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| 03:12.12 | supermagnum | http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=34596 |
| 03:14.43 | supermagnum | any comments on that ? |
| 03:14.55 | KenYoung | supermagnum, That would be cool. |
| 03:15.13 | KenYoung | I'm afraid I don't know how to code it. |
| 03:15.25 | supermagnum | and Megasquirt is community driven |
| 03:15.54 | ndnihil | thumbs up for going the megasquirt route |
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| 03:16.32 | ndnihil | I only wish they could speak VAG CAN bus (for instrument cluster) and monitored the knock sensors |
| 03:17.54 | supermagnum | it can monitor the kcnock sensor just fine |
| 03:18.10 | supermagnum | the VAG bus is a different problem |
| 03:18.15 | ndnihil | hrm, last I checked it didn't, at least not the VAG specific knock sensors |
| 03:18.47 | ndnihil | in any case, I'll probably end up getting a copy of maestro7 from eurodyne |
| 03:18.54 | ndnihil | keep the bosch me7 |
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| 03:19.15 | ndnihil | it's actually quite a nice little computer |
| 03:20.06 | ndnihil | brb |
| 03:23.17 | supermagnum | heard about http://www.viatrack.ca/ ? the sell somethin called KnocksenseMS for Megasquirt and other EMS. |
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| 03:29.35 | Sjano | Hello |
| 03:29.52 | ndnihil | hrm, hadn't seen that |
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| 03:31.38 | supermagnum | i am not sure, but i think that megatunix ( thats the linux version of the tuning software for megasquirt ) will run on a openmoko |
| 03:33.20 | supermagnum | ndnihil you can always pop by at ##megasquirt and ask :) |
| 03:33.37 | ndnihil | well, it'll be a while before I put MS on something |
| 03:33.59 | ndnihil | both my regular cars are post 1996, meaning I have to pass OBDII emissions |
| 03:34.15 | supermagnum | ah :( |
| 03:34.30 | ndnihil | though I did start work on a AVR based ECU for my lawnmower :) |
| 03:35.02 | supermagnum | we do not have that problem here in norway, cars just ahve to pass the normal sniffer test |
| 03:35.31 | ndnihil | yeah, but you have to pay out the ass for performance mods |
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| 03:35.42 | ndnihil | isn't tax based on displacement over there? |
| 03:35.51 | ndnihil | or is it rated power output |
| 03:35.52 | supermagnum | yes :( |
| 03:36.08 | supermagnum | it is on displacement and power. .. |
| 03:36.20 | ndnihil | I've got some friends in .no |
| 03:36.34 | ndnihil | they hate the power tax |
| 03:36.54 | supermagnum | it is quite stupid that tax.. |
| 03:39.16 | ndnihil | what kind of car are you going to put the MS ON? |
| 03:39.18 | ndnihil | er |
| 03:39.21 | ndnihil | s/ON/on/g |
| 03:39.30 | supermagnum | a Audi 80 |
| 03:39.34 | ndnihil | nice! |
| 03:39.45 | ndnihil | has a B6 platform a4 |
| 03:39.59 | ndnihil | that inline 5cyl is a monster |
| 03:40.16 | ndnihil | wish I could swap that or a vr6 into mine |
| 03:40.23 | supermagnum | it is a 2.6 liters v6 1993 mod |
| 03:40.50 | ndnihil | why didn't you just build the I5? I've seen those things churn out 1000+whp |
| 03:40.55 | ndnihil | awhp at that |
| 03:41.30 | supermagnum | and a bitrubo 2.7 liters later.. that will be fitted with a supercharger kit |
| 03:42.30 | ndnihil | just out of curiosity, how did you end up in #openmoko for a megasquirt issue? |
| 03:42.53 | supermagnum | the only problem is getting hold of a 35 pin BOSH plug, so i can use the standard sensors and the standard connector. |
| 03:42.53 | supermagnum | this is because if something goes wrong with the MS2 box, it is possible to just plug it out and replace it with the standard one. |
| 03:43.50 | supermagnum | ndnihil: it should be nice if openmoko can be interfaced with megasquirt, thats why |
| 03:43.51 | ndnihil | pick up a spare/junk ECU from the scrap yard, yank the connector off, and build a ms->me(5?) adapter |
| 03:44.40 | supermagnum | ndnihil: jes, i will do that.. but second hand ECU's costs around 1000 NOK here |
| 03:44.55 | ndnihil | what's that in USD or GBP? |
| 03:45.02 | supermagnum | it is a bit stupid to ruin a working ecu |
| 03:45.06 | ndnihil | or AUD or euro for that matter |
| 03:45.29 | ndnihil | here people just throw away blown ECUs |
| 03:45.45 | ndnihil | might ask around at shops to see if they have any broken ones laying around for cheap |
| 03:45.53 | supermagnum | 1,000.00 NOK |
| 03:45.53 | supermagnum | |
| 03:45.53 | supermagnum | = |
| 03:45.53 | supermagnum | |
| 03:45.53 | supermagnum | 175.204 USD |
| 03:45.59 | supermagnum | ooops.. :( |
| 03:46.16 | ndnihil | that's not too bad for an older ECU |
| 03:46.22 | ndnihil | if it's in good working order |
| 03:47.15 | supermagnum | ndnihil: i will try that too, i am corrintly avaiting some parts needed to mod the MS-2 so it can run 3 coilpacks |
| 03:50.11 | supermagnum | 3 BIP373 IGTB's |
| 03:51.13 | ndnihil | ibgt? |
| 03:52.42 | supermagnum | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulated-gate_bipolar_transistor |
| 03:52.51 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 03:52.58 | ndnihil | I was just wondering what a IGTB was :) |
| 03:53.19 | ndnihil | I know IGBT :) |
| 03:53.25 | ndnihil | oops, I typed it wrong too |
| 03:53.28 | ndnihil | we're even :) |
| 03:55.08 | supermagnum | it is easy to misstype |
| 03:55.20 | supermagnum | Bosch BIP373s have both output current limiting and thermal shutdown built in. The data sheet puts the typical current limiting at 11.5 amps with a maximum of 16 amps. The thermal shutdown range is between 185 and 210 degrees C with a typical shutdown at 195C. Basically that means the BIP373 will provide a hotter spark that a VB921, and if you configure it wrong and it gets hot, it shuts itself down instead of turning on the |
| 03:55.20 | supermagnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.43 | ndnihil | sounds like a good one |
| 03:58.47 | supermagnum | -30 degrees outside now.. |
| 03:58.50 | ndnihil | might have to grab a few of those |
| 03:59.07 | ndnihil | -15C or so here |
| 03:59.21 | supermagnum | they are a bit overkill for running coils |
| 04:02.35 | ndnihil | I'd probably be looking for a higher current version |
| 04:02.48 | ndnihil | 10-20A is FET territory |
| 04:03.07 | ndnihil | want to make some ESCs in the 80A to 120A range |
| 04:03.46 | supermagnum | you can find some documentation on that BIP 373 here : |
| 04:03.46 | supermagnum | http://www.semiconductors.bosch.de/en/30/engine/ignition.asp |
| 04:05.05 | supermagnum | what is a ESC ? |
| 04:05.13 | ndnihil | electronic speed controller |
| 04:05.19 | supermagnum | aha :) |
| 04:06.12 | supermagnum | for a RC car ? |
| 04:06.31 | ndnihil | for electric motorcycle :) |
| 04:06.39 | supermagnum | cool |
| 04:07.15 | supermagnum | i did see a electric dragracing bike, the battery's caused the engine to explode.. |
| 04:07.21 | ndnihil | going to start with a small one using electric wheelchair motors |
| 04:10.42 | supermagnum | you can possibly get some FET's from a electric truck |
| 04:10.56 | ndnihil | I've got tons of RC stuff |
| 04:11.29 | supermagnum | i moutly got guns.. 4 of them :P |
| 04:11.40 | ndnihil | have a few of those myself |
| 04:11.50 | ndnihil | I thought most guns were illegal in .no? |
| 04:11.56 | supermagnum | .22 LR, 357 supermag , 9mm , 45colt |
| 04:12.13 | supermagnum | not if you are a member of a pistol club |
| 04:12.21 | ndnihil | ah |
| 04:12.43 | ndnihil | probably going to get my CCW this month if I can find the time |
| 04:12.50 | ndnihil | (concealed carry permit) |
| 04:13.18 | supermagnum | you have to been a active member of a pistol club in 6 monts, and a clean criminal record.. an minimum 20 years of age |
| 04:13.30 | ndnihil | reasonable requirements |
| 04:13.43 | supermagnum | there are NO ccw's here.. only sporting use |
| 04:15.16 | supermagnum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-9-QCY-ipU |
| 04:16.11 | ndnihil | hrm, "error occurred, please try again later" |
| 04:16.39 | ndnihil | wonder if it has anything to do with my flash modification |
| 04:17.06 | ndnihil | hulu recently required flash10.0.22 or higher, and it's only available compiled against glibc2.3 |
| 04:17.17 | supermagnum | i have a MK2 ruger in stainless steel, supressed of course, a dan wesson mod 40 in 357 supermag, a ruger new waquero in stainless, a CZ 75 SP-01 shadow. |
| 04:17.33 | ndnihil | so I took a dev version of pre-release 10.0.0 and hex edited the version strings |
| 04:17.38 | ndnihil | works with hulu though |
| 04:17.53 | supermagnum | aha |
| 04:18.11 | supermagnum | i am using kubntu, and firefox |
| 04:18.17 | supermagnum | kubuntu* |
| 04:18.30 | ndnihil | heh, this machine was installed in 2004 |
| 04:18.58 | ndnihil | all of youtube is now broken for me |
| 04:18.59 | ndnihil | woohoo |
| 04:20.21 | ndnihil | I'll just set up a separate user for running a browser for hulu |
| 04:20.28 | ndnihil | and stick flash 9 back on this one |
| 04:20.46 | ndnihil | anything I can do to avoid a fresh install :) |
| 04:20.49 | supermagnum | ok |
| 04:21.00 | ndnihil | though I do have two 1.5T drives sitting here waiting for that very moment |
| 04:21.07 | supermagnum | i do have pictures :P http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SrtrI63UmZI/AAAAAAAAALI/pabLxT47zjI/s320/rugermk2kikkert.jpg |
| 04:21.26 | supermagnum | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SrejJZem-2I/AAAAAAAAAKw/a1WfHAUdp0E/s1600-h/dan-wesson.JPG |
| 04:21.34 | ndnihil | I do have youtube messed with a bit |
| 04:21.55 | ndnihil | I force use of the an old embedded player so I can avoid the ads |
| 04:22.07 | ndnihil | is that a silencer? |
| 04:22.10 | supermagnum | ah :) |
| 04:22.13 | supermagnum | yup |
| 04:22.18 | ndnihil | nice |
| 04:22.18 | CVirus | amazing |
| 04:22.25 | ndnihil | need a separate permit for those here |
| 04:22.29 | supermagnum | nowegian made, A-tech |
| 04:22.47 | supermagnum | anyone can get a silencer ehre, no permits at all |
| 04:23.20 | supermagnum | my 22LR sounds like a air rifle when supressed |
| 04:23.27 | ndnihil | here you need the FFL, and it covers automatics and silenced |
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| 04:24.34 | supermagnum | cal 50 guns are illegal here in norway |
| 04:24.39 | ndnihil | CVirus: what's amazing? |
| 04:24.51 | supermagnum | the biggest it is possible to get is 460 |
| 04:24.55 | CVirus | ndnihil: the gun |
| 04:25.03 | ndnihil | supermagnum: the desert eagle .50 packs a hell of a punch |
| 04:26.02 | supermagnum | the wrist buster :P |
| 04:26.04 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 04:26.37 | ndnihil | I'm a fairly large guy (6'2" 210lbs) and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone smaller than that |
| 04:27.20 | ndnihil | it's useless in emergency situations |
| 04:27.33 | supermagnum | i am 185 tall, around 90 kg |
| 04:27.48 | ndnihil | weighs a metric ton and kicks like a mule |
| 04:28.01 | ndnihil | makes a very intimidating sound though |
| 04:28.53 | supermagnum | norwegians are mostly harmless |
| 04:29.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | like The Earth ;) |
| 04:29.25 | ndnihil | every segment of society has its bad apples |
| 04:29.58 | supermagnum | like the two utterly stupid folks down there in Congo |
| 04:30.15 | ndnihil | but I would imagine feeling a bit safer in .no, it's too damn cold to go around attacking people :) |
| 04:30.57 | supermagnum | it can get really cold here.. -40 |
| 04:31.13 | supermagnum | that's not a pleasant temperature |
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| 04:33.02 | supermagnum | we do not have a lot of gun-realted crime here in norway. the baddest shoot out was in oslo, and that robbery of the mony deposit |
| 04:33.40 | supermagnum | that in oslo was gang related, the A and B gang.. with 22's |
| 04:33.50 | ndnihil | biggest threat there is someone stealing your gloves and hat making you freeze to death |
| 04:33.52 | supermagnum | and NOKAS |
| 04:35.07 | supermagnum | you are not going to freeze to death by that.. |
| 04:35.29 | ndnihil | yeah, just enough frostbite to lose your fingers and ears |
| 04:35.37 | supermagnum | soaking wet and nude in -20, that a different story |
| 04:36.28 | supermagnum | there are folks here that go skinny dipping in -20 degrees.. brrr... |
| 04:36.43 | ndnihil | we have a club here called the polar bear club |
| 04:36.54 | ndnihil | people get together and go swimming in freezing temperatures |
| 04:37.06 | supermagnum | its just like that |
| 04:37.29 | supermagnum | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SodIey3NcbI/AAAAAAAAAKA/036K_7u72JQ/s1600/5488_106117706052_530571052_2707258_5230302_n.jpg guess what that is |
| 04:38.11 | ndnihil | not enough plumbing to be a still |
| 04:38.21 | supermagnum | pretty close |
| 04:38.25 | ndnihil | steam generator for a sauna? |
| 04:38.29 | supermagnum | beer brevery |
| 04:38.32 | ndnihil | ah |
| 04:39.20 | supermagnum | PID controlled temperature, food grade stainless steel, and a magnetic copled pump |
| 04:39.41 | supermagnum | 100 liters max capacity |
| 04:40.29 | supermagnum | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SodIfXc8ihI/AAAAAAAAAKI/JVWMyNN9unY/s1600/5488_106117716052_530571052_2707259_1532515_n.jpg |
| 04:40.48 | ndnihil | looks like nice controllers |
| 04:40.59 | supermagnum | the big unit is a speed controll, the small one is the PID |
| 04:54.23 | supermagnum | what kind of tyres do you use ? |
| 04:55.03 | ndnihil | on the audi? |
| 04:55.13 | supermagnum | on your car |
| 04:55.14 | ndnihil | I haven't found street tires I like yet |
| 04:55.24 | ndnihil | on the jeep I run BFG ATKO's |
| 04:55.33 | ndnihil | might switch that to the MT though |
| 04:55.34 | supermagnum | i use these in the winter : http://www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11890&group=1.01&name=Nokian%20Hakkapeliitta |
| 04:56.22 | ndnihil | it doesn't stay frozen over enough here to bother with studs |
| 04:57.02 | ndnihil | the roads are pretty well plowed and salted |
| 04:57.17 | ndnihil | so they'd get maybe 2-3 days usage a year |
| 04:57.27 | supermagnum | not here.. highways are often salted |
| 04:57.55 | supermagnum | they use common sand on normal roads |
| 04:59.42 | ndnihil | I'd like to try ice racing |
| 04:59.54 | supermagnum | thats fun :) |
| 05:00.16 | ndnihil | I'd have to move a bit further north though |
| 05:00.33 | supermagnum | try cannada |
| 05:12.17 | ndnihil | tried to get the local track to let us out in the snow, but they declined |
| 05:13.36 | supermagnum | why ? |
| 05:13.45 | ndnihil | for fun |
| 05:13.50 | ndnihil | slide around the track |
| 05:14.23 | ndnihil | they didn't want to do it for liability reasons |
| 05:14.50 | ndnihil | something in their insurance contract states that they will not permit racing in bad weather |
| 05:16.23 | supermagnum | ah.. "liabillity.. :/ |
| 05:17.55 | supermagnum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDDDKnNhuE |
| 05:19.17 | ndnihil | no youtube for me at the moment |
| 05:19.47 | supermagnum | a goy gets scared shitless by a LOW passing spitfire.. |
| 05:19.54 | ndnihil | ah, seen that one |
| 05:20.00 | ndnihil | "fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, etc..." |
| 05:20.01 | supermagnum | almost got a new hairdo |
| 05:20.09 | supermagnum | yep, that one.. |
| 05:21.40 | supermagnum | realy nice engine, id like to have one |
| 05:22.07 | ndnihil | merlin 12cyl if I'm not mistaken? |
| 05:22.21 | supermagnum | yep |
| 05:22.33 | supermagnum | redline at 3000 rpm |
| 05:23.46 | supermagnum | 24 lbs of boost i think |
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| 08:30.22 | hipitihop | what is the best wifi manager for me to install on my shr-t lite to get wep based wifi going ? |
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| 08:31.05 | hipitihop | naught101, I assume you know that QTMoko includes the latest and an X compatibility |
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| 08:35.43 | naught101 | hipitihop: no, I didn't. thanks.. I haven't even looked at QtMoko yet |
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| 08:57.16 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: are you sure you need wifi manager? editing wpa_supplicant.conf is not that bad too. |
| 08:59.01 | naught101 | PaulFertser: it is if you're moving around to many different networks |
| 09:00.28 | PaulFertser | naught101: well... I assume yes if you spend more than 20% of time on configuring leaving less than 80% for using :) |
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| 09:22.08 | skamster | hello all.. i liked to change my system to ubifs.. is there a tutorial? |
| 09:22.53 | skamster | i've seen the discussion in the mailinglist, but may there's a tutorial with step-by-step-instructions? |
| 09:22.59 | PaulFertser | skamster: only the one on the ML. |
| 09:23.05 | PaulFertser | skamster: what's not clear about it? |
| 09:24.30 | skamster | mh, i don't read them all very exactly :) and it looks like a the reasons to make it better working didn't stop, so i just thinked, may there is a wikipage.. ;) |
| 09:25.02 | lindi- | skamster: is there anything openmoko specific in it? |
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| 09:26.21 | skamster | mmh, to flash the nand - i don't know exactly, i didn't try it yet - i think so.. qi as example is openmokospecific for me.. (normaly i use grub ;) ) |
| 09:27.08 | skamster | and qi must be changed |
| 09:27.11 | skamster | as i know |
| 09:27.19 | skamster | and as example |
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| 09:29.47 | lindi- | skamster: but qi does not support jffs2 either |
| 09:31.14 | skamster | ok, yes, but the boot-args are current normaly qi-specific.. as i know, grub, for example, didn't use files in boot for kernel-params |
| 09:31.45 | skamster | and there's also a qi-ubi-version.. don't know why exactly.. http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 09:31.49 | skamster | (on the top) |
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| 09:33.15 | skamster | and i also don't know howto flash the nand.. but i will try in next time.. may it isn't very unstable yet? does someone know that? |
| 09:33.25 | skamster | is it useable then as daily-phone? |
| 09:34.30 | lindi- | skamster: grub reads kernel parameters fromfile |
| 09:35.40 | skamster | sorry, i meant text-files.. |
| 09:36.05 | skamster | in qi it's a textfile called "append-gta02" or so |
| 09:36.11 | Wonka | hm, maybe because "normal" qi cannot read ubifs? |
| 09:38.53 | Wonka | (I don't know if it can, but seems plausible that qi doesn't know about a thousand different FSes) |
| 09:39.11 | skamster | but then it also supports jffs2? well, i don't know these things so exactly.. may they've a partition with ext3 or so for the kernel, load this into ram and with the params could the kernel start the sys or the kernel gave the needed support to qi? |
| 09:39.26 | skamster | i don't know the boot-support really good |
| 09:39.45 | Wonka | if you boot from flash, the kernel is not read from rootfs but from kernel partition, nor? |
| 09:40.12 | Wonka | hm, but where are kernel parameters read from, then? |
| 09:40.14 | skamster | exactly because of this i want to know how stable it is if compared with jffs2 |
| 09:40.30 | skamster | boot-partition? |
| 09:40.50 | Wonka | which would that be? |
| 09:40.55 | Wonka | mtdblock6 is rootfs |
| 09:41.05 | Wonka | (hrmf, no running FR here atm) |
| 09:41.08 | skamster | this would be also possible like jffs2 (if this realy isn't readable by qi) |
| 09:41.20 | skamster | i don't know |
| 09:41.22 | skamster | :) |
| 09:41.28 | skamster | it's just a idea |
| 09:41.32 | skamster | how it may works.. |
| 09:41.57 | skamster | but may dfu-util does extract files? |
| 09:42.26 | skamster | or at least specific, such as .bin? |
| 09:42.48 | skamster | it's not so realistic, but this would be a way..? |
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| 09:43.20 | Wonka | no idea |
| 09:47.07 | skamster | me also not.. |
| 09:47.23 | PaulFertser | lindi-: qi supports jffs in the sense it passes appropriate arguments to the kernel. So you need custom qi version to use ubifs for rootfs. |
| 09:48.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ah, hardcoded command line parameters :( |
| 09:48.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it could read those from fat |
| 09:48.47 | lindi- | just like it reads MAC address |
| 09:48.48 | PaulFertser | skamster: dfu-util doesn't extract files. And probably nor u-boot can't flash ubi properly, so one should boot from SD and do it all from the userspace. |
| 09:48.55 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yep, ext2 |
| 09:49.21 | Wonka | needs to read up on qi |
| 09:49.41 | skamster | mmh, but if there would be a system which loads kernel first from a partition to take the right kernel-module for starting a system on any fs, it would be nice i think.. it use just one bootloader for every system |
| 09:49.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the idea was to make it less hassle to support. Probably it should take kernel parameters from some file on factory partition when booting from nand... |
| 09:50.01 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but it's not really less hassle :) |
| 09:50.10 | Wonka | i know one can have a "/boot" on p1 of sd card and / on another, via appended parameters |
| 09:50.19 | lindi- | Wonka: only if you have SD |
| 09:50.23 | Wonka | PaulFertser: sounds good |
| 09:50.31 | Wonka | lindi-: "on p1 of sd card", yes ;) |
| 09:50.47 | lindi- | i have multiple partitions on SD so that i can boot multiple kernels... |
| 09:50.57 | lindi- | less hassle indeed :P |
| 09:50.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it is if you have to deal with users who can't read/understand u-boot manual :( |
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| 09:52.49 | skamster | PaulFertser: is it also possible to start a ubifs-sys from sd-card? |
| 09:53.05 | skamster | to flash the sdcard on the host in a right way? |
| 09:54.31 | skamster | (of course with flashing qi for ubi into the nand, but i mean the system..) |
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| 09:55.25 | H_u_m | Hi |
| 09:55.47 | skamster | with the sense, if it goes really the wrong way, i know how i could make it back to ext3/4, but i don't know the right structure for nand, which is used by dfu-util |
| 10:01.22 | H_u_m | I played around with some Video Codecs (MPEG4) and it seems to me, that the GPU (glamo) is too weak to decode normal MPEG4 in 640*480, MSMPEG4 seems to work better |
| 10:01.45 | Wonka | oh hai... |
| 10:01.53 | H_u_m | jo |
| 10:02.14 | H_u_m | Wonka: helped me yesterday to get my FR started |
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| 10:02.34 | H_u_m | till tonight it worked, now it doesn't start anymore |
| 10:03.16 | H_u_m | MPEG4 with 640*240 seems to have better quality but sometimes the FR drops frames |
| 10:03.29 | H_u_m | better than 320*240 |
| 10:04.06 | PaulFertser | skamster: sorry, i can't understand you question at all. |
| 10:05.11 | PaulFertser | skamster: you can dfu-util any rootfs on nand any time you want. |
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| 10:08.53 | skamster | PaulFertser: is it currently possible to make a ubifs-system on the microsd-card in my moko and start it with flashing just the u-boot-partition on nand with the ubi-qi? |
| 10:09.07 | skamster | with possibility to boot |
| 10:09.59 | skamster | or is there a limitation at the moment which make it just possible to boot a ubifs just from nand? |
| 10:10.27 | PaulFertser | skamster: ubifs (as jffs2) can be used _only_ on raw MTD devices, that is NAND in our case. |
| 10:10.50 | skamster | ah, ok.. |
| 10:10.52 | skamster | :) |
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| 10:17.54 | skamster | PaulFertser: and what's your expirience with ubifs now? is it stable as jffs2? |
| 10:18.16 | skamster | (on openmoko) |
| 10:18.27 | PaulFertser | skamster: i haven't tried. But i've neither read nor heard about any instablities with it. |
| 10:19.39 | skamster | ok.. i just read things about it's unstable because of kernel 2.6.32, but i think it's also possible with 2.6.29.. |
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| 10:22.26 | PaulFertser | skamster: hm, i'm not sure. |
| 10:22.59 | hipitihop | PaulFertser,: sorry back now.... |
| 10:24.00 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: ok, not going to be moving about at all so whatever is the easiest way to config and connect to my AP with WEP |
| 10:24.50 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: i'd say it's manually configuring wpa_supplicant.conf and adding an icon that will do "fso-raw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" and another one that will "pkill -f wpa_supplicant". |
| 10:24.57 | skamster | PaulFertser: mh.. ok, then i let it be for a moment.. the kernel 2.6.32 (from mrmoku) couldn't start gsm |
| 10:26.07 | PaulFertser | skamster: the method to power the chips on/off changed. |
| 10:26.23 | PaulFertser | skamster: and tbh i'm not sure what is there in .32 |
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| 10:29.54 | H_u_m | is there any image for FR I can dd to a SD Card? |
| 10:31.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: moin |
| 10:32.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: moin |
| 10:32.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: any news? |
| 10:32.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | not much |
| 10:33.17 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, seems the standard shr-t has no wpa_supplicant/wpa_suplicant.conf |
| 10:33.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | H_u_m: yes. the console image that does the gsm fw flashing |
| 10:33.42 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: well, i mean you just copy it from example of from your laptop or create from scratch. |
| 10:33.52 | hipitihop | k, looking |
| 10:34.18 | PaulFertser | H_u_m: alternatively, you just create a single ext2 partition on the card and untar the SHR image. |
| 10:35.00 | H_u_m | k, thx to both |
| 10:35.02 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, btw, should I really be on shr-u before I settlte things into this shr-t install ? |
| 10:35.43 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: i'm not sure, probably it doesn't matter, you'll just have to save your wpa_supplicant config and icons even if you decide to reflash. |
| 10:35.55 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: so if you're ok with stability and functionality of shr-t you should stay there. |
| 10:36.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: how about booting this image then? wouldn't we need a boot partition? |
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| 10:36.35 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: Qi boots from the first partition it finds /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin on. |
| 10:36.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 10:37.13 | hipitihop | well to be honest not really happy.... seems pretty stable bt I can reguraly crash contacts, still miss calls, some outgoing call atempts just quit the dialer and sometimes incoming sms is delayed for hours |
| 10:38.14 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: i think all you need in wpa_supplicant.conf is this: http://paste.debian.net/56013/ |
| 10:38.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: And I thought uBoot is supposed to do similar. *If* it finds a ext2 with inode size of 128 |
| 10:39.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: well, it depends on u-boot env contents, so i can't predict the behaviour on a random user's device. |
| 10:39.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes :-P |
| 10:39.51 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: (not happy) i'm still using old shr versions on debian here, guess what _i_ feel. |
| 10:40.04 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: so to say, i've no idea about usability level of current shr-u. |
| 10:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | srh-t is meant for productive aiui |
| 10:42.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | see chan ropic |
| 10:42.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | topic |
| 10:50.07 | hipitihop | PaulFertser, thanks for link, .conf now created... next is to work out how to put new icons on desktop |
| 11:03.27 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: btw, any chance to get news about eMMC issues? |
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| 14:05.16 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, I just don't know for now |
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| 14:25.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC issues? |
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| 14:35.06 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: just please try to not forget you can help those poor fellows probably. |
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| 14:36.12 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: some guys with SmartQ5/7 were unfortunate enough to get their internal flash inoperable after accidentally draining the battery. There's currently no known way to make it behave again. |
| 14:36.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 14:46.31 | gena2x | PaulFertser: frightening note |
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| 16:00.57 | xkr47 | http://www.gpf-comics.com/archive.php?d=20100108 :) |
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| 16:25.46 | panicking | Hi PaulFertser |
| 16:25.50 | panicking | can I ask somenthing? |
| 16:28.45 | panicking | in the mach-gta02.c |
| 16:28.56 | panicking | there is the definition of wm8753 |
| 16:29.00 | panicking | as a i2c device |
| 16:29.09 | panicking | but this configuration is only for the gta01 |
| 16:29.17 | panicking | it's necessary |
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| 16:37.45 | panicking | pcf50633 can work at 400khz |
| 16:37.47 | panicking | i2c bus |
| 16:38.06 | panicking | so the voltage scaling time increase and can reduce latency |
| 16:50.00 | panicking | Ok it's for gta02 |
| 16:50.01 | panicking | too |
| 16:50.10 | panicking | I need to check if it can accept frequency |
| 16:50.14 | panicking | above 100khz |
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| 17:51.29 | PaulFertser | panicking: sorry, i'm not at home atm, can't tell anything sane enough :) |
| 17:51.36 | PaulFertser | panicking: but i'm glad to greet you :) |
| 17:52.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: well, that's unfortunately how it goes. They can use external SD cards to boot from though. |
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| 17:56.42 | gena2x | PaulFertser: i just trying to understand nand now and experimenting with ecc a bit. i think without nand one will need to reflash nor to recent uboot |
| 17:57.34 | PaulFertser | gena2x: e |
| 17:57.45 | PaulFertser | gena2x: eMMC problem is on smartq devices |
| 17:59.07 | gena2x | PaulFertser: it frights me anyway :) |
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| 18:16.10 | PBeck|mobile | hi |
| 18:16.28 | SpeedEvil | hi |
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| 18:56.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | PBeck|mobile: hi |
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| 19:57.18 | rafa | alpha work in progress... I said, for gamers with balls : http://gamerunner.sf.net .. |
| 19:59.47 | groszek | hm, idea good, but what about perfomance in emulators? did you try gba? |
| 20:00.08 | groszek | btw, there is specialized device for that kind of gamers, gp2x :) |
| 20:00.38 | Martix | groszek: or OpenPandora :-) |
| 20:01.34 | Martix | rafa: on what distribution is GameRunner based? or its something like LFS? |
| 20:02.11 | rafa | groszek: I have almost snes9x with proper performance. Now, working in game control for that |
| 20:02.54 | groszek | hm, I know gpsp has a good optimisation for handhelds, it works fine on slower device (motorola e6) |
| 20:02.54 | rafa | Martix: check Documentation, but it is the old Image-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin kernel and Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs. |
| 20:03.09 | rafa | groszek: let me show you a video of snes9x in my fr |
| 20:03.20 | groszek | I can't really view any videos here |
| 20:04.14 | rafa | groszek: okey :) |
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| 20:05.05 | rafa | Martix: of course, we modified it for our purposes, like the web page suggest |
| 20:05.05 | rafa | s |
| 20:06.36 | rafa | we will not stop until we have quake2 and similar :) |
| 20:13.05 | rafa | groszek: gp2x: of course. I guess that all of us have one.. do not you? If no, you can try dingoo first |
| 20:13.39 | groszek | well, I use motorola for handheld gaming |
| 20:13.49 | groszek | snes, gbc, gba ;) |
| 20:13.58 | groszek | and I'm suprised it works much better than on FR.. |
| 20:14.07 | rafa | groszek: any open source cool game ? |
| 20:14.17 | rafa | groszek: did you do the ports for motorola? |
| 20:14.21 | groszek | yes |
| 20:14.25 | rafa | cool |
| 20:14.35 | groszek | well, only emulators, not games |
| 20:14.51 | groszek | as for games, lbreakout2, supertux (probably wont work..), freeciv |
| 20:15.01 | Martix | rafa: you are using old Xglamo, what about xserver-xorg-video-glamo? |
| 20:15.13 | groszek | prboom, wargus |
| 20:15.37 | rafa | groszek: lbreakout2 is in my todo list |
| 20:15.39 | groszek | and some j2me ? |
| 20:15.45 | groszek | that gives a lot of games |
| 20:16.32 | rafa | Martix: old Xglamo in such distro is great. I am not sure if xserver-xorg-video-glamo with such kernel would work well always (rotated, touchscreen press, etc) |
| 20:17.32 | rafa | groszek: I don't know j2me. I mean, I have not used it before. |
| 20:17.43 | groszek | j2me = original cellphone java |
| 20:17.48 | groszek | so java games for phones would work |
| 20:18.06 | groszek | but no idea if there is any j2me VM out there |
| 20:18.20 | rafa | neither I |
| 20:18.40 | lindi- | groszek: microemulator |
| 20:18.50 | lindi- | groszek: microemulator.sf.net |
| 20:18.58 | groszek | ok ok ;) |
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| 20:36.55 | Martix | rafa: just booted :-) |
| 20:38.49 | Martix | rafa: boot time is great, did you many changes to improve boot time? |
| 20:39.15 | rafa | Martix: Was it your first boot? |
| 20:39.23 | Martix | no, second :-) |
| 20:39.51 | rafa | ah.. okey. Yes, because our distro does not have services running or unnecesary stuff for games it boots faster |
| 20:40.30 | rafa | Martix: Pingus has music and sound :) |
| 20:40.55 | Martix | is playing Q1 right now |
| 20:44.00 | rafa | Matrix. AUX button switch between modes. ANd if you want to set the "home" pos for accelerometers, just put the FR in a comfortable "home" position for you and press the center of the screen. (when you are in mode number 2) |
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| 20:52.18 | Martix | rafa: seems like my accelerometers dont do anything |
| 20:53.03 | Martix | btw how I quit Q1? |
| 20:53.21 | rafa | Martix: try to press ESC and go to quit (using mode1). If you can quit then try the game again to check again accel |
| 20:53.46 | rafa | Martix: ESC is 1 (left upper corner) |
| 20:54.00 | lindi- | rafa: have the pingus patches been sent upstream? |
| 20:54.33 | rafa | lindi-: we simply modified the sound files with lower quality. I guess that they don't want those |
| 20:55.17 | lindi- | rafa: but what about acceelerometer stuff? |
| 20:55.46 | Martix | tried quit and get Q1 leaving message, but nothing more :-) |
| 20:55.47 | rafa | Martix: if you want to read a bit more about the game control there are doc in web page, or just ask me. I would like to help |
| 20:56.01 | Martix | rafa: I ret :-) |
| 20:56.06 | rafa | Martix: just press y, it is the 8 button :) |
| 20:56.33 | rafa | Martix: when you go to quit, and the message asking appears, we need to press the 8 button |
| 20:56.45 | Martix | rafa: ok |
| 20:56.54 | rafa | lindi-: for pingus? it plays just with touchscreen (mouse) |
| 20:57.17 | lindi- | ah |
| 20:58.10 | rafa | lindi-: For other games, we have written a simple app to control games. But it is an independent app, so our idea is just to build games and to use this external app to control them. |
| 20:58.20 | Martix | power button could quit running program, like in Om 2007.2 |
| 20:58.33 | rafa | Martix: yeah, I am thinking in that idea |
| 20:58.52 | rafa | Martix: thanks to point it again.. I forgot to add that to my todo list |
| 20:59.15 | Martix | your welcome :-) |
| 20:59.31 | lindi- | there are so few buttons that you better make it configurable :) |
| 21:04.45 | Martix | game control switch by AUX should be notified by red LED, 1 blink for mode1, 2 blink for mode2 |
| 21:05.13 | Martix | its more clear which mode is active |
| 21:05.33 | rafa | yeah, it needs some way to report the mode |
| 21:05.57 | rafa | added TODO |
| 21:06.09 | Martix | GJ :-) |
| 21:07.57 | rafa | :-) |
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| 21:09.59 | Martix | did you heard about logic game - Fish Fillets NG? |
| 21:10.18 | Martix | http://fillets.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:11.13 | rafa | I have not played it .. Is it fun?\ |
| 21:11.50 | Martix | I think yes |
| 21:12.47 | rafa | let me try.. |
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| 22:35.18 | elopio | hi there. |
| 22:35.38 | elopio | how do I enable the automatic screen rotation? |
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| 22:37.46 | PaulFertser | elopio: omrotate or something... |
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| 22:47.14 | naught101_ | I'm running qtmoko, and the battery doesn't seem to want to charge, even with the powersupply.. anyone got any ideas? |
| 22:48.11 | lindi- | naught101_: current_now? |
| 22:49.16 | naught101_ | lindi-: that's a command? |
| 22:49.59 | lindi- | sysfs file |
| 22:50.32 | lindi- | naught101_: the command "om battey consumption" is not in qtmoko |
| 22:51.03 | naught101_ | where is it? |
| 22:52.34 | PaulFertser | naught101_: debian |
| 22:53.55 | naught101_ | hrm.. i just booted with my nokia battery, and it now seems to be charging, so I switched back to the freerunner battery |
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| 22:54.30 | PaulFertser | naught101_: FR charges any battery. |
| 22:54.51 | naught101_ | PaulFertser: so I'd heard |
| 22:55.17 | PaulFertser | naught101_: have you read Battery Questions and Answers wiki page? |
| 22:55.26 | PaulFertser | ~batteryfaq |
| 22:55.27 | infobot | batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
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| 22:57.40 | niel | anyone got gcc segfaulting on a debian sid image ? |
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| 23:05.17 | rafa | Martix: I tested the image. Accelerometers did not work in the first try with quake1 :( .. but after quit and re start from main GUI it works well. |
| 23:05.27 | rafa | I put a note at web page |
| 23:06.06 | Martix | ok |
| 23:08.34 | rafa | and it happens with all the games which use gamerunner game control.. grrr |
| 23:09.07 | rhaeder | hi. how can I save settings like 'auto-dim' and 'auto-suspend' ? |
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| 23:11.53 | rhaeder | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/c_elementary.so: undefined symbol: elm_list_horizontal_mode_get |
| 23:11.55 | rhaeder | :( |
| 23:14.48 | rhaeder | I have SHR unstable |
| 23:15.02 | rhaeder | and it worked before I have installed and uninstalled some themes |
| 23:15.14 | rhaeder | also the bottom navigation is messed |
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| 23:18.50 | naught101__ | I can ping my FR, but I can't ssh to it (no route to host). anyone know why that might be? |
| 23:19.57 | max_posedon | naught101_, haven't you big local network, attached to eth0? |
| 23:20.00 | rhaeder | are you trying to connect to it from the host where you connect it? |
| 23:20.40 | naught101__ | max_posedon: no, I'm on wlan, and it's not on 192.169.0.* |
| 23:20.49 | naught101__ | rhaeder: |
| 23:20.51 | naught101__ | yes |
| 23:21.10 | rhaeder | ok, my first thought :) |
| 23:21.31 | naught101__ | it's possible that networkmanager is messing with the usb0, right? |
| 23:22.18 | naught101__ | yeah, I think that's it... |
| 23:22.44 | rhaeder | I know reinstall all packages here, hope that will fix it :/ |
| 23:25.44 | naught101__ | what's the usb networking device called on the FR? |
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| 23:57.29 | naught101__ | ARRGGH. has anyone managed to get usb networking working simultaneously with networkmanager connecting to an external network? |
| 23:57.43 | naught101__ | I keep getting Jan 9 10:57:16 naught-laptop NetworkManager: <info> (usb0): carrier now OFF (device state 1) |
| 23:57.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep. don't ask how |
| 23:58.02 | naught101__ | DocScrutinizer51: how? :P |
| 23:58.25 | max_posedon | naught101__, I'm little surprised that you have usb0 on your laptop |
| 23:58.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I really can't recall. Only know it was a *PITA* |
| 23:58.57 | naught101__ | yeah, I'm seein' that right now |
| 23:59.06 | PaulFertser | naught101__: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Plug-and-Play_USB_Networking |
| 23:59.17 | naught101__ | I think it's compounded by the fact taht I'm using knetworkmanager... |
| 23:59.21 | naught101__ | PaulFertser: thanks |
