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02:38.17naquanhi everyone, is there a way to confirm an package in angstrom-distribution work on SHR? i want to try abiword but i don't know if it has any bug or not.
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02:45.30naquansorry, it depends on glib, i think it'll not work on SHR.
02:46.07ndnihilI've used angstrom packages on SHR
02:46.19ndnihilsometimes you have to manually sort out dependencies
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02:49.50naquanI installed minimo from angstrom and i think it work well.
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03:12.00naquanoh god, it work ! abiword can run on SHR,  although it crash enlighment and i must restart the phone but it work now.
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06:53.33Wonkaemk: glück gehabt, 7:29 ist ausgefallen
06:54.25Wonkaemk: trotzdem pech: 7:59  hält in hassee, den bus 8:8 kann ich vergessen
06:54.38Wonkaemk: 8:::18
06:55.06bar_codeGood morning Germany!
06:55.53Wonkaoops. echan.
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11:05.46white_geckohello i have updated my shr and can't shut it down now
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11:06.22white_geckobecause shutdown -h now says -sh: shutdown: not found
11:07.13white_geckoa ls -la in /sbin/ tells me "shutdown -> shutdown.sysvinit", but there is no shutdown.sysvinit
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11:53.30white_geckook i have found that there is a problem with runlevel not found
11:53.52white_geckodid anybody else has this problem?
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12:01.44white_geckook there is a script /usr/sbin/update-rc.d and in line 173: runlevel: not found
12:02.13white_geckoif i try to run the comand "runlevel" i get also a not found
12:02.34white_geckohow can i get the comand runlevel back?
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12:03.47gena2xwhite_gecko: which distibution you using
12:03.56white_geckoshr
12:04.07white_geckoi have found the bug report now http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/728
12:04.15gena2x:( on debian it is in sysvinit package
12:06.26white_geckohm yes and i think it should be also in shr in sysvinit
12:07.14gena2xmb try to list files in package and reistall it somehow
12:07.36Heinervdmwhite_gecko: you somehow have the wrong sysvinit package
12:14.31white_geckook the simple trick is to echo "N 5" from /bin/runlevel
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12:19.57JaMa|Offwhite_gecko: which of this dirs do you have? /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives*backup /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives*backup ?
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12:20.44white_geckoi just run a --force-overwrite :-) wait i'll tell you as it is ready
12:23.27octavslyquestion. just updated to the latest version and the phone is stuck. I notice the nice top-left red blinking fast. Is this a kernel crash?
12:24.05white_geckolatest version of SHR?
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12:24.46white_geckohm i've read at my problem http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/728, that the latest SHR is broken
12:25.30octavslypressed the bottom-right button to shut-it down, the "suspend/power-off / cancel" menu appeared then it got stuck. the last update was one week ago and it was working very good. I will have a look at yourt ticket
12:25.57octavslythis seems to be an old ticket
12:26.40octavslyUSB is also not working. I will just reboot.
12:26.45white_geckoJaMa|Off: i have all of these directories
12:27.15octavslyI was just curious about fast blinking red
12:27.23white_geckooctavsly: maybe it sounds like this http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tidbits
12:27.24octavsly4times/sec
12:27.32JaMa|Offwhite_gecko: that's really strange.. in "fixed" situations /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives would be missing
12:27.51JaMa|Offwhite_gecko: -force-reinstall opkg too
12:27.58octavslyI had USB
12:27.59white_geckooctavsly: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Systemlackslotsoffunctionalityafterakernelupdate
12:28.00JaMa|Offwhite_gecko: and then sysvinit/busybox too
12:28.02octavslyit is just stuck now
12:28.18octavslyremoving battery :-)
12:28.19white_geckoJaMa|Off: ok i will do it
12:28.45white_geckoJaMa|Off: but my system does update-alternatives now
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12:31.58white_geckoJaMa|Off: http://pastebin.com/m7fe305a6
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12:38.10JaMa|Offwhite_gecko: that's all?
12:39.09white_geckoJaMa|Off: no muche more alternatives
12:39.28white_geckonow i'm reinstalling sysvinit and busybox
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12:46.59white_geckoi don't have shutdown in sysvinit
12:47.20white_geckohttp://pastebin.com/m562f10e1
12:47.32white_geckowhere can i get a working sysvinit for shr?
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12:57.19octavslywhite_gecko: thanks for the link. I presume that this is done automatically after kernel update
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13:15.24white_geckoi try to install sysvinit now from testing instead of unstable, but get an problem because of the checsum
13:15.32white_geckochecksum
13:16.01white_geckohow can i do the update for a package, which i get directly from the web
13:21.38gena2xin fact, in shr this might be busybox
13:21.44gena2xdon't really know.
13:23.02gena2xbut JaMa knows, be sure
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14:51.18*** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ | hackable:1 rev5 is out !
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14:51.55DocScrutinizerSORRY TO EVERYBODYFOR THE INCONVENIENCE. i NEED TO SET CHANNEL TO +R TEMPORARILY. PLEASE REGISTER AND IDENTIFY YOUR NICK TO NICKSERVER (/msg nickserver help)
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15:09.32*** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> READ http://blog.freenode.net! || Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ | hackable:1 rev5 is out !
15:10.43*** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> READ http://blog.freenode.net ! || Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ | hackable:1 rev5 is out !
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15:27.50DocScrutinizer@all: please read http://blog.freenode.net
15:28.39Weissick :(
15:29.01Weissmy ignores are working so well that I took a little while to figure out what was going on..
15:42.43DocScrutinizerdirect link for those who just need a little help to do the right thing: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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18:41.18PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: was there an attack at #openmoko? i guess i missed it due to netsplit, that's the reason my trigger didn't work.
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18:48.44DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: not sure about it. Seems it's been netsplit here as well ('just' a netsplit)
18:49.06PaulFert`DocScrutinizer: Should -R be set now that all is quite?
18:49.26DocScrutinizernot sure about all being quite
18:49.37DocScrutinizerquiet?
18:49.43PaulFert`Yeah, my typo
18:50.47DocScrutinizeranyway +R shouldn't hurt as users are supposed to see the recommendations in /topic and joinmsg and eventually should adopt the purpose to register to nickserv anyway
18:52.10PaulFert`DocScrutinizer: all that *Serv stuff does not really fit irc tradition. I can imagine old-timers being very unhappy if it was made mandatory.
18:53.48PaulFert`IRC is a cult technology
18:53.50DocScrutinizerI'm planning to remove +R in 11 days the latest when freenode moves to new server sw. This new sw should deal with the nasty CTCP attacks quite good so we don't need it anymore
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18:54.39PaulFert`Having all those bots taking care of the channel, connected to various servers to avoid netsplits, channel hijaking etc, etc.
18:54.57DocScrutinizerfor now I'd like to keep it for as long as we don't have a really reliable way to stop the whole chan going down by everybody getting kicked due to answering those CTCP version queries
18:55.35PaulFert`I can understand those who do not want any nasty server-side bots to be on the channel, and those who do not want to block public ctcps.
18:56.00DocScrutinizerPaulFert`: aiui your "bot" will get kicked by any chan CTCP flood you're not +o
18:56.12PaulFert`Well, if somobody's kicked because he answers ctcp, not a big deal, it's not kline.
18:56.58PaulFert`It wasn't kicked during the floods i saw on other channels. The channel ops were fast enough to block the threat probably :)
18:57.09DocScrutinizerwell this is probably what causes servers going down -> netsplit
18:57.31PaulFert`I can have a separate irssi instance to monitor only #openmoko-* so i won't get kicked.
18:58.00DocScrutinizerthat'd be sufficient for me to onsider -R
18:58.37ndnihiluses irssi anyway
18:59.03PaulFert`Hm, not right now anyway, too tired to do it properly.
18:59.21PaulFert`it's interesting, is irssi any better than weechat?
18:59.36ndnihilI like it
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18:59.50ndnihilhaven't used weechat though
19:00.04ndnihilI came from old ircii though
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19:02.06DocScrutinizerPaulFert`: consider to auto-empower via chanserv in your script. Once it works you're free to -R
19:02.30DocScrutinizerbot here and cdevel
19:02.36DocScrutinizerboth here and cdevel
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20:39.00badcloudhey all
20:39.08badcloudlet me say, shr-u... wow
20:39.31badcloudGREAT improvements
20:40.03JaMa:)
20:40.40badcloudwhere are the hw buttons defined?
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20:42.36max_posedon_badcloud, improvments in which version?)
20:42.53max_posedon_Am I have them if I updated 2 days ago?)
20:44.36badcloudno, I went from testing to unstavle
20:44.39badcloud*ble
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22:01.22vininimI think I broke my freerunner screen
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22:26.21SpeedEvilvin: :(
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22:48.49vininimSpeedEvil: well, it was the longest alive cellphone I had =), time to lurk gta2-core
22:49.44SpeedEvilgta02-core - is essentially dead AIUI
22:50.10SpeedEvilIt would require funding of a substantial slice of a million to generate a first batch of phones at a sane price.
22:50.28SpeedEvilAnd n900 has decapitated the market.
22:50.45SpeedEvilhowever - gta02-core isn't something I've been following.
22:50.46DocScrutinizer51ooohohoh good wpwrak isn't around :-P
22:51.08WonkaI'd like SHR and debian on Nexus...
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22:52.54vininimwoah.. n900 manages to be more expensive than fr
22:53.01CViruslol
22:53.04CVirusway more expensive
22:54.46SpeedEvilI afforded mine partially by slashing food bill to 1/2.
22:54.56SpeedEvilOTOH - now 15kg down.
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23:01.07DocScrutinizer51it's quite funny how N900 is hyped in #openmoko channels and in #maemo channels they ask how to run maemo on FR   X-P
23:01.45DocScrutinizer51same time
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23:11.07SpeedEvilI do want to run other OSs on n900 - including shr/...
23:11.09SpeedEvilbut...
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23:13.02DocScrutinizer51stskeeps is you man
23:13.07DocScrutinizer51your
23:13.51DocScrutinizer51maybe even me in a while
23:13.54SpeedEvilWay too much boring stuff.
23:14.05SpeedEvilI spent today fixing kitchen cupboards.
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23:48.32Undrwatercan one use tar to unpack an ipk?
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23:51.48pespinUndrwater, you have to use "ar" AFAIR
23:53.03Undrwaterpespin: that's right...:) thanks
23:53.39pespinnp :)
23:57.13Undrwater*wipes brow*
23:57.57DocScrutinizer51use mc. more convenient
23:58.25Undrwatermc?
23:58.54DocScrutinizer51midnight commander known by name of mc
23:59.56UndrwaterDocScrutinizer51: i've heard of it...but never used it...is it avail on the phone?

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