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| 04:34.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing |
| 04:34.30 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 05:35.47 | brian_ | ~flashed |
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| 06:02.51 | brian_ | ahhhhhhh.... the growing pains |
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| 06:03.56 | Undrwater | brian_: ? |
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| 06:04.52 | brian_ | just reading the kernel -dev lists |
| 06:05.34 | Undrwater | ahh |
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| 07:14.29 | pabs3 | anyone else having problems with shr-unstable? shr-settings can't seem to change any settings and also ffalarms isn't waking the FR up from suspend |
| 07:18.43 | ThibG | pabs3, there are problems with elementary's slides, and lately, with alternatives using busybox for ps, init, and other things |
| 07:19.16 | pabs3 | sounds like I'm getting bitten by the first one for sure |
| 07:22.38 | pabs3 | are there any bugs/threads about these? |
| 07:23.11 | pabs3 | reminds self never to upgrade the day before a flight |
| 07:32.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. |
| 07:32.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | if it helps your mood, I'm reinstalling mine today :/ |
| 07:33.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | ooooh shr-testing has a tux on bootup :O |
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| 07:39.04 | pabs3 | tries shr-testing |
| 07:39.22 | pabs3 | does shr-testing work the same as Debian testing? |
| 07:39.34 | ThibG | I guess not |
| 07:40.29 | pabs3 | hmm, so it is more shr-testing ~ Debian sid and shr-unstable ~ Debian experimental? |
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| 07:42.24 | pabs3 | ouch, nasty pidgin vulnerability recently, hope it is fixed in SHR |
| 07:44.57 | ThibG | pabs3, SHR unstable is more likely to be broken than debian unstable, but it's a full archive, unlike debian experimental |
| 07:45.42 | ThibG | and I'm not a SHR dev, but I think SHR testing is the result of manual changes, and not an automatic distribution with clear rules like debian testing |
| 07:47.26 | JaMa | yes shr-t is just based on few weeks old shr-u with manual cherry-pick of important fixes from shr-u |
| 07:48.47 | ThibG | (oh, but that's my mentor :)) |
| 07:49.11 | pabs3 | :) |
| 07:51.04 | ThibG | by the way, does debian run great on FR? |
| 07:51.24 | ThibG | I don't have a µSD yet, but when I'll have one, I would try for sure |
| 07:52.27 | pabs3 | it runs fine. e17 is available, but none of the SHR dialer/etc apps. there are also a couple of other Debian derivatives using alternative UIs; QtMoko, hackable1 and so on |
| 07:52.58 | ThibG | ok |
| 07:53.03 | pabs3 | no Debian kernel will run on it though, you need one from pkg-fso or QtMoko or whatever |
| 07:53.27 | pabs3 | mokomaze and intone work nicely though and are in the repo :) |
| 07:55.06 | ThibG | too bad there isn't anything to use it like a phone in the repo :/ |
| 07:56.08 | zeroedout | um, zhone? |
| 07:56.22 | ThibG | oh, yeah, forgot about it |
| 07:57.31 | ThibG | well, maybe I'll buy a µSD today, and give it a try :) |
| 07:58.02 | pabs3 | plans to package qi and somehow get ffalarms and stuff in |
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| 07:59.30 | ThibG | last time I've tried to install zhone on my computer (that was before having the FR), EFL packages were all messed up |
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| 08:00.25 | ThibG | some parts of the EFL depending on -svn-3 packages, others on -svn-5, those two conflicting |
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| 08:43.24 | pabs3 | hmm, I think I need puppet or something, setting up shr with my config changes from an image is kinda annoying |
| 08:48.38 | pabs3 | hmm, shr-testing has screen artifacts |
| 08:49.25 | pabs3 | and no on-screen keyboard, weirdness |
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| 09:01.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, i see mokomaze filling in a lot of time at the airport tomorrow |
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| 10:17.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. i hate this bit of the process *pecks away with stylus to configure networking* |
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| 11:09.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Can someone recommend an ogg/mp3 player for SHR testing? I'm about to check out the net, but a recommendation is always nice :) |
| 11:10.14 | tomcatek | Kamping_Kaiser: intone? |
| 11:10.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | tomcatek: thats a thought. its probably stopped crashing by now |
| 11:11.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | tries it out, thanks |
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| 12:44.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. Intone is crashy as always :/ |
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| 12:51.17 | alfatangoxt | http://www.mangler.org/ |
| 12:51.26 | alfatangoxt | :) sorry spam |
| 12:52.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay, music out of the freerunner! <3 to all |
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| 12:52.44 | pd_failure | hello all |
| 12:53.40 | pd_failure | im guessing only but openmoko (shr or other) counld block incoming calls from specified numbers? |
| 12:54.45 | mjr | don't know if there's code for that but surely you can do it ;) |
| 12:57.53 | pd_failure | mjr: i dont remember but somewhere was an article about it ... damn i dont remember web site :( |
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| 13:09.00 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hi :) |
| 13:09.36 | PaulFertser | lindi-: can you possibly explain me why the fuck did i need to waste like 3 hours debugging OpenOCD just to find out that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452977 is still not fixed? :( |
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| 13:16.41 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no idea, i haven't used mingw32 much :) |
| 13:17.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: nope, i'm asking you as the one who understands debian in deep, it's not mingw problem. |
| 13:17.27 | lindi- | PaulFertser: each maintainer is the dictator of his/her own package :P |
| 13:19.38 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes but why the hell such a small and vital patch is not applied? :(( |
| 13:20.17 | lindi- | PaulFertser: that'd require me to read and understand the specific issue :) |
| 13:20.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's sad to spend so much time due to first microsoft fucking up their *snprintf versions, mingw providing a buggy replacement and debian shipping the version without the fix that was included 2 years ago :( |
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| 13:22.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: 2 years is nothing :) |
| 13:23.04 | PaulFertser | for debian probably yes |
| 13:27.54 | lindi- | is drowning in C++ error messages at the moment.. |
| 13:29.54 | gena2x | PaulFertser: just kick maintainer, sometimes this helps. |
| 13:30.45 | gena2x | PaulFertser: and stop using mingw32 stuff - it is evil :) |
| 13:32.59 | gena2x | PaulFertser: because using mingw32 is always waste of your time ;) |
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| 13:43.07 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i was required to provide an openocd build with my patch (allows flashing eeprom via jtag) for windows, what else could i do... |
| 13:44.21 | Defiant | grml who deprecated enlightenment_remote without a replacement...good idea. :( |
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| 15:13.07 | slaxxer | which kernel for shr has latest improvments? |
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| 15:22.09 | gena2x | slaxxer: you should use 2.6.29 from andy-tracking |
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| 15:22.35 | valos | slaxxer: or http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/kms/images/om-gta02/ |
| 15:23.21 | gena2x | i think mrmoku kernels are still build with debug info |
| 15:23.29 | gena2x | and .31 .32 still not working |
| 15:25.41 | gena2x | so, best thing is to use some kernels from this thread http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-January/059102.html |
| 15:26.06 | accu4 | anyone on SHR-T and a tangogps user? |
| 15:26.27 | accumulator | I have a much improved tangogps IPK ready for testing |
| 15:27.21 | accumulator | it's now lightning fast :) |
| 15:27.39 | valos | gena2x: where can I find andy-tracking kernel image and modules ? |
| 15:28.34 | gena2x | valos: people built it, i posted link with letter where is link. |
| 15:29.13 | gena2x | valos: check link above |
| 15:29.31 | accumulator | anyone? |
| 15:29.35 | gena2x | valos: also radek built one, follow that thread |
| 15:30.11 | valos | gena2x: ok |
| 15:32.52 | gena2x | gena2x: btw, i meant not plain andy tracking, but with removed debug info/preemption. |
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| 15:35.44 | babamelone | Hi, I just broke SHR on my freerunner by performing an update. To keep the contacts I copied the current image to my pc. But it cannot mount it with mount -t jffs2 image directory |
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| 15:36.35 | gena2x | you should add -o loop as a bare minimum |
| 15:36.50 | gena2x | dunno if it'll be really mounted after that |
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| 15:38.15 | babamelone | gena2x: Is jffs2 really a loop device. Anyway, it still wont mount |
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| 15:38.52 | babamelone | Nevertheless with -o loop dmesg outputs at least MTD: Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop0" |
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| 15:39.26 | mickeyl | you need mtdblock |
| 15:39.27 | accumulator | anyone care to test a new faster tangogps? |
| 15:39.31 | mickeyl | then dd it into an mtdblock |
| 15:39.34 | gena2x | babamelone:http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html#L_loopback |
| 15:39.40 | mickeyl | and then mount /dev/mtd/0 |
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| 15:47.05 | babamelone | thanks, now it works |
| 15:48.10 | babamelone | can anyone tell me what files I have keep containing the contacts and the receive/transceived messages? |
| 15:49.15 | babamelone | Im using SHR btw |
| 15:56.27 | babamelone | The SHR blog says, opimd saves the messages and contacts by default on a SQLite database in the flash memory. So where can I find this |
| 16:04.27 | groszek | hm, what would be better, android cupcake or eclair? |
| 16:05.11 | ThibG | babamelone, /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ |
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| 16:05.58 | elopio | hello people. |
| 16:07.49 | elopio | I would love to have a menu in shr, like the one in android. This menu will show all the installed applications. And the desktop will show only the ones I use the most. |
| 16:08.05 | elopio | have you received this feature request before? |
| 16:08.24 | elopio | was it rejected? :) |
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| 16:26.01 | KoFish | is there any good reason why there isn't a piemenu based system on openmoko yet? |
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| 18:14.24 | accumulator | anyone here willing to test an improved tangogps? |
| 18:17.39 | tomcatek | accumulator: what wos improved? |
| 18:18.08 | accumulator | speed |
| 18:18.34 | accumulator | and a bunch of bugs |
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| 18:23.48 | accumulator | anyway, IPK is here : http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/tangogps/tangogps_0.99.2-r2.4_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:23.59 | accumulator | for SHR-T |
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| 19:57.30 | groszek | is it possible to drain battery when FR is flashing? Or is it charged at that time? |
| 19:58.11 | m4lvin | it's not charged, i think |
| 19:58.20 | m4lvin | so u have battery drain |
| 19:58.35 | groszek | hmh :F |
| 19:58.40 | groszek | I hope it'll survive the process |
| 19:58.54 | groszek | and btw, it's much longer than the wiki says, it's around 3 hours for ~90 mb image |
| 19:59.07 | m4lvin | wow, that's too slow |
| 19:59.16 | m4lvin | are you sure the flashing is still running? |
| 19:59.21 | groszek | yes |
| 19:59.28 | groszek | well I just started it, it's just how it was before |
| 19:59.32 | groszek | ## for now ;] |
| 19:59.37 | m4lvin | u r using dfu-util? |
| 19:59.40 | groszek | yes |
| 19:59.42 | gena2x | groszek: seem too long |
| 19:59.49 | gena2x | restart |
| 19:59.51 | gena2x | it |
| 19:59.55 | groszek | it's always like that |
| 19:59.55 | m4lvin | more than one hour is definetly to long |
| 19:59.57 | m4lvin | yes |
| 20:00.02 | groszek | for now it's just 5 minutes |
| 20:00.23 | m4lvin | so how fast does it go to the two ## ? |
| 20:00.36 | groszek | a little over 5 minutes, I'd say :P |
| 20:00.56 | groszek | but whole process takes around 3 hours |
| 20:00.59 | gena2x | just terminate it and start again |
| 20:01.07 | groszek | but it _always_ was that slow |
| 20:01.20 | groszek | I flashed it several times already, different images etc |
| 20:01.28 | m4lvin | hm, what pc do you use to flash it? what linux? |
| 20:01.34 | groszek | it's windows |
| 20:01.39 | gena2x | :) |
| 20:02.03 | groszek | hm, might try on linux box, why not... |
| 20:02.18 | m4lvin | argh, ok |
| 20:02.25 | m4lvin | definetly |
| 20:02.28 | m4lvin | use linux |
| 20:02.47 | m4lvin | or at least a vmware with linux and attach the neo while the vm is running |
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| 20:03.19 | groszek | no, I have another computer here ;) |
| 20:03.36 | m4lvin | ok |
| 20:04.29 | m4lvin | another way is transfering the image and some os on a sd-card, bott from it and let the neo flash itself with dd |
| 20:04.54 | groszek | hm, android installs from sdcard, it all takes 2 minutes or so |
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| 20:06.31 | groszek | hm. I'll install android from sdcard I still have there and full charge it |
| 20:06.47 | groszek | that might be best thing for now |
| 20:07.11 | m4lvin | well, ok |
| 20:07.19 | m4lvin | and really: use linux ;-) |
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| 20:07.53 | groszek | I refuse to start another holy war ;-) |
| 20:09.43 | gena2x | cool, xpdf is FAST. |
| 20:14.13 | lindi- | gena2x: mupdf is lot faster |
| 20:17.37 | groszek | btw, can someone 'grep -i bogomips /proc/cpuinfo' on FR ? |
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| 20:21.02 | tomcatek | groszek: root@moskito ~ $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ogo |
| 20:21.02 | tomcatek | BogoMIPS: 198.65 |
| 20:21.06 | tomcatek | root@moskito ~ $ |
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| 20:34.28 | groszek | hm, this is slower than my other phone with 312mhz cpu which gets up to 300 bogomips |
| 20:34.39 | groszek | strange |
| 20:35.01 | groszek | would buy freerunner with atom/snapdragon ;-) |
| 20:35.12 | tomcatek | or mine is slow |
| 20:35.36 | groszek | no, I wanted to see if mine is slow, and it's the same |
| 20:36.06 | tomcatek | maybye some overclocking? :] |
| 20:36.28 | groszek | and get stationary phone? :] |
| 20:37.02 | tomcatek | with cpu scalling :P |
| 20:37.05 | gena2x | lindi-: wth, not in debian!? oh... totally true console app. supports page down, and rotation, no search, no menu, no page number. pure pdf viewer |
| 20:37.41 | kirun | Yeah... a phone with atom, with the battery to keep it running all day you'd do weight training when you lifted it up to talk |
| 20:37.50 | groszek | *pure* pdf viewer? ***PURE*** ? Try 'file' ;-) |
| 20:37.59 | groszek | or ls |
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| 20:38.33 | groszek | kirun, well, it'd be suspended most of the time, like FR |
| 20:38.59 | groszek | the cpu is very power efficient, and netbooks get 7+ hours battery life on 9cells |
| 20:39.03 | groszek | not so heavy |
| 20:39.12 | groszek | well, when it comes to dual-xeon in cellphone... |
| 20:39.58 | kirun | You could get one of those 80s phones and mod it |
| 20:40.22 | tomcatek | i have some very old siemens cell :) |
| 20:40.52 | kirun | If you have a battery belt pack, change the cells for modern ones and you're away |
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| 20:43.06 | lindi- | gena2x: not in debian yet |
| 20:43.23 | lindi- | gena2x: i have unofficial packaging for it though |
| 20:44.07 | lindi- | gena2x: rotation in mupdf is also not limited to 90 degree steps :) |
| 20:44.58 | gena2x | lindi-: yes, i noticed. do you like to view pdfs 5 degree rotated? |
| 20:45.22 | groszek | integrate it with accelerometer |
| 20:45.27 | groszek | and it's cool rotation possibility |
| 20:45.32 | groszek | always straight horizontal |
| 20:45.43 | gena2x | lindi-: i am always using xpdf - it is lacking only utf-8 search for me |
| 20:46.43 | lindi- | gena2x: xpdf also lacks zooming at 120%? |
| 20:49.14 | gena2x | lindi-: need 120? i'm happy with 125 ;) |
| 20:49.33 | gena2x | lindi-: xpdf uses motif |
| 20:50.08 | lindi- | gena2x: 450 would be nice |
| 20:50.34 | lindi- | gena2x: have you read "The X Windows Disaster"? ;) |
| 20:51.59 | gena2x | lindi-: btw, only program which kills me with such kind of features (like 5° rotation) was old true version of imagemagick, which only program in earth did true cuts. |
| 20:52.38 | lindi- | gena2x: true cuts? |
| 20:52.53 | lindi- | lossless jpeg cuts? |
| 20:53.22 | gena2x | lindi-: not jpeg. yes. then you press 'cut', you see nice rectangular hole in window |
| 20:54.04 | gena2x | lindi-: new versions lack this feature :((( |
| 20:54.43 | groszek | http://code.google.com/p/inferno-openmoko/ |
| 20:54.45 | groszek | huhuh |
| 21:03.24 | gena2x | groszek: hm. never saw working inferno or plan9 |
| 21:03.45 | groszek | I saw it only under windows, but it's pretty cool |
| 21:03.53 | groszek | (it can even work as activex in IE ;-)) |
| 21:04.41 | groszek | I see there is even nintendo-ds version of it |
| 21:05.02 | gena2x | groszek: working as activex in IE seems disadvantage for me ;) |
| 21:05.33 | groszek | it's aim is to work everywhere in the same manner, no matter if it's real hardware or some weird environment like activex object |
| 21:05.47 | groszek | however the language used is a little mindfuck for me :) |
| 21:06.36 | groszek | if you never tried inferno, do, it's cool. |
| 21:07.00 | gena2x | groszek: i'm for 1 week on openmoko irc, but now have things to digest for 2 months. |
| 21:07.46 | groszek | hrhr. |
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| 21:30.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | inferno? sounds tempting like sniffing pattex |
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| 21:31.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | well on maemo you have to flash fiasko images. Not a jota better name |
| 21:32.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | and even OM had asassin |
| 21:33.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | which I fail to associate to a special function or app til today - wonder why |
| 21:38.22 | groszek | inferno, it's protocol called styx, programming language limbo and virtual machine Dis |
| 21:38.31 | groszek | :] |
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| 23:27.44 | groszek | has anyone seen a problem where booting of SHR stops on "freeing unused kernel memory" ? |
| 23:28.23 | groszek | if I connect/disconnect usb, it shows messages regarding charging |
| 23:28.54 | groszek | this image worked before, and even today, before I turned it off and on... then I even reinstalled, but problem is still there... |
| 23:30.37 | groszek | hm. I think I know the problem, android test installed Qi, and when I boot from aux+power it gives me penguin logo |
| 23:30.49 | groszek | just to note :F |
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