| 00:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 00:00.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/x/humppa/g |
| 00:02.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/x/humppaHUMPPAAA/g |
| 00:03.34 | max_posedon | doc!) |
| 00:03.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/x*/fail/ |
| 00:04.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | too few traffic :) |
| 00:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ew/ew\n/ |
| 00:06.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | darn |
| 00:07.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | makes note to self: study infobot source |
| 00:07.33 | H_u_m | Humpa is a damned highlight to me |
| 00:08.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | hum(pa): LOL |
| 00:09.02 | H_u_m | ;) |
| 00:09.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | we will we will HUMPPA |
| 00:09.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | elekelaiset |
| 00:10.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Eläkeläiset to be accurate |
| 00:11.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humppa |
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| 00:17.58 | H_u_m | i believe i must be drunk to like humppa |
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| 00:22.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFVW2AA6ID4 |
| 00:22.25 | *** mode/#openmoko [+R] by paul-trigger |
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| 00:40.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtoSyliQGHI&playnext=1&playnext_from=QL HUMPPAAAAAAAAA |
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| 00:52.28 | PaulFer`` | DocScrutinizer51: reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsnsK1DHU6E |
| 00:52.28 | *** mode/#openmoko [+R] by paul-trigger |
| 00:53.27 | PaulFer`` | The humpa guys aren't drunk but sing out of tune almost the same :) |
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| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | well maybe there's a reason the 'other songs of same guy' list is full of eläkeläisät |
| 00:59.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/same guy/ncvitec/ |
| 01:00.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | paul-trigger: just feels quite natural to listen to finish music categorized in wikipedia as geekmusic, on a linux smartphone built by a finish company |
| 01:01.29 | PaulFer`` | DocScrutinizer51: indeed, a perfect match! |
| 01:01.31 | PaulFer`` | :) |
| 01:03.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually I just learnt a minute ago it's supposed to be geek music. Fell in love with eläkeläisät when they had a gig in a small club here some 10 years ago |
| 01:04.21 | PaulFer`` | Well, gotta leave now, off to sleep. Have a good night, Doc. Tomorrow's a different day, hope it'll bring something good to you, me and everybody (except G.W.Bush as'd RMS say) :) |
| 01:05.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 01:05.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks anyway and sleep quiet and calm |
| 01:06.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | and please never agin mention G. double-WHO |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka 'the wino' |
| 01:11.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah OMG sometimes my parser for natural speech is really SIGSTOPed |
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| 01:12.36 | gena2x | lol |
| 01:13.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | a suspend/resume cycle helps sometimes to kick it off again |
| 01:18.32 | SeligArkin | presses DocScrutinizer51's power button |
| 01:19.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh SeligArkin long time no see |
| 01:19.38 | SeligArkin | Indeed, I broke my irssi config, and this network was a victim |
| 01:20.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | SeligArkin: I'm sure I told only Geordy LaForge and the Doc where to find my powerbutton ;-D |
| 01:20.50 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer51: its amazing what you can find whe the computer mistakes you for someone else, giving you acceszs to their home dir |
| 01:21.15 | SeligArkin | Did you know Geordy has a stream of anime going to his visor at all times? |
| 01:21.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yoe *evil* haxy |
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| 01:22.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 01:23.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess that stream is the true cause for his occasional headache |
| 01:27.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, registered since Mar 2008... good girl :) |
| 01:28.24 | SeligArkin | I didn't hax, Geordy was playign with a hologram, gave the hologram subsystem full access, I noticed this and poked my paw in. :P |
| 01:28.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | SeligArkin: you missed the nice parts of some serious spam attacks last few days |
| 01:29.06 | SeligArkin | I noticed some of it creeking through the cracks |
| 01:29.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
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| 01:30.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | seen this? http:// |
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| 01:31.02 | SeligArkin | hrm, I need to tell gtk to disable drag'n'drop on the moko - it doesn't like when stuff gets drafed |
| 01:31.31 | SeligArkin | has a happy light-weight setup going she is working on |
| 01:31.53 | SeligArkin | I hacked the Vala web-browser example to be more friendly, put that on. :P |
| 01:32.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh |
| 01:32.58 | SeligArkin | and by "more friedly" I mean I removed the status bar and seperate toolbar |
| 01:33.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | have to admit I haven't touched my army of hockeypucks for months now |
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| 01:34.08 | SeligArkin | Heh |
| 01:34.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser has set up a nice little hack with this paul-trigger |
| 01:35.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I have to say meanwhile freenode klines the spammers faster than paul-trigger can set +R |
| 01:35.31 | SeligArkin | Thats one way of doing it |
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| 01:39.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | yay, battery down to 50%. |
| 01:39.49 | SeligArkin | Waiting for it to discharge? |
| 01:39.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually watching youtube music videos is kinda hog |
| 01:40.20 | SeligArkin | ah |
| 01:40.30 | SeligArkin | I need to figure out why youtube is failing for me |
| 01:40.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, just feels so natural to sit here and type to that gadget |
| 01:40.36 | SeligArkin | all flash actualy |
| 01:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | I forgot to hook up to charger |
| 01:41.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | plays lie a charm on omap 3430 maemo5 |
| 01:41.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | liKe even |
| 01:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | and it got really not THAT bad *stereo* speakers |
| 01:42.36 | SpeedEvil | html5 might be fun |
| 01:43.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | html5 is vaporware, no? |
| 01:43.21 | SpeedEvil | I mean the youtube video tag stuff |
| 01:44.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | tag?? |
| 01:44.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe I don't *want* to know even :-P |
| 01:45.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ebay buy tag? |
| 01:45.18 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:45.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | MS segfault tag? |
| 01:45.30 | SpeedEvil | Youtube is experimenting with ditching flash |
| 01:45.54 | SpeedEvil | youtube.com/html5/ |
| 01:45.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin flash |
| 01:46.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart flashplayer |
| 01:46.11 | apt | duct-tapes flashplayer to the floor and drools on him |
| 01:46.24 | SpeedEvil | Going to sleep. Night! |
| 01:46.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | night SpeedEvil |
| 01:47.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't forget to charge my err your N900 ;-P |
| 01:48.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders why he never seen N900evil in this #chan |
| 01:49.01 | SeligArkin | Maybe he;s a real man who uses ssh + screen to irc. :P |
| 01:49.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, that's shellevil then |
| 01:50.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I dunno what's his nick when he ssh's from N900 xterm to some box's screen irssi |
| 01:51.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | yack, Purple IRC |
| 01:52.06 | SeligArkin | Haha |
| 01:53.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't you know all users which math regex '*(p|P)urple*' in their full whois and version get kicked automagically? ;-P |
| 01:53.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | match even |
| 01:54.15 | SeligArkin | heh |
| 01:54.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | 025450 -SeligArkin- VERSION irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux i686 |
| 01:54.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 01:55.34 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 01:55.45 | SeligArkin | someoe I know has that set to their zsh version string |
| 01:58.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | really ponders if it's a good thing to get a job at maemo team |
| 01:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course all the maemo members say 'yes the best thing since invention of HUMPPA' :-D |
| 02:00.15 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 02:02.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then look at their bugtrac and what stupid users do to it. Any average chat forum is stricktly on topic and conceise compared to that whining without any facts |
| 02:03.15 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer51: BUT ITS WORSE THAN IPHONE CAUSE <stupid reason> |
| 02:03.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/strick/strik |
| 02:03.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | SeligArkin: jep kinda |
| 02:04.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | my MUA got flooded with mails subject "\attery #ies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use" (sic!) |
| 02:05.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn |
| 02:05.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | my MUA got flooded with mails subject "Battery Dies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use" (sic!) |
| 02:05.59 | SeligArkin | heh |
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| 02:07.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615#c163 |
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| 04:03.24 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 04:03.35 | SpeedEvil | Broken - or bent? |
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| 15:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong here????? |
| 15:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: PING |
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| 15:55.17 | slaxxer | hey doc |
| 15:55.41 | slaxxer | central usa is where im at |
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| 15:57.38 | slaxxer | i was thinking of just buying a returned moko for 75 us dollars that way i get another replacement screen(maybe) an some spare stuff:) |
| 15:58.06 | slaxxer | they had 1 the mic was not working on |
| 15:58.36 | slaxxer | i think it was sdg systems on the east coast |
| 16:00.03 | slaxxer | "Doc" |
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| 16:12.52 | pva_theor | Hi. Anybody have problems with current shr testing? I've just upgraded phone and now X screen is just black. Also I guess not relevant, but mokomaze fails to upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/1765279 |
| 16:12.52 | *** mode/#openmoko [+R] by paul-trigger |
| 16:14.39 | JaMa | pva_theor: seems that you're upgrading shr-unstable not shr-testing |
| 16:15.13 | pva_theor | JaMa: I've just checked and seems you are right. |
| 16:15.30 | pva_theor | So, this is known issue, right? Any workarounds? |
| 16:15.54 | *** mode/#openmoko [-R] by paul-trigger |
| 16:16.13 | Weiss | echo 150 >/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/brightness should work for now |
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| 16:16.54 | JaMa | pva_theor: if you have shr-t image and upgrading from shr-u feeds than it's not known issue |
| 16:17.43 | JaMa | pva_theor: if you have shr-u image and asking about shr-t is just your error.. then it's "knonw" |
| 16:20.50 | pva_theor | Weiss: that helped. Thanks. |
| 16:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: aaah. Hi |
| 16:25.48 | pva_theor | JaMa: I think first. At least /etc/shr-version mentions shr/testing2009-1rc1 and opkg downloads from unstable repositories. Thanks too. |
| 16:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: as I elaborated in *core, you're welcome to send me IRC and SAE and you get a spare antenna |
| 16:34.15 | SpeedEvil | If you don't use it mobile - you can also get a plugin antena that works just fine from dx for $5 or so |
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| 19:17.37 | Wonka | argh. how does one make mokonnect shutdown a connection? |
| 19:18.00 | Wonka | it's not really funny to have usb networking, wifi and gprs running in parallel ;) |
| 19:18.25 | mickeyl | heh |
| 19:18.26 | mickeyl | why not? |
| 19:18.38 | mickeyl | fallbacks |
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| 19:19.48 | Wonka | mmh. there's always something coming and going over a running gprs connection... i'd like to kill that one so it's not billed meanwhile. |
| 19:20.09 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:20.14 | mickeyl | even with proper routes set up? |
| 19:20.24 | mickeyl | (you have a volume rate, right?) |
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| 19:20.44 | mickeyl | i'm working on adding some more high level support to fsonetworkd |
| 19:20.50 | mickeyl | so you can chose preferred networks |
| 19:20.54 | mickeyl | and it will autoconfigure the routes etc. |
| 19:20.54 | Wonka | 200M free per month, "billed" in 10k elements, at least every hour or so. |
| 19:21.13 | mickeyl | giving you a top level view over all "connectivity" options |
| 19:21.22 | Wonka | working resolvconf would be fine too... |
| 19:21.38 | mickeyl | yes, that's part of the deal |
| 19:22.05 | Wonka | and I think the ppp-off scripts do a "rm -f /etc/resolv.conf ; echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf", which is absolutely stupid |
| 19:22.19 | Wonka | even with resolvconf installed |
| 19:22.20 | mickeyl | that's gone already |
| 19:22.23 | mickeyl | (in fso2) |
| 19:22.24 | Wonka | cool |
| 19:22.28 | Wonka | in shr-u too? |
| 19:22.30 | mickeyl | no |
| 19:22.39 | mickeyl | as it's part of the new fsogsmd |
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| 19:22.44 | Wonka | ah |
| 19:22.47 | mickeyl | and this is missing some more calypso goodness |
| 19:22.50 | Serdar1 | is there any port of webos? |
| 19:23.01 | mickeyl | "of" or "to"? |
| 19:23.05 | mickeyl | if you really mean, "of" |
| 19:23.07 | mickeyl | how could there |
| 19:23.08 | Wonka | I'd so like to try some of the newer stuff... |
| 19:23.08 | mickeyl | it's all closed |
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| 19:23.40 | mickeyl | Wonka: i don't have much time these days, but i'll try to finish fsogsmd as much as possible and then will do a blog posting for folks eager to try. hopefully next month |
| 19:23.56 | Wonka | can't await it ;) |
| 19:24.25 | Wonka | failed finding Moblin or Maemo for FR... :/ |
| 19:24.41 | SpeedEvil | maemo for anything doesn't exist. |
| 19:24.43 | Wonka | interface of hackable:1 is so OM2008... |
| 19:24.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 19:24.59 | mickeyl | i need to kick the guys to help me more |
| 19:25.02 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: for Nokia N900 it did exist, I thought? |
| 19:25.05 | SpeedEvil | maemo is - basically - mer + nokia proprietory binary elements |
| 19:25.07 | mickeyl | so we can progress w/ fso2 faster ;) |
| 19:25.16 | SpeedEvil | I mean - for anything - it exists for the n900 |
| 19:25.22 | SpeedEvil | Manyt components do not have source. |
| 19:25.24 | Wonka | mer for FR is nonexistend too |
| 19:25.42 | mickeyl | many people underestimate the amount of system integration |
| 19:25.47 | mickeyl | they start w/ enthusiasm |
| 19:25.52 | mickeyl | get pretty far in short time |
| 19:25.55 | mickeyl | then hit the walls |
| 19:25.56 | Wonka | »If the file were available, this is how it would be installed to a sd-card.« |
| 19:25.57 | mickeyl | and give up |
| 19:26.16 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: yeah. There are _so_many_ 'last 10%' 's to get usability. |
| 19:26.24 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 19:26.25 | Wonka | »The latest release 0.15 cannot be downloaded from [...]« |
| 19:26.44 | Wonka | mer is there for everything _but_ the FR |
| 19:26.47 | Wonka | *sigh* |
| 19:26.58 | mickeyl | well |
| 19:27.02 | mickeyl | sooner or later we have good middleware |
| 19:27.06 | mickeyl | but that's only 1/2 of it |
| 19:27.12 | mickeyl | then we seriously need to find a UI |
| 19:27.30 | mickeyl | i, for one, would love to see WebOS |
| 19:27.38 | mickeyl | but with that being superclosed... :/ |
| 19:27.49 | Wonka | I would like to see a browser with finger scrolling... |
| 19:28.04 | Wonka | midori sucks. |
| 19:28.18 | fredrin | true |
| 19:28.26 | Wonka | I type one letter into the address bar and there's a combo box popdown all over the keyboard |
| 19:28.27 | fredrin | FR is epic fail, but fun in a strange way |
| 19:28.32 | fredrin | it lives it own life |
| 19:28.48 | Wonka | so the next tap hits not a letter but a history element |
| 19:28.51 | fredrin | in 4 days i got a n900 |
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| 19:29.30 | fredrin | after almost two years with only FR as my phone, it will be good to be online again and I can call with confidence |
| 19:30.36 | mickeyl | ya |
| 19:30.39 | mickeyl | sad for the freedom part |
| 19:30.41 | mickeyl | but good for you |
| 19:30.56 | Wonka | I use my FR for IRC on the bus and for mapping stuff - finding locations by GPS and maps, recording GPS tracks |
| 19:31.15 | fredrin | i am a much more pragatic guy now |
| 19:31.24 | Wonka | by the way, I tried adding a new contact in shr-contacts... |
| 19:31.29 | Wonka | it didn't show up |
| 19:31.39 | Wonka | I added it again, a little different. |
| 19:31.42 | Wonka | still not |
| 19:31.44 | Serdar1 | webos is closed? it supposed to be gpl3 |
| 19:31.46 | Wonka | i closed contacts |
| 19:31.49 | Wonka | reopened it |
| 19:31.52 | Wonka | there were both |
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| 19:32.08 | Wonka | seems the list is not updated after adding a new contact |
| 19:32.13 | mickeyl | Serdar1: really? where did you see that? |
| 19:32.39 | Heinervdm | then we can ask for the sources :D |
| 19:32.49 | mickeyl | as far as i can see, everything except the actual apps (html, hence free) and webkit itself and the kernel seems closed |
| 19:32.58 | Serdar1 | oh this is strange |
| 19:33.02 | Serdar1 | the german wiki says gpl |
| 19:33.03 | Serdar1 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_webOS |
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| 19:33.32 | mickeyl | ya, that's completely wrong |
| 19:33.34 | mickeyl | always the same |
| 19:33.39 | mickeyl | "we have an open source OS" |
| 19:33.44 | mickeyl | "cool, where's the source?" |
| 19:33.48 | mickeyl | "oh... here's the kernel" |
| 19:33.54 | mickeyl | "err... is that everything?" |
| 19:33.56 | mickeyl | "yes, sorry..." |
| 19:34.01 | mickeyl | "but we have an open source OS" |
| 19:34.04 | mickeyl | ... |
| 19:34.17 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 19:34.29 | mickeyl | if the OS is a kernel |
| 19:34.33 | mickeyl | then they're probably right |
| 19:34.37 | groszek | that sounds like motorola's ezx platform |
| 19:34.38 | mickeyl | linux is indeed GPL |
| 19:34.43 | mickeyl | groszek: yep |
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| 19:35.29 | Serdar | test |
| 19:35.38 | Serdar | fweh |
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| 19:36.16 | Serdar | nobody could read, what I wrote, right? |
| 19:36.33 | matze| | no |
| 19:36.42 | Serdar | I see. |
| 19:37.07 | Serdar | I needed to close 3 channels to be able change my nick... |
| 19:37.42 | Serdar | so, webos is a closed source system above a linux kernel, right? |
| 19:38.17 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: It's not _quite_ that bad. The kernel is open - much of the rest - other than the UI elements are open. So - provide your own WM, and all the drivers are already there. |
| 19:38.21 | mickeyl | Serdar: pretty much, yes |
| 19:38.26 | Serdar | I was interested after reading gpl, but if it's only kernel, the excitement is broken. |
| 19:38.40 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: sounds better than it is |
| 19:38.43 | mickeyl | did you check the modem? |
| 19:38.44 | SpeedEvil | (n900) |
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| 19:38.51 | mickeyl | oh, you mean the n900 |
| 19:38.56 | mickeyl | sorry, was thinking palm |
| 19:39.00 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: yes - sorry. |
| 19:39.25 | mickeyl | yes, the n900 might be good. Alas, Nokia kind of pissed me off, that's why I'm having a hard time liking it |
| 19:39.34 | mickeyl | plus, it's a brick. personally i prefer a smaller form factor |
| 19:39.41 | mickeyl | although i'd love to have a keyboard |
| 19:40.09 | mickeyl | besides |
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| 19:40.11 | mickeyl | it's not quite that good |
| 19:40.12 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you're getting much smaller withhwkbd |
| 19:40.12 | Serdar | yeah keyboard's nice. |
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| 19:40.30 | mickeyl | according to the architecture picture, there's a ton of closed stuff in the n900 |
| 19:40.36 | mickeyl | like... power management |
| 19:40.38 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: After 2 months - pretty much my only complaint is that tehy only included one stylus. |
| 19:40.48 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:40.51 | Serdar | http://pulster.de/index.htm?d__btkeyboard__Openmoko_Freerunner_Bluetooth_Mini_Keyboard1049.htm how's this? |
| 19:40.51 | *** mode/#openmoko [+R] by paul-trigger |
| 19:40.52 | mickeyl | they used to ship one spare with it |
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| 19:41.31 | Wonka | mickeyl: not in summer 2008 |
| 19:41.38 | Wonka | eh, 2007 |
| 19:41.48 | mickeyl | hmm, i have a 770 and a 810 |
| 19:41.50 | Wonka | or was it 2008? |
| 19:41.51 | mickeyl | both came with extra stylus |
| 19:41.52 | Wonka | <- confused |
| 19:41.58 | Wonka | I have only one |
| 19:42.11 | Serdar | okay paul-trigger is a bot and dislike urls, right? |
| 19:42.12 | Wonka | and a packet of gummy bears |
| 19:42.31 | mickeyl | Serdar: yes, we had some attacks these days |
| 19:42.43 | Wonka | Serdar: spammer urls at least. we had some spambot problems on freenode the last days. |
| 19:42.55 | SpeedEvil | needs to get his neo1973 up and running as a microwave controller. |
| 19:42.55 | Serdar | pulster sent me gummy bears too after I ordered 3 debug boards :) |
| 19:43.20 | Serdar | mickeyl, how's white and blacklists? |
| 19:43.48 | Serdar | how are |
| 19:43.54 | *** mode/#openmoko [-R] by paul-trigger |
| 19:44.07 | mickeyl | dunno whether that works against botnets |
| 19:44.17 | Wonka | I just had a FR and a debug board |
| 19:44.25 | SeligArkin | Hrm, I need to find that keyboard somewhere else o the tubes, cause it looks like its just the right size for what I want |
| 19:45.08 | SpeedEvil | Someone clicks a link. It opens a site with a form. They press the form submit. Hidden fields in the form do the join/... commands - and the IRC server ignores the POSt line |
| 19:45.37 | Wonka | SeligArkin: just read the website... there's a link to http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-accessories/slim-keypad |
| 19:45.37 | *** mode/#openmoko [+R] by paul-trigger |
| 19:45.49 | Wonka | SeligArkin: and that has a "buy now" button |
| 19:46.04 | SeligArkin | can't read dutch. :P |
| 19:46.06 | Serdar | hihi. |
| 19:46.19 | Serdar | dutch? |
| 19:46.36 | Serdar | my link wasn't dutch and his is english. |
| 19:46.41 | Wonka | SeligArkin: *slap* it's german |
| 19:47.08 | Serdar | slap him twice, I can't reach him :p |
| 19:47.08 | SeligArkin | Sorry |
| 19:47.50 | SeligArkin | "Sorry but the Produce you've requested wasn't found!" |
| 19:48.41 | *** mode/#openmoko [-R] by paul-trigger |
| 19:49.21 | Serdar | SeligArkin, where are you from? |
| 19:50.21 | SeligArkin | US, which explains my ignorance for the rest of the world. :P |
| 19:51.08 | Serdar | hmm it will cost you 59 EUR + 30 EUR shipping. |
| 19:51.23 | Serdar | mabe you will get it cheaper, no idea. |
| 19:51.32 | Serdar | look at pulster.eu it's in english |
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| 19:56.17 | SeligArkin | Eep, now if only I had 125$ to spend |
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| 22:49.33 | kstar | Thanks for SHR! The new one looks really cool ^:-)^ |
| 22:50.20 | kstar | A question: Is there a package for pygsmd (or whatever the python bindings for the GSM stack are called) |
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| 22:58.58 | JaMa | kstar: frameworkd (which provides ogsmd) is written in python |
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| 23:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | please everybody with a FR: can you do the following test: check hw clock settings with command "hwclock" in terminal. (make sure it's not like 01.01.1970 or sth, a reasonable time would be fine). Then power down device and remove battery for 5 minutes. Reinsert battery, boot up to a state without internet connectivity and without using GPS, and check again with "hwclock". Then report here if time is roundabout the same it was before |
| 23:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | battery removal, or if it's been reset by that procedure |
| 23:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | Thanks a lot. This will help us building better devices (if we ever get to do such enterprise) |
| 23:13.28 | JaMa | DocScrutinizer: does it sync time also through GSM? or having SIM in slot is ok? |
| 23:13.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: hey! shr users should not mess with command line, shouldn't you use frameworkd to read rtc? |
| 23:13.44 | lindi- | hides |
| 23:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: good point. you probably should remove SIM |
| 23:14.22 | lindi- | JaMa: i have never heard that anybody would have managed to get time from gsm on freerunner |
| 23:14.33 | lindi- | JaMa: i would be really happy to be proven wrong on this one :) |
| 23:14.34 | cz_jc | GPS provides time |
| 23:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: you can *read* whatever you want, anytime and any way you like. You need to know to read the results though |
| 23:15.14 | JaMa | lindi-: but I have fsotdld running (not so common on freerunners).. so maybe it works :) |
| 23:15.53 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: good :) |
| 23:16.04 | JaMa | cz_jc: but it needs fix no? so running it indoors and checking it few mins after boot shouldn't get time soon enough.. |
| 23:16.27 | cz_jc | JaMa, mine gets a fix indoors in about a minute |
| 23:16.47 | JaMa | well my neo is already down, ping me back in 4 mins :) |
| 23:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: (time over GSM) not in Europe. Allegedly some US carriers provision a working service |
| 23:19.40 | gena2x | may be better it's better to call this via maillist? |
| 23:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | PS re "please everybody": while you fremove your bat, you have 5 minutes to copy the datecode under the battery. Please post this datecode together with your result of "time reset" / "time kept correct" |
| 23:23.45 | kstar | JaMa: But does it have bindings to, for instance, send SMS? |
| 23:26.22 | JaMa | DocScrutinizer: 20080725 - time reset to 1.1.2000 |
| 23:27.39 | gena2x | dont forget to remove usb power too, btw :) |
| 23:28.32 | JaMa | DocScrutinizer: I hope that booting .32 kernel instead of previous .29-rc3 cannot change that.. |
| 23:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: quite probably unrelated |
| 23:29.21 | JaMa | rebooting again to .29-rc3 + SIM |
| 23:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | well, many thanks JaMa. now we got some 160 users here with pending reports |
| 23:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | please everybody. this is intended to be a mass test for statistics |
| 23:31.03 | SpeedEvil | has no FR alas. |
| 23:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, even when Europe might be asleep right now, I still expect quite a number of US and Asian users in here |
| 23:33.27 | JaMa | hehe Europe never sleeps |
| 23:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, there'S always this one guy around... :-P |
| 23:42.43 | Weiss | DocScrutinizer: sleepy time now, but will do the test tomorrow when I'm bored for 5 mins |
| 23:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | Weiss: many thanks |
| 23:49.25 | JaMa | DocScrutinizer: rebooted again with same kernel and it time did reset again |
| 23:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: good (?). So obviously your backup battery doesn't perform too decent |
| 23:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: actually I'm less concerned about fals "positives" (time reset). Rather I expect to see false negatives where the time gets synced via GPS, GSM, or NTPD without user even noticing |
| 23:52.05 | JaMa | yeah :/ just wanted to retest to see that different kernel really wasn't the reason.. but crappy bbat was |
| 23:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: enjoy it. You'll never see a PMU lockup due to wrong MBC register setup kept during main bat removal or drainage |
| 23:54.47 | JaMa | feels better now, thanks DocS, now I can go to bed :) |
| 23:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | JaMa: night. And thanks again |
| 23:57.27 | JaMa | you're welcome |
| 23:57.42 | JaMa | gl with other testers :/ |
| 23:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | yup :-S |