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| 00:58.15 | Guest22909 | Jama: thanks again, at least my FreeRunner is booting again. |
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| 01:17.41 | PaulFertser | It'd be interesting to know if he reflashed or had actually followed Jama's advice. |
| 01:17.44 | PaulFertser | :) |
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| 01:43.54 | mjr | OM mention: http://www.gpf-comics.com/ |
| 01:45.38 | tim_abell | has insomnia thanks to a head full of ideas for the neo |
| 01:46.01 | CVirus | tim_abell: spare me some for my bachelor project :-D |
| 01:46.53 | tim_abell | lol |
| 01:47.45 | tim_abell | finish PodPooch for me ?! |
| 01:48.08 | CVirus | link ? |
| 01:48.17 | tim_abell | :-D |
| 01:48.24 | CVirus | got it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PodPooch |
| 01:49.29 | CVirus | i'm not sure if one of my professors would approve that :-D |
| 01:49.40 | tim_abell | that would have taken me a while to type on the fr keyboard ! |
| 01:50.23 | tim_abell | how about mesh networking then |
| 01:50.35 | tim_abell | always a winner |
| 01:51.14 | tim_abell | or zigbee home automation |
| 01:52.01 | tim_abell | what's your subject? |
| 01:52.14 | CVirus | I'm thinking or proposing something |
| 01:52.39 | CVirus | there is another guy working on home automation and zigbee already |
| 01:52.57 | CVirus | thinking of* |
| 01:53.56 | tim_abell | sorry i meant your degree subject . computer science i presume |
| 01:54.16 | CVirus | oh yeah |
| 01:55.06 | tim_abell | i did cybernetics and control engineering at reading uni |
| 01:55.28 | CVirus | nice |
| 01:58.31 | CVirus | I really want something that is software engineering related |
| 01:58.38 | CVirus | but can't think of any thing so far |
| 01:59.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering about using my neo1973 for a microwave oven controller. |
| 01:59.56 | tim_abell | new os that is more appropriate to the platform than linux ? |
| 02:00.10 | SpeedEvil | That's a hell of a lot of work. |
| 02:00.25 | SpeedEvil | Also - the FR and neo1973 are quite large enough for linux. |
| 02:00.31 | SpeedEvil | there isn't any real problem there. |
| 02:00.35 | tim_abell | lol ;-) |
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| 02:02.28 | tim_abell | control an rc car with the accelerometers ? |
| 02:02.47 | tim_abell | would be fun |
| 02:02.49 | SpeedEvil | has no accels. |
| 02:03.04 | CVirus | hehe .. that's nice |
| 02:03.36 | CVirus | implemented http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdMVS1jIwrE |
| 02:05.59 | CVirus | this is going to be too much of hardware work if I'll implement it for the Neo |
| 02:06.14 | CVirus | i have no experience with RC cars |
| 02:06.32 | CVirus | I'll need interface with its controllers and so |
| 02:06.34 | CVirus | hmm |
| 02:06.37 | CVirus | need to* |
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| 02:06.46 | SpeedEvil | generally you simply apply PWM to a servo |
| 02:06.50 | SpeedEvil | 50ms period |
| 02:07.20 | SpeedEvil | 0.2ms high = left/low-throttle/backwards, 1.2ms high = right/high-throttle/forwards |
| 02:07.27 | CVirus | hmm |
| 02:07.42 | SpeedEvil | so you need maybe 2 servos for a typical car, or up to 6 for some helis or planes. |
| 02:07.54 | CVirus | nice |
| 02:08.18 | SpeedEvil | And you can read servo outputs from the reciever module similarly. |
| 02:08.26 | CVirus | and a bluetooth module |
| 02:08.32 | SpeedEvil | there exist also usb-servo drivers |
| 02:08.40 | SpeedEvil | for the robotics crowd |
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| 02:10.55 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: got more ideas for a bachelor project ? |
| 02:11.11 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: get married? |
| 02:11.18 | CVirus | LOL |
| 02:11.24 | CVirus | I have a gf already |
| 02:11.59 | SpeedEvil | Not really. Depends what field you're in really. |
| 02:12.59 | CVirus | i'm into software engineering |
| 02:13.03 | CVirus | I love software engineering |
| 02:13.57 | SpeedEvil | is currently poking round inside of n900 kernel. Fun. |
| 02:14.07 | SpeedEvil | Or annoying, I haven't decided yet. |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | And wishing I could take it apart to solder crap to it. |
| 02:14.52 | CVirus | hehe |
| 02:15.21 | SpeedEvil | I want a compass and a gyro. |
| 02:16.01 | SpeedEvil | For the neo - I have a lovely big stainless steel featureful microwave - with a broken controller. |
| 02:16.28 | SpeedEvil | With some smarts it could do interesting things like boil off water at a preset rate |
| 02:16.52 | SpeedEvil | Keeping the humidity in the output air constant |
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| 02:21.21 | tim_abell | thanks for the chat , eh |
| 02:22.12 | tim_abell | think i'll be able to sleep now |
| 02:22.21 | tim_abell | zzz |
| 02:22.32 | tim_abell | laters |
| 02:22.50 | tim_abell | and good luck |
| 02:23.13 | tim_abell | let me know what you choose |
| 02:23.21 | SpeedEvil | night! |
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| 08:39.58 | naught101_ | I just installed the latest SHR image, and now when I connect my FR via usb, I get nothing |
| 08:40.21 | naught101_ | lsusb doesn't show the device.. |
| 08:43.35 | naught101_ | and lsusb on the FR shows nothing at all - not even any linux foundation root hubs |
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| 08:52.34 | gena2x | naught101_: did you tried reloading usb module? |
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| 08:56.48 | naught101_ | gena2x: no.. usb_core? |
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| 09:08.31 | naught101_ | gena2x: there doesn't appear to be a usb module... SHR install instructions mention copying a tar.gz onto the FR and then running depmod, but I don't know how to copy anything onto the FR, cause I don't have a USB connection... |
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| 09:26.38 | naught101_ | damn. anyone have any idea how to get usb working on SHR? |
| 09:26.50 | PaulFertser | naught101_: SHR should already have all the modules |
| 09:27.02 | PaulFertser | naught101_: on FR there should be g_ether loaded |
| 09:27.44 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: it's not though |
| 09:27.48 | PaulFertser | naught101_: lsusb on FR shouldn't show much |
| 09:27.55 | PaulFertser | naught101_: try loading it manually then |
| 09:28.09 | naught101_ | no, but lsmod|grep eth doesn't either |
| 09:28.14 | naught101_ | modprobe g_ether doesn't work |
| 09:29.09 | PaulFertser | naught101_: how exactly doesn't it work? |
| 09:29.18 | gena2x | naught101_: oh, i get idea, may be you just flashed wrong kernel. do you have same dates of kernel image and shr rootfs? |
| 09:29.51 | gena2x | PaulFertser: morning |
| 09:29.56 | PaulFertser | gena2x: morning |
| 09:30.10 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: FATAL: Could not load... |
| 09:30.19 | PaulFertser | naught101_: check dmesg |
| 09:30.20 | naught101_ | gena2x: that could be it |
| 09:30.42 | gena2x | naught101_: check on shr site and reflash |
| 09:30.54 | gena2x | naught101_: if in doubt |
| 09:31.08 | naught101_ | ok, I will try that |
| 09:32.28 | naught101_ | gena2x: it's safe to flash the kernel without flashing the rootfs, right? |
| 09:32.36 | PaulFertser | gena2x: dmesg can tell for sure why module can't be loaded |
| 09:32.38 | gena2x | naught101_: sure |
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| 09:34.42 | gena2x | PaulFertser: yes, but 95% percent that problem is in that i've told |
| 09:34.57 | naught101_ | damn.. I'm not sure which file I need. the modprobe error is: |
| 09:35.07 | PaulFertser | gena2x: like i said i do not like to do or advice things i do not fully understand :) |
| 09:35.53 | naught101_ | ah... right, I accidentally flashed the qtmoko kernel :/ |
| 09:36.59 | gena2x | PaulFertser: hear? |
| 09:38.11 | PaulFertser | gena2x: if you just told him reflash the kernel it would look like magic and he's not motivated to look at dmesg output the next time he sees a problem. |
| 09:39.03 | gena2x | PaulFertser: do you know how elf file loaded to memory on arm? but you loading application without problems think that you know that you are doing, and it is, even you not encourged to learn ABI |
| 09:39.21 | PaulFertser | gena2x: hm, in fact i've read about arm abi |
| 09:39.32 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: it's ok, I know why you're asking me to check dmesg |
| 09:39.38 | PaulFertser | gena2x: and the most important thing is that i know where to look |
| 09:39.40 | gena2x | PaulFertser: in details :) |
| 09:39.52 | naught101_ | but it's pretty painful without ssh... :D |
| 09:40.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: yes, i've read series of blogpost written by the guy who wrote dynamic linker translating OABI->EABI with the purpose of running gllin on gta01. |
| 09:40.34 | gena2x | naught101_: this is continuation of out previous talk with Paul, take that in accaunt |
| 09:41.52 | naught101_ | :) |
| 09:41.59 | PaulFertser | gena2x: well, i like digging the things. Many people do not. And i also like it when people learn. |
| 09:42.41 | gena2x | PaulFertser: you true hacker :) I studiing only areas of interest - it's impossible to know everything :) |
| 09:43.25 | PaulFertser | gena2x: for us it's obvious that when host doesn't behave one way or another it's usually beneficial to take a look at dmesg. If it becomes so for naught101_ probably he'll save his time whenever he sees problems again. |
| 09:44.08 | gena2x | PaulFertser: but he already know about dmesg, listen to him. |
| 09:44.20 | PaulFertser | gena2x: heh, i'm ready to study almost anything. Not really deep though. Just recently i watched a lecture about biology and "creating life". ;) |
| 09:44.57 | tim_abell | you sure that wasn't on one of those paid for channels? :D |
| 09:45.18 | gena2x | PaulFertser: heh, few years ago i moved my sight to history. |
| 09:45.18 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: recording from Wonderfest |
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| 09:45.45 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: hm, porno-lecture probably would be fun to watch but i'm yet to find one :) |
| 09:46.03 | gena2x | PaulFertser: one can spend as much time as have learning history :) |
| 09:46.11 | PaulFertser | gena2x: indeed |
| 09:46.28 | tim_abell | http://www.wonderfest.com/ <- this one? |
| 09:47.08 | tim_abell | http://www.wonderfest.org/wp/ <- this looks more likely |
| 09:47.16 | naught101_ | yay... finally... I reflashed it wrong again, but now it's working |
| 09:47.40 | naught101_ | Shr and qtmoko images/kernels need to be named appropriately... |
| 09:47.45 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: first i watched this http://fora.tv/2009/11/08/Science_Laughs_Science_Comedian_Brian_Malow |
| 09:48.37 | tim_abell | cool |
| 09:48.46 | tim_abell | thx for the link |
| 09:49.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i understand you position and think it's equally good. mb i spend just too much time on commercical development with release dates and so :) |
| 09:49.41 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: most videos are 'downloadable' and can be watched directly with mplayer. |
| 09:50.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: btw, thanks for mentioning CCC, i had fun watching videos from where. |
| 09:51.55 | PaulFertser | gena2x: (commercial development) well, just yesterday i've read again the old joke about the apple tree where the monkey is told "think" and starts thinking and reaches for a stick whereas a military guy when told "think" says "no time for thinking, gotta shake!". |
| 09:52.17 | PaulFertser | gena2x: (ccc) i'm yet to view all those i want. :) |
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| 09:56.57 | gena2x | PaulFertser: many development organisations in russia look like military bunkers with sergeants and comrads and so :( |
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| 09:57.44 | gena2x | PaulFertser: with exception that everyone come to 11:30 :) |
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| 09:59.08 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i had one manager who gone to Finland and told 'you know, here is different style of management'. that were very funny :) |
| 09:59.13 | PaulFertser | gena2x: at work we collaborate with a research institute that developes stuff for the military. Oh man, the code those guys in the research institute write is horrible. |
| 10:00.41 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i worked for military for some years too, you may not tell me :) |
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| 10:01.29 | PaulFertser | gena2x: they say that they do not work at all for long time (because nobody know what to do) then suddenly upper management passes them some loosy requirements and a dead-line that appears to be yesterday. They start "doing" things in a weird way because of that and also because they lack in-depth *nix knoledge. The result is miserable. |
| 10:01.52 | Gabrys | their code is secure, because no-one would understand it, so it's hard to steal ;-) |
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| 10:01.59 | gena2x | ok, all problems seem solve, I'm gone to ski while it's daylight :) |
| 10:02.05 | PaulFertser | Nice plan |
| 10:02.20 | PaulFertser | gena2x: have a nice ski-walk :) |
| 10:02.35 | gena2x | -16 here, i hope all be ok thanks :) |
| 10:02.54 | naught101_ | ok, now I have usb0 up one host and FR, on 192.168.0.20(2|0), but I can't ping from either one to the other |
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| 10:03.41 | Gabrys | naught101_: sometimes you need to re-plug the cord again |
| 10:03.57 | naught101_ | Gabrys: I tried that, will again... |
| 10:04.22 | naught101_ | nope. still host unreachable |
| 10:04.38 | Gabrys | you may also have some other network working on 192.168.0.* |
| 10:04.46 | Gabrys | basically display the routing table (route -n) |
| 10:04.47 | PaulFertser | naught101_: default config supposes host is 192.168.0.200 and fr is 192.168.0.202 |
| 10:05.08 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: that's what I've got |
| 10:05.23 | naught101_ | Gabrys: nope, house Wifi is 10.1.1.1 |
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| 10:07.17 | naught101_ | maybe I should try rebooting both. back in a bit |
| 10:08.12 | PaulFertser | Oh man |
| 10:08.23 | PaulFertser | Rebooting is rarely a right solution |
| 10:08.26 | tim_abell | PaulFertser: that video was a damn good giggle |
| 10:08.57 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i'm glad you enjoyed it :) |
| 10:09.03 | gena2x | naught101_: don't listen him or you'll end up with knowledge of full arm ABI :) |
| 10:09.23 | PaulFertser | and a long beard |
| 10:09.51 | naught101_ | I haven't left yet, if you've got a better idea PaulFertser |
| 10:10.17 | PaulFertser | naught101_: well, are you sure that's not iptables interfering? |
| 10:10.58 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: yep, flushed everything, everything is set to accept |
| 10:11.11 | tim_abell | woo, i can use glade on shr |
| 10:11.17 | tim_abell | that's a relief |
| 10:11.21 | PaulFertser | naught101_: ok, check routing on FR, sometimes it has default route set to ppp0 or eth0 or something. |
| 10:12.15 | naught101_ | nope, it's usb0 |
| 10:13.16 | naught101_ | FR>host doesn't say host unreachable, it just drops all packets |
| 10:13.34 | naught101_ | ping, that is |
| 10:14.23 | PaulFertser | naught101_: it'd be probably interesting to see tcpdump output |
| 10:14.29 | PaulFertser | naught101_: on both sides |
| 10:14.51 | naught101_ | you want me to hand type it from the FR? :D |
| 10:16.33 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: well, if I run tcpdump -i usb0 and ping the FR concurrently, I get nothing on the host |
| 10:17.12 | naught101_ | and apparently there IS no tcpdump on SHR by default |
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| 10:18.46 | PaulFertser | naught101_: oh |
| 10:19.00 | PaulFertser | naught101_: do you have FR listed in arp table on your host? |
| 10:19.20 | naught101_ | arp? |
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| 10:21.04 | PaulFertser | naught101_: yep, the table used to tranlate between IP and MAC addresses. |
| 10:21.30 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: ? (192.168.0.202) at <incomplete> on usb0 |
| 10:21.45 | naught101_ | from arp -a -i usb0 |
| 10:21.56 | PaulFertser | naught101_: ok, so either the packet doesn't reach FR or FR doesn't respond... |
| 10:22.19 | PaulFertser | naught101_: i'm out of ideas for now... |
| 10:22.31 | PaulFertser | naught101_: gotta have some breakfast first probably :) |
| 10:23.16 | naught101_ | ok, reboot it is then :) back in a bit |
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| 10:31.45 | naught101 | does the conenction require g_ether? |
| 10:32.01 | naught101 | or is usbnet or cdc_ether ok? |
| 10:32.46 | PaulFertser | naught101: on FR it is g_ether |
| 10:32.51 | PaulFertser | naught101: on host it is cdc_ether |
| 10:33.39 | PaulFertser | naught101: and btw with any reasonably recent distribution you'll usually have ethX appear on host because the permanent MAC address for FR's usb interface should be read from factory partition. |
| 10:33.48 | naught101 | PaulFertser: ok, well both of those are loaded, but now the host doesn't seem to be bringing up usb0 |
| 10:34.03 | naught101 | AHH!!! |
| 10:34.10 | naught101 | it's now eth2!!! |
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| 10:34.20 | naught101 | that might be it >:) |
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| 10:47.13 | naught101_ | bah.. now networking is working, even with networkmanager running, but iptables forwarding isn't... |
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| 10:51.50 | Gabrys | hi |
| 10:51.59 | Gabrys | I got into problems with SHR unstable |
| 10:52.10 | Gabrys | I mean SHR testing |
| 10:52.20 | Gabrys | the currently developed one |
| 10:52.51 | Gabrys | after an upgrade, it stopped booting, so I chrooted into it from hackable1 and did opkg upgrade |
| 10:53.07 | Gabrys | it boots fine, but it seems FSO deamon does not work correctly |
| 10:53.30 | Gabrys | I have no GSM network and Connectivity settings says "Couldn't connect to FSO" |
| 10:54.28 | Gabrys | I tried reinstalling every package with fso in name (opkg list-installed | grep fso | awk '{print $1}' > to-reinstall ; opkg install -force-reinstall `cat to-reinstall`), but it partially fails this way: |
| 10:54.33 | Gabrys | http://pastebin.com/m23ae3223 |
| 10:54.41 | Gabrys | do you have any hint for me? |
| 10:55.02 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: yep, there's a problem currently |
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| 10:55.21 | Gabrys | how do I fix/workaround it? |
| 10:55.52 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: make sure fsogsmd is not running |
| 10:56.02 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: restart |
| 10:56.10 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: read the frameworkd log. |
| 10:56.43 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: restart phone or some service? |
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| 10:58.00 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i'd kill frameworkd and everything related and restarted frameworkd |
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| 11:01.43 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: sadly I don't see anything fatal in log :( |
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| 11:02.14 | Gabrys | opimd error reading contacts.csv and warning about writing to /proc/... gps-enable file |
| 11:02.28 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: then you need to restart ophonekitd too |
| 11:02.33 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: to have it request gsm resource. |
| 11:02.45 | Gabrys | I see one more thing! |
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| 11:02.55 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: 14:01 < mrmoku> daniele_athome: opkg -force-depends remove fsogsmd helps |
| 11:03.08 | Gabrys | WARNING Can't register resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Enabling device |
| 11:03.32 | Gabrys | WARNING SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook from ogsmd : org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'unknown' |
| 11:03.51 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: ousaged is not present? weird |
| 11:04.06 | Gabrys | yes, fsousaged in not "installable" |
| 11:04.14 | Gabrys | http://pastebin.com/m23ae3223 |
| 11:05.37 | Gabrys | but opkg install fsousaged (without -force-reinstall) says it's up to date, strange |
| 11:06.57 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: join #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 11:23.57 | Guest85909 | JaMa: sorry for replying initially directly to you, I resent my reply to the list... |
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| 11:32.30 | JaMa | Guest85909: no problem.. I replied to list too |
| 11:35.34 | Guest85909 | JaMa: I saw your post. thanx |
| 11:39.46 | naught101_ | is it possible to add/remove icons from the home screen in SHR? |
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| 11:40.58 | tim_abell | naught101_: look in /usr/share/applications ? |
| 11:41.09 | tim_abell | add/remove .desktop files |
| 11:41.25 | naught101_ | tim_abell: thanks |
| 11:41.29 | tim_abell | np |
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| 11:46.55 | naught101_ | is the only way to sort the icons in alphabetical order? |
| 11:48.08 | naught101_ | and is it possible to create a folder (or something) with multiple icons in it, to take more icons off the main screen? |
| 11:52.13 | PaulFertser | naught101_: yep, illume main screen sucks |
| 11:52.22 | PaulFertser | naught101_: you might like the "launcher" by c_c. |
| 11:53.06 | PaulFertser | naught101_: but i've no idea where his repo is. |
| 11:53.25 | JaMa | needs only "medium" sized icons and running by double click |
| 11:53.39 | JaMa | naught101_, PaulFertser: shr-launcher in shr feeds |
| 11:54.02 | PaulFertser | JaMa: ah, so he changed his mind and finally used a sane name and a repo? |
| 11:54.27 | JaMa | PaulFertser: its there for long time.. |
| 11:55.20 | JaMa | PaulFertser: it was updated in recipe first, but then c_c cleaned all his repositories.. so I could remove all recipe hacks.. |
| 11:55.20 | naught101_ | will try when I get iptables working, thanks JaMa |
| 11:55.41 | naught101_ | simple 1 before the dialer works nicely |
| 11:57.09 | naught101_ | Chain POSTROUTING -> 0 0 MASQUERADE all -- * wlan0 192.168.0.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:57.11 | naught101_ | looks right, yes? |
| 11:57.31 | PaulFertser | JaMa: c_c looked like a very weird guy. Never talking about his repo on community ML, just attaching some random binaries... |
| 11:57.56 | PaulFertser | naught101_: ip_forward enabled? |
| 11:59.49 | naught101_ | no, thank you Paul :) |
| 12:02.40 | naught101_ | I have to say, SHR is pretty impressive |
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| 12:04.07 | PaulFertser | naught101_: it's nice you get it working :) |
| 12:06.19 | JaMa | PaulFertser: yes.. but now its in really good shape in OE repo and IIRC he also said that it looks like he will never need to push binaries to list again |
| 12:07.29 | JaMa | PaulFertser: see changes in http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/recipes/shr/shr-launcher_svn.bb |
| 12:12.11 | PaulFertser | JaMa: good to hear |
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| 12:17.36 | naught101_ | there's two sets of power settings - I guess one for SHR and one for Illume. Does one override the other? |
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| 12:45.45 | naught101_ | does shr use gtk? |
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| 12:54.49 | naught101_ | I mean, Illume |
| 12:56.51 | Kero | oh dear, bitbake is in some infinite loop. after only a few manual bitbake commands (and no config file hacking, afaict) |
| 12:57.29 | Kero | well, it never stays "preparing runqueue" for >5 minutes. Amazingly, it just continued... |
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| 13:00.58 | hipitihop | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.33 | Guest85909 | what is the opkg command to downgrade busybox to 1.13.2-r23.1.4 |
| 13:04.52 | Gabrys | how does fso-abyss work anyway? |
| 13:05.31 | naught101_ | Guest85909: --force-downgrade |
| 13:05.38 | Gabrys | if I launch it manually from command line it just prints to "INFO" messages |
| 13:05.47 | Gabrys | s/to/two/ |
| 13:06.06 | Gabrys | and then does nothing till I Ctrl-C it |
| 13:06.24 | Gabrys | and then it says Oops: Session has to be initialized first. |
| 13:06.54 | Guest85909 | naught101_: I tried this command: opkg --force-downgrade upgrade busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:07.22 | Guest85909 | with this result: opkg: busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 13:08.37 | Guest85909 | * Failed to extract control file from busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:09.02 | Guest85909 | if I do just plain: opkg --force-downgrade upgrade busybox |
| 13:09.14 | Guest85909 | the command finishes without errors |
| 13:09.47 | Guest85909 | but opkg info busybox still shows the newer version (1.15.3-r23.0.4) |
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| 13:20.07 | naught101_ | Guest85909: try using the full path? |
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| 13:25.12 | Guest85909 | naught101_: I don't get the error then anymore, but opkg info still reports the 1.15 version |
| 13:25.45 | Guest85909 | naught101_: maybe I should just remove and install again? |
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| 13:45.00 | naught101_ | maybe upgrade is the wrong command/ |
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| 14:01.15 | PaulFertser | I'm so fucking tired by stupid configuration of community ML |
| 14:02.39 | lindi- | PaulFertser: the reply issue? |
| 14:09.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: including that, yes. The last time i replied (and i use gmane's nntp to read the mails) and the reply went through gmane-antispamaddress community-ZwoEplunGu2lQHEW8SrWTx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org . Guess what, it's moderated due to "Message has implicit destination". Meh, everything sucks |
| 14:09.46 | PaulFertser | And since shr-user was CC'd it's moderated too because i'm not subscribed. |
| 14:10.41 | PaulFertser | I'm so fucking sure whitelisting all "SPF Pass" messages won't add much spam to the list. Nobody proved otherwise. And yet that stupid rule still holds. Come on, even LKML is not subscribers-only! |
| 14:12.26 | PaulFertser | Life's enough shit in it already and yet i'm getting that additional amount by being part of the community i want to belong too. :-/ |
| 14:12.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: can't you subscribe and disable delivery? |
| 14:12.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm subscribed to the community |
| 14:13.10 | PaulFertser | And yes, disabled delivery, just as propose |
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| 14:22.55 | tim_abell | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/mundane-name lol. yes i'm failing to get on with plan A, and reading back issues of eler instead |
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| 14:34.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: still you dunno if LKML maybe is moderated for alien sender address as well |
| 14:34.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: i'm not sending from an alien address |
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| 15:21.59 | tim_abell | well that was random. searched for eric ide (python integrated development environment) and ended up here , http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Ide/1630837852 |
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| 15:25.56 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: "Sorry, we're not cool enough to support your browser. " |
| 15:26.00 | PaulFertser | bastards |
| 15:26.17 | tim_abell | lol, what was that on? |
| 15:26.23 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: emacs-w3m |
| 15:26.33 | tim_abell | muppets |
| 15:26.38 | tim_abell | i hate browser detection |
| 15:26.59 | tim_abell | what happened to sticking to standards and graceful degradation? |
| 15:27.20 | tim_abell | must be a vi house |
| 15:27.23 | PaulFertser | What happened to the internet in general |
| 15:27.36 | tim_abell | at least we still have irc, yay |
| 15:28.25 | tim_abell | this by the way is an excellent way of getting non techies onto an irc channel: http://www.pjirc.com/main.php |
| 15:29.52 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: hm, isn't apt-get install irssi or xchat easier? |
| 15:30.05 | tim_abell | my non-techies run windows |
| 15:30.12 | tim_abell | and don't even cope with that |
| 15:30.23 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: for that java app to work they should have a compatible JRE installed etc. And also the license of the app is unclear. |
| 15:30.46 | tim_abell | sure, but it so happens my non-techies need java anyway |
| 15:30.55 | tim_abell | and i'm not worried about freedom with this one |
| 15:30.59 | tim_abell | just getting them talking |
| 15:33.15 | tim_abell | horses for courses ;) |
| 15:33.48 | tim_abell | is currently trying to get from 0 to glade app in under 10 mins |
| 15:34.12 | tim_abell | opening second window currently challenging me |
| 15:34.18 | tim_abell | i love this stuff |
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| 17:04.31 | groszek | anyone knows if android market is working on freerunner's android on current version? |
| 17:04.58 | groszek | at least for those free apps |
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| 18:16.05 | peter_b | hi |
| 18:16.21 | peter_b | is anyone using googe maps data with tangogps? |
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| 18:42.24 | esa-petri | do someboby know howto reset mailing list pasword since I cannot acces admistration part of it |
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| 19:10.00 | sybren | hey folks. I have some trouble with SHR unstable after an update. fsousaged won't run properly, and reinstalling doesn't work either: http://shr.pastebin.com/d53d2dd0 |
| 19:10.17 | sybren | this is just after a "opkg update" that successfully downloaded the package list |
| 19:12.14 | sybren | running fsousaged gives me http://shr.pastebin.com/d3722bd7e |
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| 19:37.08 | sanvy | hi all |
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| 19:39.48 | sybren | hi sanvy |
| 19:40.00 | sanvy | hi sybren |
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| 19:45.45 | sanvy | i go |
| 19:45.46 | sanvy | bye |
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| 20:51.02 | Wonka | updating openembedded |
| 20:51.02 | Wonka | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 20:51.04 | Wonka | *grr* |
| 20:51.11 | Wonka | all evening long |
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| 20:51.38 | Wonka | every time I do "make update" in the SHR directory, one of them command fails |
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| 21:58.05 | sybren | Wonka: I've never been able to update :( |
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| 22:17.37 | Kero | gypsy dbus documentation seems lacking... |
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| 22:21.33 | naught101_ | is there any way to get the shr-settings power options to stay permanently/ |
| 22:21.34 | naught101_ | ? |
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| 22:27.01 | naught101_ | and is there supposed to be a fast-charging mode (1000mA)? |
| 22:27.17 | Undrwater | naught101_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Settings:_Power |
| 22:27.32 | Undrwater | scroll down a bit and look at the Timeouts section |
| 22:27.50 | Undrwater | the UI thing does't work yet i think |
| 22:28.13 | naught101_ | thanks Undrwater |
| 22:28.16 | PaulFertser | naught101_: with OM wallcharger 1000mA mode is turned on automatically |
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| 22:35.33 | H_u_m | some note to mencoder/mplayer, video with 640x240 works, imho acceptable quality http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#video_playing.2Fencoding |
| 22:37.01 | max_posedon | H_u_m, with which exactly -vo ? |
| 22:37.53 | H_u_m | vo=xover:glamo,x11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#mplayer.conf |
| 22:39.26 | H_u_m | vo=glamo seems to be faster, but sometimes i can see the background application/window manager |
| 22:39.58 | max_posedon | glamo doesn't work, or work temporary |
| 22:40.11 | max_posedon | all others usually unusable |
| 22:40.19 | max_posedon | (very slow) |
| 22:41.12 | JaMa | just merged latest mplayer code to glamo repository.. |
| 22:41.23 | JaMa | someone wants to try .opk for me? |
| 22:41.35 | H_u_m | ? I am new to SHR and FR, i use SHR and it worked for several hours, then reboot needed |
| 22:41.56 | JaMa | I'm going to bed in few mins.. so I won't test it today or tomorrow :/ |
| 22:42.17 | H_u_m | JaMa: is it SHR unstable? |
| 22:42.38 | JaMa | H_u_m: no.. I have to test it before pushing and building on shr buildhost |
| 22:42.50 | JaMa | H_u_m: but if you ask if it will be for SHR-U then yes |
| 22:43.01 | H_u_m | ah, sry i am to noob for this |
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| 22:43.58 | H_u_m | maybe next days i use a 2. SD Card |
| 22:44.03 | JaMa | H_u_m: I can give you 2 links for mplayer and ffmpeg .opk if you can test if video works better for you.. |
| 22:44.12 | H_u_m | ok |
| 22:45.03 | JaMa | H_u_m: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/ffmpeg_0.5.0+r0+svnr21107-r0.4_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:45.16 | JaMa | H_u_m: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2+gitr3+18ae04330acaa9212b422e71eee239eacd475805-r15.4_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:47.13 | Gabrys | JaMa: what's that? :> some hardware-related tweaks for video decoding or what? |
| 22:48.55 | JaMa | Gabrys: yes.. Balrog's patches for using hw glamo for decoding video |
| 22:49.03 | H_u_m | Package mplayer (0.0+1.0rc2+gitr30315+5519d0dfd3f9504f24aa9fe154f831bb718cbfc3-r15.4) installed in root is up to date. |
| 22:49.37 | Gabrys | JaMa: is this only for some certain video codecs? (I mean do you need to first encode videos to benefit from this packages?) |
| 22:49.40 | H_u_m | am i already using the newest version? Do I have to enforce |
| 22:50.01 | JaMa | H_u_m: that's because opkg thinks that its newer version.. but its not |
| 22:51.49 | Undrwater | there's no way to force an install either, is there? |
| 22:52.10 | H_u_m | --force-reinstall |
| 22:52.19 | Undrwater | maybe just unpack the binary...put it someplace new...that way you can test side by side |
| 22:52.42 | JaMa | -force-downgrade doesn't work? |
| 22:52.54 | Undrwater | had a similar problem with navit |
| 22:53.08 | Undrwater | something to do with versioning |
| 22:53.30 | JaMa | Undrwater: but navit is not from git.. there is versioning quite simple.. |
| 22:53.48 | JaMa | Undrwater: if you're not using navit from navit-feeds |
| 22:54.10 | H_u_m | JaMa: Software: MEncoder SVN-r29237-4.4.1 playing Mpeg4 still broken |
| 22:54.30 | JaMa | H_u_m: define broken please :) |
| 22:54.30 | Undrwater | JaMa: right....but navit in feeds was not up-to-date at the time...so i tried install from git...which threw same error H_u_m is getting |
| 22:55.12 | JaMa | Undrwater: I'm updating navit quite offen.. so its better to ping me if you see something we have to use in svn changelog.. |
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| 22:55.39 | Undrwater | JaMa: will do that in future |
| 22:55.43 | Undrwater | tnx |
| 22:55.56 | JaMa | Undrwater: because I usually check changelog and if there is lots of changes ie to win32 plugins etc.. I ignore that.. |
| 22:56.28 | H_u_m | first scene: showing heaven, scrolling down, the new lines at bottom don't get drawn the right way, some get repeated |
| 22:57.19 | JaMa | H_u_m: if its at least partially working as older version I'll update it in SHR-U and fix possible bugs later.. |
| 22:57.40 | H_u_m | playing .avi (flv1) as old version |
| 22:58.07 | H_u_m | the old version I mentioned above? |
| 22:58.55 | JaMa | H_u_m: yes |
| 22:58.57 | JaMa | H_u_m: thanks |
| 23:00.56 | H_u_m | k, np, btw mpeg4 640x480 is broken, mpeg4 640x240 works |
| 23:03.24 | JaMa | huh interesting.. 640x240 works without any problem with -vo glamo? |
| 23:03.41 | JaMa | but with x480 it creates artifacts? |
| 23:03.52 | JaMa | same codec etc? |
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| 23:05.01 | H_u_m | same codec using different resolutions and nearly same options |
| 23:06.51 | JaMa | H_u_m: can you post mplayer output for both somewhere with those 2 vids (if they're small and shareable)? |
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| 23:07.21 | JaMa | H_u_m: could be good testcase for someone to fix it.. |
| 23:07.40 | H_u_m | is .torrent? |
| 23:07.46 | H_u_m | is .torrent ok? |
| 23:08.21 | JaMa | can you strip just first minute or so from it? |
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| 23:08.50 | H_u_m | k, have to cook coffee and read man page first |
| 23:09.38 | JaMa | H_u_m: I don't know when or if ever I'll have time to check it properly.. but if you send it to list.. maybe someone will look into it sooner.. so make it as simple as possible to test it |
| 23:11.20 | H_u_m | which ml? |
| 23:12.40 | JaMa | shr-devel could be good one |
| 23:13.22 | H_u_m | k |
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| 23:29.50 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: I have it plugged into the wall charger, but it only seems to be getting 500mA (-397mA reported) |
| 23:34.06 | PaulFertser | naught101_: well, it means the battery can't take any more now |
| 23:38.09 | H_u_m | JaMa: http://www.stud.fh-dortmund.de/~jkorte/bbb-mpeg4-250k-640x480-vmax2000k-buf1835-2pass-30seconds-artefacts.avi |
| 23:39.42 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: ok, I see it's just gone up to -800... |
| 23:44.57 | naught101_ | now... where can I change the microphone volume? it seems to be up full when on a call, but people can't hear me.. |
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| 23:50.02 | naught101_ | actaully, just figured that it was too loud, and echoing. |
| 23:51.43 | naught101_ | is there a way to stop the microphone from playing back through the speaker? |
| 23:52.31 | naught101_ | and is there a way to automatically unlock on an incoming call? |
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