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| 00:29.55 | Broam | asdruv: I'd file a bug, yes. Which distro? |
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| 00:38.17 | asdruv | Broam: shr unstable |
| 00:38.43 | asdruv | Broam: i've been searching and didn't find... where do i file the bug?? |
| 00:38.46 | Broam | asdruv: I think I'm running that too. I say "I think" because I might be running testing |
| 00:39.17 | asdruv | hmmm... you getting the same error?? |
| 00:39.22 | Broam | asdruv: I can still count on one hand the number of days I've owned my FreeRunner, without resorting to binary...so...your guess is as good as mine ;) |
| 00:39.51 | Broam | http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Bug-report |
| 00:40.28 | Broam | asdruv: I'm using testing. |
| 00:56.46 | asdruv | ok then!! thanks for the help! |
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| 01:18.03 | andrew2325 | i can't get mine to turn on after i flashed the kernel. the battery might be dead. any suggestions? |
| 01:18.47 | SpeedEvil | hold down aux to get to backup flash |
| 01:19.07 | andrew2325 | tried that |
| 01:19.36 | SpeedEvil | turn off, rewmove bat, remove usb |
| 01:19.37 | andrew2325 | tried it again and it worked thanks |
| 01:19.44 | SpeedEvil | ;0 |
| 01:19.46 | SpeedEvil | 0 |
| 01:19.52 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:21.09 | andrew2325 | gonna try out android for the first time in ages |
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| 01:28.19 | andrew2325 | problem: i installed qi, but it's still using uboot |
| 01:28.51 | SpeedEvil | the rescue rom? |
| 01:28.57 | andrew2325 | yea |
| 01:29.00 | SpeedEvil | can't be updated |
| 01:29.08 | SpeedEvil | without debug boards |
| 01:29.15 | andrew2325 | dang |
| 01:29.41 | andrew2325 | i guess no android for me until i get a debug board |
| 01:30.15 | SpeedEvil | the rescue bootloader is only used if you press aux |
| 01:30.18 | SpeedEvil | don't press aux |
| 01:30.37 | andrew2325 | okay, so it DID install qi? |
| 01:31.29 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 01:31.45 | andrew2325 | when i just turn it on, it's a black screen |
| 01:31.52 | SpeedEvil | the bootloader installed on the main flash is not relevant to what's installed on the rescue rom |
| 01:31.55 | andrew2325 | dunno if it's completely powering up or not |
| 01:31.55 | SpeedEvil | \ |
| 01:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Reflash the bootloader on the normal rom, using the bootloader in rescue mode |
| 01:33.09 | andrew2325 | having a dead battery makes this difficult |
| 01:33.33 | andrew2325 | or maybe it's cuz i tried to load android from the rescue rom |
| 01:34.08 | Broam | andrew2325: I actually found flashing Qi to be the easiest thing I did w/ my FreeRunner all day |
| 01:34.22 | andrew2325 | broam, i flashed it. no problem. |
| 01:34.31 | andrew2325 | the damn thing doesn't boot android. |
| 01:35.01 | andrew2325 | barely even turns on |
| 01:35.07 | Broam | andrew2325: black screen w/ or without backlight? |
| 01:35.21 | andrew2325 | with backlight, i can't really tell |
| 01:35.30 | andrew2325 | looks like it's on |
| 01:36.00 | Broam | backlight means Qi is booting |
| 01:36.03 | Broam | you might have to up the logging level |
| 01:36.12 | andrew2325 | ah |
| 01:37.02 | andrew2325 | so just let it stay on like that? |
| 01:37.09 | andrew2325 | black screen and all |
| 01:38.58 | andrew2325 | still loading i guess |
| 01:39.12 | Broam | plug it in to the charger |
| 01:39.16 | Broam | don't want to kill your battery |
| 01:39.26 | andrew2325 | it's plugged into the computer |
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| 01:40.06 | Broam | I'm still mucking with SHR myself |
| 01:40.26 | andrew2325 | i didn't like the tiny keyboard, not very fun for sms |
| 01:40.38 | Broam | I'd love to see Cellwriter for it |
| 01:40.44 | Broam | or Dasher, hell |
| 01:41.06 | andrew2325 | but it looks like i'll be stuck with shr |
| 01:41.12 | andrew2325 | cuz qi/android is not booting |
| 01:41.20 | andrew2325 | at all... just a black screen |
| 01:41.45 | Broam | hmm. |
| 01:41.49 | andrew2325 | maybe it's because qi tries to boot from the microsd? |
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| 01:43.06 | Broam | yes, it starts there first |
| 01:43.13 | Broam | you trying to flash android on your NAND? |
| 01:43.17 | andrew2325 | yea |
| 01:43.31 | Broam | what's on the microsd? |
| 01:43.32 | andrew2325 | i have no way of putting info on my microsd at the moment |
| 01:43.45 | Broam | it should vibrate once if it skips the uSD |
| 01:43.48 | andrew2325 | without flashing shr and doing it that way |
| 01:44.06 | andrew2325 | it vibrated once. |
| 01:44.15 | Broam | then it's at least trying to hit the NAND |
| 01:45.35 | Broam | still debating whether I actually want to put my SIM into my freerunner |
| 01:45.52 | SpeedEvil | get another |
| 01:46.00 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:46.02 | andrew2325 | no $ |
| 01:46.10 | SpeedEvil | dunno if htey give them out free in the |
| 01:46.12 | SpeedEvil | \us |
| 01:46.15 | andrew2325 | lol |
| 01:46.17 | SpeedEvil | suspect not |
| 01:46.30 | SpeedEvil | sorry about the typing - I need thinner love. |
| 01:46.31 | Broam | Not really that, but sort of the whole "not satisfied yet" vibe |
| 01:46.32 | SpeedEvil | gloves |
| 01:47.03 | andrew2325 | i've used my simcard in mine before. |
| 01:47.13 | Broam | until I got the saved profile working for wifi I had to leave mokoconnect open to get it to stay on |
| 01:47.15 | andrew2325 | i let a friend of mine use it for a while, and he crashed shr |
| 01:48.07 | andrew2325 | i can't even get it to boot into the rescue menu now |
| 01:48.20 | andrew2325 | i don't know if my battery is dead or what, but this is starting to anger me |
| 01:48.31 | Broam | you've got the dance down pat I assume |
| 01:48.47 | Broam | aux in -> power in -> aux off -> power off |
| 01:49.37 | andrew2325 | they should have just put a button on it for this |
| 01:49.55 | Broam | From what i've gathered, there's a lot of things they should have done. :) |
| 01:51.06 | andrew2325 | i don't have much choice about fixing this crappy phone. my nokia is dead, beyond repair |
| 01:51.19 | andrew2325 | it's a wonderful /idea/ |
| 01:51.21 | Broam | OM 2008 was nice, and reasonably snappy, minus the lack of wifi out of the box |
| 01:51.38 | Broam | SHR is really heavyweight |
| 01:51.55 | andrew2325 | i can live without wifi as long as the keyboard isn't tiny, and it will actually turn on |
| 01:51.57 | Broam | andrew2325: the backlight comes on, so it's definitely got battery power |
| 01:53.18 | andrew2325 | i honestly can't tell if the backlight is on or not |
| 01:53.23 | andrew2325 | it's not bright whatever it is |
| 01:53.29 | andrew2325 | it vibrates and then nothing |
| 01:55.02 | andrew2325 | whatever happened to koolu |
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| 01:58.47 | Broam | Qi is supposed to be pretty minimal |
| 01:58.55 | Broam | I don't even think it inits video |
| 01:59.56 | andrew2325 | it's garbage |
| 02:00.31 | Broam | I am at a loss. And I am sorry your friend effectively destroyed your phone. |
| 02:00.52 | Broam | I have a basic unlocked 850/1900 only phone I picked up cheap. |
| 02:00.54 | andrew2325 | lol, it's not destroyed. i could easily put shr back on it, but shr sucks |
| 02:01.10 | Broam | I can safely say I'm not completely satisfied with SHR either. |
| 02:01.40 | Broam | If I knew where to send bug reports I think I'd have quite a few to send. |
| 02:01.42 | andrew2325 | for the freerunner's software to be two years in the making, it sure does suck |
| 02:02.05 | andrew2325 | it's come a long way. to the point where i'd actually use it not |
| 02:02.09 | andrew2325 | but still |
| 02:02.14 | Broam | I'm having quite a fit of buyer's remorse, I guess. |
| 02:02.26 | Broam | Then again, when I see things that DO work |
| 02:02.29 | Broam | it's really exciting |
| 02:02.47 | andrew2325 | yea, i regret buying it really. |
| 02:03.05 | Broam | Jury's still out on whether I regret my XO |
| 02:03.12 | Broam | I've gotten quite a lot of use out of it |
| 02:04.35 | Broam | Anyway, my wife wishes to go running, and I'm inclined to join her |
| 02:04.58 | Broam | oh and as far as Android is concerned |
| 02:05.13 | Broam | I found a presentation somewhere on the net from someone who had to port Android |
| 02:05.16 | Broam | and it was kinda damning |
| 02:05.28 | Broam | things like hardcoded device nodes |
| 02:06.42 | Broam | later on. |
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| 02:10.39 | andrew2325 | any idea of how to go back from qi to the default |
| 02:10.44 | andrew2325 | i can't find a place to download it |
| 02:12.34 | ndnihil | default is uboot |
| 02:12.39 | andrew2325 | found it |
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| 02:18.01 | andrew2325 | so is there anyway to change the keyboard on shr? |
| 02:18.27 | andrew2325 | the keys are too tiny to really type with your fingers, and styluses are buzz killington jr. |
| 02:23.58 | Wonka | yes. see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards for hints. |
| 02:24.28 | andrew2325 | thanks wonka and happy new years |
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| 02:49.59 | andrew2325 | where can i get the latest shr file system? |
| 02:50.11 | andrew2325 | i downloaded one, but it keeps doing a kernel panic |
| 02:50.37 | andrew2325 | saying there is something wrong with the filesystem |
| 02:50.38 | ndnihil | /topic |
| 02:51.15 | andrew2325 | okay? |
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| 03:15.57 | pabs3 | a question about qi: is there a way to disable the USB network mac address increment so that all partitions get the same g_ether.dev_addr |
| 03:29.40 | pabs3 | anyone know what I'm looking for in the logs for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024#Bug_detection_by_fso |
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| 03:40.04 | andrew2325 | is there anyway to load contacts from the simcard? |
| 03:40.21 | andrew2325 | in shr? |
| 03:40.47 | pabs3 | the shr-contacts app automatically does that for me |
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| 03:43.52 | andrew2325 | didn't for me |
| 03:44.50 | andrew2325 | any ideas? |
| 03:46.32 | andrew2325 | i backed up my contacts on my sim from another phone, and i was trying to access them. it was on a nokia |
| 03:47.03 | pabs3 | check your /var/log/frameworkd.log to see if frameworkd is trying and failing access the card |
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| 03:53.07 | andrew2325 | i think that's the problem |
| 03:53.39 | andrew2325 | but i don't know what to grep for in the /var/log/framekworkd.log |
| 03:55.01 | pabs3 | either |
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| 07:27.03 | slaxxer | anybody using eclair? |
| 07:43.05 | slaxxer | its not doing anything |
| 07:52.56 | PaulFertser | raster: you're right open-source doesn't have any ideology and you're right open-source sells. But free software wasn't started like that. The main motivational factor for creating the free software movement was ethics and philosophy. This makes free software much more nearer to those "damned hippies" than to "since making copies costs nothing we release it for our benefit". |
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| 07:56.07 | PaulFertser | raster: and i think calling GNU/Linux "open source" is stretching the truth, many developers who took part thought about ethical reasons, about sharing in general, not only for those things that can be shared free of charge. |
| 07:56.21 | PaulFertser | raster: and btw, Hi and Happy New Year ;) |
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| 08:02.23 | raster | PaulFertser: sorry - i forgot the original topic? |
| 08:03.05 | PaulFertser | raster: you telling that "open source" is not related to "free-love-hippies" and the latter having "hijacked the ride". |
| 08:04.01 | raster | they have hijacked it |
| 08:04.07 | PaulFertser | I agree open source is not related. With a bit of twisting one can even say that it's those open-sourcers that "hijacked the ride", because they appeared >10 years later after the free software movement started. |
| 08:04.13 | raster | when i started with linux and open source it was all programmers doing their bit |
| 08:04.15 | raster | sending patches |
| 08:04.17 | raster | using code |
| 08:04.26 | raster | sending reallyt useful suggestions - along with patches |
| 08:04.43 | raster | and if shit cost money - then it cost money. you paid. or you just did something else |
| 08:04.46 | raster | that has changed |
| 08:05.00 | raster | there are a mass of whiners who think they are entitled to get every bit of software for free now |
| 08:05.12 | raster | and if it doesnt work or it has bugs or it just has something that annoys them |
| 08:05.22 | raster | they just whine and complain and telly ou how much you suck |
| 08:05.29 | raster | and how they will go use someone elses software |
| 08:05.38 | raster | as opposed to sit down - fix the problerm and send you a patch |
| 08:06.29 | PaulFertser | raster: it's all technical matters. But if you look at http://gnu.org again you'll see that free software is not about it. |
| 08:06.49 | PaulFertser | raster: driven primarily by ethical, not technical reasoning. |
| 08:07.25 | slaxxer | ethics hmmm... |
| 08:09.03 | PaulFertser | raster: that's how GPL was created. You know the "printer story", do not you? It was not about technical details or jammed paper. It was about life attitude, about attitude to one's friends and fellow developers. About ethics. Stallman constantly telling it. |
| 08:09.05 | raster | yes - i know about the reasoning behing gnu |
| 08:09.09 | raster | stallman hasnt been quiet |
| 08:09.16 | raster | i know the story |
| 08:09.29 | raster | but behind those ethics are a practical reason |
| 08:09.41 | raster | which is closer to the open source ethos |
| 08:09.43 | raster | back to basics of |
| 08:10.28 | raster | "i have a printer - and your driver doesnt work, nor will you support me or help me and i have shit to print! so could i kindly just have the source and fix it myself? and if i want can i give those fixed binaries/source to my fellow sysadmins/whatever so they can enjoy the fix i made?" |
| 08:10.56 | PaulFertser | It can't be that way: practical reason behind ethics. Just impossible. Free software wouldn't be considered some kind of religion if it was. Stallman wouldn't make jokes about "church of Emacs" and the like if it was. |
| 08:11.55 | PaulFertser | raster: Stallman wouldn't use the word "friend" on his lectures because in business there's no friends. |
| 08:12.19 | PaulFertser | Just partners |
| 08:12.56 | PaulFertser | raster: it's you who see practical reasons behind the ethics. But i'm sure many developers see it the other way round. |
| 08:13.43 | PaulFertser | Because sharing and helping each other is natural for many people. And they do that even if that costs them money. |
| 08:14.21 | raster | well maybe i just live in "the other world" |
| 08:14.36 | raster | most of the develoeprs aroudn me who i know are the practical variety |
| 08:14.42 | raster | open source is a damned good practical thing |
| 08:14.54 | raster | the ethics are a way of keeping tyhe practical thing going |
| 08:15.03 | raster | any closed elements are just a source of pain and misery |
| 08:15.09 | raster | and are to be avoided if possible |
| 08:15.51 | slaxxer | if it wernt for the high cost of softwar to begin with u guys wouldnt be having this conv. |
| 08:16.15 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: nope, we would |
| 08:16.30 | slaxxer | 3500.00 for 1,s an 0,s |
| 08:17.38 | raster | slaxxer: ? |
| 08:17.45 | raster | wonderign where cost of software comes into it? |
| 08:17.49 | raster | (explain?) |
| 08:18.02 | slaxxer | say for instance "pcmiler" |
| 08:18.36 | slaxxer | a large cost foe software |
| 08:19.32 | slaxxer | now u guys have played the ethics card now we have some free software,,, so tell me why u did it? |
| 08:20.03 | slaxxer | was it ethics or the need for somthing cheaper ? |
| 08:20.12 | slaxxer | or both |
| 08:21.02 | slaxxer | were u thinking pfft 3500 bucks for that n? |
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| 08:21.34 | slaxxer | were u thinking of all the r&D |
| 08:21.54 | slaxxer | or neither |
| 08:22.19 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i'm sure it started based on ethics. Naturally, having non-free software was harming the fun. But the main focus was ethics. And it wasn't a big issue until some decided that free software is too radical. That helping friends doesn't sell. And they "invented" "open source". |
| 08:22.42 | slaxxer | because u never use pcmiler so it doesnt affect u so no problem? |
| 08:28.37 | Undrwater1 | Happy New Year all! |
| 08:28.51 | Undrwater1 | philosophical discussion is a good way to start ;) |
| 08:29.01 | slaxxer | :) |
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| 08:29.57 | Undrwater1 | rather than someone "just whine and complain and telly ou how much you suck" |
| 08:30.11 | Undrwater1 | :D |
| 08:31.10 | slaxxer | tellin a great software dev that they suck is very counterproductive |
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| 08:35.16 | slaxxer | if it wernt for u guys donating time we would still be stuck with microcrap |
| 08:35.38 | slaxxer | DONATING |
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| 10:29.19 | PaulFertser | pabs3: oh yeah, thanks for reminding. I hope roh knows what to do :) |
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| 13:34.17 | alabd | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d \! 192.168.3.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.151.13 << has been used to share ppp0 internet from 192.168.3.1 to 192.168.3.2 but while 192.168.3.2 pings an address it gives > From 192.168.3.2 icmp_seq=59 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 13:35.35 | alabd | of course 192.168.3.1 is FR |
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| 14:19.25 | groszek | hmmm, qtmoko-debian works great, i must say |
| 14:19.36 | groszek | very fast and nice |
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| 14:35.56 | groszek | if only anyone would know how to use wifi? :P |
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| 14:38.59 | tomcatek | groszek: try using terminal :) |
| 14:39.22 | groszek | yes, that will work, but their wiki says there is a gui... just hidden too well |
| 14:57.22 | groszek | ah-ha! settings->internet->new->wireless lan |
| 14:58.42 | tomcatek | :] |
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| 17:09.42 | badcloud_ | hey all |
| 17:10.13 | badcloud_ | why is it that I get so much more bat life with shr than with debian? |
| 17:10.51 | Defiant | badcloud_: have you tried running the shr kernel under debian? |
| 17:11.26 | badcloud_ | Defiant, will it work? |
| 17:11.37 | badcloud_ | (I haven't) |
| 17:11.44 | Defiant | badcloud_: it does here and I don't see a reason why not |
| 17:12.09 | badcloud_ | ... cool |
| 17:14.06 | badcloud_ | but as I understand, shr telephony is being developed more than debian's? |
| 17:14.25 | badcloud_ | not sure if I put that question out right |
| 17:15.28 | badcloud_ | know what I mean? |
| 17:21.13 | badcloud_ | Defiant,? |
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| 17:40.02 | Defiant | badcloud_: sorry never used the gsm part |
| 17:41.19 | badcloud_ | right |
| 17:41.21 | badcloud_ | thanks |
| 17:41.33 | badcloud_ | think I'll boot shr on shr kernel and just chroot to debian |
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| 18:42.55 | alabd | Hello , is there a Free (to use) simple ringtone ? |
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