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| 00:45.02 | doc|home | so, are any distros actually usable for the freerunner yet? |
| 00:45.21 | doc|home | flawless call, sms and wifi |
| 00:45.51 | max_posedon | shr-unstable is the best now, I think |
| 00:47.17 | doc|home | thanks, will look at it |
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| 03:42.58 | naquan | hi everyone, TangoGPS 0.99.1 on SHR has strange interface with no Config button, the command "gconftool-2 -g /apps/tangogps/repos" return nothing, I can't add the googlemap repo, could anyone please help me? |
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| 03:48.41 | slaxxer | hackable r5 usable? |
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| 03:49.31 | slaxxer | someone attacked my slack |
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| 03:51.27 | slaxxer | what another darwin for moko? |
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| 04:11.37 | slaxxer | is shr testing opkg upgradeable/ |
| 04:11.42 | slaxxer | ? |
| 04:14.57 | BillK | naquan: On this version there are two arrows to slide to the config screens - same options as previous versions are there. |
| 04:16.43 | naquan | BillK: thank you :) |
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| 04:43.21 | slaxxer | shouldnt the phone log come up automaticly upon resume when there are calls? |
| 04:43.28 | slaxxer | on shr? |
| 04:44.31 | slaxxer | ore a quick tab in the b bottom right corner where the contacts tab is? |
| 04:45.25 | slaxxer | maybe remove the dialer tab because its rarely used |
| 04:46.06 | slaxxer | 4 tabs would still be useable |
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| 06:41.13 | alabd | Hi , Before installing SHR on FR , should instant os be removed first ? |
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| 06:48.01 | PaulFertser | alabd: no |
| 06:48.07 | PaulFertser | alabd: you just flash whatever you want |
| 06:51.26 | alabd | Should not choice consol USB be selected and then cable be connected to pc ? after these the choice does not work means consol usb des no work |
| 06:52.23 | alabd | hi |
| 06:52.25 | alabd | paul |
| 06:55.03 | alabd | wait first to test # dfu-util -a <altsetting> -R -D <file_name> |
| 06:56.11 | alabd | ok paul |
| 06:56.13 | alabd | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 06:57.52 | alabd | now dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 06:58.16 | alabd | it stopped at Starting download: [# |
| 06:58.55 | PaulFertser | alabd: stopped like hanged? |
| 06:59.07 | alabd | no it is going head |
| 06:59.35 | alabd | what is it downloading ?\ |
| 06:59.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: rootfs _to_ FR |
| 07:00.11 | alabd | so means download from pc .. |
| 07:00.43 | alabd | how long does it last if it lasts more than 30 min humble go around |
| 07:01.29 | PaulFertser | Sorry, no idea. |
| 07:01.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: 10-15 min i guess |
| 07:01.55 | alabd | maybe we can do # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin beside |
| 07:01.58 | alabd | ? |
| 07:02.02 | PaulFertser | alabd: no |
| 07:02.08 | alabd | ok |
| 07:02.11 | PaulFertser | alabd: kernel flashes in less than half a minute. |
| 07:03.10 | alabd | can not kernel be downloaded beside rootfs ?why ? |
| 07:03.28 | PaulFertser | alabd: it can't be done, that's how it works. |
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| 07:21.09 | alabd | ok rootfs is finished , should kernel be flashed immediatley ? |
| 07:21.16 | alabd | PaulFertser: |
| 07:21.33 | PaulFertser | alabd: yes |
| 07:21.45 | alabd | ok |
| 07:21.51 | PaulFertser | alabd: and the bootloader |
| 07:22.20 | alabd | but command for qi is the same 2 |
| 07:22.34 | PaulFertser | alabd: same as what? |
| 07:22.54 | alabd | # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 07:23.16 | alabd | should be write so : |
| 07:23.24 | alabd | # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D qi.ubf |
| 07:24.59 | PaulFertser | alabd: no, qi should be flashed to the u-boot "partition". |
| 07:25.11 | PaulFertser | alabd: obviously not to the kernel |
| 07:25.31 | alabd | yes was in wiki sorry |
| 07:25.32 | alabd | # dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3<version>.udfu |
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| 07:28.00 | alabd | now usb cable be disconnected yes PaulFertser ? |
| 07:31.16 | PaulFertser | alabd: yes |
| 07:31.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: first boot can take considerable time. |
| 07:32.11 | alabd | yes it is booting how long ? |
| 07:33.58 | alabd | ok lanqugae page is up |
| 07:34.06 | alabd | but what was this part ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Reboot_the_FreeRunner_from_NAND |
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| 07:35.21 | alabd | PaulFertser: unfortunatley touch screen does not wrok for selecting language |
| 07:36.37 | alabd | what should be done now , have you this problme anytime ? |
| 07:36.40 | slaxxer | debian? |
| 07:36.44 | PaulFertser | alabd: does TS work at all atm? |
| 07:36.51 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: no, freshly-flashed shr-testing |
| 07:37.26 | alabd | PaulFertser: yes it has worked until flash |
| 07:37.35 | slaxxer | reboot |
| 07:38.31 | PaulFertser | alabd: i mean do you see mouse cursor, does it move when you touch the screen? |
| 07:39.29 | alabd | no |
| 07:40.13 | alabd | after reboot it is yet so slaxxer PaulFertser |
| 07:40.38 | alabd | we stop at language selection |
| 07:42.04 | PaulFertser | alabd: you should probably wait until shr users wake up. |
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| 07:43.28 | alabd | ok PaulFertser am waiting but those who join can not see issue |
| 07:43.40 | PaulFertser | alabd: you should also check shr ML archives |
| 07:43.48 | alabd | when will they come do you know them |
| 07:43.50 | slaxxer | i did opkg upgrade 2 hours ago |
| 07:44.04 | slaxxer | was going to flash |
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| 07:44.23 | alabd | and is ok now ? |
| 07:44.29 | slaxxer | yes |
| 07:44.37 | alabd | which rootfs and kernel version ? |
| 07:45.07 | slaxxer | theres 1 kernel on the site |
| 07:45.41 | slaxxer | maybe u have a bad .jffs2 file |
| 07:45.47 | alabd | this yes |
| 07:45.48 | alabd | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin |
| 07:45.54 | slaxxer | yes |
| 07:46.38 | alabd | and rootfs |
| 07:46.39 | alabd | shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 07:46.41 | alabd | used |
| 07:47.01 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.10 | slaxxer | but the 1218 image should work since its a testing image so i would redownload the file |
| 07:48.23 | slaxxer | then reinstall |
| 07:48.30 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i would suggest checking file hash instead of redownloading! |
| 07:48.35 | slaxxer | 20 minuite |
| 07:48.54 | slaxxer | md5 it |
| 07:49.29 | alabd | how to check ? for redownload should be waited until night |
| 07:49.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: aren't hashes published there on site? |
| 07:49.50 | slaxxer | md5sum? |
| 07:49.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: if not, that's a bug and should be reported. |
| 07:51.25 | slaxxer | testing images need md5sums |
| 07:52.15 | alabd | PaulFertser: was not better to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 07:52.24 | PaulFertser | alabd: wasn't |
| 07:53.07 | slaxxer | old stuff |
| 07:54.24 | slaxxer | shr is doing very well |
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| 07:55.18 | slaxxer | android is doing very well |
| 07:58.36 | alabd | android better than shr ? in which cases ? |
| 08:02.17 | alabd | which one is more stable ? which one have more free app |
| 08:05.37 | slaxxer | web browser is much better |
| 08:05.46 | alabd | which android ? |
| 08:05.55 | PaulFertser | alabd: i would take slaxxer's words with a grain of salt ;) |
| 08:06.01 | slaxxer | :) |
| 08:06.17 | slaxxer | welcome |
| 08:06.40 | slaxxer | to |
| 08:06.43 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.50 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.02 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.41 | slaxxer | even so android is working very well |
| 08:08.18 | alabd | PaulFertser: why dont you like android |
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| 08:08.25 | slaxxer | when shr gets a good web browser |
| 08:09.02 | slaxxer | same reason people on#android dont like shr |
| 08:09.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | which is? |
| 08:10.37 | slaxxer | i use shr/addroid ,therefore shr/android is better than shr/android |
| 08:11.09 | alabd | what ? |
| 08:11.58 | slaxxer | android grabs your freerunner by the neck |
| 08:14.00 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: not nearly the same reason! |
| 08:14.18 | slaxxer | ok so tell us |
| 08:14.44 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i do not like android because it's not unix-like OS. And because it needs custom patches to the kernel. |
| 08:15.20 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: because it's not POSIX-compatible and i can't use just about any program, one needs to find programs specifically written for android. |
| 08:15.52 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: because the main goal of designing android is to sell apps from the android market, it's declared openly on android's website. |
| 08:15.57 | PaulFertser | Enough for a reason, eh? |
| 08:16.10 | slaxxer | yup |
| 08:16.39 | slaxxer | marketing strategy from hell |
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| 09:06.19 | alabd | PaulFertser: how to check file hash ? |
| 09:06.51 | PaulFertser | alabd: md5sum <filename> and sha1sum <filename> |
| 09:08.13 | alabd | new SHR installed but in first booting for language setup touch screen is not ok and english language can not b selcted i this step ... any opinion ? |
| 09:09.14 | alabd | PaulFertser: |
| 09:09.15 | alabd | root@alabd:~# md5sum /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 e9b247c07adb67fe8c3812bf497d9a98 /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:10.14 | alabd | sha1sum /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 d4a26a7fa658ba1a5626fef2ea12978b21432c0e /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:10.28 | alabd | is it ok ? |
| 09:10.48 | PaulFertser | alabd: there should be a statement from SHR team if those are ok or not. |
| 09:11.33 | alabd | would you explain more ? do you mean they should check codes ? |
| 09:13.29 | Kagee | alabd: somewhere on the shr pages the md5 og sha1-sums of the files you have downloaded should be written. compare your results to those. |
| 09:16.36 | alabd | ok why it should be changed at all ? |
| 09:17.14 | Kagee | problems when you downloaded the files |
| 09:18.18 | alabd | file is here and there is not any md5 file http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 09:27.05 | alabd | PaulFertser: kagee |
| 09:27.06 | alabd | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vNC&q=md5+shr+full+eglibc+ipk+20091218+om+gta02+rootfs+jffs2+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fshr-project.org%2F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
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| 09:29.13 | Kagee | alabd: the sha1- and md5-sums you get are identical to mine |
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| 09:29.35 | alabd | thanks kagee |
| 09:30.13 | Kagee | the files are probably identical to the ones on the shr server, but they should really have put som md5-sums in a file |
| 09:30.33 | alabd | Kagee: would you check http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin also ? |
| 09:31.17 | alabd | here md5sum is 2237d1bcabe9a1a36717c99ce2c13c94 |
| 09:31.26 | alabd | and for you ? |
| 09:31.29 | alabd | Kagee: |
| 09:32.10 | Kagee | alabd: http://pastebin.com/d79c8136e |
| 09:33.33 | alabd | thanks Kagee PaulFertser: seems files are those on server and are the same what should be done now when will shr users wake up ? |
| 09:33.43 | alabd | what is their ML ? |
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| 09:37.12 | alabd | after installing new testing SHR , touch screen does not work at this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/8/8f/SHR-Setup-Language.png/200px-SHR-Setup-Language.png |
| 09:37.15 | alabd | any opinion ? |
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| 09:38.18 | Kagee | I am flashing the same image now. |
| 09:39.16 | alabd | thanks |
| 09:39.27 | alabd | PaulFertser: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D /home/alabd/Desktop/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr243+36bb5c03756268ff15b2d95a043ffb39a919ce5c.udfu |
| 09:39.34 | alabd | is the above command true ? |
| 09:39.58 | alabd | does not it need -d 0x1d50:0x5119 part ? |
| 09:40.49 | mpiechotka | When I try to connect openocd using sample configuration it states: Unknown command: daemon_startup attach (if i comment it out it complains also about "target arm920t little reset_run 0 arm920t" "working_area 0 0x200000 0x4000 backup" and "run_and_halt_time 0 5000"). What's wrong |
| 09:40.54 | alabd | of course problem is further than QI |
| 09:42.09 | Kagee | alabd: -d spesifies what device you want to flash. if "dfu-util --list" only list one device (while phone is connected and i flash-mode) you do not need -d <something> |
| 09:43.17 | alabd | thanks ok |
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| 09:43.50 | alabd | humble am waiting for your flash Kagee do you flash the same version in the same method from usb yeah ? |
| 09:44.00 | Kagee | yes |
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| 09:59.28 | PaulFertser | TAsn: ping |
| 10:04.56 | badcloud | what do I need to include in /etc/profile so that configure will find the C compiler in $PATH? I insalled the gcc package |
| 10:05.01 | badcloud | shr-testing |
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| 10:15.40 | alabd | Kagee: is it ok ? |
| 10:15.42 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i guess you lack actual c compiler. |
| 10:16.05 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i remember some other package was needed, probably "cpp" with its dependencies. |
| 10:16.10 | badcloud | I found gcc in /usr/lib and /usr/libexec |
| 10:16.32 | badcloud | but I suspect neither are binaries |
| 10:17.10 | Kagee | alabd: it won't boot, but that might be a problem with my freerunner |
| 10:17.45 | alabd | Kagee: what is your FR version ? Kagee |
| 10:17.57 | alabd | have you flashed qi ? |
| 10:18.05 | Kagee | yes, i have qi |
| 10:18.33 | alabd | A5 ?6? 7 ? |
| 10:18.58 | badcloud | PaulFertser, Package cpp (4.4.2-r0.1.4) installed in root is up to date |
| 10:19.16 | alabd | A5 ?6? 7 ? Kagee |
| 10:19.26 | Kagee | alabd: hmm, how do i find out? i've never needed to know |
| 10:20.25 | alabd | maybe PaulFertser knows |
| 10:20.50 | alabd | one way see what saler sold you |
| 10:22.27 | Kagee | alabd: looks like you need to actually boot the phone to find the hardware revision, that's kind of a problem |
| 10:23.30 | alabd | how about that DATE CODE under battery ? |
| 10:23.51 | alabd | or IMEI or S/N |
| 10:23.54 | Kagee | 20080721 |
| 10:24.08 | Kagee | put, i've gotta go, good luck |
| 10:24.13 | alabd | this is 20091024 |
| 10:24.36 | alabd | booted Kagee ? |
| 10:25.27 | Kagee | alabd: no boot. but that is problably my phone, as i has not been working the last days. |
| 10:26.16 | alabd | ok and your FR was ok with the same SHR version upgarded from opkg Kagee ? |
| 10:26.26 | alabd | with the same kernel and the same rootfs |
| 10:27.13 | Kagee | the last sucsessful boot i have had was shr back in october |
| 10:27.19 | Kagee | now i have to go |
| 10:27.50 | PaulFertser | alabd: btw, your phone apparently booted |
| 10:27.59 | badcloud | PaulFertser, any ideas? |
| 10:28.00 | PaulFertser | alabd: so it's different to what Kagee sees. |
| 10:28.39 | alabd | thanks kagee |
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| 10:29.49 | PaulFertser | badcloud: what does gcc -v show? And what does it show when you try to compile anything? |
| 10:30.41 | PaulFertser | badcloud: if you lack the gcc executable, there should be some other gcc package you need to install... I remember doing that once but i can't tell the package name... |
| 10:31.07 | badcloud | I got it, package gcc-symlinks was needed |
| 10:31.10 | badcloud | :P |
| 10:31.14 | alabd | PaulFertser: what is shr ml ? where is the best place to explain problem , maybe then should be waited if no result another shr version should be tested |
| 10:33.28 | PaulFertser | alabd: shr mailing list is mentioned at shr-project.org |
| 10:33.51 | PaulFertser | alabd: you should try to search for a similar problem there. |
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| 10:50.00 | alabd | yes thanks PaulFertser Kagee |
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| 11:59.07 | alfie | quick question. when going into suspend mode, do we really need to suspend since it's an ARM? couldn't we just turn off non-essential interrupts and do something like 'xrandr --output X --off'? |
| 11:59.46 | alfie | that way, coming back up is a quick 'xrandr --output X --mode Y' |
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| 12:03.41 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 12:03.54 | SpeedEvil | Power use when suspended is very non-zero alas. |
| 12:04.46 | ojw | SHR contacts page doesn't show new contacts until you close and reopen it? and adding a contact you have to use little keyboard not big dialer? |
| 12:05.25 | alfie | but power use when ignoring interrupts and video off with an ARM should be the same as syspended. or am I wrong? |
| 12:06.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:06.17 | alfie | what's drawing the power then? |
| 12:06.28 | SpeedEvil | Leakage. |
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| 12:07.16 | alfie | but wouldn't that be the same leakage that happens within suspend? |
| 12:07.59 | SpeedEvil | no - in that mode, the power to more elements of the CPU are turned off |
| 12:10.52 | alfie | damn |
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| 12:14.50 | PaulFertser | arg0_: hd |
| 12:15.13 | PaulFertser | Oh my typing skills, where are they |
| 12:15.31 | PaulFertser | alfie should have read about zero-clock technology of omaps. |
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| 12:22.48 | nomeata | Hi. Am I right that SHR does not yet support SMS delivery confirmations? |
| 12:23.55 | PaulFertser | nomeata: i think not exactly |
| 12:24.10 | PaulFertser | nomeata: i think underlying support in FSO is implemented properly. |
| 12:24.20 | nomeata | PaulFertser: At least I think I should have gotten one by now, if it were enabled... |
| 12:24.22 | PaulFertser | nomeata: fyi it's called message receipts. |
| 12:24.49 | PaulFertser | nomeata: quite possibly shr messages do not request the receipt when sending, just that. |
| 12:25.00 | nomeata | Yes, thatâs what I mean. |
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| 12:48.12 | badcloud | PaulFertser, and clue where 'as' (assembler) is installed from? |
| 12:48.15 | badcloud | *any |
| 12:48.17 | PaulFertser | badcloud: binutils |
| 12:48.25 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:48.28 | PaulFertser | welcome |
| 12:49.08 | badcloud | I hope this will be the end of it and I can start compiling something... |
| 13:01.44 | badcloud | arrrg, no libc_nonshared.a |
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| 13:09.58 | badcloud | hate to bother again, PaulFertser |
| 13:12.54 | PaulFertser | badcloud: np |
| 13:13.00 | PaulFertser | badcloud: libc-dev |
| 13:13.04 | PaulFertser | I guess |
| 13:14.00 | badcloud | how'd you find out? is there some opkg command? |
| 13:14.05 | badcloud | thanks again, btw |
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| 13:17.01 | PaulFertser | badcloud: it's, like, obvious that to compile using libc you need some dev files for it :) |
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| 13:35.49 | badcloud | could anyone give me libc_nonshared.a for neo arm from cross env?could anyone give me libc_nonshared.a for neo arm from cross env? |
| 13:36.07 | badcloud | PaulFertser, I guess not obvious to me ;) |
| 13:36.18 | badcloud | PaulFertser, I just can't find the right package |
| 13:51.05 | PaulFertser | badcloud: are you sure you have libc6-dev installed? |
| 13:51.21 | badcloud | yup |
| 13:51.26 | badcloud | and libc6 |
| 13:51.42 | badcloud | , linux-libc-headers-dev |
| 13:51.54 | badcloud | god knows what else that has to do with libc |
| 14:00.05 | badcloud | brb |
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| 14:31.27 | tim_abell | can anyone help me troubleshoot omnewrotate? if it's off and i suspend, when i wake the phone up the process magically reappears |
| 14:31.55 | tim_abell | very annoying as it makes the buttons jump around when i'm trying to answer a call |
| 14:32.37 | tim_abell | i tried using the init.d script from the comments on http://www.opkg.org/package_235.html but it hasn't helped |
| 14:32.56 | tim_abell | i can't begin to guess how the program gets run again |
| 14:36.28 | tim_abell | nrgh |
| 14:36.51 | tim_abell | even if i kill the process, it still comes back after a suspend / unsuspend |
| 14:37.03 | tim_abell | it's like some kind of voodoo |
| 14:37.56 | tim_abell | gah |
| 14:38.19 | tim_abell | can anyone tell me what it is that re-runs process on wakeup? |
| 14:39.48 | mickeyl|flu | to my knowledge there is no such thing |
| 14:40.03 | mickeyl|flu | but i'm not familiar with omnewrotate |
| 14:41.12 | rozzin | tim_abell: I think there's a line in... /etc/default/omnewrotate? |
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| 14:43.24 | rozzin | tim_abell: /etc/default/omnewrotate.conf |
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| 14:45.32 | rozzin | tim_abell: The scripts that use that, which run on suspend and resume, are under /etc/apm. |
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| 14:48.01 | alabd | Hi , anyone has used SHR with A7 ? |
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| 14:51.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: it doesn't matter whether its a7 or a6 or even a5 for a distro. |
| 14:52.30 | alabd | hi PaulFertser it does cause of we say Kagee with his phone has problem with the same version |
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| 14:52.47 | alabd | saw* |
| 14:53.34 | alabd | he used the same SHR with his FR but it did not boot at all |
| 14:54.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: it doesn't mean anything. |
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| 14:54.44 | alabd | maybe |
| 14:57.30 | PaulFertser | alabd: shr devs say you should see no cursor and that language selection dialog should work. |
| 14:58.10 | alabd | PaulFertser: but it does not work |
| 14:58.16 | alabd | selection does not act |
| 14:58.40 | alabd | maybe there is problem with that version of rootfs |
| 14:58.52 | PaulFertser | alabd: probably |
| 14:59.29 | alabd | and maybe drier of touch pad is not ok |
| 14:59.34 | alabd | driver* |
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| 15:00.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: i doubt that... |
| 15:01.01 | alabd | why ? drivers are in kernel or in rootfs ? |
| 15:02.40 | PaulFertser | alabd: TS driver is in kernel. |
| 15:02.53 | PaulFertser | alabd: but it requires some userspace calibration sometimes. |
| 15:04.04 | alabd | How ? |
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| 15:06.24 | PaulFertser | alabd: playaa says he reported something at #openmoko-cdevel, check the logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/channel |
| 15:09.40 | tim_abell | thanks rozzin (even though you've left), /etc/default and /etc/apm were the key to the problem |
| 15:10.12 | tim_abell | i wonder why whoever set up omnewrotate decided to kill/recreate it on suspend resume |
| 15:10.28 | tim_abell | chmod -x on those scripts made it behave as one would expect |
| 15:13.54 | tim_abell | root@om-gta02 /etc/apm $ chmod -x resume.d/89omnewrotate-resume suspend.d/11omne |
| 15:13.54 | tim_abell | wrotate-suspend |
| 15:15.59 | alabd | playya PaulFertser the same problem which day you reported |
| 15:18.55 | alabd | PaulFertser: can not playya chat in english ? which date he has wrote something ... ? |
| 15:19.05 | PaulFertser | alabd: lol, he can for sure |
| 15:19.22 | PaulFertser | alabd: just search the logs for the last days for his nick, he didn't talk much. |
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| 15:31.10 | alabd | PaulFertser: something here but not related http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko-cdevel/20091227.html.gz |
| 15:34.59 | alabd | There was not anything related from 15 dec PaulFertser |
| 15:35.16 | alabd | anyway how to calibrate PaulFertser |
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| 15:46.47 | SpeedEvil | run PaulFertser_calibrate ? |
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| 15:47.49 | alabd | hi SpeedEvil |
| 15:48.33 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - no direct idea. |
| 15:49.41 | alabd | nop |
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| 15:55.44 | mickeyl|flu | run ts_calibrate |
| 15:55.51 | mickeyl|flu | or the X equivalent |
| 15:55.59 | mickeyl|flu | xtscal iirc |
| 15:56.50 | slaxxer | alabd did u get shr to work? |
| 15:59.05 | alabd | hi slaxxer |
| 15:59.13 | alabd | thanks mickeyl|flu |
| 15:59.22 | alabd | slaxxer: how to ssh in fr |
| 15:59.38 | panicking | ssh |
| 15:59.48 | panicking | ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 16:00.02 | alabd | thanks panicking |
| 16:00.14 | alabd | meas via usb ? or BT ? |
| 16:00.39 | panicking | if the kernel has the eth gadget active |
| 16:00.43 | panicking | you use usb |
| 16:00.50 | panicking | to connect |
| 16:00.58 | panicking | but you must setup network on your host |
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| 16:01.43 | alabd | after connecting with cable what should be dome panicking |
| 16:02.19 | alabd | SHR has problem and is not loaded completely |
| 16:02.51 | panicking | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 16:03.06 | tim_abell | ok, hopefully my last post upgrade issue; (shr-t) gps isn't working. no idea why. can anyone help me troubleshoot? not sure where to start |
| 16:03.23 | tim_abell | tango shows no satellites etc (0/0/0 in status) |
| 16:03.40 | tim_abell | settings/gps set to manual/on |
| 16:03.49 | panicking | what kernel revision do you use? |
| 16:03.53 | panicking | 2.6.29 |
| 16:03.55 | panicking | or 2.6.32 |
| 16:03.56 | alabd | thanks |
| 16:04.04 | tim_abell | "satellite details" is empty |
| 16:04.04 | panicking | can be a problem with the path |
| 16:04.20 | alabd | panicking: where is 2.6.32 link ? |
| 16:04.32 | tim_abell | fso-gpsd appears to be running |
| 16:04.39 | tim_abell | (it's in ps -A anyway) |
| 16:04.48 | panicking | yes but it open a serial device |
| 16:04.53 | panicking | that maybe sent nothing |
| 16:05.36 | alabd | PaulFertser: maybe that works with 2.6.32 ? but here 2.6.29 exists only http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
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| 16:06.15 | panicking | I don't know what is the correct kernel of shr |
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| 16:10.10 | alabd | panicking: what does it mean while power bottun is RED ? |
| 16:10.53 | alabd | buttun |
| 16:11.13 | alabd | *button |
| 16:11.59 | panicking | android |
| 16:12.00 | panicking | ? |
| 16:13.12 | alabd | no FR |
| 16:13.20 | alabd | shr |
| 16:15.19 | tim_abell | tries removing agps data and rebooting |
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| 16:26.39 | alabd | PaulFertser: dfu-util -l does not show FR ID now |
| 16:27.09 | alabd | does ssh into FR requires os on FR ? |
| 16:28.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 16:35.13 | alabd | but pc unlike today morning does not detect FR as a usb device after connecting cable , maybe this is also cause of flashiing new shr ? |
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| 16:49.34 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.09 | TAsn | PaulFertser, pong. |
| 17:00.33 | alabd | now flashing is impossible ,any opinion ? |
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| 17:03.11 | gena2x | alabd: replug usb |
| 17:03.29 | gena2x | alabd:reboot fr |
| 17:03.45 | gena2x | alabd: reload usb module on host |
| 17:04.24 | gena2x | alabd: what else do you expect to hear? |
| 17:05.31 | alabd | gena2x: on host usb is ok other devices work ... reboot fr no result also relug ... |
| 17:05.32 | tim_abell | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3875d690e19c3cc2a1cd03c44010cf7b.png help! |
| 17:05.55 | tim_abell | what could be wrong? |
| 17:06.21 | gena2x | tim_abell: Go to street, wait for 5 mins. |
| 17:06.35 | gena2x | tim_abell: Don't move |
| 17:06.36 | tim_abell | it's a bit chilly here! :) |
| 17:06.41 | tim_abell | 1.8 dec C |
| 17:07.00 | gena2x | tim_abell: wear something appropriate ;) |
| 17:07.09 | tim_abell | puts on puffa jacket |
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| 17:07.49 | gena2x | tim_abell: we have -10 and 1 meter of show ;) |
| 17:08.32 | gena2x | tim_abell:Oh, and don't let it suspend ;) |
| 17:09.28 | gena2x | alabd: for me, dfu-util glitches sometimes. I don't know why - just sometimes it is ok, sometimes not. |
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| 17:13.46 | alabd | can it be occured when SIM in not plugined |
| 17:13.49 | alabd | gena2x: |
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| 17:14.52 | gena2x | alabd: i think dfu-util is not related to sim |
| 17:15.58 | alabd | and dmesg on PC says http://pastebin.com/m230eca14 |
| 17:20.21 | gena2x | alabd: Did it work for you before? |
| 17:21.00 | gena2x | alabd: low-speed? strange |
| 17:21.25 | alabd | yea today morning for first time has been flashed |
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| 17:25.46 | gena2x | alabd: this do not look like phone problem. Quick googling: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797789 |
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| 17:30.34 | alabd | gena2x: solved it was cause of that usb cable was connected before turning fr on |
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| 17:32.26 | alabd | ssh needs os on FR , and you know SHR is not ok , now how to know modules work or not , despite while SHR boots shows lines that 2.6.24 module is not detected or some thing like this |
| 17:37.56 | alabd | should necessarily this step be done before installing shr # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? |
| 17:38.05 | alabd | Problem : After installing SHR (With this rootfs ver. ) on NAND , SHR has been booted until this language setup page , but touch screen does not detect pen and language can not be selected ; touch screen is disabled . |
| 17:42.15 | gena2x | ping |
| 17:42.21 | gena2x | pong |
| 17:43.36 | gena2x | alabd: I meant modules on host. Inserting cable before turning fr should be ok. |
| 17:44.29 | gena2x | alabd: just flash appropriate kernel. |
| 17:45.03 | gena2x | alabd: I think it should just have same date as shr image |
| 17:46.07 | gena2x | alabd: this can be autoupdated later. I saw shr was flashing kernel on opkg upgrade. |
| 17:47.58 | alabd | yes humble know that , does this command extract tarball intor FR ? # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? |
| 17:48.04 | alabd | gena2x: |
| 17:50.06 | gena2x | alabd: tar xzvf <file name> |
| 17:51.19 | gena2x | alabd: modules should be in /lib/modules/<version> |
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| 17:55.16 | alabd | what does this mean , does it mean the file didnot flashed?>>> Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
| 17:58.30 | gena2x | alabd: You should flash 2 appopriate images to boot shr - rootfs and kernel. After that, if you want to change kernel, you should add appropriate modules mu going to FR by ssh and flahsing new kernel after that. |
| 17:58.48 | gena2x | alabd: s/mu/by/ |
| 17:59.22 | gena2x | alabd: But start with flashing right images. |
| 18:02.23 | alabd | ok image and kernel is ok |
| 18:02.33 | alabd | what does this command do ? # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? |
| 18:03.08 | gena2x | alabd: it extracts file modules... to / |
| 18:03.40 | gena2x | alabd: I guess |
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| 18:04.43 | alabd | dir / of FR ? |
| 18:04.59 | gena2x | alabd: of where you shell is. |
| 18:05.19 | alabd | no shell is terminal on host |
| 18:05.31 | alabd | but there is not such folder on / of host |
| 18:05.32 | gena2x | alabd: if you gone to fs by ssh, this will be fr. if you didnt this will be your host. |
| 18:05.44 | gena2x | alabd: s/fs/fr/ |
| 18:06.50 | gena2x | alabd: but you have no need to extract modules as they should be already on rootfs |
| 18:07.41 | alabd | gena2x: yes |
| 18:07.58 | alabd | now SHR is ok and loaded and works PaulFertser |
| 18:08.12 | alabd | but what are thoe modules for gena2x ? |
| 18:08.12 | gena2x | have fun ;) |
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| 18:09.00 | gena2x | alabd: if you want to change kernel, you should also provide modules matching new kernel. |
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| 18:09.34 | alabd | gena2x: thanks how GPS works ? |
| 18:09.58 | alabd | tangoGPS app just shows a white screen |
| 18:10.18 | gena2x | alabd: You should have maps. |
| 18:10.27 | gena2x | alabd: And gps signal. |
| 18:10.37 | alabd | gps signal ? |
| 18:10.56 | SpeedEvil | Also - some areas of the map are regrettably empty on openstreetmaps. |
| 18:11.07 | SpeedEvil | Check that ytou have zoomed out enough. |
| 18:11.10 | gena2x | gena2x: For signal go to street for 5 minutes and don't move |
| 18:11.35 | alabd | at all is there any signal at asia |
| 18:11.51 | gena2x | alabd: It's everywhere on earth. |
| 18:12.06 | alabd | ok so just we need maps |
| 18:12.23 | alabd | where should be downloaded and how to send on FR ? |
| 18:12.30 | gena2x | alabd: Expect some places where USA decided that should have no signal |
| 18:12.55 | alabd | gena2x: e.g where is iran in the list ? |
| 18:13.07 | gena2x | alabd: I mean gps may be turned off because of some military decision. |
| 18:13.17 | alabd | ok |
| 18:13.29 | alabd | and maps should be downloaded from FR only ? |
| 18:13.42 | gena2x | alabd: I've heard of this, but never face that issue. |
| 18:14.03 | gena2x | alabd: they must be downloaded TO fr. |
| 18:14.35 | alabd | you mean FR should be connected to internet |
| 18:14.44 | alabd | and it can be connected to pc |
| 18:14.52 | alabd | and uses pc internet |
| 18:15.00 | gena2x | alabd: go for signal, return back with you place, connect fr to usb, provide proper internel to fr throught usb (check by ping) |
| 18:15.27 | gena2x | alabd: use tangogps 'download' function to download maps while you connected to pc |
| 18:15.44 | gena2x | alabd: they will be cached forether on you FR. |
| 18:15.58 | alabd | how exactly fr can use internet pc via usb , |
| 18:16.12 | alabd | after cable connecting what should be done |
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| 18:16.53 | gena2x | alabd: you should setup two things - IP and DNS. |
| 18:17.24 | gena2x | alabd: oh... this is long thing... |
| 18:18.05 | alabd | gena2x: thanks is there any manual for that ? |
| 18:18.25 | gena2x | alabd: without details: simpilest way is to setup SNAT on your pc |
| 18:18.48 | gena2x | alabd: i mean 'host' talking about 'pc' |
| 18:19.16 | alabd | after setting ip and dns on host what should be done |
| 18:19.36 | alabd | gena2x: here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 18:19.50 | alabd | should be done yes |
| 18:19.59 | alabd | thanks |
| 18:20.19 | alabd | humble will read it now |
| 18:20.20 | gena2x | gena2x: Yes, something like this. |
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| 18:32.49 | alabd | gena2x: does not it matter if when shr is loaded cable usb connect into fr ? |
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| 18:34.09 | gena2x | alabd: didn't understand your question, rephrase |
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| 18:35.03 | alabd | shr is booted |
| 18:36.01 | alabd | does not it matter if usb cable pluged in fr |
| 18:36.16 | gena2x | alabd. Matter for that? |
| 18:36.47 | alabd | hardware |
| 18:36.54 | alabd | when phone is one |
| 18:37.04 | alabd | usb cable connects to it |
| 18:37.26 | gena2x | alabd: And what's the problem? |
| 18:37.56 | alabd | hardware hurt ? |
| 18:38.14 | gena2x | alabd: connected = charging + connection, not connected = no no charging, no tpc connection. |
| 18:38.24 | gena2x | s/tpc/tcp/ |
| 18:39.20 | gena2x | alabd: USB is hotplug. you might connect or disconnect at any moment. |
| 18:39.46 | gena2x | alabd: any usb device. by design. |
| 18:40.12 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.12 | groszek | btw. when I started flashing, is the phone charged, or powered from usb or only battery is used untill full os is ran? |
| 18:40.29 | rhkfin | upgrades his shr-testing.. |
| 18:43.15 | gena2x | groszek: this is not related to 'flashing'. it depends on uboot settings. i think it's always 'charging' at 100mA. |
| 18:43.26 | gena2x | alabd: have fun |
| 18:44.11 | groszek | mhm ok |
| 18:44.16 | alabd | thanks |
| 18:44.25 | alabd | thanks gena2x |
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| 18:47.59 | rhkfin | done.. |
| 18:48.05 | rhkfin | that didn't take long.. |
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| 18:49.13 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.33 | gena2x | alabd: it might be not usb0, check you dmesg |
| 18:53.26 | alabd | gena2x: eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:a6:a6 |
| 18:53.42 | gena2x | alabd: so, it is eth1 in your case |
| 18:57.01 | alabd | gena2x: what is password? |
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| 18:57.08 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 18:57.13 | alabd | hi |
| 18:57.21 | meoblast001 | does Openmoko take paypal? |
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| 18:57.36 | rhkfin | meoblast001: the phone or the company or the project or ..? |
| 18:57.46 | meoblast001 | the company |
| 18:58.18 | rhkfin | meoblast001: to support or to buy a phone? |
| 18:58.24 | rhkfin | However, I'd say no it doesn't. |
| 18:58.47 | gena2x | alabd: oh, latest shr switched to openssh with root login disabled. |
| 18:58.59 | meoblast001 | to buy the phone |
| 18:59.01 | meoblast001 | dang it |
| 18:59.03 | alabd | what does it mean ? gena2x |
| 18:59.05 | meoblast001 | looks like i'm not buying |
| 18:59.07 | rhkfin | meoblast001: to buy a phone, see tuxbrain.com for example |
| 18:59.32 | rhkfin | meoblast001: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
| 18:59.34 | gena2x | alabd: I mean last time I had shr I were unable to login with ssh |
| 19:00.02 | rhkfin | meoblast001: you want to have an A7 version (propably with #1024 -fix applied) |
| 19:00.08 | gena2x | alabd: but that were after upgrade not fresh install. |
| 19:00.30 | meoblast001 | don't all A7s have that applied? |
| 19:00.31 | alabd | gena2x: it wants password |
| 19:00.41 | rhkfin | meoblast001: no |
| 19:00.41 | gena2x | alabd: Last time it was empty. |
| 19:00.59 | gena2x | alabd: So, you do ssh root@192.168.0.220 |
| 19:01.05 | rhkfin | meoblast001: A7 have the buzz fix applied, not the "1024, as far as I know. Not sure though.. |
| 19:01.08 | alabd | yes |
| 19:01.09 | meoblast001 | found an error on that page |
| 19:01.12 | gena2x | alabd and press enter |
| 19:01.12 | meoblast001 | "Candada" |
| 19:01.20 | rhkfin | meoblast001: feel free to fix it :) |
| 19:01.32 | alabd | no is not empty gena2x wait |
| 19:01.48 | meoblast001 | these ones are more expensive :( |
| 19:01.51 | meoblast001 | i'm not interested |
| 19:02.17 | gena2x | alabd: oh, also they changed it as far as i can recall. don't know. |
| 19:03.04 | gena2x | alabd: just keep in mind that if you can't login that may not only mean you have wrong password, but also have login disabled. |
| 19:03.50 | alabd | now passwd shoud e tested |
| 19:04.04 | alabd | gena2x: how to backslash ? |
| 19:04.46 | alabd | on fr |
| 19:04.48 | gena2x | alabd: I have no shr near me... |
| 19:07.52 | alabd | how to backslash in SHR ? |
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| 19:12.45 | alabd | how to write passwd in terminal on shr |
| 19:13.05 | groszek | 'passwd' ? |
| 19:13.19 | groszek | if you mean you can't see your typing after that, just type your password and enter |
| 19:14.01 | alabd | no in terminal |
| 19:14.04 | alabd | in fr |
| 19:14.13 | alabd | can not write passwd |
| 19:15.29 | groszek | why not? |
| 19:15.45 | alabd | ok it is possible with default keyboard |
| 19:16.28 | tim_abell | gena2x: you are correct :) windowsill was sufficient, gps is now alive and kicking |
| 19:17.39 | gena2x | tim_abell: I just had same problem :) |
| 19:17.58 | tim_abell | maybe the USA are about to invade woodley |
| 19:19.40 | gena2x | tim_abell: Yes, this is most common reason why GPS is not working on FR |
| 19:21.43 | tim_abell | hurrah, i now have everything working again under shr-testing |
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| 19:28.43 | ajafo | hi |
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| 20:08.18 | alabd | PC is connected to FR via usb and ssh works |
| 20:08.23 | alabd | now how to use pc internet on FR ? |
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| 20:09.57 | mickeyl|flu | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables |
| 20:16.57 | meoblast001 | rhkfin: do you think if i email the company, they will let me pay using paypal? |
| 20:17.06 | meoblast001 | all the other retailers have at least a 50 dollar higher price tag |
| 20:19.32 | rhkfin | meoblast001: try, but I don't think so.. |
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| 20:23.56 | ajafo | got some question is there any distribution which is useable instead shr or qtmoko? i saw distributions on wiki and tried android/novento but i see that all distributions(shr and qtmoko too) has big problem with basic functionality mean call/answer and send/receive sms |
| 20:26.54 | mickeyl|flu | no idea about QtMoko, but SHR-U seems to work fine for lots of people |
| 20:28.30 | groszek | I just installed 'original' om2009 and it's clean, easy, working and so far the fastest ... |
| 20:29.58 | ajafo | with shr i've simple problem somtimes when sby call to me i've no screen with answer button but only desktop with icons |
| 20:31.14 | ajafo | groszek: good hint ;) maybe it's good idea :) |
| 20:31.50 | groszek | it just have _no software_ installed, there is only terminal and paroli in illume screen |
| 20:32.00 | groszek | so first thing to do is installing everything =] |
| 20:32.14 | groszek | but paroli looks and works great |
| 20:33.24 | ajafo | hmm looks simple |
| 20:34.15 | ajafo | is it only fingers usable? (call/answer/searching contacts?) |
| 20:36.28 | PaulFertser | TAsn: i think SHR project should provide hashes for all the images. |
| 20:36.36 | PaulFertser | TAsn: so people can check if the download is correct. |
| 20:36.48 | TAsn | PaulFertser, I agree. |
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| 20:36.52 | TAsn | :P |
| 20:37.02 | TAsn | Although, I have to admit, I never had a case of a bad download :P |
| 20:37.21 | TAsn | Never quite got it, as TCP should take care of faulty packets |
| 20:37.23 | TAsn | doesn't it? |
| 20:37.29 | TAsn | :p |
| 20:37.46 | PaulFertser | TAsn: tell that to mwester, muhahaha |
| 20:37.51 | TAsn | :P |
| 20:38.03 | TAsn | No, for real, though, never got how is that even possible :P |
| 20:38.04 | PaulFertser | TAsn: he knows some horrifying stories. |
| 20:38.15 | TAsn | well, he's afk :| |
| 20:38.40 | TAsn | But it's a sec to add (I assume) |
| 20:38.58 | TAsn | we can easily write a simple script to do it. (if there isn't something like that already) |
| 20:39.10 | max_posedon | I have funny shr bug |
| 20:39.29 | max_posedon | sometimes phone boots so slow, that its become suspended before registered to gsm |
| 20:39.39 | TAsn | max_posedon, that's not a funny bug |
| 20:39.42 | TAsn | it happens all the time ;( |
| 20:39.47 | TAsn | and it's very unfortunate ;( |
| 20:40.04 | TAsn | we haven't decided on a wanted behavior yet. |
| 20:40.16 | TAsn | as it's not as easy to take care of as you might think. |
| 20:40.19 | max_posedon | can't it be fixed via simple "fsoraw -r CPU sleep 120" as some init script? |
| 20:40.23 | TAsn | because you don't want to prevent suspension |
| 20:40.32 | TAsn | max_posedon, lol, that's a nice hack :P |
| 20:42.24 | max_posedon | so, I hope you can easy add it soon |
| 20:43.39 | TAsn | we should think about it. |
| 20:43.42 | TAsn | we really should. |
| 20:43.49 | TAsn | I'm a bit preoccupied atm |
| 20:43.54 | TAsn | but we will. |
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| 20:52.01 | gena2x | ajafo: I installed hackable:1 few days ago, it is very nice |
| 20:52.51 | gena2x | ajafo: Fast, reliable, debian-based, and looks very nice with new(?) theme. |
| 20:53.47 | ajafo | gena2x: ok thx, i'll try it for a minute ;) |
| 20:54.54 | ajafo | i'm searching some distribution with basic functionality(to use it every day) to join with little developing ;) |
| 20:55.55 | gena2x | ajafo: I guess people from hackable:1 have exactly that tagret - distribution easy for devepment |
| 20:56.54 | gena2x | ajafo: Where you have no need to recompile whole wolrd just to start development, where you have all things ready... |
| 20:57.31 | gena2x | ajafo: I've noticed few bug. |
| 20:57.51 | ajafo | gena2x: bugs in hackable? |
| 20:57.53 | gena2x | ajafo: only important one is sound quality. |
| 20:58.21 | ajafo | gena2x: not so good :/ |
| 20:58.29 | gena2x | ajafo: But that guys wrote on their site they sre going to fso. |
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| 20:59.02 | gena2x | ajafo: Otherwise I am happy with it. |
| 20:59.05 | ajafo | gena2x: on qtmoko i saw shr-way too |
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| 20:59.54 | gena2x | ajafo:qtmoko is debian too, not OE. |
| 21:00.14 | gena2x | ajafo: but sic, it's on framebuffer :) |
| 21:00.34 | ajafo | gena2x: true |
| 21:01.52 | ajafo | gena2x: for now qtmoko is most usable for me but i searching sthg better ;) |
| 21:02.02 | TAsn | ajafo, qtmoko is ok |
| 21:02.07 | TAsn | shr is mostly usable |
| 21:02.12 | TAsn | :P |
| 21:02.27 | TAsn | (I use it all the time for a couple of months now, but I'm aware of the flaws) |
| 21:02.27 | ajafo | TAsn: shr have 2 problems |
| 21:02.38 | TAsn | *has |
| 21:02.42 | gena2x | TAsn: In fact, all shr, qtmoko and hackable:1 are very usable |
| 21:02.44 | TAsn | which are? |
| 21:02.51 | TAsn | gena2x, I agree. |
| 21:02.52 | ajafo | TAsn: yes sorry for my English :) |
| 21:03.11 | ajafo | TAsn: somtimes when sby call to me i've no screen with answer button but only desktop with icons |
| 21:03.21 | TAsn | ajafo, no need to sorry, my english is far from perfect, I corrected you for mutual improvement |
| 21:03.28 | TAsn | I wish people will correct me more :P |
| 21:03.36 | TAsn | ajafo, what version? never saw this. |
| 21:03.45 | TAsn | actually, h:1 is the least usable actually. |
| 21:03.55 | TAsn | it has many annoying issues from what I have seen. |
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| 21:04.11 | gena2x | TAsn: have you tried last version? |
| 21:04.21 | TAsn | week old one? |
| 21:04.22 | TAsn | no. |
| 21:04.40 | gena2x | TAsn: I've found no issue where. |
| 21:05.00 | gena2x | TAsn: which you had? |
| 21:05.06 | ajafo | TAsn: and second one it's last calls etc. in qtmoko i've got it at call menu in shr i need to search in phone log |
| 21:05.07 | TAsn | can't remember atm. |
| 21:05.24 | TAsn | ajafo, I don't get why people like it in the same app :P |
| 21:05.29 | TAsn | but we'll add it. |
| 21:05.30 | gena2x | TAsn: they ever did a setting application |
| 21:05.41 | TAsn | or actually, just make a reasonable phonelog app |
| 21:05.47 | TAsn | gena2x, I know. |
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| 21:06.00 | TAsn | gena2x, I'm keeping track. |
| 21:06.13 | TAsn | anyhow, |
| 21:06.14 | TAsn | I'm off. |
| 21:08.02 | ajafo | TAsn: second "bug" involves only comfort of usability but problem with answer button disqalify this distribution |
| 21:08.16 | TAsn | ajafo, again, what version? |
| 21:09.00 | TAsn | anyhow, ciao. |
| 21:09.01 | ajafo | TAsn: last time i tried shr - 2009-11-26 |
| 21:09.08 | TAsn | psshhh old. |
| 21:09.10 | TAsn | :P |
| 21:09.19 | ajafo | :P |
| 21:09.19 | TAsn | try the *full* latest image. |
| 21:09.27 | TAsn | I'm not kidding, it's pretty old. |
| 21:09.32 | TAsn | and you probably got a buggy image. |
| 21:09.38 | TAsn | lastest full should work. |
| 21:09.41 | TAsn | latest* |
| 21:09.49 | gena2x | ajafo: kernel with fifo patch ;) |
| 21:09.54 | ajafo | i tried few earlier versions too |
| 21:09.55 | TAsn | of course, opkg upgrade (after you turn swap on) |
| 21:10.11 | TAsn | ajafo, and you had this issue in all of them? |
| 21:10.17 | ajafo | TAsn: yes |
| 21:10.21 | TAsn | why didn't you open a ticket then? :P |
| 21:10.27 | TAsn | again, never heard of it. |
| 21:11.54 | ajafo | TAsn: i bought phone and i tried shr first, saw the problem, so tried other distro and other... and again shr |
| 21:12.11 | ajafo | then i asked here and sby told me that it's known bug |
| 21:12.21 | TAsn | i c. |
| 21:12.30 | TAsn | you got a guilt free pass this time :P |
| 21:12.36 | ajafo | :PP |
| 21:12.48 | TAsn | OH |
| 21:13.01 | TAsn | I know what who ever told you that meant. |
| 21:13.08 | TAsn | there's an issue with |
| 21:13.09 | TAsn | x11-16 |
| 21:13.21 | TAsn | but it's also fixed (workedaround) already. |
| 21:13.23 | TAsn | :P |
| 21:13.52 | TAsn | anyhow, |
| 21:13.54 | TAsn | ciao. |
| 21:14.01 | TAsn | for real now. |
| 21:15.18 | ajafo | btw. this one should working: shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 21:15.52 | ajafo | TAsn: thx bye |
| 21:16.26 | TAsn | no idea |
| 21:16.36 | gena2x | strange, i thought x11-16 buried long time ago. |
| 21:16.36 | TAsn | I'm not part of the non-existent QA team :P |
| 21:16.42 | TAsn | gena2x, it was |
| 21:16.48 | TAsn | buried as BAD |
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| 21:16.55 | gena2x | now it was revived? |
| 21:16.56 | TAsn | but was workedaround only a month or so |
| 21:16.59 | TAsn | ago |
| 21:17.02 | TAsn | iirc. |
| 21:17.12 | TAsn | it should not be used at all though. |
| 21:17.13 | TAsn | ciao. |
| 21:17.22 | TAsn | ffs I'm not coming back this time :) |
| 21:17.58 | gena2x | i can recall rasterman blame it... and noone wanted to support it... |
| 21:18.21 | gena2x | and 16bit + alpha storage |
| 21:18.31 | gena2x | horrible stories. |
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| 21:58.09 | PaulFertser | tjikkun: prepare for ban |
| 21:58.26 | tomcatek | hehe |
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| 22:00.30 | PaulFertser | tomcatek: what the hell, i'm not op! |
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| 22:01.07 | tomcatek | PaulFertser: maybye You are not identified? |
| 22:01.20 | tomcatek | PaulFertser: via nickserv? |
| 22:01.50 | PaulFertser | tomcatek: i'm op at #openmoko-cdevel but not here. |
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| 22:02.00 | PaulFertser | mickeyl|flu: ping, do you have ops here? |
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| 22:03.04 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
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| 22:04.33 | PaulFertser | only mickeyl|flu can help here :) |
| 22:04.54 | tomcatek | unfortunately |
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| 22:05.36 | gena2x | we can hack his provider and terminate connection |
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| 22:06.06 | PaulFertser | gena2x: hehe, after watching all those cool videos from CCC indeed we can |
| 22:06.19 | gena2x | PaulFertser: CCC? |
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| 22:07.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: chaos communication congress. All the cool guys are there right atm :) |
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| 22:08.10 | gena2x | PaulFertser: need to take a look... |
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| 22:11.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 22:11.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | que passa? |
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| 22:12.08 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: give me ops here please :) |
| 22:12.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: and kick tjikkun |
| 22:12.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | why? |
| 22:12.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | mompl |
| 22:12.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: just in case something happens that shouldn't and i'm near. |
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| 22:13.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought you got ops |
| 22:13.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: got at -cdevel but not here. |
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| 22:13.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm maybe here it's mickey to ask. Wait a minute. First for the kick |
| 22:14.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: yep, i'll ask him when he's available. |
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| 22:16.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's wrong with tjikkun ? |
| 22:16.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: spamming the channel with constant reconnections |
| 22:16.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: btw, you lack the "f" flag so you can't modify access list here apparently |
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| 22:17.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh. that's why I don't find anything fishy :-D |
| 22:17.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 22:23.05 | gena2x | PaulFertser: hm... (n=tjikkun@cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net) i'm trying to find that CCC videos, and see http://ipv4gate.sixxs.net/ similar url, strange... |
| 22:23.11 | gena2x | PaulFertser: On page with videos link |
| 22:23.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: on site of that CCC |
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| 22:24.49 | gena2x | PaulFertser: nice site for sure. first question in faq is how to hear mono sound from videos in alsa. |
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| 22:27.24 | meoblast001 | DocScrutinizer: O_o |
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| 22:27.27 | meoblast001 | i'm confused |
| 22:28.07 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | meoblast001: why? |
| 22:28.34 | meoblast001 | what did this tjikkun guy do? |
| 22:28.37 | meoblast001 | he joined and quit |
| 22:28.43 | meoblast001 | oh.... he did it about a million times |
| 22:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:37:24 2009). |
| 22:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:34:24 2009). |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:32:23 2009). |
| 22:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:31:23 2009). |
| 22:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:30:24 2009). |
| 22:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen |
| 22:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:28:25 2009). |
| 22:29.15 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, !? |
| 22:29.18 | meoblast001 | ? |
| 22:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | ???????? I can do that as well |
| 22:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | some more: ????? |
| 22:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:30.32 | meoblast001 | how many days does it usually take "the company" to respond to emails? |
| 22:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | "the company" usually doesn't respond to any mail. "THE company" just *reads* everbody else's mail, until you qualify for a visit of "THE company"'s black helicopters ;-D |
| 22:34.56 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 22:34.58 | meoblast001 | ... |
| 22:35.04 | meoblast001 | so i should expect an email by wednesday? |
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| 22:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | meoblast001: honestly, if you talk about OM the inc. then odds are you won't see any answer at all I guess.You know there's not very much staff at OM the inc any more |
| 22:35.49 | meoblast001 | oh :( |
| 22:36.33 | meoblast001 | they should make a new Freerunner model, that would boost profits and they'd be able to compete :D |
| 22:36.35 | gena2x | omg sixxs.org is a ipv6 gate |
| 22:36.46 | gena2x | %) |
| 22:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | meoblast001: this for fun: http://www.google.de/search?q=cia+%22the+company%22 |
| 22:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | and this for business: There will simply *nobody* care about high spirited mail advice like that |
| 22:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | gena2x: yo IPv6. One of the wellknown |
| 22:41.01 | gena2x | I didn't face that somehow. |
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| 22:48.23 | SpeedEvil | A new phone model is going to - doing it on a shoestring - cost you a large slice of a million dollars to get something credible. |
| 22:49.17 | meoblast001 | SpeedEvil: ah |
| 22:50.10 | SpeedEvil | meo: that's design, prototyping, maybe 10K - optimistically - not counting labour costs - and then a run of a thousand which is practically the minimum you need to get costs down to a sane level |
| 22:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: please unban tjikkun periodically. I'm not sure if he knows what happened. But I guess he'll fix his connectivity issues eventually |
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| 22:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | for 1k you don'nt even get up and pick the phone when it comes to sourcing of special parts like SoC or LCD |
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| 22:57.21 | groszek | hmm. I have paroli-serenity on om2009, is there a way to add the 'settings' button on the top hidden panel? I had it on shr, but not here... |
| 22:57.34 | groszek | or which file holds the config for this hidden bar? |
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