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00:42.45apt[rui] <n=Rui@a85-138-13-253.cpe.netcabo.pt> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 5d 2h 42m 33s ago, saying: 'should I make update or is it useless?'.
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03:00.26BroamEvening all
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03:04.23BroamI'm now sitting in front of my FreeRunner A7, charging for the first time.
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05:11.55alabdHi , Can other software maps be used with tangoGPS ?
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05:29.23slaxxerosm,google 2 other options   in the settings
05:29.45slaxxerbooting latest shr testing
05:30.03slaxxer1218
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05:30.53slaxxerdid u get shr testing to work?
05:31.11slaxxerDOC
05:31.38slaxxeris there core hardware yet?
05:31.48alabdslaxxer: hi yes that is ok now
05:32.05alabdbut which format maps can be used with tangogps ?
05:32.21slaxxeri dont know
05:32.58alabdslaxxer: so from where you got your city maps ?
05:33.00slaxxermight even be able to display other stuff besides maps  
05:33.19slaxxerosm
05:34.42slaxxer<PROTECTED>
05:35.13alabdfor example at all how to know fr gets gps signals now ?
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05:35.50alabdslaxxer: yes here http://www.openstreetmap.org/ but does it have city mapS?
05:36.17slaxxerincomplete  i guess
05:37.02alabdok how to know if it is complete or not ?
05:37.23slaxxerhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS
05:38.21alabdthanks
05:40.13slaxxer:)
05:40.51slaxxeru have to supply your own mapps mann
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05:46.29slaxxercan open 2 instances of contacts   thats prolly not good
05:47.51slaxxerseems faster
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08:34.28ndnihilwoot, the FR can talk to the Spykee
08:35.17ndnihilthe wireless chipset built into my laptop doesnt like it, but the Realtek chipset dongle and the FR can talk to it with no problems
08:36.05ndnihil(spykee is a cheap arm9+linux based robot with wifi and webcam)
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08:42.35rhkfinnice :)
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09:05.33panickingHi all
09:05.45panickinganyone know where I can download the shr alsa scenarii
09:05.48panicking?
09:05.54panickingwithout download all shr
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09:10.06panickingno problem
09:10.06panickingfind
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09:19.08badcloud_hey pips
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09:27.12badcloud_I'm trying to compile remind under shr-t but can't set up the compiler system to save my life. how difficult is it to set up a cross-compiling system on a standard desktop?
09:28.07badcloud_seems like there are libraries missing, libc_nonshared.a for one
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09:36.20rhkfinbadcloud_: AFAIK not difficult if things work. AFAIK, they usually don't.
09:40.18badcloud_rhkfin, well put
09:41.42rhkfinOne of the Openmoko Challanges has allways been the lack of proper cross-compiling environment. From what I've heard, it's never been well documented..
09:41.57badcloud_I see
09:42.41rhkfinI don't understand much about this but this should tell you something about it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application - but it's most likely outdated..
09:43.00lindi-rhkfin: i don't think there are enough people to maintain an openmoko specific toolchain
09:43.08rhkfinright
09:43.15rhkfinhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
09:43.28lindi-rhkfin: one can get armel toolchains from different sources already
09:43.40lindi-rhkfin: emdebian, scratchbox, ...
09:43.52rhkfinbadcloud_: ^
09:44.01badcloud_thanks
09:44.21lindi-badcloud_: and of course emulation is the easiest solution
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09:53.54badcloud_lindi-, is there a fairly comprehensive guide for that?
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10:48.48panickinghi all
10:49.06panickingis there a bluetooth expert here
10:49.07panicking?
10:49.35panickingI have a Parrot device
10:49.40panickingand use with freerunner
10:49.47panickingI have this error
10:50.05panicking: D-Bus error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod (Method "Connect" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.audio.Sink" doesn't exist
10:50.42PaulFertserpanicking: hey
10:51.18PaulFertserpanicking: bluez4 info is at the om wiki, it's a little bit outdated wrt using `pidof bluetoothd` but otherwise it's good.
10:51.20panickingPaulFertser, anyone has a parrot car handsfree
10:51.24Heinervdmpanicking: then you're missing an argument
10:51.58PaulFertserpanicking: so have you tried looking there for bluez4 info? Manually_using_bluetooth
10:52.16panickingYes, but I don't have all the support on android filesystem
10:52.21panickingthe signature
10:52.23panickingis missed
10:52.24panicking?
10:53.10PaulFertserpanicking: i guess you're using some outdated bluez3 guide
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10:57.24PaulFertserpanicking: i tell you om wiki has some bluez4 info. And bluez4 sources have "doc" directory with an almost comprehensive API documentation.
10:58.03panickingok
10:58.05panickingthanks
10:59.32PaulFertserpanicking: and test directory has some example python programs, they're easy to understand.
10:59.37PaulFertserpanicking: are you trying to do SCO?
11:00.22PaulFertserpanicking: beware that the chip in FR does SCO over PCM interface (not hci!) by default and there's no easy documented method to switch that (though i know one).
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11:02.04PaulFertserpanicking: gtg, feel free to ping me for bluez questions
11:02.09PaulFertsercu
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14:43.55ftnHey there. which shr version should I choose if I'm looking for stability? pls
14:46.02Zzorkmanftn: 1. haven't had time to play with my FR for months, but I would suggest testing
14:46.19Zzorkman2. better askin #openmoko-cdevel, most shr people/devs are there
14:46.36ftnalright, thanks
14:46.44Zzorkmanno problem
14:47.46tomcatekftn: if You are not afraid of making some adjustments after upgrades (sometimes) You can use unstable
14:48.11tomcatekftn: testing is more "boring" ;)
14:48.54ftnummm, I like changing settings and that stuff, but I'm also looking for a stable wifi and gprs conenction
14:49.56ZorkmanI used to always use unstable, but I have no idea how stable it is nowadays...
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14:54.47babameloneHi, Im using SHR, but I dont find a possibility to install eve web browser
14:55.09babameloneit is in the feeds, but it doesnt install by opkg install eve
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14:57.33tomcatekftn: on my SHR unstable connections works very stable
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14:59.08ftnbabamelone might seem unimportant but have you tried "opkg update" first
14:59.11ftn?
14:59.38babameloneyes
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15:00.12babamelonebut it was in the feeds before too, and opkg update didnt change anything
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15:15.30babameloneokay, I found out the source of the problem, libewebkit(enlightenment) and libwebkit(gtk) provide the same file, so opkg cannot have both installed simultaneously. The file is called error.html, so I assume it is the same file. How can I tell opkg to ignore this error
15:16.56lindi-babamelone: you should fix the packages?
15:17.39babameloneHow can I achieve this? And should they be fixed, because obviously both packages need the error page!
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15:22.57lindi-babamelone: the error page should be moved to a common package
15:23.32babamelonek, well how do I handle this?
15:23.44babameloneOr where can I report this problem
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15:24.35lindi-babamelone: who providede the package?
15:24.53babameloneshr, it is in the standard shr feeds
15:25.25lindi-babamelone: well then report it to shr?
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18:15.04PaulFertserlindi-: do you have any opinion on kernel<->userspace API for a general purpose data aquisition board? I think a mode where you set parameters (freq, channels, gain etc) through sysfs nodes and get data through input subsystem would be nice to have, no?
18:15.27PaulFertserlindi-: and our g-meter drivers already use input subsystem to report EV_ABS data.
18:15.34lindi-PaulFertser: not sure
18:16.52PaulFertserlindi-: i'd like to have two modes: low-freq stuff through input subsystem and high-perf mode where userspace mmaps the kernel memory where the data is DMA'd by the card. The second is a lot more involving both for driver and userspace.
18:17.08lindi-PaulFertser: at work we use ADAM/NUDAM bus to control gain and offset of AD converters and a ioctl() on a node on /dev or setting sampling rates
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18:20.55PaulFertserlindi-: so what do you propose for a PCI DAQ board?
18:21.51lindi-PaulFertser: this was PCI daq board but i don't really know what to suggest :(
18:22.59PaulFertserlindi-: what would you prefer from a userspace pov? I think for fast prototyping a low-freq interface like i suggest might work ok, no?
18:23.31lindi-PaulFertser: why not have only one interface and a library to handle the complexity
18:24.04lindi-i'd hate to see a bug that only affects one inteface
18:24.32PaulFertserlindi-: well, first reason is that i'm not ready to implement the complex solution (dma and mmaped buffers) right now :) and all documentation i have for dma with this board are windows driver sources :)
18:24.58lindi-PaulFertser: this board had docs but also a long list of bugs afaik
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18:25.33lindi-PaulFertser: if you can suggest some externally syncable pci* DAQ card that can do at least four channels please let me know :
18:25.44lindi-hrm, this wireless keyboard keeps dropping characters
18:28.52PaulFertserlindi-: the one i work has a way to trigger a conversion externally, provides 16 12-bit differential channels, costs <$450
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18:29.35lindi-PaulFertser: but can it take external clock input?
18:30.01PaulFertserlindi-: for triggering ADC conversions?
18:30.10lindi-PaulFertser: yes
18:30.13PaulFertserlindi-: yes
18:30.26lindi-PaulFertser: ok, but the problem seems to be lack of docs/drivers?
18:31.05PaulFertserlindi-: not now, i've got windows driver source. And there's a decent register-level reference, it only lacks dma info.
18:31.19lindi-PaulFertser: is the windows driver free? :/
18:32.17PaulFertserlindi-: nope, i got the source as a courtesy.
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18:34.45PaulFertserlindi-: there's a usb board from the same manufacturer with a free linux driver, though it's of relatively low quality.
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18:35.48PaulFertserlindi-: what frequency do you need?
18:36.02lindi-PaulFertser: just 10 kHz
18:36.53lindi-PaulFertser: and 16-bit samples if possible
18:37.09PaulFertserlindi-: i think that's easy even without DMA. There's a fifo on board, you can get IRQ when it's half filled, then you just readout the whole fifo, pushing it to the consumer through a character device.
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18:41.27PaulFertserlindi-: you can get 14-bit board for $550.
18:43.32PaulFertserlindi-: i can look through their usb daq boards
18:46.01PaulFertserlindi-: nope, they lack them, 16bit are too much. 24bit delta-sigma but only 800Hz max.
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20:30.42PaulFertserandi: OT: do you by any chance want to discuss kernel<->userspace API for an ADC board?
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20:56.33andihi PaulFertser
20:56.41andiADC board via USB?
20:56.54PaulFertserandi: Hi :) no, it's a PCI DAQ board that i have in mind.
20:57.05PaulFertserandi: but it doesn't matter much.
20:58.25andiperhaps it can be handled as a multi-channel soundcard?
20:59.42andiI have never done anything with such board
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21:00.53PaulFertseri'd like to have two modes: low-freq stuff through input subsystem and high-perf mode where userspace mmaps the kernel memory where the data is DMA'd by the card. The second is a lot more involving both for the driver and userspace.
21:00.54andithe last time I wanted to make measurements with a computer, I put ADC measurements from one pic µC over one usb endpoint
21:01.28andiso I had a low-freq digital scope not ignoring dc
21:02.35andihmm, sound drivers often have the possibility to mmap the dma buffer
21:02.51andiso maybe use the alsa subsystem for that
21:04.52PaulFertserandi: i thought about it for a bit but was afraid to follow the route due to the complexity of alsa, both kernel and userland-wise.
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21:07.26andioss was simpler, but since oss drivers are depreciated, that might also not be a good idea
21:08.31andimaybe just giving the oss api to userspace but not using any oss framework stuff from the kernel
21:08.43PaulFertserandi: ('scope) btw, somebody might be interested "The analog input offers 360 kHz usable BW at 8 effective bits or 100kHz usable BW at 12 effective bits." http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-e.htm
21:09.21PaulFertserIf only those bt878-boards were as easy to source as they were several years ago...
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21:12.53andiyes, looks interesting
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