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| 03:19.09 | pabs3 | where does the shr contacts app store its data? I seem to have lost my contacts when I switched from shr-unstable to shr-testing |
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| 04:05.56 | Serdar | hi |
| 04:06.05 | Serdar | I am trying to build qi. |
| 04:06.19 | Serdar | err do I get qi support here anyway? |
| 04:09.04 | pabs3 | only if you ask a question :) |
| 04:10.53 | Serdar | If I try this: make CPU=s3c2442 I get the error: include/qi.h:26:27: error: asm/byteorder.h: No such file or directory |
| 04:11.05 | Serdar | the question is, where is it looking? |
| 04:11.33 | Serdar | or better, which byteorder.h does it need, that from host or target toolchain? |
| 04:12.38 | pabs3 | Serdar: looks like you need the Linux headers installed |
| 04:12.56 | Serdar | for host, they exist. |
| 04:12.57 | pabs3 | /usr/include is the standard location, unless you are using a cross-compiler |
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| 04:13.58 | pabs3 | yeah, you'll need ones for the freerunner |
| 04:14.08 | Serdar | there is a byteorder.h at /usr/include/asm |
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| 04:14.55 | Serdar | how can I say in the Makefile, where it need to look for these stuff? |
| 04:15.06 | Serdar | or add a new include. |
| 04:15.23 | Serdar | it's something -L but I don't know in which flag. |
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| 04:16.57 | pabs3 | if you're running make on the host, make CROSS_COMPILE=....path-to-cross-compiler should do it |
| 04:17.34 | pabs3 | if on the FR, perhaps make CPPFLAGS=-I/path/to/linux/headers |
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| 04:24.21 | Serdar | I try CPPFLAGS. |
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| 05:37.57 | Psi_ | hm.. where is the etk theme settings stored |
| 05:38.27 | Psi_ | i changed it using the gui to something that doesnt have the option to change it back |
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| 05:38.33 | Psi_ | need to change it back manually |
| 05:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi_: I suggest you check Home for files with correponding mtime |
| 05:47.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly somewhere in ~/.e/ |
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| 05:51.18 | Psi_ | thanks |
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| 06:12.53 | Broam | That was...interesting. My FreeRunner A7 actually worked...as a phone. |
| 06:13.10 | Broam | small wonder. :) |
| 06:15.01 | Psi_ | what battery life you getting? |
| 06:15.27 | Broam | so far, haven't really mucked with that...this is first day I've used my SIM |
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| 06:15.42 | Broam | A7, Euro version (yes I'm in US, yes I know what I got into) |
| 06:16.23 | Broam | Psi_: short version: not enough data. I've owned the phone for maybe 2 weeks and haven't had lots of time to play |
| 06:16.48 | Psi_ | ah |
| 06:17.29 | Broam | flashed to Qi (that was surprisingly easy)...SHR unstable on uSD (boot time is scary long), Om 2008? on nand |
| 06:27.36 | Broam | Anyway, it's 0127 here, maybe I'll start hanging out here more often since initial success worked. |
| 06:27.45 | Broam | ttyl |
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| 06:36.56 | BillK | whats a jpeg viewer for shr-testing? - hav lots of photos I want to display on the FR |
| 06:37.47 | pabs3 | BillK: om-neon is awesome |
| 06:37.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | I actually honestly need to check eventually why TF *so many* users switch to Qi. Even almost 0-day. Probably I'll find a wikipage telling scaring lies which I had to edit. |
| 06:38.11 | BillK | tkx |
| 06:38.33 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer51: switching from uboot to qi fixed WSOD for me |
| 06:38.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | pabs3: ooh. |
| 06:38.52 | BillK | DocScrutinizer51: because if we used u-boot we were supposed to be using old/unsupported software and were |
| 06:38.52 | pabs3 | thats the only reason I stayed with it |
| 06:39.13 | BillK | to be ostracised by andy |
| 06:39.37 | pabs3 | I prefer u-boot because I need the menu though. Qi's press aux to skip a partition is acceptable tho |
| 06:40.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | interesting. WSOD *should* be fixed in kernel space, according to my recommendations which are a year old now |
| 06:40.30 | pabs3 | wonders if newer kernels are in the pipeline for SHR |
| 06:41.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | pabs3: of course |
| 06:41.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | shr comes with new kernels and modules rather frequently |
| 06:41.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | see KMS |
| 06:43.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | Weiss (iirc) plans to finally implement sane LCM suspend (err actually powerdown) handling according to my recommendation |
| 06:43.47 | pabs3 | hmm, ok. I only see 2.6.29 in the repos |
| 06:44.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm' 31 will take a few more weeks. Mickey hopes for 31 very much, for devtmpfs |
| 06:45.01 | pabs3 | not .32? |
| 06:45.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | err maybe |
| 06:45.22 | pabs3 | anyway, off to dinner in windy Wellington, later |
| 06:45.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | too late here ;-) |
| 06:46.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | night |
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| 09:03.30 | naught101 | where is the stupid green "contact" alien image stored in SHR? |
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| 09:07.55 | Weiss | pabs3: probably I'll skip forward to 2.6.32 for KMS |
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| 10:27.45 | Psi_ | pabs3: you going to LCA2010? |
| 10:28.14 | pabs3 | yep |
| 10:28.20 | Psi_ | same |
| 10:28.33 | pabs3 | one day of cold, wind & rain until it starts |
| 10:28.41 | Psi_ | heh |
| 10:28.57 | pabs3 | any idea if there will be an openmoko BoF or something? |
| 10:29.24 | Psi_ | ive not heard of one |
| 10:29.43 | pabs3 | nothing on the wiki either |
| 10:30.06 | Psi_ | you got gta01 or 02? |
| 10:30.20 | pabs3 | 02, with SHR and Debian |
| 10:31.21 | Psi_ | 01 with SHR |
| 10:31.33 | Psi_ | i should try debian sometime |
| 10:32.37 | pabs3 | Debian isn't really usable as a phone, no-one has packaged SHR or other dialer/sms UIs yet |
| 10:32.52 | Psi_ | yeah, im just curious how debian works |
| 10:33.01 | Psi_ | im hoping 240x320 might work |
| 10:33.08 | Psi_ | doesnt work in shr on gta01 at all |
| 10:34.23 | Psi_ | ive only ever seen 240x320 work on gta01 back on OM2007 |
| 10:35.19 | Psi_ | be nice if i could get some movies playing on the phone |
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| 10:35.42 | Psi_ | gta01 just cant handle 480x640 movies |
| 10:36.08 | pabs3 | hasn't actually tried that |
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| 10:38.29 | josch | if mpeg2 encoded qvga movies are possible on gta01 |
| 10:39.07 | josch | but only if the output doesnt have to be scaled or rotated |
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| 10:39.37 | Psi_ | i can play movies at 240x320 on gta01 at 480x640 with black bands, seems to play fine |
| 10:39.39 | pabs3 | be nice if the glamo could be programmed with new codec support |
| 10:39.45 | Psi_ | so native 240x320 should work |
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| 10:40.39 | Psi_ | its too small to actually watch tho |
| 10:41.08 | josch | watched 300 on it :P |
| 10:42.25 | ThibG | video playback? Never ever tried :o |
| 10:42.59 | gena2x | wish mplayer compatible with Thomas White work... |
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| 10:45.57 | josch | well you dont want to watch videos on your phone anyways |
| 10:46.19 | josch | at least nothing like a movie or series |
| 10:46.29 | josch | youtube clips maybe |
| 10:46.35 | Psi_ | na, i disagree |
| 10:46.44 | Psi_ | id love to be able to watch a tv ep every now and then |
| 10:47.00 | Psi_ | if im getting bored waiting for something |
| 10:47.03 | josch | i just find the screen to small to enjoy it |
| 10:47.31 | gena2x | screen is good for train |
| 10:47.32 | Psi_ | buy one of those US$4K micro laser projector kits and duct tape it on :P |
| 10:48.05 | josch | sure - if the neo had any kind of video output... |
| 10:48.15 | Psi_ | heh |
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| 10:48.34 | Psi_ | you'd probably drain the battery in 10min anyway |
| 10:49.00 | josch | not on gta01 |
| 10:49.12 | Psi_ | you're right, 5min then |
| 10:49.23 | josch | no |
| 10:49.32 | josch | gta01 has no powered usb |
| 10:49.46 | Psi_ | true |
| 10:49.48 | gena2x | hm... actually never tries |
| 10:49.54 | gena2x | tried |
| 10:50.40 | gena2x | but why? it should not drain in 10min, as all is done in hw, only sound should eat 10-15 cpu |
| 10:50.59 | josch | haha |
| 10:51.17 | josch | gena2x: i think Psi_ spoko of a connected projector ;) |
| 10:51.23 | Psi_ | ^^ |
| 10:51.32 | gena2x | :) |
| 10:52.00 | josch | and 10min battery life is not possible anyways since there is no way to make the gta01 consume that much power |
| 10:52.12 | gena2x | you might get accamultors case with your |
| 10:52.22 | josch | everything switched on and cpu at 100% makes it long for around 4h |
| 10:52.45 | josch | gena2x: and what do you think is done in hw? |
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| 10:53.04 | josch | gena2x: additionally sound eats up much more than 10-15 cpu - where do you live? |
| 10:53.09 | gena2x | josch: on gta01? nothing :) |
| 10:53.39 | gena2x | josch: in Russia, freerunners are eating 10-15 for mp3 :) |
| 10:53.43 | Psi_ | http://www.microvision.com/pico_projector_displays/pek.html |
| 10:53.58 | tg | uu |
| 10:54.20 | gena2x | i can check actually.... |
| 10:54.35 | Psi_ | i must say tho, i do love the speakers in gta01, mm.. stereo |
| 10:54.57 | gena2x | headphones are better in train:) |
| 10:55.08 | Psi_ | heh yeah |
| 10:55.27 | Psi_ | but its nice to have stereo wave/mp3 as a ringtone, it just sounds better |
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| 10:57.03 | josch | gena2x: on gta01 with mplayer mp3 playback is around 80-90% |
| 10:57.06 | josch | just tested |
| 10:57.16 | gena2x | I think you using wrong codec |
| 10:57.19 | H_u_m_ | Psi_: mplayer on gta02: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#video_playing.2Fencoding |
| 10:57.29 | SpeedEvil | josch: not with teh right one |
| 10:57.32 | Psi_ | yeah, it uses much less than 80-90 when ya do it properly |
| 10:57.38 | SpeedEvil | josch: more like 15-20% IIRC |
| 10:57.51 | josch | SpeedEvil: what is the right one? |
| 10:57.52 | SpeedEvil | ~80%@60MHz |
| 10:57.58 | SpeedEvil | tremor? |
| 10:58.06 | josch | tremor is for vorbis |
| 10:58.13 | SpeedEvil | something like that - it's an integer math mp3 codec |
| 10:58.19 | SpeedEvil | libmad |
| 10:58.22 | SpeedEvil | It's been a while |
| 10:58.52 | Psi_ | yeah, mplayer is probably emulating a fpu and using that |
| 10:59.06 | pabs3 | mplayer's ffvorbis codec is teh suxzor |
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| 11:02.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/mplayer or http://www.mauve.plus.com/mplayer1 - are the binaries of mplayer I have in my backup. - one IIRC works with low CPU usage. |
| 11:02.50 | SpeedEvil | will take a couple of mins to upload |
| 11:02.50 | SpeedEvil | more like 10 |
| 11:03.29 | gena2x | omg, mplayer is not in the active processes list in top |
| 11:03.49 | gena2x | if i am using -ac ffmp3 |
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| 11:04.31 | gena2x | with nodebug/nopreempt kernel |
| 11:06.07 | josch | gena2x: awesome with ffmp3 cpu usage is down to 40% |
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| 11:08.28 | gena2x | josch: anyway, too much |
| 11:09.04 | josch | hehe |
| 11:09.10 | SpeedEvil | Both files uploaded now |
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| 11:09.20 | SpeedEvil | they are somewhat old - so there may be ABI changes or stuff |
| 11:09.53 | gena2x | josch: no, real fun - really 0% mplayer :) |
| 11:10.21 | gena2x | josch: sometimes 0.3% |
| 11:10.34 | josch | gena2x: when playing mp3 on gta01? |
| 11:10.43 | gena2x | josch: gta02 |
| 11:10.47 | josch | hah :P |
| 11:11.01 | gena2x | but cpus are same |
| 11:11.07 | josch | nearly |
| 11:11.10 | gena2x | and not hwmp3 i think? |
| 11:11.28 | josch | the socs are different |
| 11:11.35 | josch | and gta02 is more powerful |
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| 11:12.04 | SpeedEvil | Only twice. |
| 11:12.13 | SpeedEvil | And the FPU IIRC is identical |
| 11:12.14 | gena2x | someone should build nodebug kernel for gta01 to make users happy :) |
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| 11:12.45 | badcloud | anyone available to help me? I'm trying to compile 'remind' and it doesn't seem to be working |
| 11:13.26 | badcloud | I went according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#How_to_create_your_own_project_from_the_sample_project |
| 11:14.15 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m6434a22b |
| 11:15.03 | Psi_ | SpeedEvil: heh, 'mplayer' caused signal 11 in ao2_init 'mplayer1' just segfaulted |
| 11:16.11 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m5d7a6550 |
| 11:16.35 | gena2x | hmmmmmm.. something really wrong with top |
| 11:17.03 | gena2x | while playing one file, it shows no mplayer at all, while playing other one - 10%. |
| 11:17.14 | gena2x | bitrate should be bery similar |
| 11:17.43 | gena2x | while all other processes look fine. Someone cheating :) |
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| 11:18.24 | badcloud | ... |
| 11:18.30 | H_u_m_ | maybe use some open music, everybody is allowed to dl |
| 11:18.46 | gena2x | or just one of mp3s have some 'ideal' bitrate |
| 11:19.01 | Psi_ | ---> bed |
| 11:19.03 | Psi_ | nite |
| 11:19.04 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: -ao help - and then pick one - if it gets that far |
| 11:19.04 | gena2x | in fact music i listen is free to download |
| 11:19.05 | SpeedEvil | night |
| 11:19.33 | H_u_m_ | gena2x: ah, k |
| 11:19.43 | gena2x | time mplayer -really-quiet -ac ffmp3 ... mp3 |
| 11:19.48 | gena2x | real 2m36.815s |
| 11:19.48 | gena2x | user 0m3.410s |
| 11:19.48 | gena2x | sys 0m0.330s |
| 11:20.31 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.31 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.31 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.33 | josch | hehe |
| 11:20.59 | gena2x | really 300/159=2,5% average |
| 11:21.11 | gena2x | for one file |
| 11:22.30 | gena2x | i mean 400/159 in fact |
| 11:22.56 | gena2x | while real 2m45.688s |
| 11:22.56 | gena2x | user 0m22.990s |
| 11:22.56 | gena2x | sys 0m0.350s |
| 11:23.01 | gena2x | for other one |
| 11:23.10 | gena2x | ~10% average |
| 11:25.12 | gena2x | oh, clean it's '64.0 kbit/8.33%' mp3 vs '96.0 kbit/6.80%' |
| 11:25.23 | gena2x | and 96 one is faster :) |
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| 11:25.52 | gena2x | hm..... |
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| 11:38.56 | badcloud | could anyone tell me where I slipped? I'd love to start packaging .ipk's |
| 11:40.09 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m6434a22b |
| 11:40.11 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m5d7a6550 |
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| 12:22.35 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:24.58 | badcloud | hey, pb |
| 12:26.25 | badcloud | maybe you could help me. have you tried the om toolchain yet? |
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| 12:32.59 | Heinervdm | badcloud: for what distri do you want to build? |
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| 12:33.58 | badcloud | Heinervdm: I guess I don't have a good answer for that. I'm trying to compile the 'remind' application for use in shr/om |
| 12:34.37 | badcloud | this is the error I get when I try to 'make': Makefile:499: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 12:35.09 | badcloud | om-conf seems to work without a hitch apart from 'configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-mainainer-mode' |
| 12:36.46 | badcloud | Heinervdm: thoughts? |
| 12:37.37 | Heinervdm | badcloud: if you want to build an app for shr, then the om toolchain is mostly outdated |
| 12:37.48 | Heinervdm | it links against the wrong libs |
| 12:38.12 | badcloud | I see |
| 12:38.25 | badcloud | I couldn't find the shr-t/u toolchain anywhere |
| 12:39.05 | Heinervdm | for SHR you should use bitbake |
| 12:39.29 | Heinervdm | http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed |
| 12:43.39 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:43.55 | badcloud | can't wrap my head around bb |
| 12:46.52 | badcloud | which file do the lines SRC_URI etc. belong to? |
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| 16:08.41 | Laibsch | Hi |
| 16:08.51 | Laibsch | What's up with http://proejcts.openmoko.org? |
| 16:08.57 | Laibsch | is that still maintained? |
| 16:09.22 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: well |
| 16:09.41 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: there're basically two guys who has admin access |
| 16:09.47 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: community members |
| 16:09.52 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: not much free time |
| 16:09.54 | PaulFertser | etc etc |
| 16:10.00 | PaulFertser | Better to use github or whatever |
| 16:14.02 | Laibsch | OK, thanks |
| 16:14.06 | Laibsch | It's not really for me |
| 16:14.20 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: what is not for you? |
| 16:14.22 | Laibsch | I'm making sure all recipes we have in OE actually do fetch correctly |
| 16:14.28 | Laibsch | ^ |
| 16:15.12 | PaulFertser | Laibsch: i see. Probably it worth making a list of all project authors to mail them asking to move away from projects.openmoko.org |
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| 18:52.01 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ | hackable:1 rev5 is out ! |
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| 20:02.37 | alabd | Hello , A7 has Buzz , is it possible or it is A6 ? |
| 20:03.48 | PaulFertser | alabd: how exactly do you say it has buzz? |
| 20:04.49 | alabd | paul with and without headphone for both there is the similar buzz |
| 20:05.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: do you hear the buzz or does the other side hears buzz? |
| 20:05.31 | alabd | the other side |
| 20:07.11 | PaulFertser | alabd: with wired headset the other side will hear the buzz with any revision, that's known. |
| 20:07.59 | alabd | yes here fr has without headphone also |
| 20:08.08 | alabd | inside mic |
| 20:08.21 | PaulFertser | alabd: with A7 the other side shouldn't hear GSM buzz. But if the mixer settings are wrong, the other side might hear sound distortion of any kind, probably they misintepret it for the gsm buzz, no? |
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| 20:08.40 | sifr | hello |
| 20:09.23 | sifr | i was wondering if anybody is using freerunner a7? |
| 20:09.40 | alabd | sifr: why ? hello |
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| 20:10.19 | sifr | well im thinking of getting it but im not sure how mature it is atm |
| 20:10.50 | PaulFertser | sifr: if you love tinkering, it's ok. If not -- probably you want to choose something more user-friendly. |
| 20:11.10 | alabd | PaulFertser: maybe humble heard buzz myself and it is the same as headphone buzz |
| 20:11.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: no, the gsm buzz is something that only the other side hears. |
| 20:11.35 | alabd | PaulFertser: which parametere of alsamixer exactly you mean ? |
| 20:11.47 | groszek | alabd, if you have shr, there are two volumes on the phonecall screen. I had simillar problem, lowering those helped, and made the sound brilliant on both sides |
| 20:11.49 | PaulFertser | Oh, that's a very complicated topic... |
| 20:12.00 | alabd | PaulFertser: humble mean myself was on 2 side |
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| 20:12.33 | sifr | i do like tinkering however i would want it to work as a phone by default atleast. do you guys use it as your primary phone? |
| 20:12.36 | groszek | um, if you keep both phones close, then all phones will get this problem⦠not just fr |
| 20:12.59 | alabd | groszek: no that like |
| 20:13.28 | groszek | it's like getting microphone close to the speaker it uses :) |
| 20:13.35 | alabd | groszek: anyway which one mic or speaker volume ? |
| 20:13.54 | groszek | I lowered both to about 1/3 |
| 20:14.10 | alabd | groszek: thanks |
| 20:14.33 | groszek | try playing with those, you should be able to get results you want |
| 20:15.36 | alabd | groszek: ok will be tested later thanks |
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| 22:23.39 | blodge | hey my freerunner won't turn on. its been in the attic for 3 months. now nothing :( any ideas? tried charger + batt, charger, batt. |
| 22:25.10 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery |
| 22:25.15 | max_posedon | What to do if your battery has become completely discharged |
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