciao (work)
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06:17.35ndnihilop me!
06:17.40ndnihilI will sort this shit out
06:17.40DominianJust have to make it two more days folks.
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06:17.44ndnihilugh
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06:17.56Kamping_Kaiser:@
06:18.07naliothany ops around?
06:18.11Dominianthere was one
06:18.13Dominianhe went back to work :)
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06:18.44Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: 'arvo
06:18.52ndnihilarvo?
06:19.45Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: roughly translates to 'greetings good sir, i trust your afternoon is satesfactory'
06:19.54Kamping_Kaiseraccepting that its not arvo where he is though *g*
06:20.10ndnihilah, no that's a new one to me :)
06:20.18ndnihilwelsh?
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06:20.25ezekielaussie?
06:20.30Kamping_Kaiserezekiel: yup
06:20.39ezekielSat'dy 'arvo
06:20.59Kamping_KaiserThursday actually :)
06:21.01ndnihilheck I've even got friends and family in .au and never heard that one
06:21.09ezekielI'm just looking forward :)
06:21.19ndnihilwhat part of .au are you in?
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06:22.02Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: the state of South Australia
06:22.13ndnihilmaybe its a regional thing
06:22.19ndnihilmost of my contact there is NQ
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06:22.52ndnihilin any case, `arvo back at ya
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06:22.56Kamping_Kaiser:)
06:23.28naliothif you guys get msg'd by one of these infected machines, please let us know
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06:23.46ndnihilwe're just getting the CTCP to channel lately
06:23.46Kamping_Kaiserwilco.
06:23.54TAsnabout bdipllwirvxc and rua
06:24.01TAsnyou should contact network opers
06:24.02nalioththey've msg'd others in other channels
06:24.07TAsnthey deserve a k-line not a kick
06:24.16ndnihilwe got msgs a couple days ago
06:24.17TAsnnvm
06:24.22TAsnthey already got a k-line
06:24.23TAsn:)
06:24.25ndnihilbut the ones hitting here seem to have moved on to ctcp
06:24.29naliothanyone know bipolar?
06:24.44TAsnanyhow, now for real, ciao.
06:24.50FxChiPNO
06:24.52FxChiPTASN
06:24.53ndnihiltasn: op someone before you leave
06:24.54FxChiPoh wait
06:24.57FxChiPYEAH
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06:25.50TAsnciao.
06:25.55ndnihilnalioth: my guess about bipolar is it's just someone whose client responds poorly to the floods
06:25.56ezekielsaints be praised
06:25.56Kamping_Kaiser'later
06:26.00ndnihilit's not a random string
06:26.02ndnihilthanks tasn
06:26.05TAsnnp
06:26.14Kamping_Kaiserndnihil: for king!
06:26.41FxChiPndnihil rules!
06:26.44FxChiPall hail ndnihil!
06:26.48ndnihilhah
06:26.52naliothndnihil: in another channel there was a "non random string" entity join/part flooding (inhmananly fast)
06:27.18naliothndnihil: anyway, glad you're here.  i set +R
06:27.19ndnihilah, didn't know that, but have seen them before
06:27.30ndnihil:)
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06:28.28FxChiPahh... silence
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06:28.50ndnihilshakes his had
06:28.51Kamping_Kaiserwonder what cht exchange is
06:28.55ndnihils/had/head/
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06:30.07ndnihilhrm
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06:30.59ndnihilback in a few
06:31.01FxChiPndnihil
06:31.02FxChiPNOOOOOOOO
06:31.09Kamping_Kaiser:s
06:31.11ndnihiljust a few minutes
06:31.19FxChiPNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:31.27Kamping_Kaiserbraces for impact
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06:31.35FxChiPD:
06:31.35ndnihilit's +R
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06:31.48FxChiPthat doesn't mean they're not assholes!
06:31.49ndnihilall you'll get are join/part messages
06:32.00FxChiPisn't there a mode to prevent them joining entirely?
06:32.06ezekiel+r
06:32.07ndnihilyeah, +i
06:32.19FxChiP+r means registered channel, I thought
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06:32.25FxChiP+i is invite-only which is probably bad :D
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06:32.33ndnihilI think +r is only people with registered nicks can join
06:32.42ezekielmost of the crew here considered +r bad
06:32.44naliothndnihil: correct
06:32.53ndnihilyeah, they weren't too fond of the +r idea
06:32.54ezekielbut it would "fix" our issue
06:33.17ezekielwith +R noobs can join, they just can't speak
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06:33.39naliothyou can set +r so it forwards unidentified users to ##register-with-nickserv
06:34.22ndnihilnalioth: I would, but most of the higher-ups around here are pretty sour on that idea
06:34.56naliothyou have the same setting now, but can be greatly inconvenienced by the join/parting
06:34.57FxChiPD:
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06:35.45ndnihilthey weren't fond of +R either, just the temporary +R that paul-trigger was poorly implementing
06:36.21nalioth+r is just as tempoarary, and serves a side purpose of getting legit users to register
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06:36.45FxChiPfffffffffffffffffffff
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06:46.53ndnihilah, nice and quiet
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06:50.24ndnihildoh, just realized my FR hasn't been charged in two weeks
06:50.27ndnihilstill boots
06:55.40PaulFer``Hm, indeed.
06:55.47ndnihilmornin paul
06:55.57PaulFer``ndnihil: it used to work because freenode klined the spammer automatically fast enough before
06:56.12PaulFer``And yes, now the 'bot' became more of a problem than the spam itself probably
06:56.13ndnihilit was pretty obnoxious earlier
06:56.17PaulFer``I saw the log
06:56.18PaulFer``Sorry
06:57.05Kamping_Kaiserwb PaulFer``
06:57.11ndnihilit's +r at the moment, but I know you guys werent too fond of that idea
06:57.24ndnihilso I can bring in a bot with the delayed +v if you like
06:58.14PaulFer``ndnihil: it would be nice. I didn't get enough time to fully finish my eggdrop configuration :|
06:58.24PaulFer``ndnihil: or probably there's no need to bother.
06:59.02PaulFer``ndnihil: we can keep the channel +R during EU nights and just monitor it during days, there's only several days left before guys migrate to the new server software anyway.
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07:00.22ndnihilonly took a few seconds
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07:00.28ndnihilI still had that config from when I sent it to you
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07:00.30Kamping_Kaiserwtf
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07:00.41ndnihilthere's a lot of people to voice
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07:00.51Kamping_Kaiserwhy are they getting voiced?
07:00.58ndnihilfor the +m with delayed +v to work
07:00.58Kamping_Kaiserwoo, working bot
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07:01.02Kamping_Kaiserah right
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07:01.26ndnihilit's set at a 10 second delay
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07:01.45ndnihilshould be long enough to catch the flooding, but short enough to keep from being too annoying
07:02.25ndnihilwe'll still get the join/parts though
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07:02.59ndnihilI guess we'll find out
07:03.01PaulFer``ndnihil: (that config) well, that was basically just few lines for #openmoko.
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07:03.46ndnihilyeah, it didn't need to be overly complex
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07:04.08PaulFer``ndnihil: 10 sec is too short apparently.
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07:05.37ndnihilhang on a sec
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07:07.07ndnihil20 seconds not enough either
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07:07.37ndnihilit's kicking them fairly quickly though
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07:08.06QuadducCould it kick on the first CTCP?
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07:08.24ndnihiloh
07:08.26ndnihilduh
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07:08.32ndnihilcouldnt figure out why I wasnt seeing them
07:08.35ndnihilI have all ctcp ignored
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07:08.48PaulFertserndnihil: it's ctcp now but the spammers were using normal msgs as well.
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07:09.05alabdHello , any GUI app for BT pairing on shr-t  ?
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07:12.10ndnihillet see how 30s does
07:12.14ndnihils/let/lets/
07:12.20ndnihilstabs apt
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07:14.01ndnihilhrm, that seems to work
07:15.44PaulFer``ndnihil: yep, just joins/parts but those are inevitable.
07:16.21ndnihilmuch better than 2 pages of ctcp followed by 2 more pages of mode changes :)
07:17.07PaulFer``indeed
07:17.12PaulFer``Big thanks
07:17.15ndnihilnp
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07:19.32FxChiPseriously? the bot does that?
07:19.37ndnihildoes what?
07:19.39FxChiPs/seriously/Seriously/
07:19.48FxChiPs/the/The/
07:19.55FxChiPThat wins
07:20.07FxChiPs/seriously/Seriously/ s/the/The/
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07:20.11ndnihilit just does a delayed voice when the channel is +m
07:20.20FxChiPahh
07:20.25ndnihil+m shuts them up for 30 seconds
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07:25.45ndnihilhrm
07:25.52ndnihilgabrys should have been voiced by now
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07:27.28ndnihilodd
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07:28.29ndnihildoesnt seem to want to autovoice after a config rehash
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07:29.53ezekielover 30 seconds - pizza is free!
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07:34.01ndnihilweird
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07:38.45PaulFer``Now it works, seems nice
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08:03.53alabdwhen humble make pairing ON a message pops up on onother bt device to enter passkey but after entering pass and OK on fr , emooth gives error
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08:05.31ndnihilthere
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08:14.21PaulFer``Now we'll just wait for Doc to wake up and set ENTRYMSG to explain users they just need to wait.
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08:15.28ndnihilyou can set it :)
08:21.48octavslyPaulFer``: Unfortunately I recognize many of this in my company :-( ... thus thinking of leaving for some time.
08:22.27octavslyPaulFer``:sorry wrong channel. I was talking about  ***stefan_schmidt reads http://lwn.net/Articles/369880/ and is amused
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08:28.18PaulFer``ndnihil: i tried but failed
08:29.57*** mode/#openmoko [+o ndnihil] by openbrokeo
08:30.00*** topic/#openmoko by ndnihil -> 30 second voice delay | READ http://blog.freenode.net ! || Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
08:30.03PaulFer``ndnihil: because for that i need special chanserv permissions
08:30.15PaulFer``ndnihil: i was talking about ENTRYMSG for the chan.
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08:30.28ndnihilah, that one
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08:31.25ndnihilnever reads that anyway :)
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08:33.36alabdwhere does packages go after opkg install  ?
08:34.05alabdand where is /etc/apt/sources.list for shr ?
08:34.13ndnihilshr doesnt use apt
08:34.17ndnihilor dpkg
08:34.46ndnihilsources are defined in /etc/opkg
08:35.30ndnihilI dont think packages are retained by default
08:35.53alabdndnihil:  thanks you mean the file is all-feed.conf
08:35.54alabd<PROTECTED>
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08:35.58slaxxeropkg upgrade work on shr testing/
08:36.01slaxxer?
08:36.17ndnihil/etc/opkg/<name>.conf
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08:36.29ndnihilwhere name is whatever you want to name any additional sources
08:36.40ndnihilif you dont want to merge them into all-feeds
08:37.49alabdthanks
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08:42.43PaulFer``ndnihil: should we invite the same bot to #openmoko-cdevel? There were attacks on it too.
08:42.52ndnihilif you like
08:44.00PaulFer``I do
08:44.46ndnihiloops
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08:46.33ndnihilcan you re-op it?
08:46.42ndnihilhad a typo in the config and it died
08:48.25PaulFer``Sure
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08:48.46ndnihilshould work on both channels now
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08:49.14Serdarhi there
08:49.48Serdaris there any interest for representing some projects t fosdem?
08:57.31ndnihilwhat kind of projects?
09:05.46Serdarany kind openmoko releated.
09:06.03SerdarSHR, hackable:1, qtmoko...
09:06.26Serdarthere is a free devroom for fosdem sunday at 9-12
09:06.48ndnihilah
09:06.52Heinervdmfosdem rejected our request for a devroom
09:06.58Serdarthe android-on-freerunner project will (hopefully) present their status etc. so there is a lot of time
09:07.21Serdarour?
09:07.23Serdarshr?
09:07.30Serdarh:1?
09:08.14Heinervdmgeneral request for openmoko
09:08.22Heinervdmwas discussed on the community ML
09:09.20Serdarhuh. I discussed yesterday/this morning with someone and he told me, that there is a room for 3 hours and I I should ask for some openmoko releated stuff.
09:09.24Heinervdm2009-12-02: FOSDEM 2010: Devroom for openmoko declined
09:10.27HeinervdmThen you should ask on the community ML
09:10.53ndnihil8 days isn't a lot of time to prepare a presentation
09:11.02SerdarI am directly asking Pascal Breser, he is a coordinator of fosdem
09:11.42ndnihiland arrange travel, etc..
09:11.52Serdardidn't you prepare a presentation at 2009-12-02?
09:12.07HeinervdmThere are some people going to fosdem
09:12.55Heinervdmmickey|tv: ^
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09:14.08Heinervdmhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010
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10:43.41*** topic/#openmoko is 30 second voice delay | READ http://blog.freenode.net ! || Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
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11:05.08PaulFer``ndnihil: your bot is acting great. /me wished he knew a week ago setting up eggdrop is that easy...
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11:38.01DocScrutinizercoughs WTFrrrrrrgh
11:38.38DocScrutinizerhad a funny morning, kids?
11:38.48PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: oh yeah
11:39.31DocScrutinizerCTCP spammers not klined anymore? or what?
11:41.25PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: yes, they're not
11:41.55PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: and now ndnihil configured his bot to do delayed voicing here.
11:42.05DocScrutinizerseen this
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11:48.22hipitihopis there an updated nodebug kernel as yet ? last one there was some discussion about gsm and wifi due to to timing issues
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11:59.11zeroedoutradek released one for qtmoko that should work fine on shr. uimage-v17.bin or something like that
12:00.17zeroedoutlol, i see you know that from your question in #qtmoko I have no gsm or wifi issues I think that was ppl forgetting to install modules (or dumping them in the wrong place)
12:00.41zeroedoutfyi, this is on qtmoko
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12:15.48hipitihopanyone tried or is running the eclair build of android ?
12:16.11Serdaryes
12:17.31Serdarhipitihop, the Android-on-freerunner Project is set for this.
12:18.28hipitihopSerdar, thanks nobody seems about in that channel
12:18.38Serdarhuh?
12:18.43Serdarin which channel?
12:18.58SerdarI wrote there one minute ago.
12:22.28Serdardo you guys interested in presentation at fosdem?
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12:28.39DocScrutinizerTAsn: why did you kick paul-trigger? wouldn't it have been sufficient to unvoice or deop it?
12:28.48PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: who cares
12:28.56DocScrutinizerme
12:29.33DocScrutinizertasn had no method to make paul-trigger rejoin, after he kicked it
12:29.57PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: paul-trigger spammed hard and i was going to return in the morning anyway...
12:29.58DocScrutinizerthat's not so welthought behaviour
12:33.28DocScrutinizerwell just asking, no bashing :-)
12:36.14DocScrutinizeranybody knows eir details?
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12:53.52DocScrutinizer...as in >>the freenode utility bot “eir.<<
12:54.37Serdarhow's with presentation on fosdem?
12:54.59Serdaris there any interest and someone who want's to present?
12:55.06DocScrutinizer>>eir is a freenode utility bot platform. Originally written to manage voicing in #defocus, subsequent utility components, such as the replacement for dircbot, have since been added.<<
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12:56.36DocScrutinizerI'd love the idea of a server-based bot to manage the chan, rather than a remote dropegg (thanks nevertheless, ndnihil :-] )
13:01.52DocScrutinizerndnihil: PaulFer``: why openbrokeo has lifted all bans?
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13:15.44PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: it's the way it works. There's a total limit for bans, so it lifts unused bans.
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13:16.22DocScrutinizerhmmm
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13:19.39DocScrutinizerPaulFer``: any rationale against going from +V to +R?
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13:20.07PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: with +R everybody needs to be registered which i consider annoying.
13:20.52PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: with +m and autovoicing it's a matter of 30 seconds to start chatting for everybody.
13:23.15DocScrutinizerPaulFer``: with +R registered users don't have to wait for openbrokeo to voice them while unregistered users are voiced same way like when channel is +m
13:24.26PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: reasonable if it works exactly this way. I just do not know these details.
13:24.58DocScrutinizerI've checked this for CIA-47, seems to work
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13:26.03DocScrutinizerfsck!!
13:26.10PaulFer``deop it temporarily
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13:26.59PaulFer``You've to admit it's fast :)
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13:27.17PaulFer``In fact banning flooders after the 3rd message.
13:27.20DocScrutinizerharrharr
13:27.23PaulFer``ndnihil: ping ^^^
13:28.29PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: i can now configure an eggdrop of my own this evening, i've already learned how to do that. But i bet ndnihil's host is more reliable than the bipserver :|
13:28.45DocScrutinizerack
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13:41.33PaulFer``Kick him and do while he's not watching :) I think he'll try to reconnect but i'm not sure.
13:42.54DocScrutinizerit can always check chanmodes any arbitrary time and act accordingly
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13:44.31DocScrutinizermaybe I can tell chanserv to make -m sticky :-P
13:44.59DocScrutinizerguess what'll result from that
13:45.34DocScrutinizer~seen ndnihil
13:45.36aptndnihil is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'and arrange travel, etc..'.
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13:47.37PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: no, ndnihil said it doesn't enforce modes upon entry.
13:48.29DocScrutinizerso how make it enter once I kick it? Exactly same issue I objected to Tasn
13:49.14DocScrutinizers/enter/join
13:50.49PaulFer``No idea, a good bot should rejoin automatically :)
13:51.01PaulFer``Do not bother, it's nice already.
13:51.07DocScrutinizeryeah but I dunno if it's a good bot
13:52.03DocScrutinizerit's not nice, as now user has *no* way to recover from a borked bot
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13:54.54DocScrutinizerand obviously supervision/admin of openbrokeo isn't lightning fast. So expect extended periods of serious functionality impacts whenever openbrokeo goes offline or any other way borks
13:56.08DocScrutinizerI actually don't like bots that by concept of operation deprive chan owners of parts of their power
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13:58.18DocScrutinizerwell...
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13:59.09PaulFer``He's fast
13:59.17DocScrutinizerhahaaahaahahahaaaa
13:59.20PaulFer``Ban him, change mode, unban
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13:59.46DocScrutinizermaybe I just do 1) of that list :-S
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14:00.25alabdPaulFertser:  how to use that script that way it does  have problem ..
14:00.29PaulFer``DocScrutinizer: if you want i'll invite my eggdrop later in the evening and give you full access.
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14:00.39PaulFer``alabd: what problem is exactly like?
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14:00.50PaulFer``Too slow :)
14:01.12alabdzip: stdin: not in gzip format
14:01.12alabdtar: Child returned status 1
14:01.12alabdtar: ./control.tar.gz: Not found in archive
14:01.12alabdtar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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14:01.47alabdare you sure it should be used like dpkg-scanpackages ?
14:02.53alabdare u sure Paul ?
14:03.00alabdsee here http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed#Generate_the_Packages_file_with_ipkg-make-index.sh
14:03.12PaulFer``alabd: no, i'm not., probably you start it in a wrong directory.
14:03.23PaulFer``Where you have no packages or some extra files.
14:04.44alabdthe above link says different way PaulFer
14:05.09PaulFer``Then i'm wrong, follow the link...
14:05.38alabdit says this #ipkg-make-index.sh ~feed/ > ~feed/Packages
14:06.14DocScrutinizer. ~feed??
14:06.26DocScrutinizeruser feed?? o.O
14:06.35alabdhttp://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed#Generate_the_Packages_file_with_ipkg-make-index.sh
14:06.42PaulFer``alabd: i told you the same
14:07.20alabdPaulFer you see there is no packages.gz file
14:07.24alabdit is packages
14:07.42alabdand it didn't use gzip
14:08.06PaulFer``alabd: it uses gzip after that i guess. Packages should be gzipped.
14:09.07alabdPaulFer The script will output a "Packages" file to stdout which can then be piped into the Packages file of the feed directory.
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14:13.20DocScrutinizergrumbles and wanders off to prepare another coffee, and swallow another few pills
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14:46.47init[1]can any one please share data sheet of Samsung SC32442B ,http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Main_components we have dead link here ,moreover samasung wants me to register with a company email id,if at all i have to download the datasheet from http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=SC32442 ,as i'm a student i don't have one.
14:47.49SpeedEvilmake one up
14:48.02SpeedEvilinit enterprises of berlin.
14:48.30PaulFer``It's easier to download from someone. But sorry, i do not have it :|
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14:49.45init[1]SpeedEvil: PaulFer`` doesn't they do a email validation? is samsung that dump :P
14:49.59SpeedEvilyes - they may do.
14:50.07SpeedEvilSupply a working email address
14:50.26init[1]When registering, you must use official company email account. Users with personal
14:50.29init[1]email account will NOT be provided with an access.
14:50.38init[1]from the site^
14:50.53SpeedEvilhowever - I'm not sure how much they check - companies vary from simply an unverified email address works fine and you autodownload the datasheet - to you have to take the repreasentative out to a nice dinner
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14:51.13SpeedEvilinit[1]: yeah - however - registering a buisness like site is pretty trivial.
14:51.15init[1]SpeedEvil: hm
14:51.27SpeedEvilregister initone.com - which you can use for personal email.
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14:51.50init[1]SpeedEvil: yea got cha.
14:51.51SpeedEvilSketch out a quick template site - bang it on the top with contact details - and a picture of a puppy.
14:52.00init[1]:D
14:52.03SpeedEvilAnd a domain name can be handy for all sorts of things
14:55.30init[1]SpeedEvil: what is your opinion about  http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/shop/gizmos/computing/flow/flow-g1-5.html
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14:56.51init[1]Gizmo Flow it seem good but really really really costly full blown config would cost 800+ Euro
14:57.21SpeedEvilinit[1]: not intrinsically insane - but - why not the n900 forex?
14:57.48init[1]gling n900 forex
14:58.12SpeedEvilnokia.com
14:58.14SpeedEviln900
14:58.28init[1]oops my bad ..
15:07.21SpeedEviln900 is of course much less documented on the hardware siefe - so that might be a negative
15:08.12SpeedEvilside
15:08.51init[1]SpeedEvil: exactly i was wondering why you suggested n900,coz i put flow into wishlist for entirely "open" reason.
15:09.47SpeedEvilah.
15:09.56SpeedEviln900 is - in some aspects quite open.
15:10.11SpeedEvilIt's a hell of a lot more open than most phones.
15:10.31SpeedEvilThere are closed elements.
15:10.45SpeedEvilThere is little closed stuff - before the X server comes up.
15:10.59SpeedEvilThere is however little hardware documentation
15:11.07Wonkahow's GSM?
15:11.18init[1]do you have any other suggestions? what is your view towards flow ? they say its PITA to make one and cost is reasonable. well i'm waiting for Flow 2 which may be much less around ($200-$300)
15:11.18Wonkais X usable with OSS only?
15:11.24SpeedEvilWonka: yes
15:11.35WonkaI'd like SHR on Nexus...
15:11.40SpeedEvilWonka: though the graphics accel requires a binary blob AIUI
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15:12.43DocScrutinizererrr
15:13.00DocScrutinizerat least I prefer maemo5 to android
15:13.05Serdarhi
15:13.37WonkaDocScrutinizer: I don't want Android... I want Nexus with SHR :)
15:13.49DocScrutinizerand please help me out on "how's GSM?"  -  "yes"
15:14.04Serdarhm?
15:14.05WonkaDocScrutinizer: that must've been the answer to "is X usable with OSS only?"
15:14.14WonkaSerdar: not you
15:14.17init[1]DocScrutinizer:yea seriously i hate be a java guy ,i don't get the point what do they have to use Java even when their app doesn't run on a JVM.
15:14.24WonkaSpeedEvil: so, how's GSM in N900?
15:14.29SpeedEvilWonka: not looked at GSM
15:14.57WonkaSpeedEvil: my FR is my mobile IRC device... so GSM, GPRS, 3G is essential for me
15:15.15DocScrutinizerWonka: works great
15:15.16Serdarinit[1], they use their own jvm
15:15.37DocScrutinizer51usually online 24/7 as you see
15:15.37init[1]Serdar: yea i know , have to read about java moto ?
15:15.48WonkaDocScrutinizer: GSM in N900? or what? OSS only?
15:15.54init[1]"Code once run everwhere"
15:15.59init[1]every
15:16.00DocScrutinizer51though most of the time via wlan
15:16.11Serdarinit[1], you mean motto, right?
15:16.13DocScrutinizer51gsm on N900
15:16.22Wonka'k...
15:16.33Serdarthe problem of java is, that they don't allow work with hardware directly.
15:16.44init[1]Serdar: yes indeed my fingers are wounded atm. :)
15:16.53WonkaDocScrutinizer: somehow I had heard there was a BLOB for GSM...
15:17.02DocScrutinizersure there is
15:17.35DocScrutinizeryou got a blob for gsm on FR as well, though on FR it resides on BP rather than AP
15:17.35WonkaDocScrutinizer: Firmware BLOB I don't mind... but everything on my Host Processor should be OSS, please.
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15:18.06SpeedEvilWonka: some bits need reverse engineered on the n900 to get to that state
15:18.07init[1]Wonka: did you consider gizmo flow ?
15:18.08Serdarinit[1], the difference is, that jvm use pda's and dalvik vm use register_machine's
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15:18.18Wonkainit[1]: didn't hear about that yet
15:18.28Serdargizmo is useing android afair.
15:18.43init[1]Wonka:  http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/shop/gizmos/computing/flow/flow-g1-5.html
15:18.46Wonkawants dalvik for SHR too, btw...
15:18.48SpeedEviln900 is much more of a 'normal' linux system than n900
15:18.49init[1]Serdar: yea
15:18.52SpeedEvilerr
15:18.55SpeedEvilandroid
15:19.01DocScrutinizeranyway I doubt any other phone except Neo is partially as "free" as N900 maemo5
15:19.04Wonkaso we'd be able to run 'droid apps on SHR, and native apps too
15:19.25WonkaDocScrutinizer: ack.
15:19.39DocScrutinizerand this holds true especially for those android platforms
15:19.58Wonkabut still, nexus is coool hardware.
15:20.03DocScrutinizerjust on android nobody even cares about blobs in AP
15:20.07Wonkathat trackball... compass...
15:20.16Serdarblobs in AP?
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15:20.44SerdarWonka, there is a compass?
15:20.49DocScrutinizerlike RIL for modem
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15:21.05N900evilLinux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown
15:21.27Serdaraah N900 evil
15:21.30DocScrutinizeri.E. the gizmo has as many blobs in AP domain as maemo5 I suppose
15:22.04SerdarI don't understand what "blobs in AP" means.
15:22.06DocScrutinizermegaevil
15:22.21SpeedEvilblobs on the application processor
15:22.21SerdarI never heard a word called blob
15:22.29SpeedEvila binary object with no source
15:22.39WonkaSerdar: says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_One
15:22.40DocScrutinizerSerdar: closed binaries in main system kernel to drive peripherals
15:23.08WonkaBLOB == Binary Large OBject ;)
15:23.11DocScrutinizerbinary large object - maybe
15:23.33Serdarahh
15:23.40Serdarit's a shortcut
15:23.50DocScrutinizer~wtf blob
15:25.11DocScrutinizer~wtf -t comp blob
15:25.20DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> wtf -t comp blob
15:25.22DocScrutinizerBLOB: binary large object
15:26.32DocScrutinizerSerdar: an acronym to be precise
15:26.52DocScrutinizerlike AIDS or RAM
15:28.06Serdaryeah
15:28.38Serdar~wtf blob
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15:29.04DocScrutinizerapt only knows standard acronym database
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15:29.40DocScrutinizerblob is defined in /usr/share/misc/acronyms.comp
15:29.47DocScrutinizercomputer database
15:29.53init[1]~wtf POSIX
15:30.06init[1]:D
15:30.13init[1]~wtf UNIX
15:30.26DocScrutinizer~poke init[1]
15:30.27aptACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind init[1], pokes init[1] repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
15:30.40init[1]:P
15:30.58Serdar~poke apt
15:30.59aptACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind apt, pokes apt repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
15:30.59SeligArkin~make me a sammich
15:31.00aptmake: *** No rule to make target `me a sammich'.  Stop.
15:31.04SeligArkin:(
15:31.06Serdaroh works
15:31.26Serdarwtf? it runs shell scripts?
15:31.41SeligArkinI doubt that
15:31.46Wonka~sudo make me a sandwich
15:31.47aptokay
15:32.07Serdar~toast
15:32.08aptmethinks toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......
15:32.18Serdaroh
15:32.53Serdarmaybe it should be /me thinks
15:33.00SpeedEvilI love toast with marmite. But afterwards it burns when I pee.
15:33.17SeligArkinSpeedEvil: thats not from the toast, thats from the hookers. :P
15:33.28DocScrutinizer~dict marmite
15:34.23Serdarhow's with presentation at fosdem, is there no interest?
15:34.52DocScrutinizer(see FZ: "why does it hurt when I pee?"
15:35.18SpeedEvilSeligArkin: (re the previos apt)
15:36.05SeligArkinSpeedEvil: I am just being random and silly
15:36.39DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcBkwulvXs
15:36.57init[1]is there any similar project like Gizmo Flow that you people are aware of ?
15:37.37SpeedEvilinit[1]: pandora?
15:37.49SpeedEvilinit[1]: badgerboard
15:38.08SpeedEvilinit[1]: mini2440 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
15:38.26init[1]SpeedEvil: pandora is gaming thingy ,i mean smart phone :)
15:38.45SpeedEvilno.
15:39.07SpeedEvilWhat do you plan on doing with this phone?
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15:40.56init[1]SpeedEvil: well my intention is ofcourse daily use more than that for educating my self by building  my own mobile phone stack with linux a base :)
15:41.28SpeedEvilI'd say that teh n900 is the best bet - personally - if you want to take advantage of a large community.
15:41.38SpeedEvilwander over to ##mer - for example
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15:41.48SpeedEviland ask about current status
15:41.58SpeedEvilmer is maemo without the closed source bits - largely.
15:41.59DocScrutinizerduh, #mer, not ##mer
15:42.04SpeedEvilyeah
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15:42.18init[1]i love to learn :) ,atleast a mini2440 with GSM module would make me happy :)
15:42.27SpeedEvilgetting hardware on the assumption that you will do it all yourself all too foten ends up in dissapointment.
15:42.41SpeedEvilDo you really have several thousand hours to spend duplicating effort?
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15:43.24SpeedEvilWhen you could make real contributions to a project that might have tens of thousands or more of users - with a polished internet connection widget for mer - say
15:43.26init[1]SpeedEvil: yea i have cosidered that, this is just my hobby (time is also a factor)
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15:53.03DocScrutinizerwooooot, 201 users
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16:42.34alabdWhat is the problem with this ? http://pastebin.com/m456332fe
16:48.36Serdarhi mickey|tv
16:50.36TAsnDocScrutinizer, didn't think about it :P
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16:52.31DocScrutinizerTAsn: np
16:58.59mickey|tvSerdar: hi. i did lots of additions to mdbus2 over the last two days. It's still not finished, but you should be able to do much more, like, calling with simple commands and listening for signals etc.
16:59.33Serdarmickey|tv, huh?
16:59.47Serdarmickey|tv, I was asking about fosdem presentation :)
17:01.33mickey|tvoh, mixed you up then
17:01.36mickey|tvwhat did you ask?
17:03.21SerdarI talked with pascal bleser yesterday to know if we got a devroom for our project, he said no but he has a room for 9-12 on sunday.
17:03.36Serdarso we can present our project but there is plenty of time for more
17:03.42mickey|tvawesome
17:03.58Serdarso we can join forces.
17:04.00mickey|tvthat's on truly short notice, but we should accept it and ask for some lightning talks
17:04.33mickey|tvi can present something about FSO without preparing much ;)
17:04.47Serdarwait I send you a copy of my talk with him. will copy it at pastebin
17:05.33mickey|tvk
17:06.15Serdarhttp://pastebin.com/d5ed698f6
17:07.59Serdarmickey|tv, he asked for some openmoko releated stuff, that's why I am asking here since monring.
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17:10.52mickey|tvinteresting. well, if there's anyone that would be interested in FSO (not really AoF, i'm afraid), then i could present something, e.g. "freesmartphone.org -- dbus-based phone middleware'. my name and bio can be grabbed from my website
17:13.26Serdaryou need to send it to the eMail adress there.
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17:15.32mickey|tvhmm
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17:16.19mickey|tvok, i'll try to collect something
17:16.38mickey|tvtry asking on the community mailing list
17:16.43mickey|tvwe should probably get more than just one
17:16.52mickey|tvanyways, need to run now
17:16.52mickey|tvcu
17:17.27SerdarI am not on the mailing list oO"
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17:42.32DocScrutinizer~logs
17:42.33aptAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
17:48.14alabdOn shr-t , bt-configure gives error after running . what's the problem ?
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17:52.00alabdwhat's the problem  http://pastebin.com/m7c286d3f ? after using this script https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/scripts/ipkg-make-index.sh
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18:25.53alabdHow to send file via bt ? on shr-t ?
18:32.36alabdHow to see cpu usage ?
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18:59.25badcloudhey all
19:00.43badcloudis there a way to erase all sms' in latest shr-u?
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19:02.52SeligArkinThere was an option last I used it, but I don't recall
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19:05.47badcloudthe 'clear messagebook' option in the phone section of 'settings' doesn't seem to do it
19:06.57SeligArkinHrm, well I wish I could be more help but I don't have shr on my moko
19:14.52badcloudSeligArkin: whacha got runnin' on it?
19:15.08SeligArkinbadcloud: striped down debian. =^-^=
19:15.30SeligArkinI need to get the saw out and strip it some more, it's down to 50-something M
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19:18.13badcloudnice
19:18.35badcloudI got shr-u (duh) on my nand and debian rootfs on usd
19:19.19SeligArkinI have debian right on my flash right now, thats why I am a b it streached for space
19:20.20SeligArkin... and I just realised how I might be able to re-do the jffs2 image with the right params to make the kernel stop yelling
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19:22.50badcloudwell done
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19:27.17jajhi, I was wondering, is it safe to pull out the batterie of the freerunner while on usb power?
19:27.46jajs/batterie/battery/
19:28.31DocScrutinizerjaj: yup. on FR it's safe
19:28.31badcloudI remember trying it once with the wall charger, nothing bad happened as far as I know
19:28.45jajDocScrutinizer: thanks!
19:29.02badcloudjaj: *ahem* ;)
19:29.03jajso you can actually change the SIM card without doing a power cycle?
19:29.07DocScrutinizerjaj: expect GSM to silently stop operation though
19:29.45DocScrutinizeryup you can
19:29.56jajGSM comes up again when you insert the battery?
19:29.59DocScrutinizerbut need to powercycle the modem
19:30.10jajnice :)
19:30.20DocScrutinizernot without powercycling
19:30.47DocScrutinizerbest practice to shut modem down *before* removing bat
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19:31.44jajvia /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
19:31.46jaj?
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19:32.41DocScrutinizerdepends on your distro. on shr use settings. on other fso based distro use dbus call. on plain kernel use sysfs
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19:33.16jajok
19:34.20jajI have another question, I have hackable:1 on my FR, not sure it's distro-related though but I can't make wifi come up after suspend/resume
19:35.50jajis this supposed to work or not?
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20:10.47badcloudjaj: you can ask over at channel #hackable1
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20:14.29PaulFer``Hm, funny
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20:16.31DocScrutinizer51PaulFer``: does it work now?
20:16.31PaulFer``Ah, it didn't get op yet.
20:16.38DocScrutinizer51aah
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20:17.31DocScrutinizer51~ping
20:17.32apt~pong
20:17.41PaulFer``DocScrutinizer51: well, it has chanmode option for this channel but lacks it for -cdevel, nothing to be surprised about.
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20:18.19DocScrutinizer51~ping
20:18.19apt~pong
20:18.33DocScrutinizer51duh, unvoiced myself
20:18.51PaulFer``DocScrutinizer51: you won't be able to do anything about the mode enforcing unless you modify his config i'm afraid.
20:19.26DocScrutinizer51could you op it please
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20:20.55PaulFer``DocScrutinizer51: op whom?
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20:21.11DocScrutinizer51nm
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20:22.28DocScrutinizer51PaulFer``: what do you mean by 'chanmode opion'?
20:22.41PaulFer``DocScrutinizer51: # chanmode +/-<modes>
20:22.42PaulFer``#    This setting makes the bot enforce channel modes. It will always add
20:22.42PaulFer``#    the +<modes> and remove the -<modes> modes.
20:23.05PaulFer``DocScrutinizer51: the config ndnihil showed me as example had   chanmode "+ntm-lik"
20:23.09PaulFer``For #openmoko
20:24.00DocScrutinizer51hmm. seems he changed that for devel, but not for this chan
20:25.04PaulFer``Indeed
20:25.14DocScrutinizer51boring
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20:40.57ndnihilhrm
20:41.02ndnihilboth channels have the same modes
20:41.06ndnihilneither are set to forced
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20:46.48PaulFer``ndnihil: please ensure openbrokeo doesn't force mode here in #openmoko.
20:46.59ndnihilyeah was just looking at that
20:47.03PaulFer``ndnihil: because it obviously tries :)
20:47.07ndnihilit shouldn't be forcing modes anywhere
20:47.23PaulFer``ndnihil: in the example you gave me there was this line: chanmode "+ntm-lik"
20:47.28PaulFer``For #openmoko
20:47.31ndnihilyeah, I changed that
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20:47.51ndnihilI just reset it to ""
20:47.56ndnihiltry again
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20:48.43ndnihilfixed
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20:49.06ndnihilsorry about that
20:49.07PaulFertser-m+R please
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20:49.28PaulFer``:D
20:49.29ndnihilwant +f in there too?
20:49.36ndnihilit'll forward
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20:49.58docscrutmp2I want NOTHING in therew!!!!11!!!eleven
20:50.14ndnihilit's fixed, no force modes
20:50.16PaulFer``ndnihil: i think +f is not needed
20:50.31docscrutmp2I'm well capable of setting chanmodes manually
20:50.47ndnihilit should have forced them in the first place
20:50.54docscrutmp2and I'm starting to feel pissed
20:51.00ndnihil?
20:51.43docscrutmp2<PROTECTED>
20:51.46PaulFer``ndnihil: Doc doesn't like forced chanmodes.
20:51.57ndnihilnobdy does
20:52.07ndnihilthat's why I typically disable that feature
20:52.13ndnihilnot sure why it was still forcing here
20:52.22ndnihilbut after resetting the chanmodes
20:52.24ndnihilto ""
20:52.28ndnihilit seems to be fixed
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20:53.08ndnihilI'll kill the bot off if you prefer
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20:53.31ndnihildoesnt look like any of the spam/flood crap is happening at the moment
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20:59.49DocScrutinizerwell, now it seems ok
20:59.58DocScrutinizerndnihil: thanks :-)
21:00.03ndnihilnp
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22:20.04mmu_screenhmm I screwed up the theme and I lost the top bar, so I can't set it back from "default"
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22:21.28hajmoladoes anyone have a google voice invite i could beg for?
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22:23.40mmu_screenvoice ?
22:23.53hajmolagoogle voice.
22:24.08mmu_screennever used this
22:24.23Serdarwho asked for dalvik on shr?
22:24.39hajmolait's only really in the US
22:25.01WonkaSerdar: me, for example
22:25.25Serdarmaybe this can help: http://pdk.android.com/online-pdk/guide/dalvik.html
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22:33.38Wonkairgh... what's that?
22:33.38Wonkai cannot scroll there with my touchpad
22:33.47Wonkain other browser tabs I can
22:34.06Wonka(scrolling with cursor keys works, though)
22:34.47WonkaSerdar: thx
22:34.55WonkaSerdar: will look into it some day
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22:47.55mmu_screengrrr dirty dirty packagers tarring files without a root folder!
22:49.13ndnihilthat's annoying as hell
22:49.37ndnihilso much so that I've developed the habit of -t before -x
22:52.10Serdarmickey|sports, are you still running?
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23:08.54Serdarmickey|sports, ping?
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