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| 00:47.23 | Kagee | I'm planning to use a gta2 as a simple continous gps logger. (no gui, only continous logging to disk). |
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| 00:48.15 | Kagee | I was planning to use a fso image w/o gui as i used before, but it looks like mielstone5.5 only comes as a zhone-image? |
| 00:48.23 | Kagee | What is my best choice now? |
| 00:49.02 | max_posedon | shr-unstable and removing many packages |
| 00:49.19 | max_posedon | but I'm not sure, that you should delete smth |
| 00:49.27 | max_posedon | you can just ignore gui |
| 00:50.41 | Kagee | i need a long battery time, so woudn't running w/o a gui be good? |
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| 01:25.42 | tarelerulz | What is the state of Open Moko ? can you do phone calls easy ,gps stuff with say google maps and play movies and music ? |
| 01:33.15 | max_posedon | good, yes, yes/no, no, yes |
| 01:33.39 | max_posedon | google maps can't be show on any software except browser according to license |
| 01:33.51 | max_posedon | but opensteetmaps works well |
| 01:34.02 | max_posedon | movies - no, music - yes |
| 01:34.41 | tarelerulz | Really no movies , that is crazy . As long as it was the right specs I thought it would work . What the device would run |
| 01:35.05 | max_posedon | I think glamo specs is problem |
| 01:35.26 | max_posedon | ok, you can see movies, but only in 320x240 for now) |
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| 01:36.45 | tarelerulz | That is the hardware your running it on . What web browser can it run ? |
| 01:37.08 | max_posedon | armv4tl@400Mhz |
| 01:37.16 | max_posedon | I'm running midori |
| 01:37.22 | max_posedon | (128Mb RAM) |
| 01:38.19 | tarelerulz | What is midori? |
| 01:38.45 | max_posedon | webkit based web browser |
| 01:39.07 | tarelerulz | On openmoko or you pc ? |
| 01:39.59 | max_posedon | openmoko |
| 01:41.49 | max_posedon | tarelerulz, I think we can continue there |
| 01:41.54 | max_posedon | openmoko can run android |
| 01:42.16 | tarelerulz | What is the os called for the devices ? |
| 01:43.14 | max_posedon | we have different options |
| 01:43.31 | max_posedon | android, gentoo, debian, shr, hackable:1, freebsd, and many others |
| 01:44.42 | tarelerulz | What is running on it on the pictures on the site ? |
| 01:45.32 | max_posedon | I think you can find much on wiki.openmoko.org |
| 01:47.00 | tarelerulz | I been trying to keep up on the state of Linux smart phones . The last I saw the open moko was not in state I would use it as phone . Android and Even Maemo seem to be going pretty nice |
| 01:47.51 | max_posedon | its true |
| 01:48.12 | max_posedon | openmoko projects have little bit different goals |
| 01:48.24 | max_posedon | 1. be greatest phone dev platform |
| 01:48.45 | max_posedon | 2. be a classic linux |
| 01:49.59 | tarelerulz | Like I said , I just wanted to get an idea of its state . |
| 01:50.52 | SpeedEvil | OM is essentially interesting if you need a portable phone platform |
| 01:50.57 | SpeedEvil | that is - shr and variants |
| 01:51.07 | SpeedEvil | which may be interesting to port to your new phone. |
| 01:51.09 | SpeedEvil | however. |
| 01:51.24 | SpeedEvil | The FR hardware is getting rather aged, in many ways. |
| 01:52.06 | SpeedEvil | Maemo is essentially release quality phone software. |
| 01:52.19 | SpeedEvil | It has issues, but not really many of them. |
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| 05:20.19 | Chckdsk | Hey everybody, merry christmas |
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| 06:55.02 | tarelerulz | I am sure you all have been keeping up on the state of Linux smart phones. What do you all think |
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| 09:38.22 | Zeti | hi folks |
| 09:38.46 | Zeti | I've been using SHR for a few weeks now and choose the version from august as you recommended back then |
| 09:39.07 | Zeti | I feel it's still a bit too unstable for my taste, is there a more stable solution available now? |
| 09:39.33 | Zeti | it doesn't have to be shr, so feel free to suggest other distros/OS as well |
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| 09:40.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hey :) knowing you like decent tools what can you suggest for collaborating on planning common tasks and appointments with my coworker? |
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| 09:41.30 | ndnihil | got a Linux-running arm9 toy for xmas :) |
| 09:43.03 | samgee | Zeti, shr-testing (see topic) is pretty damn nice |
| 09:43.17 | samgee | the only thing I had to do was turn the mic volume down a bit |
| 09:43.43 | Zeti | samgee, simply the newest version? |
| 09:43.49 | samgee | btw, to everyone who helped make shr-testing happen: thank you and congratulations! |
| 09:44.06 | Zeti | I'm just looking at http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 09:44.58 | samgee | Zeti, I installed it a few weeks ago, I don't know if anything's changed since then |
| 09:45.06 | samgee | but I guess newest version will be alright |
| 09:45.18 | Zeti | kk |
| 09:45.47 | Zeti | does the battery last longer now? |
| 09:45.50 | lindi- | PaulFertser: can't really suggest much |
| 09:46.20 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm desperate, he wants me to use some ajax shit or bloated sunbird and friends :/ |
| 09:46.28 | samgee | Zeti, I plug mine in every night, so I haven't really tested that |
| 09:46.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i envision there should be something like simple and clean bidirectional sync for emacs org-mode through git. |
| 09:47.12 | Zeti | PaulFertser, you're looking for a collaboration platform or a PIM? |
| 09:47.14 | samgee | Zeti, it's at least 36 hours because I forgot to plug it in one night and still ran fine until I remembered |
| 09:47.20 | PaulFertser | That way would follow proper unix philosophy and allow for easy integration with whatever one wants (e.g. e-mail notifications). |
| 09:47.39 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i'm looking for some "calendar syncronizing" solution that "doesn't suck". |
| 09:48.08 | Zeti | hmm |
| 09:48.26 | Zeti | i'm currently using google calendar |
| 09:48.39 | PaulFertser | And by doesn't suck i mean it should not suck, should be clean and simple, should follow unix philosophy, i.e. faciliate easy integration with other traditional tools. |
| 09:48.41 | Zeti | but threw an eye on zimbra or open xchange |
| 09:49.01 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i sincerely hope google search and google e-mail are the first and last google "services" i use. |
| 09:49.07 | Zeti | sounds like you want a client solution? |
| 09:49.17 | PaulFertser | Zeti: using zimbra in emacs-w3m? Sounds like "fun". |
| 09:49.39 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i think i want something like DVCS for calendars. |
| 09:49.42 | Zeti | i don't use emacs, but I imagine a console browser, so no fun |
| 09:49.59 | PaulFertser | Of course i need my calendar to be usable in gnu screen. |
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| 09:50.27 | Zeti | I've never heart of a calendar based on vc |
| 09:50.54 | PaulFertser | Am i fucking nuts or what? |
| 09:50.58 | Zeti | you couldn't make multiple people having to agree to a certain commit |
| 09:51.09 | Zeti | ie change of plans |
| 09:53.09 | PaulFertser | Zeti: you can have it as "i commit my agreement to change plans" "he commit his agreement" etc. If everyone agrees, the client will show everyone involved agreed or not. |
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| 09:54.23 | PaulFertser | I just do not understand why the hell i want something that doesn't seem to exist. Does it mean i do not understand usability and in fact i'm mad ineffective being poisoned by "misleading unix philosophy"? |
| 09:54.42 | Zeti | linux philosophy is fine |
| 09:55.13 | Zeti | but I don't understand your solution to my problem |
| 09:55.29 | Zeti | you would have to do additional commits for every rescheduling |
| 09:55.58 | Zeti | imagine 200 ppl rescheduling a xmas dinner next year |
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| 09:57.05 | DieMumiee | i most linux users either do not care about the day of week, or dates... or are already forced to work with an exchange server all day |
| 09:57.08 | DieMumiee | +guess |
| 09:58.26 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i can't see what's wrong with 200 commits. |
| 09:58.58 | Zeti | well before all of them agree to a certain date and time the first guy already wants to reschedule again |
| 09:59.23 | PaulFertser | Zeti: so how tasks like that can be done in general? Is it possible to solve in a sane way at all? |
| 09:59.41 | Zeti | I don't know any "simple" solution for this problem |
| 10:01.00 | Zeti | both lotus notes as well as outlook suck :-) |
| 10:01.12 | Zeti | I don't know any other large scale collaboration platform |
| 10:01.23 | Zeti | besides web based applications |
| 10:01.34 | azaghal | How about combining several smaller apps? |
| 10:01.34 | Zeti | the latter makes some nice primnitive interfaces at least |
| 10:01.40 | azaghal | Maybe Kontact? |
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| 10:18.35 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: :( |
| 10:19.54 | nielsle_ | It would be cool to have a calender app, that could do something like doodle. http://doodle.com |
| 10:20.03 | nielsle_ | Using an open protocol and stuff |
| 10:20.43 | nielsle_ | But apart from that I don't have much to add. We use webcal at work, and people complain about it :) |
| 10:21.14 | PaulFertser | nielsle_: thanks |
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| 10:22.08 | Zeti | what may be the problem if dfu-util is not listing my fr2 but i see it in lsusb |
| 10:23.13 | PaulFertser | Zeti: probably it'll work if you specify path? |
| 10:23.27 | PaulFertser | Zeti: or make your fr1 leave DFU mode |
| 10:23.45 | Zeti | erm |
| 10:24.19 | PaulFertser | Zeti: and yes, ensure your fr2 is in DFU mode. |
| 10:25.54 | azaghal_ | I missed everything after I said "Kontact" :) |
| 10:27.42 | Zeti | <PaulFertser> azaghal_: :( |
| 10:27.49 | azaghal_ | Ah ;) |
| 10:27.49 | Zeti | <nielsle_> It would be cool to have a calender app, that could do something like doodle. http://doodle.com |
| 10:27.49 | Zeti | <nielsle_> Using an open protocol and stuff |
| 10:27.49 | Zeti | <nielsle_> But apart from that I don't have much to add. We use webcal at work, and people complain about it :) |
| 10:27.49 | Zeti | <PaulFertser> nielsle_: thanks |
| 10:27.55 | azaghal_ | Yep, saw that. |
| 10:27.56 | Zeti | well |
| 10:28.03 | azaghal_ | brb |
| 10:28.31 | Zeti | my fr2 is in nor menu and connected to the pc |
| 10:28.34 | Zeti | still nothing |
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| 10:29.42 | PaulFertser | Zeti: have you tried specifying VID/PID? |
| 10:30.37 | Zeti | these usbids? |
| 10:30.40 | Zeti | yes |
| 10:30.57 | Zeti | no dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 10:30.57 | Zeti | dfu-util - (C) 2007-2008 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 10:30.57 | Zeti | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 10:30.57 | Zeti | No DFU capable USB device found |
| 10:31.30 | PaulFertser | Zeti: tried with root permissions? |
| 10:31.42 | Zeti | I'm root |
| 10:31.54 | Zeti | used su if that makes a difference |
| 10:32.28 | Zeti | dfu-util only lists m bluetooth device btw |
| 10:32.36 | PaulFertser | Zeti: strange. For me nor u-boot worked without problems all the time. There's 30 sec timeout but if i'm fast enough, it worked. |
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| 10:33.36 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i'd try stracing just in case. |
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| 12:56.26 | Zeti2 | does somebody know how to get my pppoe internet to my fr2? |
| 12:56.53 | Zeti2 | neither the wiki nor the set of iptables rules a friend of mine came up for my router at home are working |
| 12:59.58 | Zeti2 | i can ping my notebooks internet ip |
| 13:00.06 | Zeti2 | but now the laptops nameserver ip |
| 13:00.32 | PaulFertser | Zeti2: did you solve dfu problems? |
| 13:01.26 | PaulFertser | Zeti2: (get the internet) well, it all depends on your network. You can either bridge interfaces (if applicable) or do MASQUARADEing/SNAT or use some http proxy etc. It all depends. |
| 13:01.41 | Zeti2 | well |
| 13:01.51 | Zeti2 | it might be good to ping an existing ip |
| 13:01.58 | Zeti2 | head banging onto table |
| 13:02.15 | Zeti2 | but my notebook is using a nameserver not in my resolv.conf |
| 13:02.19 | Zeti2 | that's strange |
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| 13:03.39 | PaulFertser | Zeti2: to get something done you need to decide on what you want first and then on how you plan to do it. |
| 13:04.36 | Zeti2 | well i got it running, but my test case was faulty :-P |
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| 13:16.46 | Zeti2 | samgee, sry but I get enlightenment errors all over the place |
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| 13:31.29 | Zeti2 | i'm missing many settings eg. the icon-theme from the settings menu |
| 13:31.38 | Zeti2 | were they moved somewhere else or similar? |
| 13:34.12 | Zeti2 | ah sry |
| 13:34.14 | Zeti2 | found it |
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| 15:43.11 | tonyg | hi all. i'm leaving the UK and need a good home for my openmoko phase-1 neo1973 |
| 15:43.21 | tonyg | anyone want it? i'll mail it out |
| 15:44.09 | tonyg | free to a good home, iow :) none of my mates have time to work on it :( |
| 15:44.33 | tomcatek | can't You work on it whereever You are going? |
| 15:45.00 | tonyg | i lost motivation... I had serious difficulty building my own kernels and userland |
| 15:45.13 | tonyg | i mean, previously i had a working toolchain |
| 15:45.27 | tonyg | but then left the project for 6 months or so |
| 15:45.33 | tonyg | and when i came back to it everything was busted |
| 15:45.42 | tonyg | it was too much build-system horror for me to deal with |
| 15:46.00 | tonyg | but if anyone is working on gta01 already, then another one might be useful |
| 15:46.21 | tonyg | seriously, just say the word, i'll mail it out with all its accessories |
| 15:46.34 | tonyg | the alternative is i throw it away :( |
| 15:46.35 | tomcatek | can You mail it outside UK? |
| 15:46.41 | tonyg | to europe, probably |
| 15:47.01 | tomcatek | then I would be interested :] |
| 15:47.03 | tonyg | like, surface mail |
| 15:47.04 | tonyg | ok :) |
| 15:47.07 | tonyg | where i europe are you? |
| 15:47.08 | tonyg | *in |
| 15:47.14 | tomcatek | poland |
| 15:47.16 | tonyg | ok |
| 15:47.24 | tonyg | email me at tonygarnockjones@gmail.com |
| 15:47.40 | tomcatek | ok |
| 15:47.46 | tonyg | (btw this is me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TonyGarnockJones) |
| 15:49.11 | tschaka | PaulFertser was searching one, just in case you cannot agree with each other for some reason :P |
| 15:49.38 | TAsn | hehe |
| 15:49.45 | TAsn | Whoever gets it in the end |
| 15:49.55 | TAsn | please make sure you test shr on it :P |
| 15:50.03 | tschaka | :) |
| 15:50.05 | TAsn | (as we don't know if it even works, it probably doesn't atm) |
| 15:50.48 | tomcatek | tonyg: mail sent |
| 15:50.58 | tonyg | sweet |
| 15:51.05 | tomcatek | TAsn: I will test SHR :] |
| 15:51.10 | tonyg | i'm pleased to be able to pass it on to someone who can get some entertainment out of it :) |
| 15:51.22 | TAsn | tomcatek, and give us debug info :P |
| 15:51.42 | TAsn | I can test shr on my gta02 |
| 15:51.46 | TAsn | but I don't have a gta01 :P |
| 15:52.11 | tomcatek | TAsn: I'm using SHR unstable on my FR :] |
| 15:53.22 | TAsn | but on the FR it works |
| 15:53.28 | TAsn | on the gta01 it doesn't. |
| 15:53.55 | TAsn | as long as you test shr on the gta01 you got my vote :P |
| 15:54.20 | tomcatek | I'll try to have it working |
| 15:55.20 | tomcatek | hopefully we'll manage to solve all the problems :] |
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| 17:10.19 | tonyg | tomcatek, I have your address now: I'll mail it to you next week sometime. Thanks for volunteering to take care of it :) |
| 17:11.19 | PaulFertser | tomcatek: congratulations getting a new toy :) |
| 17:11.29 | PaulFertser | tonyg: and thanks for caring about the project :) |
| 17:11.58 | PaulFertser | I've already got gta01, it's sitting here neatly, fully prepared for current consumption measurements. |
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| 17:14.11 | mickey|bDayFlu | are you guys all loaded w/ debug boards? |
| 17:14.28 | mickey|bDayFlu | i still have a couple spare, so if anyone needs one for serious work, drop me a mail |
| 17:14.29 | PaulFertser | mickey|bDayFlu: not me, i use DIY uart-usb converter soldered to the pads. |
| 17:14.41 | mickey|bDayFlu | heh, hacky |
| 17:15.06 | PaulFertser | mickey|bDayFlu: seems you're ill atm, i wish you to recover fully in the best optimized way :) |
| 17:15.17 | mickey|bDayFlu | thanks, ya, feeling lousy |
| 17:17.00 | Chckdsk | hey guys, i have a problem here. Got my fr last week and iam unable to get hackable1 on it. Tried the quick start and installation guide. didnt work for me |
| 17:17.36 | Chckdsk | also i am unable to boot from usb or fat/ext2 on the fr... |
| 17:17.37 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: no h1 experts here but if you describe your problem in a more detailed way somebody'll help most probably. |
| 17:18.35 | SpeedEvil | mickey|bDayFlu: Get well soon! |
| 17:19.00 | mickey|bDayFlu | thanks SpeedEvil |
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| 17:19.44 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: how's your n900? I saw one in a shop recently and i thought "man that's small". |
| 17:20.38 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: are you following the ofono development? Do they already have something working for it? |
| 17:20.58 | PaulFertser | If yes, that would probably help to get a nice target for fso. |
| 17:21.29 | Chckdsk | Alright let start with the fist problem then: If i want to boot from usb on the fr i open the uboot menu go to boot from usb, in about 5 seconds it shows me press (AUX) to return to menu and after 5 seconds it automaticly goes to the uboot menu |
| 17:21.31 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: Very shiny. |
| 17:22.24 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I'm doing too much boring house stuff - installing insulation and ... at the moment to be deeply hacking it. I'm unsure about the state of other OSs on it - Mer isn't really up yet. |
| 17:22.45 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: boot from usb? wtf? |
| 17:23.03 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: But was an excuse to go on a diet, to afford it. (down 12kg so far) |
| 17:23.25 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: wow, that sounds like an accomplishment, indeed. Congratulations! |
| 17:23.49 | SpeedEvil | Aiming for ~-25kg total. |
| 17:23.50 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: (deeply hacking) maemo is a miserable community :| |
| 17:24.09 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I'm unsure. It has deep structural problems. |
| 17:24.12 | Chckdsk | iam sorry, set console to usb lol |
| 17:24.21 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: why do you want to do that? |
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| 17:24.47 | Chckdsk | it was stated in the h:1 install manual |
| 17:25.02 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: do you want to modify u-boot menu or what? |
| 17:25.22 | Chckdsk | so i could change the setting that it wil boot from sd by default |
| 17:27.23 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: i thought u-boot has console over usb without any additional actions, are you sure it's not there? |
| 17:27.59 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: also it's supposed that if you use u-boot you're advanced user with special requirements, therefore you should be able to read u-boot manual and troubleshoot yourself. |
| 17:29.51 | Chckdsk | PaulFertser: I followed this steps http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/DefaultBoot |
| 17:30.19 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: so? |
| 17:32.01 | Chckdsk | the only thing i need to do is change the uboot setting to boot directly fron the sd card, nothing more than that |
| 17:32.26 | Chckdsk | so why do i have too be an advanced user for? |
| 17:32.31 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: why do not you boot manually and change the environment with some userspace tool? |
| 17:32.35 | Chckdsk | only for that? |
| 17:32.41 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: for messing with u-boot. |
| 17:33.29 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: Qi is supposed to be clean, clear and reliable solution that doesn't require any special actions and is easy to troubleshoot. u-boot is a complex bootloader aimed at embedded developers. Feel the difference. |
| 17:35.07 | Chckdsk | I will try to install Qi then |
| 17:35.19 | Chckdsk | thnx for your help :) |
| 17:36.08 | PaulFertser | Chckdsk: if you want to report any Qi bug be my guest |
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| 18:22.39 | jpablo | Hi there, I have two problems with Openmoko... the first is that I Can't connect my openmoko to laptop |
| 18:23.07 | PaulFertser | jpablo: more specifics are needed to even start thinking about your problem |
| 18:23.09 | jpablo | and the second is that the screen of the phone is white... |
| 18:24.09 | jpablo | PaulFertser: I tried with dfu-util --list |
| 18:24.28 | max_posedon | dfu-utils is for time, when uboot loaded |
| 18:24.41 | max_posedon | as for white screen - you need reboot |
| 18:25.09 | jpablo | But I cant to see the options... the screen is white fully |
| 18:26.20 | PaulFertser | jpablo: dfu-util will show you the device when it's in the dfu mode. |
| 18:26.20 | PaulFertser | jpablo: you do not need to see or press anything to have that. |
| 18:26.24 | PaulFertser | jpablo: i suggest using dfu-util with NOR u-boot alway. |
| 18:27.32 | jpablo | Ok, but I Cant to see the options in the boot because the screen of the phone is white |
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| 18:29.14 | jpablo | I tried with reboot but the white screen no disappear |
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| 18:29.40 | PaulFertser | jpablo: do you mean that cold boot to nor u-boot gives you white screen? |
| 18:30.09 | jpablo | yes |
| 18:31.16 | jpablo | I tried start the phone but the screen is white |
| 18:33.12 | PaulFertser | jpablo: to nor u-boot? |
| 18:35.06 | jpablo | no way |
| 18:35.26 | PaulFertser | jpablo: defective unit. |
| 18:36.01 | PaulFertser | jpablo: try reattaching the LCM. |
| 18:36.05 | jpablo | :( |
| 18:37.18 | PaulFertser | jpablo: did this device ever work? |
| 18:38.29 | jpablo | The phone was working yesterday |
| 18:39.07 | jpablo | but, is no possible with commands to know the problem? |
| 18:41.03 | PaulFertser | jpablo: you say it doesn't show anything even when you try to nor u-boot. |
| 18:41.41 | PaulFertser | jpablo: if it otherwise worked (i.e. a PC would recognise it) i'd say loose LCM connector. You say it doesn't work. I've no idea whatsover what it can be. |
| 18:45.50 | jpablo | Can I show you a photo? My English language is no fine |
| 18:51.38 | PaulFertser | jpablo: you can show me a photo. Alas i'm not sure it can change anything :( |
| 18:52.53 | jpablo | I need be sure that the openmoko is dead |
| 18:52.56 | jpablo | :( |
| 18:53.07 | PaulFertser | jpablo: i can't tell you for sure by looking at a photo. |
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| 18:53.44 | PaulFertser | jpablo: you need to make sure you try to boot to NOR (and you should confirm it worked before), you need to make sure PC doesn't see your FR at all etc. |
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| 18:58.43 | jpablo | Ok PaulFertser I'm Looking for the err and I'll come back |
| 18:58.48 | jpablo | thanks |
| 18:59.05 | PaulFertser | jpablo: np |
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| 20:30.02 | alabd | For first time how long should battery be charged ? |
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| 20:31.24 | alabd | and is it better FR be turned off |
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| 20:34.09 | alabd | ? |
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| 20:34.53 | max_posedon | FR not charging when it off |
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| 20:38.36 | alabd | so maybe it is better to be in suspend mode max_posedon |
| 20:38.54 | alabd | and what is default OS in A7 phones ? |
| 20:39.15 | alabd | and how long should it be charged to be full ? |
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| 20:47.52 | alabd | any opinion? |
| 20:48.34 | max_posedon | its can't charge in suspend too |
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| 20:49.33 | alabd | How long should FR battery be charged to be full |
| 20:49.36 | alabd | ? |
| 20:50.15 | max_posedon | until full, few hours I think) |
| 20:50.19 | Weiss | alabd: on the mains charger, it takes about 90 mins. on a USB socket at 500 mA, about 3-4 hours ish |
| 20:50.40 | Weiss | depending a lot on Stuff. PaulFertser/DocScrutinizer will know better for sure |
| 20:51.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 20:51.50 | Weiss | DocScrutinizer51: time taken to charge to full (from empty or near empty I guess) on mains or USB charger |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | fr charges when off |
| 20:52.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least when suspended for sure |
| 20:52.52 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: how to identify OS |
| 20:53.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | rule of thumb 2h with wallwart. 4h with usb |
| 20:53.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: err. depends on OS |
| 20:54.09 | alabd | how to know which os is installed default DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 20:54.24 | alabd | there is an installer indicator |
| 20:54.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually there is a number of files /etc/*version* |
| 20:55.51 | alabd | after loading OS desktop shows 5 icon , setting , contacts , messages , ... |
| 20:56.01 | alabd | how to go to etc |
| 20:57.29 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: and will be charger disconnect automoticaly while batter is full ? |
| 20:58.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: in the way you suggest here. yes it will |
| 20:58.44 | alabd | battery* |
| 20:59.39 | alabd | which way DocScrutinizer51 ? |
| 21:00.11 | Weiss | alabd: it won't over-charge |
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| 21:00.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: the PMU (power management unit) chip takes care of battery charging. It works autonomously |
| 21:01.30 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: Weiss what is OS ? |
| 21:02.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno. you need to tell from bootscreen or theme |
| 21:02.12 | Weiss | alabd: don't know what the FR ships with at the moment, but you should consider flashing SHR - then you know what you have installed (and also that you're up to date) |
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| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | it still ships with OMxx.2008 I guess |
| 21:03.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | (consider) yes exactly |
| 21:03.44 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: after loading OS , desktop apears with 5 icons |
| 21:04.17 | alabd | setting , contacts , sudok , messages , another one . |
| 21:04.29 | alabd | with a black wallpaper |
| 21:04.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | terminal? |
| 21:05.15 | alabd | it is GUI DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:05.25 | alabd | no terminal icon |
| 21:05.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry I have no idea |
| 21:06.24 | alabd | and how to know if FR has been used befor ? |
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| 21:07.31 | Weiss | alabd: did you buy second-hand? |
| 21:07.42 | alabd | no |
| 21:08.11 | lindi- | Weiss: do you know anything about resume reason stuff in kernel? ;) |
| 21:08.27 | alabd | lindi-: no |
| 21:10.23 | lindi- | er? ;) |
| 21:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: you can use my bq27k-detail script to read out how many charge cycles battery has seen |
| 21:11.32 | alabd | where is it ? |
| 21:12.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery |
| 21:12.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | or similar |
| 21:13.58 | Weiss | lindi-: not really.. what about it? |
| 21:14.04 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: is there any way to test cellphone itself |
| 21:16.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: also all FR come with a screen cover packagig (shipping protector foil) |
| 21:18.08 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: that exists but not 100% fresh |
| 21:18.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: what's your problem?? |
| 21:18.41 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: it's required if it has been used before or not |
| 21:19.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | I can't help with religious issues |
| 21:19.21 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: FR has been arrived here tonight from europ into home |
| 21:19.28 | alabd | here |
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| 21:20.14 | PBeck | hi |
| 21:20.30 | lindi- | Weiss: if i turn GSM off, put the phone to suspend and wake it up with power button then /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason contains "* EINT01_GSM" |
| 21:20.49 | Weiss | interesting.. |
| 21:22.40 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: for example how to FR build date |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: aiui resume_reason is a parameter passed from BL to kernel |
| 21:23.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: build date is on dtecode under battery |
| 21:23.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: there are two resume_reason files, which one? |
| 21:23.56 | alabd | neo 1973 bootloader u-boot 1.3.2 moko12 , doc |
| 21:24.07 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: what is OS? |
| 21:24.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: both together give detailed resume reason |
| 21:25.00 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: yes but are both filled completely by boot loader? |
| 21:25.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: I do not know |
| 21:25.27 | alabd | moko12 ? |
| 21:25.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | not sure, lini. probabaly yes |
| 21:26.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | alabd: that's bootloader |
| 21:27.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | as you can read in that line you quoted |
| 21:27.37 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: pcf50633-core.c reads them from some pcf_int[] array which it read from somewhere using i2c_smbus_read_i2c_block_data |
| 21:28.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. so the PMU details are read in kernel. but SoC reason is from BL |
| 21:31.33 | lindi- | drivers/misc/neo1973_pm_resume_reason.c reads them from something that is gstatus4_mapped = ioremap(0x560000BC /* GSTATUS4 */, 0x4); |
| 21:32.09 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: is that some memory location that boot loader is supposed to update? |
| 21:32.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: I told you roundabout as much as I've heard |
| 21:35.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: and as all our OS crap gives a shit on resume reason so far, I'd not be surprised to find issues there - especially with Qi |
| 21:35.46 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: yes qi in this case |
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| 21:37.09 | lindi- | this part of the code seems to be all in assembler |
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| 21:39.40 | Weiss | lindi-: maybe it's put there by the SoC automatically? |
| 21:39.55 | Weiss | into GSTATUS4 I mean |
| 21:40.37 | lindi- | Weiss: but i don't have EINT01_GSM in resume_reason if gsm is running and I resume with power button |
| 21:40.53 | lindi- | Weiss: so it's clearly not always putting it there |
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| 21:46.14 | alabd | DocScrutinizer51: time stamp is dec 2008 |
| 21:46.29 | Weiss | lindi-: or perhaps it's being interpreted differently? (maybe take a look at the number in GSTATUS4 and see if it's really different in the two cases?) |
| 21:47.06 | alabd | and battery indicator shows 1:45 , what is compete time ? |
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| 21:49.09 | lindi- | Weiss: reading the code of Qi I can't even figure out how resume reason could ever be EINT09_PMU :P |
| 21:49.27 | Weiss | alabd: I really recommend just making your own choice of distro then flashing that, and not worrying about the small chance that it's been used before - it's too difficult to tell until you know your way around the system. |
| 21:49.58 | lindi- | ah, that would comver from some EINTPEND thing |
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| 21:50.24 | lindi- | and the first four reasons are read from some SRCPND at 0x4A000000 |
| 21:50.34 | Weiss | alabd: with SHR, the power button LED will turn blue when it's fully charged. I don't know if the older software you have will do that, though |
| 21:50.44 | alabd | weiss what do you mean of you know your way around the system. ? |
| 21:50.48 | lindi- | nothing in Qi writes to SRCPND |
| 21:50.54 | Weiss | alabd: if it's been plugged in for a few hours it's almost certainly fully charged.. |
| 21:51.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: on resume modem usually has a defined state. On power up there may be artifacts on IRQ line. Usually BL should see it's a power up which can't be triggered by anything but PMU. So modem should be filtered |
| 21:51.19 | Weiss | alabd: I mean until you're familiar with SSHing into the phone, what files are kept where, what the different distros look like, and so on |
| 21:52.15 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: to see that Qi needs to know how to see if GSM has power or not? |
| 21:54.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | lindi-: aiui BL knows if that's a resume or a powerup. No need to *know* about gsm |
| 21:54.29 | alabd | Weiss: how long does u'r FR work after fulling battery charge |
| 21:55.58 | Weiss | alabd: mine lasts for 24-36 hours or so on standby, or 3-5 hours or so with the screen on (e.g. using GPS). I haven't really measured though |
| 21:56.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | Weiss: I asked alabd what's his problem. Answer was "need to know it's used or not". That's clearly a 'metaphysical' problem and I really refuse to advice on ways to sort that out |
| 21:58.30 | Weiss | hehe :) |
| 22:01.55 | alabd | thanks anyway |
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| 22:02.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: but this is resume |
| 22:02.50 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: not powerup |
| 22:02.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 22:03.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: resume by power button and GSM is off => resume_reason says "both GSM and button" |
| 22:03.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | so scratch my comments |
| 22:03.23 | lindi- | s3c2440 docs say service routine must clear the |
| 22:03.27 | lindi- | pending condition by writing a 1 to the corresponding bit in the SRCPND register first |
| 22:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | still could be artifact from modem powered down |
| 22:03.49 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: yes |
| 22:04.05 | lindi- | shouldn't it write "0" to clear the condition? ;) |
| 22:04.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 22:06.21 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: I see I should have started by reading boot loader source when I first got my phone :) |
| 22:06.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehehe |
| 22:07.19 | lindi- | anyways, I need to find the code that is supposed to clear those SRCPND bits |
| 22:09.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think when gsm is shutdown, the kernel needs to disable the corresponding IRQ and WakeIRQ bits. |
| 22:09.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | this might not stop a latching of the state of IRQ line to some register |
| 22:10.03 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer51: I need to verify if this bug happens if I don't power GSM up at all |
| 22:10.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | so basically you need to make sure you don't see and report IRQ or wakereasons from subsystems that are powered down |
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