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| 07:23.06 | alabd | Hi , Which Os can be installed on NAND memory ? android ? debian ? SHR ? QT ? which one do you advice? |
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| 07:31.49 | alabd | how to SSH into FR ? |
| 07:33.34 | badcloud1 | alabd, all of them can be installed on nand, but android needs sd card for storage+swap (I think) |
| 07:33.42 | badcloud1 | qt also needs sd swap |
| 07:34.10 | badcloud1 | also, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 07:34.35 | badcloud1 | I like QT, but SHR testing is great |
| 07:35.00 | badcloud1 | it really comes down to what you're going to use your phone for |
| 07:35.46 | alabd | badcloud1: would you explain more , which oS is more stable with more app ? |
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| 07:36.27 | badcloud1 | debian is kind of a pain to install |
| 07:36.40 | badcloud1 | but it's got soooooo much software |
| 07:37.10 | badcloud1 | if you're a debian user, I recommend you go for it |
| 07:37.16 | alabd | for a person that use debian/ubuntu on his home pc pain exists ? |
| 07:37.22 | PaulFertser | alabd: yep |
| 07:37.26 | badcloud1 | yes |
| 07:37.30 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'd suggest SHR |
| 07:37.38 | alabd | you mean debian is completer that android ? |
| 07:37.49 | alabd | PaulFertser: why SHR ? |
| 07:37.49 | badcloud1 | in which sense? |
| 07:37.49 | PaulFertser | alabd: i mean android is not *nix at all. |
| 07:37.53 | PaulFertser | You can't compare it. |
| 07:38.02 | badcloud1 | he's right about that |
| 07:38.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: it receives the largest developer attention atm. |
| 07:38.16 | badcloud1 | if you're a debian junky like me, go with QT |
| 07:38.34 | badcloud1 | otherwise, shr is just fine |
| 07:38.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: debian is catching up, mostly due to policies requiring stabilising packages etc. |
| 07:39.00 | badcloud1 | QT is debian based |
| 07:39.16 | PaulFertser | alabd: and yes, qtmoko might be a solution but it's not interesting from a developer pov and it doesn't receive much attention from major devs. |
| 07:39.17 | badcloud1 | they have an FSO based one, but I don't think it's usable yet |
| 07:39.18 | alabd | ok PaulFertser it can be connected to laptop internet |
| 07:39.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: anything can |
| 07:39.50 | badcloud1 | alabd, right. if you're not a dev, you'll be bored with QT |
| 07:39.50 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: debian was using fso from the start, it always worked. |
| 07:40.10 | badcloud1 | PaulFertser, I was unaware about that |
| 07:40.23 | badcloud1 | I just remember seeing that the FSO based image wasn't stable |
| 07:40.25 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: everyone will be bored with QT, especially if one is a dev, imho. |
| 07:40.31 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: debian doesn't provide images. |
| 07:40.45 | badcloud1 | being an end-user, bored is fine |
| 07:40.57 | alabd | PaulFertser: images ? |
| 07:41.09 | badcloud1 | debian based *QT* |
| 07:41.18 | badcloud1 | not debian image |
| 07:41.32 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: come on, stop doing that, it's not QT the slightest! |
| 07:41.50 | badcloud1 | PaulFertser, what are you on about? |
| 07:41.52 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: It's Qtopia aka QtExtended derived fork. |
| 07:42.00 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: not the same thing at all, it's not Qt. |
| 07:42.04 | badcloud1 | sorry, I meant qtmoko |
| 07:42.06 | badcloud1 | my bad |
| 07:42.22 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: and yes, qtmoko is qtopia fork on top of debian. |
| 07:42.23 | badcloud1 | I just woke up |
| 07:42.29 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: hehe, good morning then :) |
| 07:42.33 | alabd | anyway PaulFertser are agree with debian ? |
| 07:42.33 | badcloud1 | mornin |
| 07:42.52 | badcloud1 | :P |
| 07:42.58 | alabd | badcloud1 says debian has more app |
| 07:43.17 | PaulFertser | alabd: i agree debian is painful on FR, i'm considering to finally flash SHR to nand and to use debian in chroot since i'm not participating in an active development lately. |
| 07:44.14 | badcloud1 | alabd, don't forget that most of those apps are meant for desktop |
| 07:44.20 | alabd | see regard to humble use debian /ubuntu on home pc and know enough them , will it be painful , if yes why ? |
| 07:44.48 | badcloud1 | the install script hasn't been working well lately |
| 07:44.53 | PaulFertser | alabd: because debian ships old version of FSO and various telephony apps, just that. |
| 07:45.18 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: install script is not an issue. Debootstrapping is never a big deal. |
| 07:45.27 | badcloud1 | that's nice to know |
| 07:45.58 | alabd | PaulFertser: you mean that cause of it's apps are old it would be painful ? |
| 07:46.02 | PaulFertser | alabd: i mean debian is cool but to get reliable telephony support you either need to go very custom route like lindi-'s or compile a lot from scratch. |
| 07:46.23 | badcloud1 | couldn't he install qtmoko and remove the qtopia x layer? |
| 07:46.31 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: why? |
| 07:46.48 | badcloud1 | PaulFertser, less steps than installing debian from scratch |
| 07:46.56 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: meh :-/ |
| 07:47.22 | alabd | and debian and SHR can be installed without SD card ? |
| 07:47.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: i wouldn't recommend trying debian on NAND |
| 07:47.39 | badcloud1 | ditto |
| 07:47.47 | PaulFertser | alabd: NAND is too limited (space constraints). |
| 07:47.49 | alabd | nand is 256 ? |
| 07:47.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: yes |
| 07:48.12 | alabd | how about that 128 one what is it ? |
| 07:48.51 | alabd | bbl some minutes |
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| 08:00.39 | alabd | ok PaulFertser now how to flash ? |
| 08:01.14 | alabd | here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 08:01.23 | alabd | has adviced a command fisrt |
| 08:01.33 | alabd | but now this os has not terminal |
| 08:01.41 | PaulFertser | alabd: on that page there're precise and full instructions |
| 08:02.10 | PaulFertser | alabd: you do not need to determine current version of gsm firmware, just flash the latest unconditionally. |
| 08:03.32 | alabd | it's boot loader u-boot 1.3.2 moko 12 |
| 08:03.57 | alabd | maye be it's firmware is uptodate PaulFertser ? |
| 08:04.15 | PaulFertser | alabd: u-boot version doesn't matter |
| 08:05.23 | alabd | and before flashing new fm , how to undestanf if phone has been used before or not |
| 08:05.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: i think you can't |
| 08:05.57 | alabd | at buttom of box is written 10.2009 = date code |
| 08:06.14 | alabd | but in phone says dec 2008 |
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| 08:06.59 | alabd | lat night DocScrutinizer gave a script here http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail for battery ... |
| 08:07.20 | alabd | but in this OS there is not place to run script |
| 08:09.37 | alabd | anyway PaulFertser to flash should humble use uSD method ? |
| 08:10.47 | PaulFertser | alabd: to flash gsm firmware you should use usd method, right |
| 08:12.16 | alabd | what is moko 11 ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#moko11 |
| 08:12.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: the latest firmware version |
| 08:12.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | moko TWELFE???? WTF?? |
| 08:13.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: hey Doc :) |
| 08:15.41 | alabd | hi DocScrutinizer51 , any other way except that battery script to know wether fr has been used or not |
| 08:16.08 | alabd | at buttom of box is written 10.2009 = date code , but in phone says dec 2008 |
| 08:16.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | what???? datecode 10/2009??? |
| 08:16.53 | PaulFertser | alabd: the battery script can show only if battery was used or not, not the whole device. |
| 08:17.30 | alabd | PaulFertser: yes that is why DocScrutinizer51 has been asked for another way |
| 08:17.43 | alabd | PaulFertser: what is uSD ? |
| 08:17.50 | alabd | NAND ? |
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| 08:18.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I won't support a mere academic "has it been used?". |
| 08:18.42 | alabd | PaulFertser: it is usb SD external card but |
| 08:20.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | 225702 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: I asked alabd what's his problem. Answer was "need to know it's used or not". That's clearly a 'metaphysical' problem and I really refuse to advice on ways to sort that out |
| 08:22.26 | alabd | PaulFertser: what does DocScrutinizer51 mean ? |
| 08:24.23 | alabd | in this way http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29 do we need an external sd card ? what should be done if it is not available ? |
| 08:28.00 | alabd | a problem occured , while usb cable from fr was connected to PC , after rebooting FR , FR did not boot and that openmoko word is standing on screen |
| 08:30.20 | PaulFertser | alabd: uSD means microSD |
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| 08:30.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: NAND is a type of flash memory, FR is equipped with that internally. |
| 08:31.43 | alabd | have you seen this problem ? a problem occured , while usb cable from fr was connected to PC , after rebooting FR , FR did not boot and that openmoko word is standing on screen |
| 08:32.13 | PaulFertser | alabd: who cares about some unknown version of an unknown distro not booting? |
| 08:33.04 | alabd | ok yes |
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| 08:43.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: |
| 08:43.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | IroN900:~# pnatd |
| 08:44.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | atd091130838545 |
| 08:45.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ERROR |
| 08:45.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O ??!? |
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| 08:57.22 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: hm, try other commands then :) |
| 08:57.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | other cmd work |
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| 09:39.39 | BillK_ | is there any way to trigger a script/command off an incoming call event? - I want to be able to issue a 'killall tangogps' as I almost |
| 09:39.58 | BillK_ | always get a crash when tango is full screen and a call comes in. |
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| 09:42.55 | tomcatek | BillK_: have You tried to kill tangogps using power button? |
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| 09:55.37 | BillK_ | tomcatek: killed the phone ui instead :( |
| 09:56.22 | BillK_ | tomcatek: tango and the phone ui fight for top of the window stack, and you can sometimes get control, but usually you lose the call |
| 09:56.44 | BillK_ | tomcatek: simplest I think is to just kill the tango process ... |
| 09:57.23 | BillK_ | tomcatek: this is with tango in full screen mode, non-full screen is ok. |
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| 10:20.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | BillK_: that clearly is a severy bug. please open a ticket |
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| 10:20.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ry /re / |
| 10:22.53 | raster | burrp |
| 10:22.57 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: docz! |
| 10:24.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: fluituri te salutant |
| 10:24.55 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: pants |
| 10:26.15 | BillK_ | DocScrutinizer51: ok, in an hour or so (tea time here) - shr trac I presume? |
| 10:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | think raster is a competent person for this bug |
| 10:28.06 | raster | me? competent? hahhahahahaahahhahaha |
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| 10:46.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzz. Raster shy? that's new |
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| 12:00.04 | Kagee | Is it possible to flash a image (say SHR), ssh to the system, remove som packages, change som settings and then retrive a new image (for later flashing) from the phone ? |
| 12:01.29 | dns53 | you can use neotool to create an image of your current setup |
| 12:01.49 | dns53 | it can make jffs2 and tar backups |
| 12:03.53 | dns53 | i believe it uses tar cat ssh and a loop back file system to create an image |
| 12:05.33 | Kagee | dns53: thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 12:21.20 | alabd | If Gsm firmware be Moko12 will it require upgarde also ? |
| 12:22.13 | PaulFertser | alabd: it doesn't seem likely moko12 will ever be made. |
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| 12:23.21 | alabd | but system info in this OS shows u-boot 1.3.2 MOKO12 |
| 12:24.01 | mickeyl|flu | u-boot does not show the GSM firmware |
| 12:24.06 | PaulFertser | alabd: uboot and gsm firmware version are completeley unrelated |
| 12:24.07 | mickeyl|flu | moko12 is the u-boot version here |
| 12:24.44 | alabd | no that is system info line that include |
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| 12:25.20 | alabd | no i seems that is u-boot version |
| 12:25.22 | alabd | thanks |
| 12:27.56 | alabd | PaulFertser: so you advice manual way or usd way ? |
| 12:28.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: usd |
| 12:30.40 | alabd | PaulFertser: there is written > Insert a uSD to your computer's reader |
| 12:31.02 | alabd | nand memory should be mounted here as usd right ? |
| 12:31.37 | alabd | what is nand memory nodlink in linux ? |
| 12:31.55 | PaulFertser | alabd: nand memory is inside fr |
| 12:32.06 | alabd | yes |
| 12:32.20 | alabd | should not it be mounted ? |
| 12:32.44 | PaulFertser | alabd: when you do gsm firmware flashing you boot from usd and do not worry about nand. |
| 12:33.29 | BillK_ | DocScrutinizer51/raster: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/829 |
| 12:33.46 | alabd | you have told that nand is kinda usd or not ? PaulFertser ? |
| 12:34.30 | alabd | here fr has not any SD card |
| 12:35.10 | alabd | and should gsm-fw be flashed to Sd card only ? |
| 12:38.08 | PaulFertser | alabd: if you do not have any usd, the only way to flash gsm firmware is the manual method. |
| 12:38.36 | PaulFertser | alabd: probably you should install shr first to find out if gsm firmware needs upgrading or not, i assumed you have usd. |
| 12:39.02 | alabd | so usd = sd card |
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| 12:39.49 | PaulFertser | alabd: sure |
| 12:39.53 | alabd | maybe we can use nand for gsm-fw ? |
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| 12:40.34 | alabd | any physical differnece between nand and usd ? |
| 12:40.46 | alabd | or must it be usd ? |
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| 12:42.42 | Kagee | alabd: a openmoko is delivered w. a small usd card, it should be fittet behind the sim-card in the phone. you can upgrade the gsm-fw simply by booting the phone from usd, or you can boot from nand (where the normal phone oeprating system is stored) and flash the gsm manually |
| 12:43.05 | PaulFertser | alabd: you can use the manual upgrading method without any usd card. |
| 12:47.56 | alabd | Kagee: no it's not in package |
| 12:49.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: I *strongly* suggest you proceed as PaulFertser said. And get a uSD *if* you need GSM FW update. Honestly I think your skills prohibit usage of manual method |
| 12:49.40 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: dont worry |
| 12:50.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: (as PaulFertser ...) that is: install SHR, check for Gsm FW version |
| 12:50.26 | Kagee | alabd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD <<-- you did not get a card like that? (not 8GB, but 512 MB) ? And it is not inserted in your phone (behind the battery and sim-card?) |
| 12:52.02 | alabd | Kagee: no |
| 12:52.51 | Kagee | strange |
| 12:53.15 | Kagee | then i suggest you buy one. |
| 12:54.56 | alabd | Kagee: PaulFertser DocScrutinizer51 to flashing android + debian + SHR + other usful Os's on FR , 4 GIG memory is enough ? |
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| 12:56.22 | PaulFertser | alabd: no idea about android, that's really strange kind of os. |
| 12:56.39 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'd recommend 8gb anyway, price difference is minimal. |
| 12:57.04 | Kagee | android must the flashed to nand, and requires a sd-card to be avalible as well. |
| 12:57.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | android will occupy whole device aiui |
| 12:57.50 | alabd | aiui ? |
| 12:58.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf aiui |
| 12:58.19 | alabd | kagee do you mean android must be flashed to nand only ? |
| 12:59.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | android needs NAND *and* uSD |
| 12:59.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | so it's pretty mutually exclusive with a 'decent' OS |
| 12:59.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | AIUI ;-P |
| 13:00.04 | Kagee | alabd: yes. android can only be flashed to nand, as android wont work if it cant find a (empty?) sd card |
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| 13:02.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: why bother to install a quad-boot system? Honestly, trying just *one* decent OS (I suggest SHR) you make your live much easier for the startup |
| 13:04.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | also *please* ignore Qi bootloader for now. It has obsolutely NO mandatory feature for beginners |
| 13:04.30 | alabd | so kagee as you said annad for android and debian + SHR + others maybe |
| 13:04.41 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: to have debian |
| 13:05.44 | alabd | so kagee as you said NAND for android and debian + SHR + others maybe on 4 gig , is enoughe yeah ? |
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| 13:06.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | sighs and shrugs |
| 13:07.16 | Kagee | Well, yes - a 4 gig card could hold all those. I do not understand you you want to have multiple systems on 1 card. Why not only try one system, and overwrite is you want to try another? You will probalby end on SHR in the end, anyway. |
| 13:08.06 | alabd | no debian can be used with it's desktop apps |
| 13:09.04 | Kagee | yes it can. but it will probably be slow |
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| 13:15.57 | Kagee | I've just flashed |
| 13:18.49 | Kagee | shr-testing is supposed to boot, right? or are there any "stable"-images? |
| 13:19.56 | PaulFertser | Kagee: testing should boot |
| 13:21.48 | Kagee | it appears mine stop at "JFFS2 warning (445) jffs2_do_read_inode_internal" |
| 13:22.03 | Kagee | It stops or it is using a _long_ time to continue |
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| 13:30.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kagee: could actually take a very long while |
| 13:31.18 | Kagee | 10 minutes? |
| 13:32.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kagee: but usually that means something with flashing went wrong on NAND. Or your NAND is actually wearing |
| 13:33.03 | Kagee | hmm, i've tried reflashing once |
| 13:33.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kagee: is that after a fresh flashing of NAND? |
| 13:33.50 | Kagee | yes |
| 13:34.26 | Kagee | twice. It reacts when i insert the usb (g_ether and 500ma charge), but does not continues |
| 13:34.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | have you checked the download for correctness |
| 13:35.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 13:35.42 | Kagee | no. that is probably a good idea. |
| 13:36.02 | Kagee | i'll do that before i flash again |
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| 13:41.51 | alabd | thanks bbl 1-2 hours |
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| 15:01.55 | radekp | hi, anyone knows if freerunner/glamo is capable of doing framebuffer hardware rotation? |
| 15:15.38 | PaulFertser | radekp: larsc should know for sure, raster too :) |
| 15:15.42 | PaulFertser | radekp: and Weiss |
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| 15:17.02 | radekp | PaulFertser: thanks, should i ping them somehow? ;-) |
| 15:17.14 | PaulFertser | radekp: they're already pinged i assume. |
| 15:17.16 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 15:17.24 | radekp | oki :) |
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| 15:17.55 | radekp | btw any1 has luck with 2.6.32 & suspend/resume? |
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| 15:17.58 | PaulFertser | radekp: not yet i'm afraid |
| 15:18.09 | radekp | mine seems to suspend but never resumed |
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| 15:19.00 | PaulFertser | radekp: i assumed larsc was on it since he has both skills and debug board. Probably lacking time though since i do not think i've heard any success reports from him :( |
| 15:19.26 | radekp | oki |
| 15:20.12 | radekp | oterwise 2.6.32 looks nice - i am now porting zx-spectrum emulator and while it's a bit slow on 2.6.29 on 2.6.32 it runs flawlessly |
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| 15:25.56 | PaulFertser | radekp: is there any work ongoing on telephony front in the qtopia world? |
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| 15:27.16 | radekp | PaulFertser: not much, for me everything it works good i think the last telephony bug (SMS issue) is now fixed |
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| 15:28.22 | radekp | so for me telephony is now OK and i am going to play with other stuff |
| 15:28.43 | radekp | i need some good games now :) |
| 15:28.58 | soltys | :) |
| 15:29.20 | radekp | dreams of playing Starcraft on freerunner |
| 15:29.57 | soltys | radekp: that would be hard ;) |
| 15:30.01 | PaulFertser | radekp: i see. It basically proves my point that qtopia is not (and never was) anything interesting for those who want to do "advanced" tricks like scheduling custom sms messages, doing tricky rules for ringing/answering/declining calls etc etc. |
| 15:30.34 | PaulFertser | radekp: neither is it an interesting API for those who want to do alternative telephony stuff or doing GSM-voip integration and the like. |
| 15:31.25 | radekp | yes, it's quite hardcoded to be a normal phone from my POV |
| 15:32.56 | PaulFertser | radekp: one of the reasons for buying a FR for me was the fact i couldn't find any cellphone (no matter dumb or smart) that had a fast and effective UI, every "normal" phone sucked so much (trying to look fancy or to flatten the learning curve or whatever)... |
| 15:32.57 | radekp | but i am not very skilled in this area... |
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| 15:34.37 | PaulFertser | radekp: funny thing is that i'm using my FR for over a year as the only cellphone now and i do not have neither reliability nor fast or comfortable UI. Well, life's strange. |
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| 15:39.32 | radekp | PaulFertser: you can still have hope that once it will be fast and reliable ;-) |
| 15:40.29 | PaulFertser | radekp: also i probably can hope for the peace in the whole world and other nice things, well, probably i should |
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| 16:13.07 | alabd | to install SHR should qi be installed ? |
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| 16:58.49 | alabd | which one of tasting and unstable do you advice for SHR ? |
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| 17:00.03 | tomcatek | alabd: I |
| 17:00.18 | tomcatek | alabd: I'm using unstable. works dor me |
| 17:00.26 | tomcatek | s\dor\for |
| 17:00.49 | alabd | yes both works which one is free |
| 17:01.08 | tomcatek | both are free |
| 17:05.15 | alabd | sorry which one is better more stable ? |
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| 17:05.53 | alabd | do their software have big difference ? |
| 17:06.47 | tomcatek | You can try both |
| 17:18.05 | alabd | tomcatek: to install SHR are these files enoghe to be download ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091204-om-gta02-testlab/ |
| 17:18.36 | tomcatek | alabd: /topic |
| 17:19.01 | alabd | what do you mean |
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| 17:20.12 | tomcatek | read the topic. all needed info is in there. and on SHR wiki |
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| 17:26.59 | alabd | tomcatek: in wiki is written :For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:28.50 | tomcatek | alabd: You need Uimage*.bin and full*.jffs |
| 17:28.55 | tomcatek | 2 |
| 17:29.02 | tomcatek | the latest files |
| 17:29.06 | tomcatek | probably |
| 17:30.01 | alabd | and NAND memory is enough for full images? |
| 17:30.18 | tomcatek | yes |
| 17:31.21 | tomcatek | installed applications are the only diference between full and lite images |
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| 17:32.37 | alabd | what are those images exactly for ? |
| 17:33.28 | tomcatek | uboot is uboot, and jffs2 is filesystem |
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| 17:34.22 | alabd | see ind desktop linuxs there are many packages in a repository , how about there ? |
| 17:34.27 | alabd | where are packages? |
| 17:34.56 | tomcatek | opkg |
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| 17:35.58 | alabd | opkg ? where is it ? |
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| 17:37.04 | alabd | for example latest full images are these DIR and files yes ? http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 |
| 17:37.21 | tomcatek | sorry, but rtfm |
| 17:38.21 | tomcatek | all is written on the wiki |
| 17:38.29 | alabd | humble told you in wiki is written |
| 17:38.33 | alabd | tomcatek: in wiki is written :For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:38.54 | alabd | there for latest full images we see http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 these |
| 17:39.09 | alabd | all are required to be downloaded ?all images ? |
| 17:40.56 | alabd | here are 6 files and 1 dir http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 , should all contents be downloaded ? |
| 17:42.03 | alabd | any opinion ? |
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| 18:08.18 | alabd | does these 2 file do the same work or both are needed to installing shr ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091204-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 18:17.29 | dvermd | I would like to cheate a dvorak layout for fren |
| 18:17.52 | dvermd | french keyboard on shr, any link to tell how to package it |
| 18:18.31 | dvermd | I found the procedure to create it but nothing about packaging |
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| 18:31.35 | tim_abell | quick question, can i easily host an opkg repository on a simple web host? |
| 18:31.47 | tim_abell | and is there a guide somewhere to doing it? |
| 18:31.53 | tim_abell | i have an ipkg to publish |
| 18:31.57 | tim_abell | ipx |
| 18:32.02 | tim_abell | ipk sorry |
| 18:32.25 | tim_abell | oh and merry xmas, and thanks for the shr-testing that i just upgraded to :-D |
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| 18:51.29 | tim_abell | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed perhaps |
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| 19:14.56 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: thttpd is ok to serve a repo. And you need to generate Packages.gz or index or something like that to make .ipk collection a real repo. Just that. |
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| 19:52.06 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 19:52.26 | meoblast001 | is the Freerunner accelerometer stuff in a library.. i don't have a freerunner, but i'm interested in it |
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| 19:52.34 | meoblast001 | i'm considering porting something |
| 19:52.43 | LuciusMare | wow |
| 19:52.49 | meoblast001 | ? |
| 19:52.56 | meoblast001 | LuciusMare: what's making you wow? |
| 19:53.44 | LuciusMare | such a big channel |
| 19:55.02 | meoblast001 | more than #gnu |
| 19:55.14 | meoblast001 | not as much as #ubuntu |
| 19:55.37 | LuciusMare | heh |
| 19:55.41 | LuciusMare | #ubuntu is the biggest chan |
| 19:55.44 | meoblast001 | yup |
| 19:55.48 | meoblast001 | going into the thousands |
| 19:55.54 | meoblast001 | mostly just people asking how to burn an ISO |
| 19:55.57 | meoblast001 | >.< |
| 19:56.01 | LuciusMare | heh |
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| 19:56.40 | LuciusMare | i go there and ask my general linux questions,same as i use ubuntu forum |
| 19:56.49 | meoblast001 | same |
| 19:56.54 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 19:57.41 | meoblast001 | i go to #gnu to ask my GNU questions (or just talk about free software), go to #kernel to ask about Linux, and then #ubuntu to ask about things that are sort of GNU/Linux, but are Ubuntu-specific |
| 19:57.52 | meoblast001 | or are not actual GNU or Linux packages |
| 19:58.10 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: g-meter stuff are regular input events interfaces. |
| 19:58.33 | meoblast001 | has Neverball already been ported to Freerunner? |
| 19:58.52 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: there's mokomaze, google for it. |
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| 19:59.47 | meoblast001 | i was considering porting Neverball so i can get pissed off on the go |
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| 20:11.56 | alabd | In wiki has been said : |
| 20:11.57 | alabd | For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the: * testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 20:13.24 | alabd | but in above page there 6 files and 1 folder for latest full image , these > http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 should all be downloaded ? |
| 20:13.37 | Serdar | hi |
| 20:13.53 | alabd | hi Serdar |
| 20:14.30 | Serdar | I am trying to connect to my moko with my macbook but I fail. adb does not find any devices. |
| 20:14.53 | Serdar | hi al |
| 20:14.57 | Serdar | abd |
| 20:15.05 | Serdar | alabd I mean. |
| 20:15.39 | alabd | humble am beginner with FR |
| 20:16.01 | Serdar | I see |
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| 20:22.07 | alabd | any opinion about which of those files should be downloaded ? |
| 20:22.24 | alabd | mjr you here ? |
| 20:22.46 | alabd | SpeedEvil: dont you know? |
| 20:23.00 | alabd | maybe PaulFertser is sleep |
| 20:23.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'm not, sorry |
| 20:23.20 | PaulFertser | alabd: thought you've figured that out already. |
| 20:23.28 | alabd | nop hi |
| 20:24.11 | PaulFertser | alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:24.17 | SpeedEvil | alabd: sorry -= no cluie |
| 20:24.19 | PaulFertser | alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin |
| 20:25.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: and the latest bootloader, either Qi or u-boot. No good idea where to grab the latest u-boot, Qi can be downloaded from http://downloads.openmoko.org experimental |
| 20:25.26 | alabd | how about http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 ? |
| 20:26.40 | alabd | and you advice full or lite packages ? |
| 20:27.15 | alabd | here iinternet is limited e.g 1 gig in month .. |
| 20:27.43 | alabd | so if full is not required lite package would be download |
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| 20:31.24 | alabd | how about http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 ? what is it's difference with jffs2 file you mentioned ? PaulFertser |
| 20:31.54 | alabd | and how about these 3 : |
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| 20:31.55 | alabd | [ ]shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi18-Dec-2009 13:48 105M [ ]shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.ubifs18-Dec-2009 13:48 103M [ ]shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.ubifs.img |
| 20:33.57 | PaulFertser | alabd: i advice full |
| 20:34.21 | PaulFertser | alabd: full-om-gta02.jffs2 is a symlink i guess |
| 20:34.41 | PaulFertser | alabd: ubifs doesn't work. |
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| 20:35.14 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.11 | tim_abell | thanks for the response PaulFertser |
| 20:36.20 | tim_abell | http://www.timwise.co.uk/opkg/podpooch/ |
| 20:36.31 | tim_abell | ^ my first attempt at an opkg feed |
| 20:36.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: you do not want ubifs |
| 20:36.59 | alabd | and which one do you advice testing ? unstable ? is this shr ?http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 20:37.20 | alabd | humble thanks him always |
| 20:37.21 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i can't really evaluate it, i lack opkg-based system here, you can simply add it to your repo list. |
| 20:37.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: SHR testing. The latest link is wrong for sure, it's for OM2009. |
| 20:37.50 | tim_abell | i just tried it :) |
| 20:37.55 | tim_abell | seems to work |
| 20:38.07 | tim_abell | though i hope the enlightenment crash wasn't my fault :-S |
| 20:38.44 | alabd | so PaulFertser humble copy all links that is require for shr installing if there is lack tell please thanks |
| 20:38.58 | alabd | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:39.05 | alabd | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin |
| 20:39.21 | tim_abell | oh dear i think it was! back to the drawing board |
| 20:39.23 | alabd | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/modules-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.tgz |
| 20:40.16 | PaulFertser | alabd: you do not need modules |
| 20:40.26 | PaulFertser | alabd: they're included in rootfs already |
| 20:40.35 | alabd | why dont you advice this kernel ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 20:41.26 | alabd | and this http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr3b8513d8b3d9615ebda605de4bda18371aa3f359.udfu for Qi ? |
| 20:41.26 | PaulFertser | alabd: i think it's a symlink. |
| 20:41.43 | PaulFertser | alabd: for Qi i would choose the one from experimental |
| 20:41.57 | alabd | it does not matter ? |
| 20:42.29 | alabd | and have you advice testing SHR or unstable ? |
| 20:43.48 | alabd | and that's all |
| 20:44.21 | alabd | thanks a lot PaulFertser |
| 20:45.04 | PaulFertser | alabd: i advice SHR testing |
| 20:45.25 | alabd | thanks |
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| 21:02.18 | tim_abell | oh deary me, my fresh flash of shr-t didn't last long before i fubar'd it |
| 21:03.21 | tim_abell | the symptoms are that the message/dialer/etc buttons and the slidey bit at the top have all gone missing |
| 21:03.33 | tim_abell | even after a reboot :-/ |
| 21:03.52 | tim_abell | anyone know what i might have done wrong? |
| 21:03.56 | tim_abell | or how to fix it? |
| 21:04.10 | tim_abell | it happened after i installed my home brew package |
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| 21:09.08 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: probably remove ~/.e? |
| 21:09.35 | tim_abell | i'll try that, ta |
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| 21:25.20 | tim_abell | PaulFertser, you sir, are a genius |
| 21:25.33 | tim_abell | thank you very much :-) |
| 21:25.43 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: welcome |
| 21:26.11 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: and no, i'm not, not sure if it's for good or for bad. |
| 21:27.05 | tim_abell | lol, we'll see |
| 21:27.15 | tim_abell | i think it didn't like the space in my application name |
| 21:27.22 | tim_abell | i'd called it "Pod Pooch" |
| 21:28.12 | der-lehmann | Pod Pooch? whats this? |
| 21:28.25 | Psi | is there a new shr gta01 image out yet? |
| 21:28.51 | tim_abell | heh, i renamed my altered version of mokopod |
| 21:29.04 | tim_abell | it was getting to forked to be called mokopod |
| 21:29.20 | tim_abell | /home/tim/local/tmp/surrender.m3u |
| 21:29.22 | tim_abell | oops |
| 21:29.24 | tim_abell | http://github.com/timabell/mokopod |
| 21:29.29 | tim_abell | silly clipboard |
| 21:29.45 | tim_abell | (that's chemical brothers if you were wondering) |
| 21:32.03 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: fyi in case you do not know, the preferred method to get your software to users is to ask SHR devs to add it to the feeds. Less problems for everybody most of the time. |
| 21:32.18 | tim_abell | it's mostly for my own benefit :) |
| 21:32.22 | tim_abell | others are welcome to it |
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| 21:32.33 | tim_abell | the feed stuff is mostly because i like a challenge |
| 21:32.52 | tim_abell | and i'm starting to get my head round packaging these days so quite enjoy it |
| 21:34.36 | tim_abell | but since you mention it, would any shr devs lurking here like to add the newly renamed podpooch to the feeds? |
| 21:34.47 | tim_abell | :) |
| 21:35.04 | tim_abell | perhaps i ought to take some screenshots and sort out a wiki page |
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| 21:42.46 | tim_abell | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e7fdcb077f17534c33eea58d2b8df6ed.png |
| 21:42.51 | tim_abell | screenshot :-) |
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| 22:01.29 | tim_abell | wiki page & screenshot. tada! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PodPooch |
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| 22:25.52 | tim_abell | PaulFertser: i've mailed the shr-dev list. ta |
| 22:27.42 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: :) |
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