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00:31.19hipitihopI'm running QtMoko with v16B with no debug kernel. My Wifi worked perfectly but now that I have rebooted, I get "Unavailable" is this a known bug related to the kernel ?
00:33.55max_posedonyep
00:34.18max_posedonno debug kernel unabled different bugs, which repeated from time-to-time
00:35.37hipitihopso somehow related to timing/speed of the new kernel, I guess that's good to flash those bugs out and sort them. is there a workaround for me in the meantime ? how do I power-up the wifi manually ?
00:36.03hipitihopalthough another reboot seemed to work for me
00:36.14max_posedonI think your wifi module segfault
00:36.34max_posedonI don't know if it possible at all, to enable it
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00:36.59hipitihopwhat log should I look at to confirm
00:37.19max_posedondmesg, logs I don't know
00:49.19naught101Hrm.. is there a way to get the phone log and messages apps to recognise that the numbers like 0407xxxyyy are the same as +61407xxxyyy? (australian mobile numbers)
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01:04.22hipitihopI get this in my dmesg when I boot, is it something I should worry about or report somewhere ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/359323/
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01:41.34DocScrutinizer51n8
01:41.57rasterDocScrutinizer51: docz!
01:42.14DocScrutinizer51rastrrrrrrrman
01:42.33rasterwazzap?
01:42.39DocScrutinizer51tired
01:43.02DocScrutinizer51maemo drivers are nuts sometimes
01:43.08DocScrutinizer51mindboggling
01:43.13rasteryeah
01:43.19rasterlike they crash every few minutes
01:43.19raster:)
01:43.26DocScrutinizer51see LED driver
01:43.43DocScrutinizer51in wiki LED_Patterns
01:43.57DocScrutinizer51no crashes here
01:44.19rasterAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
01:44.20DocScrutinizer51but madness beyond all imagination
01:44.21rasterthere was a bug
01:44.24rastersomeone fixed it
01:44.26rastergaaaah
01:44.27rasteryay
01:44.28rasterand boo
01:44.32rasternow i dont know why its gone
01:46.21DocScrutinizer51anyway. too early for my bakery. too late for me. and no piece of cake in the fridge
01:46.21SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: have you had many unexplained crashes? I've not had one
01:46.35DocScrutinizer51me neither
01:46.49DocScrutinizer51raster absorbed all of them
01:46.52SpeedEvili guess it just hates raster.
01:46.55DocScrutinizer51none left for us
01:47.09rasterhehehehehhe
01:47.10SpeedEvilFun - the rear cam is actualy quite sensitive
01:47.16rasterhugs his nicer hw
01:47.29DocScrutinizer51braggard
01:47.29rasterman the n 900 is thickl
01:47.33rasterits FAT
01:47.40rasterits got a fat arse
01:47.46SpeedEvilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=320:height=240 -vf eq=77:100,eq=10:100,eq=50:100,scale=160:120,denoise3d=8:6:22,eq=0:99
01:47.51rasterthis other one here is half the thickness - literally
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01:48.07DocScrutinizer51yeah I can kill people by throwing it at them
01:48.13SpeedEvil(may need 3 or 4 to brighten or dim the image) - in a darkish area
01:48.23DocScrutinizer51which is an advantage ;-)
01:49.08DocScrutinizer51raster: so I gather it has no kbd
01:49.24DocScrutinizer51which is a nogo for me
01:49.25hipitihopI get this in my dmesg when I boot, is it something I should worry about or report somewhere ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/359323/
01:49.47DocScrutinizer51anyway
01:49.51DocScrutinizer51night now
01:49.56SpeedEvilhipitihop: no - utterly harmless as far as I see.
01:50.19rasterDocScrutinizer51: no. none, but the n900 kbd is actually quite poor
01:50.21rasterits too small
01:50.27rasterthey gave it way too little space
01:50.32SpeedEvilI get 95% accuracy with eyes closed
01:50.34rasterthey could have had the screen slide up a lot more
01:51.23hipitihopSpeedEvil, ok, thanks.. although my QTMoko distro does appear to be ignoring me fiddling the gsmhandset.state file, but perhaps that's just me twiddling wrong controls, so glad the log is unrelated
01:51.47SpeedEvilthe control names are simply truncated at 31 chars - they should function as normal - I think
01:52.02hipitihopSpeedEvil, btw, what was your previous 'mplayer ...' related msg about ?
01:52.13SpeedEvilhipitihop: n900 - off-topic, sorry
01:52.20hipitihopSpeedEvil, np
01:53.18hipitihopSpeedEvil, I thought it may be related to some thread I read someone working on mplayer speedups... I'm dead keen to be able to playback MythTV streams on my FR
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02:07.35naught101Hrm.. is there a way to get the phone log and messages apps in SHR to recognise that the numbers like 0407xxxyyy are the same as +61407xxxyyy? (australian mobile numbers)
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02:25.03d1bmorning
02:25.12d1bis anyone good with gtk ?
02:25.24d1bi want to make a python twitter client, but i don't want to handle gtk
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04:50.20slaxxerthe elm browser  works for anybody?
04:54.01rastershrugs
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06:54.19PaulFert`naught101: yes
06:54.55PaulFert`naught101: you're supposed to specify your country and area codes in number normalization library's config.
06:55.31PaulFert`naught101: but are you sure AU operators violate standard by using weird prefixes?
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06:59.05naquanMy network use normal prefixes in messages, but weird prefixes in phone calls. I can't do any thing :(
07:02.24PaulFert`naquan: that's unfortunate. Have you tried changing area code and international prefix in config?
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07:42.21naquanFaulFert`: it 's not the problem of config, my phone just receive difference numbers between messages and phone calls. If my friend has number xyz, when they call me, it's 0xyz, but when they send sms, it's +84xyz.
07:42.58naquanFaulFert`: is it normal?
07:43.48rasternaquan: yes. that happens
07:44.06rasterthats why most phones have a large chunk of code thhat  figures out al lthis reverse-mappping numbers
07:44.25rasterand it can understand area codes, country codes and different conventions and standards around the world
07:47.51naquanraster: the phone log display names but the message apps display only numbers, how can i change this?
07:48.05naquani'm using SHR
07:50.46naquanand when i receive message, i must guess the sender's name because although they're in my contact, the name isn't shown.
07:53.30rasterdunno
07:54.54naquan:(
07:55.03naquank
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08:04.49naquanthanks anyway
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08:31.43PaulFert`naquan: hey
08:31.51PaulFert`naquan: what's in your config man?
08:32.06PaulFert`naquan: there's exactly that "large chunk of code" present in SHR to do number normalization.
08:32.15PaulFert`naquan: and it works provided you give it enough details.
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08:38.31naquanFaulFert`: I put 00 as international prefix, 84 for network code and national prefix, area code 's blank.
08:43.11PaulFert`naquan: 0407xxxyyy are the same as +61407xxxyyy <-- doesn't match
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08:44.14PaulFert`You should probably put 0 as national prefix, 61 for network code, 407 as area code.
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08:46.36PaulFert`naquan: hm, no
08:48.03naquanFaulFert`: no, it don't work
08:48.14naquando i need to restart anything?
08:48.58PaulFert`naquan:
08:49.22PaulFert`naquan: yes, i guess you need to restart phoneuid but my last statement is wrong.
08:50.24naquanFaulFert`: I put 0 as national prefix, 84 for network code
08:51.08naquannot sure about the are code but i set it 93
08:51.34naquansince my phone number start with 093xxxxxxx
08:52.26PaulFert`naquan: i need to find some docs for that to tell you for sure. Btw, i'm Paul, not Faul :)
08:52.59naquanPaulFert`: sorry
08:53.28naquan:)
08:54.18PaulFert`naquan: you need 0 as national prefix, 61 as country code
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08:55.02PaulFert`naquan: and 407 as area code
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09:10.55naquanPaulFert`: wow, it work !
09:11.07naquanthank you very much
09:11.13naquan:)
09:11.49PaulFert`naquan: welcome. Please share the knowledge on the wiki, probably in the SHR Manual.
09:12.38HeinervdmI think there is somewhere a table on the wiki with these values
09:13.02Bane^there is
09:16.25Heinervdmhttps://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phone_Prefixes
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09:16.38Heinervdmnaquan: please insert your values there ^
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09:19.14naquanHeinervdm: it's already there :(
09:19.40PaulFert`naquan: then add a link to it from the SHR Manual ;)
09:20.06PaulFert`wonders who the hell might need prefixes for his own country
09:20.09Bane^manual already links to that page
09:20.15PaulFert`naquan: fail :P
09:20.37naquan:P
09:20.56PaulFert`And i looked up the sources for you ;)
09:21.43naquan:) i think all i must do is just restart frameworkd
09:22.10naquanalthough i got it right in the setting wizard
09:22.19naquanit's still not there
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12:17.06H_u_mhipitihop: You want to play MythStreams?
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12:34.39H_u_mare mythstreams using IPv4?
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12:35.09hipitihopsorry, an experimental flash player stream format.
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16:23.58alabdHello ,  how to know volume of all packages in Opkg List ?
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20:18.24clauwnhey
20:18.34clauwnwhats the difference between a6 and a7?
20:19.03PaulFert`clauwn: the most important is a7 comes with factory buzz-fix.
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20:19.20PaulFert`clauwn: and a slightly better bass response on wired headset.
20:19.31clauwnwhats a buzz-fix?
20:19.43PaulFert`clauwn: but no buzz-fix affects wired headset, you'll have buzz with it even with a7.
20:19.50PaulFert`~buzzfix
20:19.51apti heard buzzfix is http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/  and   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix  and  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff.
20:20.04PaulFert`apt: good boy
20:20.04apt:), PaulFert`
20:20.21clauwnok
20:20.23clauwnthanks
20:20.37PaulFert`welcome
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20:33.36DocScrutinizer51~botsnack
20:33.36aptDocScrutinizer51: thanks
20:34.23DocScrutinizer51PaulFert`: o/  :-)
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20:34.58PaulFert`DocScrutinizer51: yo
20:35.05PaulFert`DocScrutinizer51: what's up Doc :)
20:35.16DocScrutinizer51still borked bip?
20:35.38PaulFert`DocScrutinizer51: nope, just having both bip and direct freenode sessions just in case.
20:35.48DocScrutinizer51aah
20:36.45DocScrutinizer51want a laughÄ
20:36.49DocScrutinizer51?
20:36.54PaulFert`DocScrutinizer51: sure
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20:38.18DocScrutinizer51compare LP5521 ds with what maemo made of it: http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns
20:38.28DocScrutinizer51mindboggling
20:43.10PaulFert`Thanks, later
20:43.11DocScrutinizer51PaulFert`: I tried to study the driver source and to me it seemed like they always load all three engines of the chip concurrently with same code. Also I fail to see how that supposed 'muxing' of LEDs to either engine should work hw-wise
20:43.52DocScrutinizer51:)
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20:56.23max_posedon[wifi/flame], DocScrutinizer51 PaulFert` (lets continue this, this is our flame channel)
20:56.31max_posedonPaulFert`, are you kidding?
20:56.40max_posedonthere I can't use any external wifi antena
20:57.04PaulFert`max_posedon: i'm not
20:57.13max_posedone.g. I even cannot put my wifi spot out-of-my-house
20:57.18PaulFert`max_posedon: same here.
20:57.40PaulFert`max_posedon: but you can actually use some 5GHz channels for new-cool-fast 802.11n, while we can't.
20:58.01max_posedononly if I bought it for myself, yes
20:58.12max_posedon(and keep it in my house)
20:58.29max_posedonbut we have ugly 3G rules
20:58.33max_posedonvery ugly
20:58.51PaulFert`We had no 3G in moscow until very recently.
20:59.10max_posedonand wimax not allowed anywhere except in one City)
20:59.29PaulFert`max_posedon: take a look at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-regdb.git;a=blob;f=db.txt;hb=HEAD
21:00.12DocScrutinizer51what's wimax?.;-P
21:00.42PaulFert`DocScrutinizer51: that's in fact the most cheap and fast mobile internet technology available in moscow atm.
21:00.59DocScrutinizer51not here though
21:03.07max_posedonPaulFert`, I didn't know that its so bad in russia)
21:03.28max_posedonbut in fact, we haven't good public(even payed) wifi in Minsk
21:03.40max_posedononly few cafes, etc.
21:04.03DocScrutinizer51same here
21:04.28max_posedonbut mobile internel in Moscow is kinda dream
21:04.51max_posedonPaulFert`, as I know you even have "wifi internet providers"
21:05.01PaulFert`max_posedon: they suck comparing to wimax providers.
21:05.14max_posedonand you also have 3G
21:05.36max_posedonin fact in Minsk we have not-very-cheap 3G recently, from one operator, and cdma
21:05.38DocScrutinizer51that's actually quite good here
21:05.40PaulFert`max_posedon: btw, the only wimax provider was caught red-handed censoring "extrimists" websites such as kasparov.ru , solidarnost.net and other opposition sites.
21:05.54DocScrutinizer51cdma eeerkkks
21:06.04DocScrutinizer51idiots
21:06.08max_posedonDocScrutinizer2, cdma evdo is really good and nice
21:06.30max_posedonand its not a hack like umts/edge/etc)
21:06.47max_posedonPaulFert`, our goverment censoring all internet sometimes
21:06.48DocScrutinizer51umts not exactly a hack
21:07.01max_posedonbecause all trafic goes through one point
21:07.12PaulFert`max_posedon: not surprisingly, your government sucks even more than ours imho.
21:07.24max_posedonone more surpise, if you don't know
21:07.50max_posedonsince 2 weeks ago, goverment allowed some people, control ALL emails and ALL internet browsing of all people
21:07.55Wonkaeeeh... UMTS _is_ some variant of CDMA... where is the loss vs. CDMA?
21:08.20max_posedonWonka, cdma is different
21:08.33max_posedonevdo variants really nice)
21:08.48PaulFert`max_posedon: is tor banned already? ;)
21:09.05max_posedonthey are stupid for this for now)
21:09.46max_posedonbut tor is slow, with our internet speed its very uncomfartable
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21:10.06PaulFert`Use better browser (text-mode) ;)
21:10.39Wonka"links" for the win
21:11.01max_posedonI prefer solutions like "vpn-to-normal-country")
21:11.27Wonkas/normal/free/ please
21:11.40PaulFert`Or that, if you can afford a vps, sure :)
21:12.08max_posedonfor now, yes, may be leter it won't be allowed)
21:13.31PaulFert`Heh, "Free people of Belarus! I'm pleased to introduce you to the great BY firewall, the ultimate solution to protect you from the evil in the outside world. Take care."
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21:15.10PaulFert`Too bad so many people either can't or do not want to actually understand Orwell and other great writers...
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